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Post by cuz on Jan 2, 2024 12:33:47 GMT 1
Cold hard facts of Moores tenure. Played - 19... Won = 3.... Drawn = 8.... Lost = 8 Total Points = 17... Win % - 15.79 Mark Fotheringham. Played = 21...... Won = 5.... Drawn = 6... Lost = 10.... Total points 21.... Win % 23.81 Lets be honest, we arent going to beat citeh, so his plymouth game his 21st game even if he gets a win, hes still 1 point worse off than Fotheringham who many deem as the worst manager of a generation, who was also sacked 6 games too late.... How long are the board going to leave it? Lose to Plymouth and it will be curtains and massive games afterwards that will basically seal our fate changing a manager mid jan would be ridicuous, but leaving it until feb would be sleepwalking into relegation. If the board are thinking hes one game away from the sack then they should act now and not dilly dally. and Warnocks stats for his recent tenure at Town ? DM's stats are horrendous and while I accept our resources are poor he simply hasn't figured out a way to create a competetive winning side..and delivered a fair amount of dull boring football along the way. There's a big question mark over him being given the transfer window to improve things...because if that fails, we're relegated.
And he has done nothing to create any kind of connection with the fanbase. In fact he has fractured the togetherness we previously had. He needs to follow Rooney down the road. |
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Post by frankyb on Jan 2, 2024 12:34:27 GMT 1
Cold hard facts of Moores tenure. Played - 19... Won = 3.... Drawn = 8.... Lost = 8 Total Points = 17... Win % - 15.79 Mark Fotheringham. Played = 21...... Won = 5.... Drawn = 6... Lost = 10.... Total points 21.... Win % 23.81 Lets be honest, we arent going to beat citeh, so his plymouth game his 21st game even if he gets a win, hes still 1 point worse off than Fotheringham who many deem as the worst manager of a generation, who was also sacked 6 games too late.... How long are the board going to leave it? Lose to Plymouth and it will be curtains and massive games afterwards that will basically seal our fate changing a manager mid jan would be ridicuous, but leaving it until feb would be sleepwalking into relegation. If the board are thinking hes one game away from the sack then they should act now and not dilly dally. and Warnocks stats for his recent tenure at Town ?
DM's stats are horrendous and while I accept our resources are poor he simply hasn't figured out a way to create a competetive winning side..and delivered a fair amount of dull boring football along the way. There's a big question mark over him being given the transfer window to improve things...because if that fails, we're relegated.
Warcnock - Played = 24... Won = 9..... Draw = 6...... Loss = 9.... Win % = 37.50 |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 2, 2024 12:39:18 GMT 1
A lot of Derby fans thought that Rosenior was the brains behind their partnership at Derby. They're probably right.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 2, 2024 12:40:54 GMT 1
Totally. You'd think we were expected to win at Leicester reading this board. Performances have improved a lot during a time where literally every fit senior player is playing in the starting XI. I dont get why Birmingham sacking Rooney has any relevance to us or Moore. He took over a side full of confidence and winning,,sat in the play off spots and has transformed it into a relegation side with 10 points from 15 games. Moore took over a struggling side and has pretty much kept it on the same points per game ratio as he found it, whilst contending with a hell of a lot of injuries in an already thin squad. Lets give him some fresh players in this window and allow him to build a team he wants. If he fails he fails, but it seems crazy to ditch him just at the point hes improving the way we play and when he can build the squad up a bit. Moore took over a struggling side? Yes we were near the bottom but we were playing better than now. I was confident of us staying up under Warnock but have no confidence of us staying up now. I accept that we have a very weak squad regardless of the manager. I'm still trying to fathom out why Nagle bought the club. It's like buying a house and then leaving it empty to detiorate. Not sure we were playing any better than we have been doing in the last few weeks. And we didnt have anything like the injuries we currently have. As for Nagle, can we not actually give the chance to fill the house before we question him? |
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Post by harris on Jan 2, 2024 12:43:41 GMT 1
Moore took over a struggling side? Yes we were near the bottom but we were playing better than now. I was confident of us staying up under Warnock but have no confidence of us staying up now. I accept that we have a very weak squad regardless of the manager. I'm still trying to fathom out why Nagle bought the club. It's like buying a house and then leaving it empty to detiorate. Warnock had us in the relegation spots over a few games this season, Moore hasn't Rotherham at home under Warnock too - people make out that Warnock was absolutely cruising us to a midtable finish this season when in fact, we were just as bad as we are now. The problem is the squad. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 2, 2024 12:46:20 GMT 1
Cold hard facts of Moores tenure. Played - 19... Won = 3.... Drawn = 8.... Lost = 8 Total Points = 17... Win % - 15.79 Mark Fotheringham. Played = 21...... Won = 5.... Drawn = 6... Lost = 10.... Total points 21.... Win % 23.81 Lets be honest, we arent going to beat citeh, so his plymouth game his 21st game even if he gets a win, hes still 1 point worse off than Fotheringham who many deem as the worst manager of a generation, who was also sacked 6 games too late.... How long are the board going to leave it? Lose to Plymouth and it will be curtains and massive games afterwards that will basically seal our fate changing a manager mid jan would be ridicuous, but leaving it until feb would be sleepwalking into relegation. If the board are thinking hes one game away from the sack then they should act now and not dilly dally. Corboran in the 2nd half of 20/21 played 24...won = 3....Drawn= 9...lost= 12..total points 18.....win % 12.5 Should we have sacked him? probably..but it would have been an error. What we did was give him a better, stronger squad to work with and it almost got us in the PL. |
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Post by detox on Jan 2, 2024 12:47:45 GMT 1
and Warnocks stats for his recent tenure at Town ?
DM's stats are horrendous and while I accept our resources are poor he simply hasn't figured out a way to create a competetive winning side..and delivered a fair amount of dull boring football along the way. There's a big question mark over him being given the transfer window to improve things...because if that fails, we're relegated.
Warcnock - Played = 24... Won = 9..... Draw = 6...... Loss = 9.... Win % = 37.50 On that basis NW would have around 36 points at the 26 game mark..but we have 25 points...21st instead of 12th.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 12:51:39 GMT 1
If only we had a decisive board of directors  The 'board' is only Kev and his bean counting chum. Edwards is not even on the board. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 2, 2024 12:53:07 GMT 1
Cold hard facts of Moores tenure. Played - 19... Won = 3.... Drawn = 8.... Lost = 8 Total Points = 17... Win % - 15.79 Mark Fotheringham. Played = 21...... Won = 5.... Drawn = 6... Lost = 10.... Total points 21.... Win % 23.81 Lets be honest, we arent going to beat citeh, so his plymouth game his 21st game even if he gets a win, hes still 1 point worse off than Fotheringham who many deem as the worst manager of a generation, who was also sacked 6 games too late.... How long are the board going to leave it? Lose to Plymouth and it will be curtains and massive games afterwards that will basically seal our fate changing a manager mid jan would be ridicuous, but leaving it until feb would be sleepwalking into relegation. If the board are thinking hes one game away from the sack then they should act now and not dilly dally. Corboran in the 2nd half of 20/21 played 24...won = 3....Drawn= 9...lost= 12..total points 18.....win % 12.5 Should we have sacked him? probably..but it would have been an error. What we did was give him a better, stronger squad to work with and it almost got us in the PL. Found a way to win games, plus found a way not to lose when plan A didnt work. Limited tactics with a limited squad. Was a difficult watch at times although tempered by the underlying knowledge that we were not going to lose? 25 plus set piece goals and so many one goal wins... |
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Post by detox on Jan 2, 2024 12:53:50 GMT 1
Cold hard facts of Moores tenure. Played - 19... Won = 3.... Drawn = 8.... Lost = 8 Total Points = 17... Win % - 15.79 Mark Fotheringham. Played = 21...... Won = 5.... Drawn = 6... Lost = 10.... Total points 21.... Win % 23.81 Lets be honest, we arent going to beat citeh, so his plymouth game his 21st game even if he gets a win, hes still 1 point worse off than Fotheringham who many deem as the worst manager of a generation, who was also sacked 6 games too late.... How long are the board going to leave it? Lose to Plymouth and it will be curtains and massive games afterwards that will basically seal our fate changing a manager mid jan would be ridicuous, but leaving it until feb would be sleepwalking into relegation. If the board are thinking hes one game away from the sack then they should act now and not dilly dally. Corboran in the 2nd half of 20/21 played 24...won = 3....Drawn= 9...lost= 12..total points 18.....win % 12.5 Should we have sacked him? probably..but it would have been an error. What we did was give him a better, stronger squad to work with and it almost got us in the PL. yeah but, no fans at the ground..so difficult to compare..plus he had Schofield in the pegs, Keogh at CB , Campbell, Mbenze and Sanogo..Aarons..Rowe... |
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Post by townohiofan on Jan 2, 2024 12:54:57 GMT 1
I spent a year or so saying that Rooney was crap and a bottom half manager while in MLS. If his name was anyone else he'd have not got a job in the football league. His football was as bad to watch here as it has been for Birmingham (got a few more points because he spent a ton of money but they were still poor outside of individual moments).
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Post by terrier86 on Jan 2, 2024 13:01:15 GMT 1
If only we had a decisive board of directors The 'board' is only Kev and his bean counting chum. Edwards is not even on the board. Quite often that helps the division of duties so that Edwards is accountable to the board for his performance and that the board remains stable if you change the chairman. So the Board will have set Edwards targets based on their aspirations. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jan 2, 2024 13:05:06 GMT 1
Lol, wondered who the first idiot would be. Congrats. |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 2, 2024 13:09:24 GMT 1
Warcnock - Played = 24... Won = 9..... Draw = 6...... Loss = 9.... Win % = 37.50 On that basis NW would have around 36 points at the 26 game mark..but we have 25 points...21st instead of 12th.. My data - which always needs a double check, to be fair, has the following from worst to best points over 19 games from the managers from the Hoyle era onwards...... 10 / 19 - Wagner 13 / 19 - Corberan 16 / 19 - Powell 16 / 19 - Robins 17 / 19 - Moore 20 / 19 - Fozzy 20 / 19 - cowley 22 / 19 - Grayson 22 / 19 - Clark 24 / 19 - Warnock |
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Post by royrace on Jan 2, 2024 13:09:42 GMT 1
The difference being that they brought Rooney in because of his name, not his managerial credentials, of which he has none. His best win ratio is 28%. DMs lowest win ratio prior to Huddersfield Town is 44.8%. Whether you like it or not, DM is a class apart from Wayne Rooney. Football is a fickle game. We spank Blackburn, undeservedly lose to M'Boro and DM then deserves January at least, then we expectedly lose to Leicester and fans are back to wanting his head on a plate. Totally. You'd think we were expected to win at Leicester reading this board. Performances have improved a lot during a time where literally every fit senior player is playing in the starting XI. I dont get why Birmingham sacking Rooney has any relevance to us or Moore. He took over a side full of confidence and winning,,sat in the play off spots and has transformed it into a relegation side with 10 points from 15 games. Moore took over a struggling side and has pretty much kept it on the same points per game ratio as he found it, whilst contending with a hell of a lot of injuries in an already thin squad. Lets give him some fresh players in this window and allow him to build a team he wants. If he fails he fails, but it seems crazy to ditch him just at the point hes improving the way we play and when he can build the squad up a bit. Struggling?! The team was finding it's feet in the new season and playing some decent football and getting points on the board after a shaky start. The shaky start by the way nowhere near the dross that DM has served up. That came off the back of being near the top of the form table at the end of the previous season! DM isn't the right man for the job and will probably get us relegated, best we can hope for is boring mediocrity with zero chance of overachieving. Unless we have a very good window that means relegation. I don't think the ownership and board are ambitious enough to sack him or to spend in the window. That's the big difference between town and Birmingham and why they won't be relegated. |
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Post by frankyb on Jan 2, 2024 13:15:39 GMT 1
On that basis NW would have around 36 points at the 26 game mark..but we have 25 points...21st instead of 12th.. My data - which always needs a double check, to be fair, has the following from worst to best points over 19 games from the managers from the Hoyle era onwards...... 10 / 19 - Wagner 13 / 19 - Corberan 16 / 19 - Powell 16 / 19 - Robins 17 / 19 - Moore 20 / 19 - Fozzy 20 / 19 - cowley 22 / 19 - Grayson 22 / 19 - Clark 24 / 19 - Warnock Is that first 19 games, or any 19 consequtive games? |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 2, 2024 13:16:13 GMT 1
My data - which always needs a double check, to be fair, has the following from worst to best points over 19 games from the managers from the Hoyle era onwards...... 10 / 19 - Wagner 13 / 19 - Corberan 16 / 19 - Powell 16 / 19 - Robins 17 / 19 - Moore 20 / 19 - Fozzy 20 / 19 - cowley 22 / 19 - Grayson 22 / 19 - Clark 24 / 19 - Warnock Is that first 19 games, or any 19 consequtive games? any 19 consecutive games (even across seasons.......) |
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Post by Big Jim on Jan 2, 2024 13:19:45 GMT 1
Is that first 19 games, or any 19 consequtive games? any 19 consecutive games (even across seasons.......) How does that work? You can just pick any 19 games? Is it each managers worst 19 games? I'd like to see each managers first 19 games. |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 2, 2024 13:24:11 GMT 1
any 19 consecutive games (even across seasons.......) How does that work? You can just pick any 19 games? Is it each managers worst 19 games? I'd like to see each managers first 19 games. no...'consecutive' so must be 19 games played in a row....... |
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Post by Big Jim on Jan 2, 2024 13:34:15 GMT 1
How does that work? You can just pick any 19 games? Is it each managers worst 19 games? I'd like to see each managers first 19 games. no...'consecutive' so must be 19 games played in a row....... I understand the term 'consecutive' But which 19 consecutive games? First 19? Last 19? Any random 19 from the middle? If they're not uniform, then they're worthless. |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 2, 2024 13:36:38 GMT 1
any 19 consecutive games (even across seasons.......) How does that work? You can just pick any 19 games? Is it each managers worst 19 games? I'd like to see each managers first 19 games. First 19: 30 / 19 - Grayson 25 / 19 - cowley 25 / 19 - Robins 25 / 19 - Clark 25 / 19 - Corberan 24 / 19 - Wagner 24 / 19 - Warnock 24 / 19 - Powell 20 / 19 - Fozzy 17 / 19 - Moore |
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Post by efesodje23 on Jan 2, 2024 13:36:58 GMT 1
13 weeks not sufficient enough to oversee the changes needed? Weren't they 7th when he took over?  |
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Post by efesodje23 on Jan 2, 2024 13:39:10 GMT 1
My moneys on Lampard
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Post by stevvy on Jan 2, 2024 13:41:24 GMT 1
13 weeks not sufficient enough to oversee the changes needed? Weren't they 7th when he took over? Yep. Exactly the same as the previous owners, they were in and around the playoffs when they got rid of Rowett, and ended up in a relegation battle, all because they wanted a 'name' in charge. It's deja vu. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 2, 2024 14:09:25 GMT 1
13 weeks not sufficient enough to oversee the changes needed? Weren't they 7th when he took over? Yep. Exactly the same as the previous owners, they were in and around the playoffs when they got rid of Rowett, and ended up in a relegation battle, all because they wanted a 'name' in charge. It's deja vu.is that french for Brilliant? |
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Post by pterrier on Jan 2, 2024 14:10:24 GMT 1
If the sacking wasn’t traumatic enough, they’ll now be forced to change the club’s name as well…
No longer will they be known as ‘Wayne Rooney’s Birmingham City’.
Now they’ll be known as: ‘Wayne Rooney’s former but now Frank Lampard’s Birmingham City’.
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Post by detox on Jan 2, 2024 14:11:53 GMT 1
any 19 consecutive games (even across seasons.......) How does that work? You can just pick any 19 games? Is it each managers worst 19 games? I'd like to see each managers first 19 games. me too... |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 2, 2024 14:12:21 GMT 1
13 weeks not sufficient enough to oversee the changes needed? Weren't they 7th when he took over? He shouldnt have taken the job. they didnt need any changes..they were already massively over-achieving. he was only ever going to make them worse. |
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Post by detox on Jan 2, 2024 14:14:03 GMT 1
How does that work? You can just pick any 19 games? Is it each managers worst 19 games? I'd like to see each managers first 19 games. First 19: 30 / 19 - Grayson 25 / 19 - cowley 25 / 19 - Robins 25 / 19 - Clark 25 / 19 - Corberan 24 / 19 - Wagner 24 / 19 - Warnock 24 / 19 - Powell 20 / 19 - Fozzy 17 / 19 - Moore that's more like it...as we thought I reckon...Had zero impact...and remember all those managers were picking up someone else's squad... |
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Post by prepare on Jan 2, 2024 14:26:07 GMT 1
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