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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 13, 2023 16:01:05 GMT 1
I can’t speak for white board messages but I can say that the players as a whole don’t rate him at all, tactically unaware and some of the training sessions have left them bemused (talking very basic and quite frankly bizarre sessions) he is liked as a bloke unlike Buzz but the pair are viewed internally as equally incapable. VLP have you heard anything about the apparent "shadow" play sessions, where no ball is used at all and instead the players are asked to play the game without a ball, as if shadow play like ? which as i was told bemused the squad and was like "what" . |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 13, 2023 16:02:09 GMT 1
I can’t speak for white board messages but I can say that the players as a whole don’t rate him at all, tactically unaware and some of the training sessions have left them bemused (talking very basic and quite frankly bizarre sessions) he is liked as a bloke unlike Buzz but the pair are viewed internally as equally incapable. Think most fans could have said it would be like that after the first press conference. Does not strike me as having any tactical mindset, to put it politely. |
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Post by iangreaves on Dec 13, 2023 16:03:14 GMT 1
I like to give managers a little bit of time but with Darren Moore I see nothing at all. We have no philosophy No tactics Bizarre line ups Terrible in game substitutions Doesn’t engage with fans Says the same stuff pre and post match press conferences Some of the stuff he writes on the white boards at canalsife are apparently laughable. This information has come 2nd hand not from me. I didn’t go last night and it really pained me because none of my family did either and we have been to games for years through thick and thin. I will be always here supporting the club but until a change is made it will be from my armchair I am so intrigued. Is it a list of who wants bacon and who wants bacon, sausage and egg from the sarnie shop? |
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Post by terrier10 on Dec 13, 2023 16:03:22 GMT 1
Would love to know the true attendance of bums on seats last night as opposed to tickets sold.
That has to speak volumes to the powers that be.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Dec 13, 2023 16:04:46 GMT 1
I can’t speak for white board messages but I can say that the players as a whole don’t rate him at all, tactically unaware and some of the training sessions have left them bemused (talking very basic and quite frankly bizarre sessions) he is liked as a bloke unlike Buzz but the pair are viewed internally as equally incapable. VLP have you heard anything about the apparent "shadow" play sessions, where no ball is used at all and instead the players are asked to play the game without a ball, as if shadow play like ? which as i was told bemused the squad and was like "what" . It’s funny you mention that - a user who I won’t name messaged me last night about this phantom football training. I’ve not heard it myself but it has apparently come from one of the players. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 13, 2023 16:04:49 GMT 1
I can’t speak for white board messages but I can say that the players as a whole don’t rate him at all, tactically unaware and some of the training sessions have left them bemused (talking very basic and quite frankly bizarre sessions) he is liked as a bloke unlike Buzz but the pair are viewed internally as equally incapable. Think most fans could have said it would be like that after the first press conference. Does not strike me as having any tactical mindset, to put it politely. At sheff wed he was known for his "man mangement" skills, not his tactical skills. Which is why although with the biggest wage budget - Plymouth and Ipswich both caught them up then over took them. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 13, 2023 16:09:29 GMT 1
This is my big problem with Hogg and why I don't think he's a good captain / leader. Constantly having a go at players for any mistake anyone makes, but never ever have I seen him put his hand up when he makes a mistake, just puts his head down or bollox someone else as he did for the second goal last night. He should never have let the lad run off him like that. He should have been able to see Helik had drifted over to cover Pearson, so should have been sprinting with their player to track him and cover Helik. Jonathan Hogg has been a great servant for the club, of that there is no doubt. But the fact that he is still the first name on the team sheet highlights why we are where we are. We should have replaced him with better when we were relegated from the Prem and Hogg should have become a squad player, not the first name on the team sheet. Exactly. At his age Hogg under a decent manager with a good squad would have the Dean Whitehead role. Start a few, come off the bench to impact the game. Not play 40-odd full games a season. Been saying this about Hogg for 2 years. |
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Post by Moooooy on Dec 13, 2023 16:14:21 GMT 1
I can’t speak for white board messages but I can say that the players as a whole don’t rate him at all, tactically unaware and some of the training sessions have left them bemused (talking very basic and quite frankly bizarre sessions) he is liked as a bloke unlike Buzz but the pair are viewed internally as equally incapable. VLP have you heard anything about the apparent "shadow" play sessions, where no ball is used at all and instead the players are asked to play the game without a ball, as if shadow play like ? which as i was told bemused the squad and was like "what" . That would explain why we haven’t got a clue what to do with it when we do get the ball. |
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 13, 2023 16:15:53 GMT 1
I can’t speak for white board messages but I can say that the players as a whole don’t rate him at all, tactically unaware and some of the training sessions have left them bemused (talking very basic and quite frankly bizarre sessions) he is liked as a bloke unlike Buzz but the pair are viewed internally as equally incapable. I’ve been told the same, nice bloke but the players don’t rate him at all. |
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Post by Dillinger on Dec 13, 2023 16:23:39 GMT 1
Don't visit or post here that often, but must admit I'm a bit surprised at how strong the anti-Moore sentiment is. This would explain those in the South Stand who are looking for any opportunity to boo (i.e. a backward pass when being pressed to enable possession to be retained).
FWIW, some of my thoughts:
1) The squad is poor, and low on quality. This isn't DM, and I think NW's time and how well he did with essentially the same squad has maybe given a bit of a false impression as to where we should be. Squad wise, us, Rotherham and Massive are by far the weakest. Changing the manager won't change this.
2) I don't mind the style of play. the 3-5-2 becoming 5-3-2 when defending actually suits us quite well, and we certainly look more drilled with it compared to back in October. It is our limited number of attacking options which is hurting us, both in creating chances and composure to finish them - Wiles on Saturday against Bristol City being an example of this.
3) Prior to last night, I would say two of the games against Watford, Southampton, Swansea and Bristol City needed to be wins instead of draws. Those 4 points would put us on 25 pts and in 16th place.
4) But that said, drawing some key games instead of drawing them is the only real issue here IMO, everyone sees it differently but I actually don't think we've been playing that badly (I am away with work this week, so couldn't make the match last night which I'm not including in this).
So for now I'd save your energy with the polls, I don't think DM is going anywhere. Besides, realistically who do you think is coming into replace him, Michael Appleton? Nathan Jones? Would someone like that do any better with this squad?
IMHO I think possibly what is needed is a lowering of expectations - this season will be about survival, and I'd take finishing the league position we are now - look at the squad and tell me different.
RE the boo boys; if you are seeking to make a difficult situation worse, then carry on as you are doing. If you have any care for your club then suggest either staying quiet or staying at home.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 13, 2023 16:24:06 GMT 1
I can’t speak for white board messages but I can say that the players as a whole don’t rate him at all, tactically unaware and some of the training sessions have left them bemused (talking very basic and quite frankly bizarre sessions) he is liked as a bloke unlike Buzz but the pair are viewed internally as equally incapable. I’ve been told the same, nice bloke but the players don’t rate him at all. Why don't the people above listen to the players? as they are the ones doing what the manager wants, if the players don't rate him . Which for me shows by how they are playing , then why should those above rate him, being just a nice guy should never be enough to keep you in a manager/ head coches role at a football club? |
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Post by Uddersfield on Dec 13, 2023 16:24:12 GMT 1
VLP have you heard anything about the apparent "shadow" play sessions, where no ball is used at all and instead the players are asked to play the game without a ball, as if shadow play like ? which as i was told bemused the squad and was like "what" . It’s funny you mention that - a user who I won’t name messaged me last night about this phantom football training. I’ve not heard it myself but it has apparently come from one of the players. I'm just imagining the scene in Mike Bassett when they forget to bring the balls to training and end up playing a full match without them. Striker scores an imaginary overhead kick.. Ours would still miss though  |
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 13, 2023 16:28:31 GMT 1
I’ve been told the same, nice bloke but the players don’t rate him at all. Why don't the people above listen to the players? as they are the ones doing what the manager wants, if the players don't rate him . Which for me shows by how they are playing , then why should those above rate him, being just a nice guy should never be enough to keep you in a manager/ head coches role at a football club? Why doesn’t the people running club listen to its fans? They’ll be the same people who will be complaining when season card renewals come and only 8k renew. |
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Post by rogermellie on Dec 13, 2023 16:28:59 GMT 1
Sack the bugger and get Pete Wild in from Barrow.
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Post by Uddersfield on Dec 13, 2023 16:40:01 GMT 1
Sack the bugger and get Pete Wild in from Barrow. Is doing one hell of a job. Always kept my eye on him since Halifax. |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Dec 13, 2023 17:02:39 GMT 1
Don't visit or post here that often, but must admit I'm a bit surprised at how strong the anti-Moore sentiment is. This would explain those in the South Stand who are looking for any opportunity to boo (i.e. a backward pass when being pressed to enable possession to be retained). FWIW, some of my thoughts: 1) The squad is poor, and low on quality. This isn't DM, and I think NW's time and how well he did with essentially the same squad has maybe given a bit of a false impression as to where we should be. Squad wise, us, Rotherham and Massive are by far the weakest. Changing the manager won't change this. 2) I don't mind the style of play. the 3-5-2 becoming 5-3-2 when defending actually suits us quite well, and we certainly look more drilled with it compared to back in October. It is our limited number of attacking options which is hurting us, both in creating chances and composure to finish them - Wiles on Saturday against Bristol City being an example of this. 3) Prior to last night, I would say two of the games against Watford, Southampton, Swansea and Bristol City needed to be wins instead of draws. Those 4 points would put us on 25 pts and in 16th place. 4) But that said, drawing some key games instead of drawing them is the only real issue here IMO, everyone sees it differently but I actually don't think we've been playing that badly (I am away with work this week, so couldn't make the match last night which I'm not including in this). So for now I'd save your energy with the polls, I don't think DM is going anywhere. Besides, realistically who do you think is coming into replace him, Michael Appleton? Nathan Jones? Would someone like that do any better with this squad? IMHO I think possibly what is needed is a lowering of expectations - this season will be about survival, and I'd take finishing the league position we are now - look at the squad and tell me different. RE the boo boys; if you are seeking to make a difficult situation worse, then carry on as you are doing. If you have any care for your club then suggest either staying quiet or staying at home. The only people left at the end were the ones that wanted to boo. We can't have a totally empty ground |
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Post by King Neil on Dec 13, 2023 17:07:33 GMT 1
No one can replace King Neil
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 13, 2023 17:14:45 GMT 1
I can’t speak for white board messages but I can say that the players as a whole don’t rate him at all, tactically unaware and some of the training sessions have left them bemused (talking very basic and quite frankly bizarre sessions) he is liked as a bloke unlike Buzz but the pair are viewed internally as equally incapable. I’ve been told the same, nice bloke but the players don’t rate him at all. heard similar |
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Post by townrwe on Dec 13, 2023 17:14:55 GMT 1
We need someone whos a character, someone to get behind, even more so becuase the owner is removed from the club.
Wilder would have been my choice, you can see how he has galvanised sheff utd now, Not sure how a TM or Rowett would go down, they could both do the job for the season, but long term probably not.
One things for sure, its not Moore.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Dec 13, 2023 17:18:41 GMT 1
I’ve been told the same, nice bloke but the players don’t rate him at all. heard similar I mean it doesn't surprise me, a lot of the Wednesday players are signing Rohl is the best they've had training wise. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 13, 2023 17:21:25 GMT 1
I’ve been told the same, nice bloke but the players don’t rate him at all. heard similar No reason not to believe you when you say you have “heard that the players don’t rate” whoever happens to be the current manager/head coach. We’ve heard it with all too many before Moore. Maybe the players could have a look at themselves as well? |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 13, 2023 17:40:07 GMT 1
No reason not to believe you when you say you have “heard that the players don’t rate” whoever happens to be the current manager/head coach. We’ve heard it with all too many before Moore. Maybe the players could have a look at themselves as well? You make a good point but, certainly in the 1st half (I'm ignoring the start of the 2nd only because if you don't come out, or are needed to be told to come out, and have a go it's a poor do), the players were following a plan and shape they must have been told to adopt. Within 1 minute, and I make no exaggeration, you could see we were in big trouble. As a player do you go off piste or stick with the plan? I've never been a professional sportsperson so I can't answer that. Either way it's a proper pigs ear at the moment. |
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Post by alex on Dec 13, 2023 18:08:19 GMT 1
i wounder if DM has seen this? Must feel shit if he has...
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Post by townrwe on Dec 13, 2023 18:29:56 GMT 1
i wounder if DM has seen this? Must feel shit if he has... If you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen... Unfortunately, Darren moores feelings aren't the concern of a fan base that has totally rounded on him. Best thing to do now is put him and the club out of their misery. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 13, 2023 18:34:57 GMT 1
i wounder if DM has seen this? Must feel shit if he has... I'd hope that he's feeling shit because of what is happening on the pitch most weeks, and that in comparison the views expressed here would not make a dent. And I suggest that any manager of any professional football club should a) avoid reading fan forum chatter and b) have enough of a thick skin to not give a fuck what Dave in the Dog and Duck thinks |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Dec 13, 2023 18:38:14 GMT 1
To my mind theres only 3 real ways we stay up/improve.
1 a miracle
2 They are planning on investing enough into the squad in January that it improves to the point where it doesn’t matter who is in charge (even Moore). Lets be honest that would be millions and highly highly unlikely.
3 Moore gets the bullet asap and we get somebody in who can make the most of a small January budget and keep us up. Again the only name that comes to mind is Warnock and that won’t be happening.
So in short, lets hope miracles are real.
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Post by leroy212 on Dec 13, 2023 18:51:24 GMT 1
Makes you wonder if Warnock is having a little chuckle, getting removed for Moore and us going completely backwards
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 13, 2023 18:59:18 GMT 1
Interesting reading this and other threads just now.
Social media really does exacerbate negative viewpoints more vociferously and for longer than it does with opposite sensations.
In the good old days this would be a moan with your mates at the game, in the pub or at work, but the fact we’re connected 24/7 nowadays allows these sort of feelings to fester far longer and ultimately be more damaging to supporters mindsets.
If QPR win tonight it’ll drop us into the bottom 3. Over the last 14 games (assuming a QPR win tonight), they’ll have amassed 3 more points than us, scored more and conceded less.
This place will be a whole lot chirpier Sat teatime should we somehow get a win at Millwall, it’ll break through the gloom for a few hours, but when you’re in our predicament, it feels like you’re trying to shed a dead weight, only you can’t shed that quickly enough for many supporters.
I think DM has struggled with who preceded him, and the story behind that bloke. He might not ultimately be the bloke who generates the same levels of excitement that NW did, but that was a unique set of circumstances, and of course it had a happy ending. I think DM is on a hiding to nothing just now, if the stories from the training ground are true then maybe he’s only going to make things worse, but for now we need to avoid looking too far ahead and hope that Sat can be yet another kick-start of green shoots etc.
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Post by willo on Dec 13, 2023 19:24:17 GMT 1
I’m genuinely surprised he hasn’t been relieved of his duties today. How many matches do we have to lose before the plug is pulled? His win record with us is atrocious.
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Post by townrwe on Dec 13, 2023 19:24:17 GMT 1
It doesn't look like the club is going to act today, therefor he probably has 2 games maximum to convince the board... I think a minimum of 4 points from the two away games, which is highly unlikely. After that if they haven't acted we risk going into January in a complete mess, buying players a new manager doesn't want.
The day to act was today.... inaction breeds doubt and fear. Action breeds confidence and courage.
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