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Post by runner76 on Feb 13, 2024 9:14:21 GMT 1
Sure Stop reading Everything It would be funny if it wasn’t so willfully off Hope you’re teasing Will Still. What an appointment that would be I’d lower expectations! A young and upcoming manager doing great with a team really on the up and chasing great things in France is not going to come to a club at the foot of the English second tier, surely? That makes no sense at all….
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 13, 2024 9:28:06 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous.
I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process.
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Post by King Neil on Feb 13, 2024 9:37:14 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous. I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process. You don't need to know anything right now As soon as there is news we will be told
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Post by rockwall on Feb 13, 2024 9:38:53 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous. I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process. What right do we have to know their process?
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Post by bullard on Feb 13, 2024 9:40:26 GMT 1
As Dave is in the ear of Kevin and is participating on this thread, rather than speculate on the manager situation which is already in hand. Maybe we can use it to raise another point to feed back to Kevin (which we can also tie into the manager topic). Next season's Season ticket prices. Sheff Wed and Boro have just released theirs and the prices are an absolute joke! We have benefitted from excellent value and cheap season tickets for a few years now. We should be and are grateful for this. I think I speak for most fans when I say we expect/realise they will rise in price for next year. But this has to be done with great care from the club. I understand if we want to compete higher up the league then we need to increase our revenue and without the stadium ownership, these are a big part of what we can bring in. I know I'm also stating the obvious when I say you will sell a lot more at say £350 than you will at £500 (and you guys will be aware of this), but remember when you came over and you were impressed by the atmosphere. Well in the premier league the atmosphere was twice as good. This was from more fans in the ground due to the feel good factor and the excellent priced and value season tickets. Need to consider the non financial impact it can have too. Ok so how can we tie this into the manager topic. Well the manager before the promotion was called Chris Powell and he was very negative and boring to watch. Constantly playing up the fact we had no budget and were a small club. This attitude is appalling and pissed a lot of fans off and the club has continued that mantra to an extent. This drove fans away and many didnt renew until Wagner came in and got the good feeling and 'no limits' mantra going. although that didn't last long. In the 2nd year again, we were constantly told we're lucky to compete again etc. So when choosing the new manager please, please take this onboard. Make the prices affordable and get everybody behind us. Look at the Southampton game. We went at them and nearly beat a premier league team in waiting. We can compete and should be striving to compete not just turn up and think ourselves lucky to be there! Sorry, rant over. Hear, hear! It’s been something I’ve been proud of the club for, making it affordable for the community the clubs in. I’ve a 5 year old lad and he’s mad for it, he’s various kits etc because his season ticket was £40. The clubs had probably another £150 from me, cause he’s whole heartedly invested, if the cost was akin to Boro’s he wouldn’t likely have had the opportunity to go as much, as when he wasn’t certain about going to begin with, I wouldn’t have been investing in a season ticket at that point.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 13, 2024 9:45:48 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous. I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process. Here's a few more ideas along similar lines ... - Have cameras live in the manager interviews and allow some of our more 'special' fans to ask a few questions - As well as exposing (and possibly compromising) those being interviewed, also publicise other targets so that other clubs are made aware of any they hadn't already thought of. - Have a 'live cam' on Kevin's head that fans can watch 24 hours a day so we know exactly what he's saying and doing, especially when he's interviewing candidates, discussing them afterwards, having dinner and having a shit.
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Post by King Neil on Feb 13, 2024 9:50:11 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous. I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process. Here's a few more ideas along similar lines ... - Have cameras live in the manager interviews and allow some of our more 'special' fans to ask a few questions - As well as exposing (and possibly compromising) those being interviewed, also publicise other targets so that other clubs are made aware of any they hadn't already thought of. - Have a 'live cam' on Kevin's head that fans can watch 24 hours a day so we know exactly what he's saying and doing, especially when he's interviewing candidates, discussing them afterwards, having dinner and having a shit. 🤣🤣
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Post by King Neil on Feb 13, 2024 9:54:19 GMT 1
And please let us know what time kev goes to bed every evening and what he has for breakfast
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Post by ldotm on Feb 13, 2024 9:55:32 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous. I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process. 😂😂😂
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Post by dugnet on Feb 13, 2024 9:56:27 GMT 1
As Dave is in the ear of Kevin and is participating on this thread, rather than speculate on the manager situation which is already in hand. Maybe we can use it to raise another point to feed back to Kevin (which we can also tie into the manager topic). Next season's Season ticket prices. Sheff Wed and Boro have just released theirs and the prices are an absolute joke! We have benefitted from excellent value and cheap season tickets for a few years now. We should be and are grateful for this. I think I speak for most fans when I say we expect/realise they will rise in price for next year. But this has to be done with great care from the club. I understand if we want to compete higher up the league then we need to increase our revenue and without the stadium ownership, these are a big part of what we can bring in. I know I'm also stating the obvious when I say you will sell a lot more at say £350 than you will at £500 (and you guys will be aware of this), but remember when you came over and you were impressed by the atmosphere. Well in the premier league the atmosphere was twice as good. This was from more fans in the ground due to the feel good factor and the excellent priced and value season tickets. Need to consider the non financial impact it can have too. Ok so how can we tie this into the manager topic. Well the manager before the promotion was called Chris Powell and he was very negative and boring to watch. Constantly playing up the fact we had no budget and were a small club. This attitude is appalling and pissed a lot of fans off and the club has continued that mantra to an extent. This drove fans away and many didnt renew until Wagner came in and got the good feeling and 'no limits' mantra going. although that didn't last long. In the 2nd year again, we were constantly told we're lucky to compete again etc. So when choosing the new manager please, please take this onboard. Make the prices affordable and get everybody behind us. Look at the Southampton game. We went at them and nearly beat a premier league team in waiting. We can compete and should be striving to compete not just turn up and think ourselves lucky to be there! Sorry, rant over. Don't apologise it is a fair message and encapsulates the problem of the message we have been fed. I expect prices to increase but it can be almost anything if we don't get something to believe in and get behind then people won't buy them. The excuse that we shouldn't have expected any better because we pay a low price is borderline insulting.
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Feb 13, 2024 10:01:44 GMT 1
Regarding season passes I'd reasonably expect a 30% raise on Adults. I would look at some really attractive family offers not only to keep them coming but attract others. Although still cheap in comparison to other clubs any rise has to be incremental. And the dilemma of making the announcement & which league we are in?
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Post by Detective Boyle on Feb 13, 2024 10:17:22 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous. I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process. Here's a few more ideas along similar lines ... - Have cameras live in the manager interviews and allow some of our more 'special' fans to ask a few questions - As well as exposing (and possibly compromising) those being interviewed, also publicise other targets so that other clubs are made aware of any they hadn't already thought of. - Have a 'live cam' on Kevin's head that fans can watch 24 hours a day so we know exactly what he's saying and doing, especially when he's interviewing candidates, discussing them afterwards, having dinner and having a shit. I’m desperate to know whether Kev wipes his arse in an upward or downward motion. This continuous craving for communication when it’s not needed is just ridiculous.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 13, 2024 10:30:55 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous. I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process. What right do we have to know their process? It's called engagement. An organisation benefits from engagement by gaining trust, loyalty and new customers. We really are shockingly bad at building our brand and our engagement could be improved.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 13, 2024 10:34:49 GMT 1
I know you were helping KN with communications but you really need to help the club. Communication has been poor for years but to be silent about the process these last two weeks is ridiculous. I'd have loved the club to be open and transparent about what each stage of the process looked like and involved, they could have done it as a YouTube type diary thing. Loads of fans not just ours would have been interested. You could have done a run through of each part after the candidates had gone through it so as not to affect the integrity of the process. Here's a few more ideas along similar lines ... - Have cameras live in the manager interviews and allow some of our more 'special' fans to ask a few questions - As well as exposing (and possibly compromising) those being interviewed, also publicise other targets so that other clubs are made aware of any they hadn't already thought of. - Have a 'live cam' on Kevin's head that fans can watch 24 hours a day so we know exactly what he's saying and doing, especially when he's interviewing candidates, discussing them afterwards, having dinner and having a shit. Quite difficult to reply without being rude. Somehow you managed it. Congrats. I'm talking about a insight video into what a process looks like. Not the actual process as it happens but to give a run through of what's going on at the club at a time like this and what the stages consist of. I even said that so you wouldn't expose any of the candidates. Don't let the fact that you either didn't read or can't understand stop you trying to insult though or being obnoxious. You are doing a great job 👍🏼
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Post by royrace on Feb 13, 2024 10:40:06 GMT 1
Regarding season passes I'd reasonably expect a 30% raise on Adults. I would look at some really attractive family offers not only to keep them coming but attract others. Although still cheap in comparison to other clubs any rise has to be incremental. And the dilemma of making the announcement & which league we are in? Absolutely, got to make it easier to attract new fans and kids/young adults. I think most of us would be accepting of a sensible price rise especially if the club is making good decisions and we're not in league one. Bring back the friend for a fiver/tenner offer for a kick off and make it cheap for kids(and their families)/students/young people.
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Post by crux on Feb 13, 2024 10:51:02 GMT 1
Regarding season passes I'd reasonably expect a 30% raise on Adults. I would look at some really attractive family offers not only to keep them coming but attract others. Although still cheap in comparison to other clubs any rise has to be incremental. And the dilemma of making the announcement & which league we are in? Absolutely, got to make it easier to attract new fans and kids/young adults. I think most of us would be accepting of a sensible price rise especially if the club is making good decisions and we're not in league one. Bring back the friend for a fiver/tenner offer for a kick off and make it cheap for kids(and their families)/students/young people. Make the OAP rate kick in at 60 again! It moved to 65 just before I turned 60 🤣. I know there isn't really one at the moment for season tickets, but if they put the prices up I wouldn't want anyone to be priced out of coming.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 13, 2024 11:16:48 GMT 1
To be honest I'll buy a season ticket at a price that reflects the ambition and product I'm going to watch but also respects the fans. We're coming off the back of 5 relegation battles out of 6 and a chronic under investment in the club. This is not KNs fault but its a legacy he has bought into. Hiking prices at this point when we are still in the mire isn't showing respect to the fans, even if there is the intention to invest in the summer. I do think however that a progressive managerial appointment would convince a lot of fans to accept a proportionate increase and build trust in the clubs plans going forward.
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Post by runner76 on Feb 13, 2024 11:20:55 GMT 1
What right do we have to know their process? It's called engagement. An organisation benefits from engagement by gaining trust, loyalty and new customers. We really are shockingly bad at building our brand and our engagement could be improved. Feels like we have more engagement than ever from the owner of the club right now......not sure how much more you want!
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Post by detox on Feb 13, 2024 11:21:29 GMT 1
Regarding season passes I'd reasonably expect a 30% raise on Adults. I would look at some really attractive family offers not only to keep them coming but attract others. Although still cheap in comparison to other clubs any rise has to be incremental. And the dilemma of making the announcement & which league we are in? Most folk, and families have suffered and continue to suffer horrendous inflation...energy prices, shop prices, mortgages/rents all going up astronomically.. Tax free allowances have been frozen for years so we're all paying more tax than ever, . I'm not sure a 30% increase in price to watch football will go down well with a lot of fans. Even now our 'actual' attendances are averaging some 6,000 less than the recorded gate figures so a third of fans have already stopped going even having paid for a SC...It's likely many of those have already decided not to renew next season and a 30% price hike would make their minds up for them.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 13, 2024 11:25:23 GMT 1
The same folk that demand massive investment from the owner are the ones who will whinge the most when the prices go up for season tickets. I'd pay 400 plus to watch a decent team every week rather than our usual dross.
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Post by detox on Feb 13, 2024 11:30:16 GMT 1
The same folk that demand massive investment from the owner are the ones who will whinge the most when the prices go up for season tickets. I'd pay 400 plus to watch a decent team every week rather than our usual dross. It's a pity you seem to be targetting fans that simply cannot afford ...perhaps the club could offer reduced pricing for people on benefits, then you can pay £600 because you can afford, and the poorer folk could pay£200 which they could 'possibly' afford ? win win ?
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Post by goodbet on Feb 13, 2024 11:36:01 GMT 1
We have known over the last few years that when we bought season tickets that the club would be selling off anyone they can get money for and the replacements would be lower league development players. Some of these players are doing OK for us now after a season or so of development, I think that those who can would be happy to pay more for a season ticket if the investment policy changed.
We have had a terrible summer and January was a step in the right direction, but not quite the championship ready players we were hoping for.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Feb 13, 2024 11:46:51 GMT 1
Those saying they'd pay a 30% increase clearly aren't suffering as much as some of us.
I wouldn't be renewing after watching us finish 21st for that price
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Post by twyford on Feb 13, 2024 11:48:18 GMT 1
As Dave is in the ear of Kevin and is participating on this thread, rather than speculate on the manager situation which is already in hand. Maybe we can use it to raise another point to feed back to Kevin (which we can also tie into the manager topic). Next season's Season ticket prices. Sheff Wed and Boro have just released theirs and the prices are an absolute joke! We have benefitted from excellent value and cheap season tickets for a few years now. We should be and are grateful for this. I think I speak for most fans when I say we expect/realise they will rise in price for next year. But this has to be done with great care from the club. I understand if we want to compete higher up the league then we need to increase our revenue and without the stadium ownership, these are a big part of what we can bring in. I know I'm also stating the obvious when I say you will sell a lot more at say £350 than you will at £500 (and you guys will be aware of this), but remember when you came over and you were impressed by the atmosphere. Well in the premier league the atmosphere was twice as good. This was from more fans in the ground due to the feel good factor and the excellent priced and value season tickets. Need to consider the non financial impact it can have too. Ok so how can we tie this into the manager topic. Well the manager before the promotion was called Chris Powell and he was very negative and boring to watch. Constantly playing up the fact we had no budget and were a small club. This attitude is appalling and pissed a lot of fans off and the club has continued that mantra to an extent. This drove fans away and many didnt renew until Wagner came in and got the good feeling and 'no limits' mantra going. although that didn't last long. In the 2nd year again, we were constantly told we're lucky to compete again etc. So when choosing the new manager please, please take this onboard. Make the prices affordable and get everybody behind us. Look at the Southampton game. We went at them and nearly beat a premier league team in waiting. We can compete and should be striving to compete not just turn up and think ourselves lucky to be there! Sorry, rant over. Hear, hear! It’s been something I’ve been proud of the club for, making it affordable for the community the clubs in. I’ve a 5 year old lad and he’s mad for it, he’s various kits etc because his season ticket was £40. The clubs had probably another £150 from me, cause he’s whole heartedly invested, if the cost was akin to Boro’s he wouldn’t likely have had the opportunity to go as much, as when he wasn’t certain about going to begin with, I wouldn’t have been investing in a season ticket at that point. Agree with the sentiment of your first point. I think I'm right in saying though that the club benefits more from season ticket sales as it is (practically) all gross profit where there is a cost of sales element to take into account with merchandise sales. I've no idea what the mark up at the shop is but say the club has to pay the supplier half of the sales price to do a simple calculation then in your scenario the club gets net income of £115 (£40 + £75 from the kit sales). If it put the season ticket up to £90 for your son and you only spent £100 in the shop (as you still didn't want to spend more than £190) the net income for the club would be £140 (£90 + £50). Of course the unenviable task is getting the right balance as if you don't buy the season ticket in the first place you won't be visiting the shop at all.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 13, 2024 11:52:49 GMT 1
Here's a few more ideas along similar lines ... - Have cameras live in the manager interviews and allow some of our more 'special' fans to ask a few questions - As well as exposing (and possibly compromising) those being interviewed, also publicise other targets so that other clubs are made aware of any they hadn't already thought of. - Have a 'live cam' on Kevin's head that fans can watch 24 hours a day so we know exactly what he's saying and doing, especially when he's interviewing candidates, discussing them afterwards, having dinner and having a shit. Quite difficult to reply without being rude. Somehow you managed it. Congrats. I'm talking about a insight video into what a process looks like. Not the actual process as it happens but to give a run through of what's going on at the club at a time like this and what the stages consist of. I even said that so you wouldn't expose any of the candidates. Don't let the fact that you either didn't read or can't understand stop you trying to insult though or being obnoxious. You are doing a great job 👍🏼 Oh come on. In what reality did you think that you could post what you posted and not get ripped for it. We have by a country mile, the most open and communicative ownership we've had in modern times, and yet you're still asking for more. It makes zero sense on any level, to divulge to the fanbase the details of the process of finding a new manager, especially when that process is ongoing, if you can't see how obvious that is then I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 13, 2024 11:57:52 GMT 1
Hear, hear! It’s been something I’ve been proud of the club for, making it affordable for the community the clubs in. I’ve a 5 year old lad and he’s mad for it, he’s various kits etc because his season ticket was £40. The clubs had probably another £150 from me, cause he’s whole heartedly invested, if the cost was akin to Boro’s he wouldn’t likely have had the opportunity to go as much, as when he wasn’t certain about going to begin with, I wouldn’t have been investing in a season ticket at that point. Agree with the sentiment of your first point. I think I'm right in saying though that the club benefits more from season ticket sales as it is (practically) all gross profit where there is a cost of sales element to take into account with merchandise sales. I've no idea what the mark up at the shop is but say the club has to pay the supplier half of the sales price to do a simple calculation then in your scenario the club gets net income of £115 (£40 + £75 from the kit sales). If it put the season ticket up to £90 for your son and you only spent £100 in the shop (as you still didn't want to spend more than £190) the net income for the club would be £140 (£90 + £50). Of course the unenviable task is getting the right balance as if you don't buy the season ticket in the first place you won't be visiting the shop at all. This is the dilema for the club, once they get past a certain figure on season ticket sales the rest is profit, but it's the balance between that and the drop off in numbers. Also weighing into it are the higher numbers of people who will then buy from the shop, the food outlets etc ... (Food outlets used to be leased and I'm not sure if we got a cut but things may have changed) There needs to be a balance to keep things ticking over, but also to provide more customers for the other areas. Most importantly they need it to be cheap enough that the future fans get brought along and introduced. That's the one area that's non-flexible, if they don't do that the future fan base dwindles very quickly.
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Post by twyford on Feb 13, 2024 12:06:00 GMT 1
The same folk that demand massive investment from the owner are the ones who will whinge the most when the prices go up for season tickets. I'd pay 400 plus to watch a decent team every week rather than our usual dross. It's a pity you seem to be targetting fans that simply cannot afford ...perhaps the club could offer reduced pricing for people on benefits, then you can pay £600 because you can afford, and the poorer folk could pay£200 which they could 'possibly' afford ? win win ? I noticed that when the club reopened the lower tier of the North stand it reintroduced differential pricing in that tickets in that part of the ground were cheaper for any particular match than a one off ticket elsewhere in the stadium. I hope that this isn't a forerunner of introducing a host of different price point and match categories again (particularly the premium it had on match day sales which always seemed to be counter productive to me). While I'm generally in favour of the simple pricing structure we had at the start of this season I can see the benefit in having the one cheaper stand to provide an offering that is affordable to as many as possible.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 13, 2024 12:07:00 GMT 1
30% increase I actaully think this would be the minimum, I think it could be closer to 50% and even then we would be one of the lowest if not the lowest prices championship club (guessing we stay in the champ). we have had it too good on pricing for too long and now that creates another problem. I would be looking to give something back with the inevatable increase. - Club shop voucher or discount voucher with ever season ticket say a loyilty discount for season ticket holders 10% on all club shop items (proof of ID required to take advantage and no limit to usage or spend) - 10% off all food and drink purchased in the stadium or assoicated bars (again proof of ID required, as long as it doesnt slow the service) - 2 free Giants tickets (and reverse this with Giants to try and bring both more together) - Away ticket priorty - Family ticket discounts (if buying 1 adult 2 kids, or 2 adults 2 kids for example) encourge more younger fans, and more wifes / mums to the games. - Kids pack includes some free gifts ( etc) Most of the above will actually bring more income to the club as people may spend more in shops etc, and really doesnt cost the club a lot. I think selling more than a season ticket and giving more benifits can only help with income streams to the club. People who say they wont pay the increases will be a small number and they need to understand how lucky they have been over the years,
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 13, 2024 12:11:58 GMT 1
4 wins in 15 home games, paid up season card holders have stopped going in their thousands and people are talking about a 30% increase in prices?
You surely need to provide some form of entertainment to justify 30% price hikes. This season has been anything but entertaining.
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Post by twyford on Feb 13, 2024 12:15:27 GMT 1
Regarding season passes I'd reasonably expect a 30% raise on Adults. I would look at some really attractive family offers not only to keep them coming but attract others. Although still cheap in comparison to other clubs any rise has to be incremental. And the dilemma of making the announcement & which league we are in? Not sure what the actual season ticket price currently is - I paid £249 for this season but I think that is because I didn't ask for a refund during Covid and qualified for a 3(?) season price freeze. I think this is the final season for that arrangement so will already be getting a hike to align with current prices before any increase is implemented for next season.
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