trotsky
Tom Cowan Terrier
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Post by trotsky on Jan 6, 2024 13:45:11 GMT 1
Remember this very well. Happened right in front of me. Yellow card. Unbelievable. Yes, disgusting challenge and one that always sticks in my memory whenever I see Dale Stephens on the telly.
Me too, but I always have a little laugh at him 'cos every time he looks in the mirror, he sees Jeremy Beadle's lovechild looking back at him!
To rub salt into the wound, (IIRC) not long after the idiot ref. let him stay on the field, he committed another foul that should have been a dead cert yellow but the ref. let him off for a second time.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 6, 2024 14:02:35 GMT 1
My only disagreement - it's not DOGSO because of where is it on the pitch and too many covering defenders. He wasn't about to get a shot off in a great position, nor was he moving into one particularly. The FA overturned a ban for Barry Bannan recently despite him tripping a player as he was about to shoot on the edge of the area with most of the goal to aim at, so no chance of a red card when 40 yards out! (For what it's worth, I actually thought the Bannan one was a red and the ref got it right, but there you go). On serious foul play - spot on. You're looking for a dangerous challenge, the hallmark of which is excessive force, indicators for which may include being off the ground. Replays clearly show both feet off the floor and a lunging motion (contact is also made with a downwards motion, with a straight leg - from behind, to boot. Full contact with Burgzorg breaks his leg/ankle, which is more likely in this situation as it is from behind and Burgzorg has no opportunity to avoid the challenge). I'd also argue violent conduct. It's an attempt to play the man with the ball nowhere near. I quote the definition of violent conduct: 'Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.' He's not challenging for the ball. He's gone to do Burgzorg with no intent for the ball. It's the worst challenge I've seen in 10 years, since Dale Stephens' thigh-high challenge on Adam Hammill in the Cup, a challenge that also only somehow brought a yellow card. Wasn’t as bad as Charlie Austin kicking Lossl in the face, that’s the worst foul I’ve ever seen. He was charged with violent conduct afterwards but no card in the game as I remember it? The difference with the Charlie Austin one was that the referee didn't punish him at the time and so he could be charged with it later on. If he'd been booked then the yellow card would have stood and no further punishment would have been possible. The ironic thing is that he picked up an injury later in the game which left him out longer than the original ban - karma? Is it time to go down the route of what rugby league does, where incidents can be reviewed afterwards to see if the original punishment was correct? I don't know - will it just favour the bigger clubs, as VAR does now? |
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