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Post by waggers on Dec 15, 2023 12:49:40 GMT 1
Id agree he hasnt over-achieved but equally he hasnt under achieved either, so dont think its fair to dismiss his record. Would we turn Guardiola down because hes never over-achieved in his career?? Think some decided he was the wrong appointment from day one simply because he wasnt Warnock. There was nothing in his previous record to form the view he'd be a disaster IMO. Guardiola hasn’t overachieved? I think he's making the point he's always had a magnificent squad of players to work with wherever he has been. That Barcelona team Fozza would have won a fair chunk of trophies. But I know what you mean, Pep won the treble last season you can't really do much better. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 15, 2023 12:54:41 GMT 1
Guardiola hasn’t overachieved? I think he's making the point he's always had a magnificent squad of players to work with wherever he has been. That Barcelona team Fozza would have won a fair chunk of trophies. But I know what you mean, Pep won the treble last season you can't really do much better. Yeah basically that. Hes done what he 'should' do at the various clubs hes had. Dont think hes over-achieved. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 15, 2023 13:03:40 GMT 1
Agree completely, but like I (and Slapps) say, not OVER achieved. I'm in the camp that thinks he would probably do pretty well on a small budget too, but I can't see him ever taking that kind of job to prove it. Would love to see him at a club like Town and absolutely smash it. He’s never going to have to unless City get relegated and lose all their players, but persuade him to stay. Would love to see that on so many levels! If this isn’t overachieving, then I don’t know what is … In his first season, he led Barcelona to the continental treble of La Liga, the Copa del Rey and the UEFA Champions League, becoming the youngest manager to win the latter competition. He was named the FIFA World Coach of the Year in 2011 after leading the club to another La Liga and Champions League double in the 2010–11 season. Guardiola ended his four-year Barcelona stint in 2012 with 14 honours, a club record. Guardiola joined Bayern Munich in 2013 and won the Bundesliga in each of the three seasons, including two domestic doubles. … Manchester City in 2016 and guided them to the Premier League title in his second season in charge, breaking numerous domestic records, as the team became the first to attain 100 points in a single season. He led City to a domestic treble in 2018–19, their first Champions League final in 2020–21, and their first Champions League title as part of another continental treble in 2022–23. Barca were already the best team in Europe when he got their job. At Bayern winning the German title is more or less given..his job was to win the CL for them and he failed..underachieved there if anything. At city they were already the top club in England expected to hoover up titles. Hes been very successful but only what would be expected at those 3 clubs. Hes not 'over achieved' IMO. To really prove himself as a manager he needs to take a job at a club that arent nailed on to win their domestic title and see how he does there. A Spurs , Newcastle or Villa type of club. |
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Post by ldotm on Dec 15, 2023 13:16:16 GMT 1
I think he's making the point he's always had a magnificent squad of players to work with wherever he has been. That Barcelona team Fozza would have won a fair chunk of trophies. But I know what you mean, Pep won the treble last season you can't really do much better. Yeah basically that. Hes done what he 'should' do at the various clubs hes had. Dont think hes over-achieved. I think you’re doing a disservice to Guardiola here. |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 15, 2023 13:19:41 GMT 1
He’s never going to have to unless City get relegated and lose all their players, but persuade him to stay. Would love to see that on so many levels! If this isn’t overachieving, then I don’t know what is … In his first season, he led Barcelona to the continental treble of La Liga, the Copa del Rey and the UEFA Champions League, becoming the youngest manager to win the latter competition. He was named the FIFA World Coach of the Year in 2011 after leading the club to another La Liga and Champions League double in the 2010–11 season. Guardiola ended his four-year Barcelona stint in 2012 with 14 honours, a club record. Guardiola joined Bayern Munich in 2013 and won the Bundesliga in each of the three seasons, including two domestic doubles. … Manchester City in 2016 and guided them to the Premier League title in his second season in charge, breaking numerous domestic records, as the team became the first to attain 100 points in a single season. He led City to a domestic treble in 2018–19, their first Champions League final in 2020–21, and their first Champions League title as part of another continental treble in 2022–23. Barca were already the best team in Europe when he got their job. At Bayern winning the German title is more or less given..his job was to win the CL for them and he failed..underachieved there if anything. At city they were already the top club in England expected to hoover up titles. Hes been very successful but only what would be expected at those 3 clubs. Hes not 'over achieved' IMO. To really prove himself as a manager he needs to take a job at a club that arent nailed on to win their domestic title and see how he does there. A Spurs , Newcastle or Villa type of club. I wouldn’t say Man City are nailed on to win the Premier League every year. I know what you’re saying (winning something with Spurs is just impossible 😂), but his record is incredible and he’s won things in style, smashing records. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 15, 2023 13:24:07 GMT 1
Barca were already the best team in Europe when he got their job. At Bayern winning the German title is more or less given..his job was to win the CL for them and he failed..underachieved there if anything. At city they were already the top club in England expected to hoover up titles. Hes been very successful but only what would be expected at those 3 clubs. Hes not 'over achieved' IMO. To really prove himself as a manager he needs to take a job at a club that arent nailed on to win their domestic title and see how he does there. A Spurs , Newcastle or Villa type of club. I wouldn’t say Man City are nailed on to win the Premier League every year. I know what you’re saying (winning something with Spurs is just impossible 😂), but his record is incredible and he’s won things in style, smashing records. I think with me and thee it's just our definition of over achieve that's a stumbling block to agreement. I agree with you that his record is outstanding/incredible/astounding. |
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Post by King Neil on Dec 15, 2023 13:36:13 GMT 1
Who cares about City...
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Post by King Neil on Dec 15, 2023 13:50:09 GMT 1
And their 3 titles on the bounce don't count as they were achieved by cheating
They can throw all their medals in the bin
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Post by royrace on Dec 15, 2023 14:04:40 GMT 1
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Post by yoda2169 on Dec 15, 2023 14:25:18 GMT 1
if he sticks with moore and lets him bring players in during transfer hell regret it and it due to fail and we be domed to lower division do the right think and ask him to resign or sack him cause we going nowhere with himno matter how much time you give him or money we have got rid of manager who where better than him so GET RID fans voting with there feet season ticket holders have stopped comming if moore stays we be down in season ticket sales hes had time and we going backwards not forwards the clubs near us are reacting to give themselfs a chance what we doing is standing stilll still saying give him a chance the answer is no get rid be active not reactive
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Post by mosher on Dec 15, 2023 14:26:46 GMT 1
if he sticks with moore and lets him bring players in during transfer hell regret it and it due to fail and we be domed to lower division do the right think and ask him to resign or sack him cause we going nowhere with himno matter how much time you give him or money we have got rid of manager who where better than him so GET RID fans voting with there feet season ticket holders have stopped comming if moore stays we be down in season ticket sales hes had time and we going backwards not forwards the clubs near us are reacting to give themselfs a chance what we doing is standing stilll still saying give him a chance the answer is no get rid be active not reactive FFS stream of consciousness writing or what And it's: be PROactive And themSELVES do the right THING So much more but can't be arsed |
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Post by ambryboy on Dec 15, 2023 14:30:24 GMT 1
if he sticks with moore and lets him bring players in during transfer hell regret it and it due to fail and we be domed to lower division do the right think and ask him to resign or sack him cause we going nowhere with himno matter how much time you give him or money we have got rid of manager who where better than him so GET RID fans voting with there feet season ticket holders have stopped comming if moore stays we be down in season ticket sales hes had time and we going backwards not forwards the clubs near us are reacting to give themselfs a chance what we doing is standing stilll still saying give him a chance the answer is no get rid be active not reactive ...and breathe. |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 15, 2023 15:07:15 GMT 1
I think he's making the point he's always had a magnificent squad of players to work with wherever he has been. That Barcelona team Fozza would have won a fair chunk of trophies. But I know what you mean, Pep won the treble last season you can't really do much better. Yeah basically that. Hes done what he 'should' do at the various clubs hes had. Dont think hes over-achieved. With you 100% capn. To put some context around it though, he's clearly an exceptional talented manager and his team's consistency is stunning over several years at Citeh now and the treble achievement was some feat. That said, with the squad depth he has is it that surprising? If they win 4 in a row then to me that defines overachievement - never been done before as we all know and whilst he continues to enjoy an embarrassment of riches playing wise and also in budgetary terms every year there's a reason no team has done it in 125+ years. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 15, 2023 15:14:27 GMT 1
Yeah basically that. Hes done what he 'should' do at the various clubs hes had. Dont think hes over-achieved. With you 100% capn. To put some context around it though, he's clearly an exceptional talented manager and his team's consistency is stunning over several years at Citeh now and the treble achievement was some feat. That said, with the squad depth he has is it that surprising? If they win 4 in a row then to me that defines overachievement - never been done before as we all know and whilst he continues to enjoy an embarrassment of riches playing wise and also in budgetary terms every year there's a reason no team has done it in 125+ years. Exactly where I'm at. |
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Post by rickrast on Dec 15, 2023 15:40:49 GMT 1
Been done to death on here already but his track record suggested be wasn't what we needed. Your need to look at his win rate etc with context. There would also have been an interview process you would hope. It was the wrong appointment and looked it from day one to many. His backroom team didn't inspire confidence either looking at their experience and background, as we know that can be key. We needed a coach that could over achieve, imo we got one that never has. We need to reincarnate Herbert Chapman...now he was an over-achiever!!! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 15, 2023 17:32:53 GMT 1
Yeah basically that. Hes done what he 'should' do at the various clubs hes had. Dont think hes over-achieved. With you 100% capn. To put some context around it though, he's clearly an exceptional talented manager and his team's consistency is stunning over several years at Citeh now and the treble achievement was some feat. That said, with the squad depth he has is it that surprising? If they win 4 in a row then to me that defines overachievement - never been done before as we all know and whilst he continues to enjoy an embarrassment of riches playing wise and also in budgetary terms every year there's a reason no team has done it in 125+ years. Think Im with you on that. Think any half decent manager would win the title with city, but to do it 4 times on the trot would be entering the realms of over-achieving even with their advantages, rather than just achieving. |
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Post by pinstripe on Dec 15, 2023 17:54:48 GMT 1
Nagle’s said he’ll be asking the tough questions of everyone, when asked if that makes DM worried for his job in his latest press conference, he said the following;
‘No because that was always stressed when we come in here.. and already the club as a structure has already been assessed up to this point, because long before I came in the chairman was part of this football club before I’d arrived at this football club so that in itself in terms of the structure of the football club, that’s me included, but that’s talking about the structure of the football club.’
This reads like my five year old making sentences on my phone using the automatically suggested middle word to complete an entire paragraph of text.
What was stressed when he came to the club? Why would Nagle be coming over if the club had already been assessed? Why would deflecting blame to the structure of the football club not put a target immediately on DM’s head? Why does he seem so complacent about being on the brink of losing his job? Why on a fundamental level is this such a terribly worded statement?
I wish I could be kinder, but there are many really genuinely moronic things he says in press conferences, that paragraph was simply my breaking point.. his words hold no weight, and It’s simply unwatchable garbage.. kinda like the football we play with him as our manager.
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Post by hgterrier on Dec 15, 2023 18:20:14 GMT 1
if he sticks with moore and lets him bring players in during transfer hell regret it and it due to fail and we be domed to lower division do the right think and ask him to resign or sack him cause we going nowhere with himno matter how much time you give him or money we have got rid of manager who where better than him so GET RID fans voting with there feet season ticket holders have stopped comming if moore stays we be down in season ticket sales hes had time and we going backwards not forwards the clubs near us are reacting to give themselfs a chance what we doing is standing stilll still saying give him a chance the answer is no get rid be active not reactive I tried to read this post but it's impossible. Are you related to our manager in some way? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 15, 2023 18:26:29 GMT 1
Nagle’s said he’ll be asking the tough questions of everyone, when asked if that makes DM worried for his job in his latest press conference, he said the following; ‘No because that was always stressed when we come in here.. and already the club as a structure has already been assessed up to this point, because long before I came in the chairman was part of this football club before I’d arrived at this football club so that in itself in terms of the structure of the football club, that’s me included, but that’s talking about the structure of the football club.’ This reads like my five year old making sentences on my phone using the automatically suggested middle word to complete an entire paragraph of text. What was stressed when he came to the club? Why would Nagle be coming over if the club had already been assessed? Why would deflecting blame to the structure of the football club not put a target immediately on DM’s head? Why does he seem so complacent about being on the brink of losing his job? Why on a fundamental level is this such a terribly worded statement? I wish I could be kinder, but there are many really genuinely moronic things he says in press conferences, that paragraph was simply my breaking point.. his words hold no weight, and It’s simply unwatchable garbage.. kinda like the football we play with him as our manager. Is that really what he said? I genuinely read it thinking it was a pisstake of the waffle he comes out with in interviews! |
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Post by pinstripe on Dec 15, 2023 19:51:40 GMT 1
Nagle’s said he’ll be asking the tough questions of everyone, when asked if that makes DM worried for his job in his latest press conference, he said the following; ‘No because that was always stressed when we come in here.. and already the club as a structure has already been assessed up to this point, because long before I came in the chairman was part of this football club before I’d arrived at this football club so that in itself in terms of the structure of the football club, that’s me included, but that’s talking about the structure of the football club.’ This reads like my five year old making sentences on my phone using the automatically suggested middle word to complete an entire paragraph of text. What was stressed when he came to the club? Why would Nagle be coming over if the club had already been assessed? Why would deflecting blame to the structure of the football club not put a target immediately on DM’s head? Why does he seem so complacent about being on the brink of losing his job? Why on a fundamental level is this such a terribly worded statement? I wish I could be kinder, but there are many really genuinely moronic things he says in press conferences, that paragraph was simply my breaking point.. his words hold no weight, and It’s simply unwatchable garbage.. kinda like the football we play with him as our manager. Is that really what he said? I genuinely read it thinking it was a pisstake of the waffle he comes out with in interviews! Word for word, missing uhm and erm’s. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 15, 2023 19:53:06 GMT 1
Nagle’s said he’ll be asking the tough questions of everyone, when asked if that makes DM worried for his job in his latest press conference, he said the following; ‘No because that was always stressed when we come in here.. and already the club as a structure has already been assessed up to this point, because long before I came in the chairman was part of this football club before I’d arrived at this football club so that in itself in terms of the structure of the football club, that’s me included, but that’s talking about the structure of the football club.’ This reads like my five year old making sentences on my phone using the automatically suggested middle word to complete an entire paragraph of text. What was stressed when he came to the club? Why would Nagle be coming over if the club had already been assessed? Why would deflecting blame to the structure of the football club not put a target immediately on DM’s head? Why does he seem so complacent about being on the brink of losing his job? Why on a fundamental level is this such a terribly worded statement? I wish I could be kinder, but there are many really genuinely moronic things he says in press conferences, that paragraph was simply my breaking point.. his words hold no weight, and It’s simply unwatchable garbage.. kinda like the football we play with him as our manager. Is that really what he said? I genuinely read it thinking it was a pisstake of the waffle he comes out with in interviews! Unfortunately what pinstripe wrote was pretty much spot on. As I mentioned beforehand, DM has a strange habit of using a particular word numerous times in an answer or reply, and it just comes across as garbled nonsense. How he can get even a straightforward message to the players is beyond me. |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Dec 15, 2023 19:57:35 GMT 1
Yet, the incisive, truth seeking, reporter of the people, Kathryn Hannah accepted it without query. He's as bad as he is allowed to be, meaning that he can say whatever he wants, as long as it fills time on RL pre match. As ever, spineless RL(and other local media) in allowing him to make such utterances.
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Post by goodbet on Dec 15, 2023 19:59:54 GMT 1
Is that really what he said? I genuinely read it thinking it was a pisstake of the waffle he comes out with in interviews! Unfortunately what pinstripe wrote was pretty much spot on. As I mentioned beforehand, DM has a strange habit of using a particular word numerous times in an answer or reply, and it just comes across as garbled nonsense. How he can get even a straightforward message to the players is beyond me. From watching what he is serving the only bit the players seem to understand is 10 players behind the ball. |
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Post by alfredsterrier on Dec 15, 2023 20:10:28 GMT 1
Nagle’s said he’ll be asking the tough questions of everyone, when asked if that makes DM worried for his job in his latest press conference, he said the following; ‘No because that was always stressed when we come in here.. and already the club as a structure has already been assessed up to this point, because long before I came in the chairman was part of this football club before I’d arrived at this football club so that in itself in terms of the structure of the football club, that’s me included, but that’s talking about the structure of the football club.’ This reads like my five year old making sentences on my phone using the automatically suggested middle word to complete an entire paragraph of text. What was stressed when he came to the club? Why would Nagle be coming over if the club had already been assessed? Why would deflecting blame to the structure of the football club not put a target immediately on DM’s head? Why does he seem so complacent about being on the brink of losing his job? Why on a fundamental level is this such a terribly worded statement? I wish I could be kinder, but there are many really genuinely moronic things he says in press conferences, that paragraph was simply my breaking point.. his words hold no weight, and It’s simply unwatchable garbage.. kinda like the football we play with him as our manager. Totally agree. He kept repeating the word alluded as if it made it him sound intelligent. Kevin never alluded to anything he actually said the football is rubbish. Darren talks so much rubbish. Why couldn’t Katherine Hannah have said, ‘well he didn’t allude to it he actually said’ and called him out. Again, players are coming back but still plays people out of position. We can’t ask the questions so they have to do it for us. |
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Post by scutcher on Dec 15, 2023 20:12:27 GMT 1
if he sticks with moore and lets him bring players in during transfer hell regret it and it due to fail and we be domed to lower division do the right think and ask him to resign or sack him cause we going nowhere with himno matter how much time you give him or money we have got rid of manager who where better than him so GET RID fans voting with there feet season ticket holders have stopped comming if moore stays we be down in season ticket sales hes had time and we going backwards not forwards the clubs near us are reacting to give themselfs a chance what we doing is standing stilll still saying give him a chance the answer is no get rid be active not reactive FTW |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 15, 2023 20:36:37 GMT 1
It's quite simple. He keeps Moore and thinks that some investment in the squad (and hot air in the media) is the answer. He will own a league 1 club in 6 months time.
There is only one answer here, Moore out.
Anything other than this course of action is putting lipstick on a pig.
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Post by runner76 on Dec 15, 2023 21:14:43 GMT 1
Why, on so many posts, do I see ‘Mr Nagle’ and not ‘Kev’ or something?
I don’t remember Deano / DH / Hoyle often being referred to as ‘Mr Hoyle’
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Post by royrace on Dec 15, 2023 22:37:59 GMT 1
Yet, the incisive, truth seeking, reporter of the people, Kathryn Hannah accepted it without query. He's as bad as he is allowed to be, meaning that he can say whatever he wants, as long as it fills time on RL pre match. As ever, spineless RL(and other local media) in allowing him to make such utterances. Maybe she didn't want to kick a guy when he's down? I don't see any benefit in questioning him further and making him squirm. It's all getting a bit personal imo and quite unpleasant. Just let KN deal with it how he sees fit. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 16, 2023 0:02:04 GMT 1
Pep hasn't overachieved, heard it all now Sure I just read above someone said Fotheringham would have achieved a lot at Barcelona in the Xavi era. I feel like people do not comprehend 90% of what a manager’s job is. The 90 mins on the Saturday is a very small part. |
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