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Post by Sio on Dec 13, 2023 17:06:56 GMT 1
Thank you. I will say this too- the Chairman doesn’t care about “fault” or “blame”. We also have a saying; “the buck stops here”, and that’s how he operates. No ego. What’s the issue What’s the problem How do we fix it Next This owner and his gang created the problem and the issues. What on earth was the logic in Moore? The logic was probably reasonably sound: out of work, recent promotion, decent enough record at previous clubs, nice bloke. The problem is, the club appear to have overlooked so much of what he lacks. Was there any evidence that he could manage a poor squad (one of the worst in the division easily)? As another poster mentioned yesterday, give him a top half squad and he'd probably get you finishing around top half. We don't have that privilege. Did they consider what type of character he is, and what type of much-loved character he was replacing? This is one of the biggest issues for me: I feel absolutely no connection to the bloke. He talks in cliches and jargon. He has no personality that translates to the fans. Has he even come up to the stands to applaud the fans after a game yet? I'm genuinely not sure I've seen him in person other than on the touchline. Town fans don't connect with your run of the mill English managers and the past two decades have shown that our fighting spirit tends to come from the fans feeling a connection with the manager (maybe minus the tactically astute Corberan). Lastly, they've either overlooked or been duped on his style of play. Our crowds were almost at breaking point before Warnock - he salvaged them - but all they needed was a nudge and they'd plummet. The football we play has undoubtedly put many people off (myself included), and this will come back to bite the club over the next few years. I just don't think a bigger picture has been considered whatsoever with Moore. You can tell it's an appointment made by people who don't know the club. |
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 13, 2023 17:17:03 GMT 1
This owner and his gang created the problem and the issues. What on earth was the logic in Moore? The logic was probably reasonably sound: out of work, recent promotion, decent enough record at previous clubs, nice bloke. The problem is, the club appear to have overlooked so much of what he lacks. Was there any evidence that he could manage a poor squad (one of the worst in the division easily)? As another poster mentioned yesterday, give him a top half squad and he'd probably get you finishing around top half. We don't have that privilege. Did they consider what type of character he is, and what type of much-loved character he was replacing? This is one of the biggest issues for me: I feel absolutely no connection to the bloke. He talks in cliches and jargon. He has no personality that translates to the fans. Has he even come up to the stands to applaud the fans after a game yet? I'm genuinely not sure I've seen him in person other than on the touchline. Town fans don't connect with your run of the mill English managers and the past two decades have shown that our fighting spirit tends to come from the fans feeling a connection with the manager (maybe minus the tactically astute Corberan). Lastly, they've either overlooked or been duped on his style of play. Our crowds were almost at breaking point before Warnock - he salvaged them - but all they needed was a nudge and they'd plummet. The football we play has undoubtedly put many people off (myself included), and this will come back to bite the club over the next few years. I just don't think a bigger picture has been considered whatsoever with Moore. You can tell it's an appointment made by people who don't know the club. I think at the point they made the decision to let Warnock go (for whatever reason that was) they didn’t really understand quite how good Warnock is at this level. The blokes an absolute magician who knows how to turn water into wine. Let’s face it most of us have watched Town for a long long time and it was still a surprise to many of us that he managed to keep us up. In hindsight we should’ve kept NW (no matter what had gone on) until December minimum to give us enough points to have a fighting chance of survival. Dearly wanted DM to do well but it’s clear that this squad is one of the three worst in the division and it’s going to take some very clever dealing and probably a bit of luck to survive the drop this year. |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 13, 2023 17:17:11 GMT 1
Moore keeps getting abuse for negativity. I’m not sure that’s the case. Last night he started with 2 upfront and wingers as wing backs. On the face of it a very attacking selection.
I’d say it’s just shit, not boring.
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Post by waggers on Dec 13, 2023 17:18:17 GMT 1
This owner and his gang created the problem and the issues. What on earth was the logic in Moore? The logic was probably reasonably sound: out of work, recent promotion, decent enough record at previous clubs, nice bloke. The problem is, the club appear to have overlooked so much of what he lacks. Was there any evidence that he could manage a poor squad (one of the worst in the division easily)? As another poster mentioned yesterday, give him a top half squad and he'd probably get you finishing around top half. We don't have that privilege. Did they consider what type of character he is, and what type of much-loved character he was replacing? This is one of the biggest issues for me: I feel absolutely no connection to the bloke. He talks in cliches and jargon. He has no personality that translates to the fans. Has he even come up to the stands to applaud the fans after a game yet? I'm genuinely not sure I've seen him in person other than on the touchline. Town fans don't connect with your run of the mill English managers and the past two decades have shown that our fighting spirit tends to come from the fans feeling a connection with the manager (maybe minus the tactically astute Corberan). Lastly, they've either overlooked or been duped on his style of play. Our crowds were almost at breaking point before Warnock - he salvaged them - but all they needed was a nudge and they'd plummet. The football we play has undoubtedly put many people off (myself included), and this will come back to bite the club over the next few years. I just don't think a bigger picture has been considered whatsoever with Moore. You can tell it's an appointment made by people who don't know the club. You've mentioned the reasons why I thought then and think now it was a stupid naive appointment. We have a poor squad, which needs a man of ample experience to get a tune out of them. We had that! I know Warnock wasn't for the long term but at least keep him here whilst we spent a season building up the squad. In this time do some real work on finding a suitable successor. Moore had just been promoted from L1 with a huge budget and had a squad far superior to anyone else in the division. Who genuinely thought he would do a job here? I haven't met a Town fan that did. |
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Post by waggers on Dec 13, 2023 17:21:33 GMT 1
The logic was probably reasonably sound: out of work, recent promotion, decent enough record at previous clubs, nice bloke. The problem is, the club appear to have overlooked so much of what he lacks. Was there any evidence that he could manage a poor squad (one of the worst in the division easily)? As another poster mentioned yesterday, give him a top half squad and he'd probably get you finishing around top half. We don't have that privilege. Did they consider what type of character he is, and what type of much-loved character he was replacing? This is one of the biggest issues for me: I feel absolutely no connection to the bloke. He talks in cliches and jargon. He has no personality that translates to the fans. Has he even come up to the stands to applaud the fans after a game yet? I'm genuinely not sure I've seen him in person other than on the touchline. Town fans don't connect with your run of the mill English managers and the past two decades have shown that our fighting spirit tends to come from the fans feeling a connection with the manager (maybe minus the tactically astute Corberan). Lastly, they've either overlooked or been duped on his style of play. Our crowds were almost at breaking point before Warnock - he salvaged them - but all they needed was a nudge and they'd plummet. The football we play has undoubtedly put many people off (myself included), and this will come back to bite the club over the next few years. I just don't think a bigger picture has been considered whatsoever with Moore. You can tell it's an appointment made by people who don't know the club. I think at the point they made the decision to let Warnock go (for whatever reason that was) they didn’t really understand quite how good Warnock is at this level. The blokes an absolute magician who knows how to turn water into wine. Let’s face it most of us have watched Town for a long long time and it was still a surprise to many of us that he managed to keep us up. In hindsight we should’ve kept NW (no matter what had gone on) until December minimum to give us enough points to have a fighting chance of survival. Dearly wanted DM to do well but it’s clear that this squad is one of the three worst in the division and it’s going to take some very clever dealing and probably a bit of luck to survive the drop this year. I r Surely they had people at the club that should have emphasised how good Warnock is at this level? And that until the squad is improved he's needed? Most on here knew that to be the case so why didn't high ranking employees at the club? Listen I can understand Warnock is no saint and will cause issues but sometimes you do what is best for the club. |
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Post by townrwe on Dec 13, 2023 17:25:04 GMT 1
Moore keeps getting abuse for negativity. I’m not sure that’s the case. Last night he started with 2 upfront and wingers as wing backs. On the face of it a very attacking selection. I’d say it’s just shit, not boring. If you have 25% or less possession and your playing 532 out of possession 75% of the timr, then Im affraid its negative, shit and boring. |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 13, 2023 17:34:25 GMT 1
Moore keeps getting abuse for negativity. I’m not sure that’s the case. Last night he started with 2 upfront and wingers as wing backs. On the face of it a very attacking selection. I’d say it’s just shit, not boring. If you have 25% or less possession and your playing 532 out of possession 75% of the timr, then Im affraid its negative, shit and boring. Were Warnock’s possession stats any better? The 3 centre halves are our most consistent players and we don’t have many to choose from. Warnock found a way round it playing Pearson at right back. With zero fit proper full backs i don’t see much of an alternative to 5 at the back. |
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Post by dezzly on Dec 13, 2023 17:36:00 GMT 1
Moore keeps getting abuse for negativity. I’m not sure that’s the case. Last night he started with 2 upfront and wingers as wing backs. On the face of it a very attacking selection. I’d say it’s just shit, not boring. If you have 25% or less possession and your playing 532 out of possession 75% of the timr, then Im affraid its negative, shit and boring. Tbf last two games the possession stats have been upward of 40,close to 50 last night I think. We just don’t use it very well.plus the attacking wing backs did start 5-10 yards higher.that caused a different problem and in both games they did end up dropping in through necessity. I fully expect a revert back to a flat five the two away games coming up though. |
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 13, 2023 17:53:29 GMT 1
I think at the point they made the decision to let Warnock go (for whatever reason that was) they didn’t really understand quite how good Warnock is at this level. The blokes an absolute magician who knows how to turn water into wine. Let’s face it most of us have watched Town for a long long time and it was still a surprise to many of us that he managed to keep us up. In hindsight we should’ve kept NW (no matter what had gone on) until December minimum to give us enough points to have a fighting chance of survival. Dearly wanted DM to do well but it’s clear that this squad is one of the three worst in the division and it’s going to take some very clever dealing and probably a bit of luck to survive the drop this year. I r Surely they had people at the club that should have emphasised how good Warnock is at this level? And that until the squad is improved he's needed? Most on here knew that to be the case so why didn't high ranking employees at the club? Listen I can understand Warnock is no saint and will cause issues but sometimes you do what is best for the club. Yeah agree with that. Problem for them is it doesn’t really make sense how good Warnock is at this level, he’s a complete outlier. There was probably a bit of wanting to prove that someone else could do equally as well, which is hard to disagree on the face of it. Unfortunately for us the reality is there is no one else as good as him at getting performances out of ill equipped teams, he’s proved it again and again. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 13, 2023 17:57:06 GMT 1
The logic was probably reasonably sound: out of work, recent promotion, decent enough record at previous clubs, nice bloke. The problem is, the club appear to have overlooked so much of what he lacks. Was there any evidence that he could manage a poor squad (one of the worst in the division easily)? As another poster mentioned yesterday, give him a top half squad and he'd probably get you finishing around top half. We don't have that privilege. Did they consider what type of character he is, and what type of much-loved character he was replacing? This is one of the biggest issues for me: I feel absolutely no connection to the bloke. He talks in cliches and jargon. He has no personality that translates to the fans. Has he even come up to the stands to applaud the fans after a game yet? I'm genuinely not sure I've seen him in person other than on the touchline. Town fans don't connect with your run of the mill English managers and the past two decades have shown that our fighting spirit tends to come from the fans feeling a connection with the manager (maybe minus the tactically astute Corberan). Lastly, they've either overlooked or been duped on his style of play. Our crowds were almost at breaking point before Warnock - he salvaged them - but all they needed was a nudge and they'd plummet. The football we play has undoubtedly put many people off (myself included), and this will come back to bite the club over the next few years. I just don't think a bigger picture has been considered whatsoever with Moore. You can tell it's an appointment made by people who don't know the club. You've mentioned the reasons why I thought then and think now it was a stupid naive appointment. We have a poor squad, which needs a man of ample experience to get a tune out of them. We had that! I know Warnock wasn't for the long term but at least keep him here whilst we spent a season building up the squad. In this time do some real work on finding a suitable successor. Moore had just been promoted from L1 with a huge budget and had a squad far superior to anyone else in the division. Who genuinely thought he would do a job here? I haven't met a Town fan that did. Did they? They must have lost a lot of great players in the summer then, because their current squad is absolute bobbins. (Their new coach on the other hand...) |
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Post by waggers on Dec 13, 2023 18:06:12 GMT 1
You've mentioned the reasons why I thought then and think now it was a stupid naive appointment. We have a poor squad, which needs a man of ample experience to get a tune out of them. We had that! I know Warnock wasn't for the long term but at least keep him here whilst we spent a season building up the squad. In this time do some real work on finding a suitable successor. Moore had just been promoted from L1 with a huge budget and had a squad far superior to anyone else in the division. Who genuinely thought he would do a job here? I haven't met a Town fan that did. Did they? They must have lost a lot of great players in the summer then, because their current squad is absolute bobbins. (Their new coach on the other hand...) As we know more than most, the coach is key. |
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Post by davethesprout on Dec 13, 2023 18:10:09 GMT 1
Moore keeps getting abuse for negativity. I’m not sure that’s the case. Last night he started with 2 upfront and wingers as wing backs. On the face of it a very attacking selection. I’d say it’s just shit, not boring. Lot of both tbh , sounds like his training sessions are different , or strange at least To say that it`s not boring is strange , boring me to death ! We will soon be back to the loyal 10,000 fan`s , after all the happy clappers have gone ! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 13, 2023 18:12:42 GMT 1
Moore keeps getting abuse for negativity. I’m not sure that’s the case. Last night he started with 2 upfront and wingers as wing backs. On the face of it a very attacking selection. I’d say it’s just shit, not boring. It's both boring and shite in equal measure. Last night we spent most of our time passing it sideways and backwards, now if that isn't boring then I don't know what is. |
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Post by 28901 on Dec 13, 2023 18:15:30 GMT 1
Lets be fair here. justaguy is connected to Nagle and it's fairly obvious who he is from the documentary. His contribution to this board has been very fair, he's tried to correct a couple of things but mostly he is doing what he says, listening to the fans. castlehillterrier has been very pro Nagle and very pro Moore (until last night), but has absolutely no connection to Nagle or the club and just likes to pretend he knows things, as he did when he was posting as HTAFC35. Also, there is no way that everybody at the club isn't aware of the fans opinion of Moore right now. Don't need to read DATM for that. Exactly, I'm sure justaguy is lurking. The other you mention is pretending to be itk and seems to somehow have a lot of people fooled! Not sure whether he really is very pro Nagle or it's all just part of a made up persona. He seems to be part of a plan by 3 posters to spew out pro Hoyle, pro Club, pro establishment propaganda continually in complete contrast to what every normal person can see and think. Trump bot style tactics. I'm quite prepared to believe they are one and the same. |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 13, 2023 18:18:02 GMT 1
Anyone from the inside taking time to contribute or even read this board should be congratulated. Simply taking the time shows they care and are trying to get a feel of the club. They probably wonder what they have walked into but hopefully they realise it’s a place to rant and we’re not all spoilt brats.
Trying to name posters is something i’ve never understood. All you’re doing is limiting what they can say through fear of comeback. It’s just damages this forum.
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Post by mosher on Dec 13, 2023 18:23:07 GMT 1
Anyone from the inside taking time to contribute or even read this board should be congratulated. Simply taking the time shows they care and are trying to get a feel of the club. They probably wonder what they have walked into but hopefully they realise it’s a place to rant and we’re not all spoilt brats. Trying to name posters is something i’ve never understood. All you’re doing is limiting what they can say through fear of comeback. It’s just damages this forum. Exactly, same goes for Maynard and anyone else who provides us with insider info. Although it's fairly common knowledge (accurate guesswork?) who justaguy is, I'm quite disappointed someone linked to his Twatter feed. Especially if it turns out our guesswork is wrong  |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 13, 2023 18:28:41 GMT 1
Anyone from the inside taking time to contribute or even read this board should be congratulated. Simply taking the time shows they care and are trying to get a feel of the club. They probably wonder what they have walked into but hopefully they realise it’s a place to rant and we’re not all spoilt brats. Trying to name posters is something i’ve never understood. All you’re doing is limiting what they can say through fear of comeback. It’s just damages this forum. Exactly, same goes for Maynard and anyone else who provides us with insider info. Although it's fairly common knowledge (accurate guesswork?) who justaguy is, I'm quite disappointed someone linked to his Twatter feed. Especially if it turns out our guesswork is wrong didn't realise it was a secret - thought it was pretty open knowledge. I'll delete it and hopefully waggers deletes their quote of it. i'd never doxx someone maliciously. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 18:40:05 GMT 1
I think at the point they made the decision to let Warnock go (for whatever reason that was) they didn’t really understand quite how good Warnock is at this level. The blokes an absolute magician who knows how to turn water into wine. Let’s face it most of us have watched Town for a long long time and it was still a surprise to many of us that he managed to keep us up. In hindsight we should’ve kept NW (no matter what had gone on) until December minimum to give us enough points to have a fighting chance of survival. Dearly wanted DM to do well but it’s clear that this squad is one of the three worst in the division and it’s going to take some very clever dealing and probably a bit of luck to survive the drop this year. I r Surely they had people at the club that should have emphasised how good Warnock is at this level? And that until the squad is improved he's needed? Most on here knew that to be the case so why didn't high ranking employees at the club? Listen I can understand Warnock is no saint and will cause issues but sometimes you do what is best for the club. Who are the high ranking employees you allude to? |
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Post by waggers on Dec 13, 2023 18:44:01 GMT 1
Exactly, same goes for Maynard and anyone else who provides us with insider info. Although it's fairly common knowledge (accurate guesswork?) who justaguy is, I'm quite disappointed someone linked to his Twatter feed. Especially if it turns out our guesswork is wrong didn't realise it was a secret - thought it was pretty open knowledge. I'll delete it and hopefully waggers deletes their quote of it. i'd never doxx someone maliciously. Deleted. Bit dodgy having a PR mouthpiece knocking around the forum though. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 13, 2023 18:49:00 GMT 1
Exactly, same goes for Maynard and anyone else who provides us with insider info. Although it's fairly common knowledge (accurate guesswork?) who justaguy is, I'm quite disappointed someone linked to his Twatter feed. Especially if it turns out our guesswork is wrong didn't realise it was a secret - thought it was pretty open knowledge. I'll delete it and hopefully waggers deletes their quote of it. i'd never doxx someone maliciously. Didn't even know it was you Grim lol |
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Post by mosher on Dec 13, 2023 18:52:13 GMT 1
didn't realise it was a secret - thought it was pretty open knowledge. I'll delete it and hopefully waggers deletes their quote of it. i'd never doxx someone maliciously. Deleted. Bit dodgy having a PR mouthpiece knocking around the forum though. Agree, but if/when he becomes Maynard-like in providing info they could be a useful go between, here's hoping anyway. My post was in no way a dig at you and Gag N Bone Man mate, but if we're wrong (unlikely as that may be) it can lead to unpleasantness. I realise (from what I've seen/noticed of your two's posts) you wouldn't be doing it with harmful intent anyway. |
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Post by waggers on Dec 13, 2023 18:52:24 GMT 1
Surely they had people at the club that should have emphasised how good Warnock is at this level? And that until the squad is improved he's needed? Most on here knew that to be the case so why didn't high ranking employees at the club? Listen I can understand Warnock is no saint and will cause issues but sometimes you do what is best for the club. Who are the high ranking employees you allude to? Is Nagle just making decisions willy nilly or is Cartright and other people with actual knowledge of English football guiding him? Nagle didn't pluck Moore out of thin air, who told Nagle to keep his cash in his pocket this summer and sell off a large percentage of the squad. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 13, 2023 18:57:23 GMT 1
Who are the high ranking employees you allude to? Is Nagle just making decisions willy nilly or is Cartright and other people with actual knowledge of English football guiding him? Nagle didn't pluck Moore out of thin air, who told Nagle to keep his cash in his pocket this summer and sell off a large percentage of the squad. That's what I'd like to know too. And if someone has advised him THIS badly I hope he's taking action because KN's the one who'll be getting the grief. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 19:13:56 GMT 1
Moore keeps getting abuse for negativity. I’m not sure that’s the case. Last night he started with 2 upfront and wingers as wing backs. On the face of it a very attacking selection. I’d say it’s just shit, not boring. If you have 25% or less possession and your playing 532 out of possession 75% of the timr, then Im affraid its negative, shit and boring. Thing is we had 47% possession last night and as many shots on target. Passing it around the back looks negative but Preston did it quite a bit as well. The difference was when they broke they did it with numbers and with more quality than us. When they moved the ball out of defence they had players who could keep it moving forward and they got numbers in the our area, we didn't. When Thomas got well forward he was often the furthest player upfield, which makes crosses a bit irrelevant, and I don't know why the others are slow to move with him but it all feels very nervous. I honestly don't think another manager is going to walk in and suddenly turn this group around. We need more quality and I think with that our confidence would grow. I honestly think DM is trying to make us tough to beat, which should be a good start, but even that seems hard with this group. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Dec 13, 2023 19:19:54 GMT 1
I wonder if Kevin fancies a spot of skiing in Aspen?
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 13, 2023 20:34:51 GMT 1
Justaguy.. it sounds like it was you who said you were hear to listen etc. So please confirm uou are listening and feeding back exactly what the fans are saying after last night. That 1st half performance is the worst yet under Moore, so don't let anyone kid you on that he needs time. He has had plenty of time to get us organised and playing his way.. do not trust him to get it right in January. I don’t mind sharing this part, but I apologize- I can’t expand much further. Every single day we talk about feedback. Every day. Whether it’s here, FB threads, hell I spent quite a bit of time in the post match twitter spaces listening to Ginger Ogre and the many other supporters speaking. I’m certainly not here to change narratives, to defend or offend, just as always to listen and learn. And to the question as to whether or not filters up, I can only assure you it does. Looking forward to boots on the ground 5 January. Take care. PS: we say “cojones” not “kahunas” The only time I remember using kahuna is when talking about someone in charge or important, as in “is that the Big Kahuna”? Carry on That's OK, I'm sure someone with an IQ the size of Townrwe's doesn't mind being schooled 😉😁 |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 13, 2023 20:37:34 GMT 1
'You say cojones and I say kahunas cojones, kahunas, cojones, kahunas (but when it comes to Moore) Let's call the whole thing off' Do you want an agent.  Colins' lad 🤔😉 |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 16, 2023 18:31:15 GMT 1
It’s time for protest.
Vote with your feet, nobody, NOBODY go on Boxing Day.
If the Club won’t act then we need to make them.
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Post by kennyk2 on Dec 16, 2023 18:40:49 GMT 1
It’s time for protest. Vote with your feet, nobody, NOBODY go on Boxing Day. If the Club won’t act then we need to make them. You could sit a piano on that bottom lip! |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Dec 16, 2023 18:43:48 GMT 1
It’s time for protest. Vote with your feet, nobody, NOBODY go on Boxing Day. If the Club won’t act then we need to make them. Fuck that. Boxing Day games are like tradition. I love em. UTT |
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