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Post by royrace on Jan 19, 2024 12:06:03 GMT 1
If you took your head from up his arse for a minute you'll notice I was talking about the style of play. Moore got a manager of the month, the day before his team were relegated (he has 2 of those on his CV, Carlos hasn't) and one promotion which was achieved by the same dodgy, big club refereeing decisions that denied Carlos one. Have you seen anything that makes you think Moore is capable of changing things, for the better, during a game cos it seems to be quite the opposite so far 🤔 So Moore has never even had any of his teams play with the incredible 'style' Corboran managed in those 24 games? W9...D4....L11 Winning the Manager of the month with a side at the bottom of the table as soon as he takes over means nothing because they still went down? Getting 96 points then going up through play offs means nothing because it was down to dodgy refs? And if you dont think that, youre up his arse? Has there ever been a more inappropriate use of the thinking emoji ? You're scraping the barrel there for reasons DM is a good manager Mom years ago just after he'd taken over at WBA! Probably motivated them all well and definitely wouldn't have had any time to get any of his ideas across! Getting Wednesday promoted playing crap football with way better players than the rest of the division and very nearly fooking that up. Very lucky in the second leg and final. I prefer to look at the big picture including the utter shyte that we have witnessed. There's no logic in comparing him with Corberan. Not a single similarity other than they both had shit runs. Unfortunately Darren's tenure so far has been one, long, shit run with no redeeming features whatsoever. Anyway it seems like he's all out of excuses so we'll see what happens now. My worry is we'll see a slight improvement but not enough to see us safe. I'm always prepared to clutch at straws but there aren't any. We haven't even been able to take a decent set piece since he's been here.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 19, 2024 12:21:08 GMT 1
So Moore has never even had any of his teams play with the incredible 'style' Corboran managed in those 24 games? W9...D4....L11 Winning the Manager of the month with a side at the bottom of the table as soon as he takes over means nothing because they still went down? Getting 96 points then going up through play offs means nothing because it was down to dodgy refs? And if you dont think that, youre up his arse? Has there ever been a more inappropriate use of the thinking emoji ? You're scraping the barrel there for reasons DM is a good manager Mom years ago just after he'd taken over at WBA! Probably motivated them all well and definitely wouldn't have had any time to get any of his ideas across! Getting Wednesday promoted playing crap football with way better players than the rest of the division and very nearly fooking that up. Very lucky in the second leg and final. I prefer to look at the big picture including the utter shyte that we have witnessed. There's no logic in comparing him with Corberan. Not a single similarity other than they both had shit runs. Unfortunately Darren's tenure so far has been one, long, shit run with no redeeming features whatsoever. Anyway it seems like he's all out of excuses so we'll see what happens now. My worry is we'll see a slight improvement but not enough to see us safe. I'm always prepared to clutch at straws but there aren't any. We haven't even been able to take a decent set piece since he's been here. Blame Simon Ireland for that
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Post by Fish & Chips on Jan 19, 2024 12:34:05 GMT 1
Wish mods would do their “job” and move all these comments to the DM thread. Everything’s mixed up these days.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 19, 2024 13:04:03 GMT 1
So Moore has never even had any of his teams play with the incredible 'style' Corboran managed in those 24 games? W9...D4....L11 Winning the Manager of the month with a side at the bottom of the table as soon as he takes over means nothing because they still went down? Getting 96 points then going up through play offs means nothing because it was down to dodgy refs? And if you dont think that, youre up his arse? Has there ever been a more inappropriate use of the thinking emoji ? You're scraping the barrel there for reasons DM is a good manager Mom years ago just after he'd taken over at WBA! Probably motivated them all well and definitely wouldn't have had any time to get any of his ideas across! Getting Wednesday promoted playing crap football with way better players than the rest of the division and very nearly fooking that up. Very lucky in the second leg and final. I prefer to look at the big picture including the utter shyte that we have witnessed. There's no logic in comparing him with Corberan. Not a single similarity other than they both had shit runs. Unfortunately Darren's tenure so far has been one, long, shit run with no redeeming features whatsoever. Anyway it seems like he's all out of excuses so we'll see what happens now. My worry is we'll see a slight improvement but not enough to see us safe. I'm always prepared to clutch at straws but there aren't any. We haven't even been able to take a decent set piece since he's been here. I dont think Im scraping any barrel at all...just pointing out that the suggestion hes never accomplished anything comparably good as what corboran did in the first half of 20/21 is utter bollocks on any level. Id say trying very hard to dismiss his managerial history as meaningless and worthless is scraping the barrel myself. There is no point comparing him with Corboran. There arent many similarities (Moore has achieved things that Corboran hasnt, but Corboran did well here in the end) , other than they have both shown they cant cope with a bad injury situation here. Hopefully there will be a similarity soon, in that when they were given a squad with decent strength they both got Town winning!
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 19, 2024 13:10:16 GMT 1
But Corboran had the first 20 games with a full squad playing the way he wanted after a full pre season. Moore has ad nonprr seasona and not had more than 12 fit first teamers available in any game since he took over and has no strikers available at all for most of them. If Corboran had started with the squad he had for the second half of the season he would not have had any of the credit in the bank which got him through the season. Warnock had no pre season 🤔 True,but he also had no pressure, a better squad and oncentrated on play out of possession and catching them on the break. Which DM has been criticised for when he's done it.
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Post by King Neil on Jan 19, 2024 13:32:53 GMT 1
So Moore has never even had any of his teams play with the incredible 'style' Corboran managed in those 24 games? W9...D4....L11 Winning the Manager of the month with a side at the bottom of the table as soon as he takes over means nothing because they still went down? Getting 96 points then going up through play offs means nothing because it was down to dodgy refs? And if you dont think that, youre up his arse? Has there ever been a more inappropriate use of the thinking emoji ? You're scraping the barrel there for reasons DM is a good manager Mom years ago just after he'd taken over at WBA! Probably motivated them all well and definitely wouldn't have had any time to get any of his ideas across! Getting Wednesday promoted playing crap football with way better players than the rest of the division and very nearly fooking that up. Very lucky in the second leg and final. I prefer to look at the big picture including the utter shyte that we have witnessed. There's no logic in comparing him with Corberan. Not a single similarity other than they both had shit runs. Unfortunately Darren's tenure so far has been one, long, shit run with no redeeming features whatsoever. Anyway it seems like he's all out of excuses so we'll see what happens now. My worry is we'll see a slight improvement but not enough to see us safe. I'm always prepared to clutch at straws but there aren't any. We haven't even been able to take a decent set piece since he's been here. 👏👏
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 19, 2024 13:44:19 GMT 1
You're scraping the barrel there for reasons DM is a good manager Mom years ago just after he'd taken over at WBA! Probably motivated them all well and definitely wouldn't have had any time to get any of his ideas across! Getting Wednesday promoted playing crap football with way better players than the rest of the division and very nearly fooking that up. Very lucky in the second leg and final. I prefer to look at the big picture including the utter shyte that we have witnessed. There's no logic in comparing him with Corberan. Not a single similarity other than they both had shit runs. Unfortunately Darren's tenure so far has been one, long, shit run with no redeeming features whatsoever. Anyway it seems like he's all out of excuses so we'll see what happens now. My worry is we'll see a slight improvement but not enough to see us safe. I'm always prepared to clutch at straws but there aren't any. We haven't even been able to take a decent set piece since he's been here. I dont think Im scraping any barrel at all...just pointing out that the suggestion hes never accomplished anything comparably good as what corboran did in the first half of 20/21 is utter bollocks on any level. Id say trying very hard to dismiss his managerial history as meaningless and worthless is scraping the barrel myself. There is no point comparing him with Corboran. There arent many similarities (Moore has achieved things that Corboran hasnt, but Corboran did well here in the end) , other than they have both shown they cant cope with a bad injury situation here. Hopefully there will be a similarity soon, in that when they were given a squad with decent strength they both got Town winning! Which isn't what I said anyway. You could see Carlos had something about him before the injuries hit. Moore has never shown that. His teams are always dour and unimaginative, like the man himself. You only have to look what the Baggies, Donny and Wendies fans have said about his sides.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jan 19, 2024 13:46:37 GMT 1
What is this next three games about? That is potentially 9 points wasted, which we cannot afford! Could make the difference come the end of the season. What has he done to deserve that chance? He has had the most spent on players in a January window for a long time ( bar the Premier League). Other than Balker ( who, if is a good as they are making out should not matter much) he has had plenty time with the new players, including Spencer. If all the new players are available then it has to be an obvious improvement tomorrow or get rid?? I said before Plymouth that I thought he'd be given the next 4 games to get at least 2 wins. The reasons being that new players need time to bed in but mainly because of the teams we are against in those 4, now 3, games - they are all in or around us or on a shocking run. As well as that, I think KN is proving to be a man of his word, his team decided that Moore was the man they wanted & I don't see KN as being a man to panic & he may well feel that he needs to see signs of more progressive football, with the new players he has provided, before firing DM. That being said, you are not a successful as KN without having a ruthless streak. I think he needs to see results in this "weaker" set of games, or a more attacking style at least, otherwise DM could be in trouble.... but that's just my opinion.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jan 19, 2024 13:51:56 GMT 1
I dont think Im scraping any barrel at all...just pointing out that the suggestion hes never accomplished anything comparably good as what corboran did in the first half of 20/21 is utter bollocks on any level. Id say trying very hard to dismiss his managerial history as meaningless and worthless is scraping the barrel myself. There is no point comparing him with Corboran. There arent many similarities (Moore has achieved things that Corboran hasnt, but Corboran did well here in the end) , other than they have both shown they cant cope with a bad injury situation here. Hopefully there will be a similarity soon, in that when they were given a squad with decent strength they both got Town winning! Which isn't what I said anyway. You could see Carlos had something about him before the injuries hit. Moore has never shown that. His teams are always dour and unimaginative, like the man himself. You only have to look what the Baggies, Donny and Wendies fans have said about his sides. It's obvious listening to Corberan that here is an intelligent, knowledgeable manager who basically knows his stuff. Before the PO Final, I listened to his and Steve Cooper's pre-match interviews. Whereas Cooper came out with the usual football manager speak, basically uttering total nonsense for 30 minutes, but with Corberan it was a football tactics masterclass. It was just a shame it all went wrong on the day.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jan 19, 2024 13:55:52 GMT 1
Which isn't what I said anyway. You could see Carlos had something about him before the injuries hit. Moore has never shown that. His teams are always dour and unimaginative, like the man himself. You only have to look what the Baggies, Donny and Wendies fans have said about his sides. It's obvious listening to Corberan that here is an intelligent, knowledgeable manager who basically knows his stuff. Before the PO Final, I listened to his and Steve Cooper's pre-match interviews. Whereas Cooper came out with the usual football manager speak, basically uttering total nonsense for 30 minutes, but with Corberan it was a football tactics masterclass. It was just a shame it all went wrong on the day. That team he put out was anything but a masterclass.
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 19, 2024 13:57:39 GMT 1
It's obvious listening to Corberan that here is an intelligent, knowledgeable manager who basically knows his stuff. Before the PO Final, I listened to his and Steve Cooper's pre-match interviews. Whereas Cooper came out with the usual football manager speak, basically uttering total nonsense for 30 minutes, but with Corberan it was a football tactics masterclass. It was just a shame it all went wrong on the day. That team he put out was anything but a masterclass. Eerily similar to Lee Clark back in 2011. Both managers bottled it.
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Post by mosher on Jan 19, 2024 14:02:55 GMT 1
It's obvious listening to Corberan that here is an intelligent, knowledgeable manager who basically knows his stuff. Before the PO Final, I listened to his and Steve Cooper's pre-match interviews. Whereas Cooper came out with the usual football manager speak, basically uttering total nonsense for 30 minutes, but with Corberan it was a football tactics masterclass. It was just a shame it all went wrong on the day. That team he put out was anything but a masterclass. That team he named was a disgrace, as soon as I saw the lineup I knew we weren't going to win. To have the officials then exacerbate it, then the florist fans' behaviour and the forest players' behaviour just made the whole experience one to forget. Wish I COULD forget it
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 19, 2024 14:10:51 GMT 1
That team he put out was anything but a masterclass. That team he named was a disgrace, as soon as I saw the lineup I knew we weren't going to win. To have the officials then exacerbate it, then the florist fans' behaviour and the forest players' behaviour just made the whole experience one to forget. Wish I COULD forget it It was a shit day from start to finish. Forest fans were completely different to how the Reading fans had been. Had some great chats before the game with Reading supporters whereas it was the complete opposite with Forest fans.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 19, 2024 14:23:56 GMT 1
That team he named was a disgrace, as soon as I saw the lineup I knew we weren't going to win. To have the officials then exacerbate it, then the florist fans' behaviour and the forest players' behaviour just made the whole experience one to forget. Wish I COULD forget it It was a shit day from start to finish. Forest fans were completely different to how the Reading fans had been. Had some great chats before the game with Reading supporters whereas it was the complete opposite with Forest fans. First big game in a generation for them. Amazing really for a club thats apparently huge.
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 19, 2024 14:25:55 GMT 1
It was a shit day from start to finish. Forest fans were completely different to how the Reading fans had been. Had some great chats before the game with Reading supporters whereas it was the complete opposite with Forest fans. First big game in a generation for them. Amazing really for a club thats apparently huge. There was some bloke spouting off in the first pub we went in, so I just asked if him Cloughie was still the manager as that was the last time they'd been relevant. Wanted to fight me for some reason?
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Post by mosher on Jan 19, 2024 14:38:21 GMT 1
First big game in a generation for them. Amazing really for a club thats apparently huge. There was some bloke spouting off in the first pub we went in, so I just asked if him Cloughie was still the manager as that was the last time they'd been relevant. Wanted to fight me for some reason? His tenure was the ONLY time they've been good. Prior to that it was County who were considered bigger iirc Bit of a parallel with Shitty/BPA there
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Post by Tango on Jan 19, 2024 14:52:42 GMT 1
There was some bloke spouting off in the first pub we went in, so I just asked if him Cloughie was still the manager as that was the last time they'd been relevant. Wanted to fight me for some reason? His tenure was the ONLY time they've been good. Prior to that it was County who were considered bigger iirc Bit of a parallel with Shitty/BPA there To be fair, we're not best placed to have a go at a club that's only done anything of note with one manager!
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Post by royrace on Jan 19, 2024 15:22:37 GMT 1
Warnock had no pre season 🤔 True,but he also had no pressure, a better squad and oncentrated on play out of possession and catching them on the break. Which DM has been criticised for when he's done it. No pressure??!!?? You're joking I think?! Jobs at stake, everyone relying on him, his reputation on the line. He looked as cool as a cucumber but beneath the surface there would have been huge pressure. You only had to look at his face when that first goal went in to see how much it meant. I've no idea why people want to denigrate what he achieved, it's fcking weird.
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Post by mosher on Jan 19, 2024 15:25:41 GMT 1
His tenure was the ONLY time they've been good. Prior to that it was County who were considered bigger iirc Bit of a parallel with Shitty/BPA there To be fair, we're not best placed to have a go at a club that's only done anything of note with one manager! Literal LOL in the office, strange looks from boss
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 19, 2024 15:25:43 GMT 1
I dont think Im scraping any barrel at all...just pointing out that the suggestion hes never accomplished anything comparably good as what corboran did in the first half of 20/21 is utter bollocks on any level. Id say trying very hard to dismiss his managerial history as meaningless and worthless is scraping the barrel myself. There is no point comparing him with Corboran. There arent many similarities (Moore has achieved things that Corboran hasnt, but Corboran did well here in the end) , other than they have both shown they cant cope with a bad injury situation here. Hopefully there will be a similarity soon, in that when they were given a squad with decent strength they both got Town winning! Which isn't what I said anyway. You could see Carlos had something about him before the injuries hit. Moore has never shown that. His teams are always dour and unimaginative, like the man himself. You only have to look what the Baggies, Donny and Wendies fans have said about his sides. So his Sheff Wed side were dour and unimaginative whilst they got 96 points last season? His WBA side were in the play offs all season boring their fans rigid were they? I dont recall Corboran having 'something about him' that season..other than perhaps a magical effect on Koroma who was almost single handedly earning us a lot of points with some outstanding displays. We were doing ok in upper mid table, ...you talk like we were tearing the division apart. Most of that season he looked a bit clueless IMO, frantically waving his arms about on the touchline at a team who clearly didnt have a clue what he was wanting them to do, and doing incoherent interviews on the radio. And he had a lot more players available back then than Moores had recently.. Give Moore a striker or two worth actually having and see what he can do IMO, because so far hes been managing with his hands tied behind his back.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 19, 2024 15:28:24 GMT 1
His tenure was the ONLY time they've been good. Prior to that it was County who were considered bigger iirc Bit of a parallel with Shitty/BPA there To be fair, we're not best placed to have a go at a club that's only done anything of note with one manager! Difference is Town fans don't claim that having a trophy laden 5-10 year spell makes us a massive club in 2024. In fact loads of town fans go out of there way to tell everyone how small we are instead. And in modern footballing terms 1980 is about as relevant as 1920.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 19, 2024 15:33:55 GMT 1
True,but he also had no pressure, a better squad and oncentrated on play out of possession and catching them on the break. Which DM has been criticised for when he's done it. No pressure??!!?? You're joking I think?! Jobs at stake, everyone relying on him, his reputation on the line. He looked as cool as a cucumber but beneath the surface there would have been huge pressure. You only had to look at his face when that first goal went in to see how much it meant. I've no idea why people want to denigrate what he achieved, it's fcking weird. Nobody denigrating what he achieved last season. Its all in your head. He wasnt under any real pressure. Most thought us already down so he wasnt going to lose any reputation or get any blame if we did go down, but if he kept us up his reputation would be enhanced no end. It was a win -win situation for him in that respect. How does stating that obvious situation denigrate what he achieved? When Moore took over WBA with a month to go and they were bottom of the PL needing snookers, does them going down anyway denigrate his achievement of earning the MOTM award for April or put blame on him for the relegation? (Apart from on here obviously!)
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jan 19, 2024 15:57:15 GMT 1
TBH I couldn't give two fucks what Moore did at Wendies or WBA. I only care about what he's achieving here. And so far, he's hugely underachieving both in terms of results and the impact on our playing style.
If anything, it's possibly only his record on paper at previous clubs that has kept him in the job - as many have pointed out his record compares unfavourably with Buzz and there are only two real differences - one has a track record, the other doesn't, and with Buzz we had no idea what he was saying, whereas with Moore, he has no idea what he's saying.
Tomorrow is now huge for him - new signings at his disposal in critical areas. It will do one of two things - prove that he's been boxing with one hand tied behind his back and is now free to kick on, or proof that he has no fucking idea what he's doing. I pray it's the former, but suspect it'll be the latter.
Either way, I'll be at Ewood as I've nowt better to do.
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 19, 2024 16:32:28 GMT 1
There wasn't any pressure on Warnock at all. But that doesn't take away the massive achievement.
Similarly, there wasn't any pressure on Corberan in 2021-22 either, as the new signings had already been written off on here before a ball was kicked and the squad was frequently labelled a League One squad.
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Post by King Neil on Jan 19, 2024 16:47:45 GMT 1
TBH I couldn't give two fucks what Moore did at Wendies or WBA. I only care about what he's achieving here. And so far, he's hugely underachieving both in terms of results and the impact on our playing style. If anything, it's possibly only his record on paper at previous clubs that has kept him in the job - as many have pointed out his record compares unfavourably with Buzz and there are only two real differences - one has a track record, the other doesn't, and with Buzz we had no idea what he was saying, whereas with Moore, he has no idea what he's saying. Tomorrow is now huge for him - new signings at his disposal in critical areas. It will do one of two things - prove that he's been boxing with one hand tied behind his back and is now free to kick on, or proof that he has no fucking idea what he's doing. I pray it's the former, but suspect it'll be the latter. Either way, I'll be at Ewood as I've nowt better to do. The next excuse will be that the new player's need time to settle in! We got 14 wins last season and only just survived...so we need another 9 wins to equal last seasons tally! We won't get 9 draws let alone 9 wins with dm in charge even if we had signed harry kane
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Post by Wingman on Jan 19, 2024 16:49:37 GMT 1
Wish mods would do their “job” and move all these comments to the DM thread. Everything’s mixed up these days. Yeah, it’s not as if they have personal lives, jobs, & kids. Lazy fookers. They should be on here 24/7 with a fine tooth comb on every thread checking and moving posts. Tell you what, if we did there’d be a hell of a lot more folk getting little holidays from the forum. Careful what you wish for! 😂
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Post by royrace on Jan 19, 2024 16:52:42 GMT 1
No pressure??!!?? You're joking I think?! Jobs at stake, everyone relying on him, his reputation on the line. He looked as cool as a cucumber but beneath the surface there would have been huge pressure. You only had to look at his face when that first goal went in to see how much it meant. I've no idea why people want to denigrate what he achieved, it's fcking weird. Nobody denigrating what he achieved last season. Its all in your head. He wasnt under any real pressure. Most thought us already down so he wasnt going to lose any reputation or get any blame if we did go down, but if he kept us up his reputation would be enhanced no end. It was a win -win situation for him in that respect. How does stating that obvious situation denigrate what he achieved? When Moore took over WBA with a month to go and they were bottom of the PL needing snookers, does them going down anyway denigrate his achievement of earning the MOTM award for April or put blame on him for the relegation? (Apart from on here obviously!) You're right, I agree, black is white
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Post by mosher on Jan 19, 2024 16:53:49 GMT 1
Wish mods would do their “job” and move all these comments to the DM thread. Everything’s mixed up these days. Yeah, it’s not as if they have personal lives, jobs, & kids. Lazy fookers. They should be on here 24/7 with a fine tooth comb on every thread checking and moving posts. Tell you what, if we did there’d be a hell of a lot more folk getting little holidays from the forum. Careful what you wish for! 😂 Yeah, anyone would think you were doing this unpaid in your own time
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Post by townarentbest on Jan 19, 2024 16:57:59 GMT 1
And so far, he's hugely underachieving both in terms of results and the impact on our playing style. The challenge I have is that I don't think this bit is true. He's pretty much maintained the same kind of results that the second most experienced football manager in the world was getting this season, and with a squad that has been weakened. I think we're pretty much where we should be in terms of realistic expectation with the players we've had available across this season. And thats why DM is still in the job. With an apparently strengthened squad and presumably they're not finished yet - he now has to spend the next few months demonstrating he's the right man for next season - it would be very harsh to chop him now, despite the results 🤷♂️
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 19, 2024 17:14:23 GMT 1
And so far, he's hugely underachieving both in terms of results and the impact on our playing style. The challenge I have is that I don't think this bit is true. He's pretty much maintained the same kind of results that the second most experienced football manager in the world was getting this season, and with a squad that has been weakened. I think we're pretty much where we should be in terms of realistic expectation with the players we've had available across this season. And thats why DM is still in the job. With an apparently strengthened squad and presumably they're not finished yet - he now has to spend the next few months demonstrating he's the right man for next season - it would be very harsh to chop him now, despite the results 🤷♂️ Wouldn't be harsh in the slightest.
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