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Post by andyboothscat on Feb 13, 2024 12:26:56 GMT 1
Regarding season passes I'd reasonably expect a 30% raise on Adults. I would look at some really attractive family offers not only to keep them coming but attract others. Although still cheap in comparison to other clubs any rise has to be incremental. And the dilemma of making the announcement & which league we are in? Not sure what the actual season ticket price currently is - I paid £249 for this season but I think that is because I didn't ask for a refund during Covid and qualified for a 3(?) season price freeze. I think this is the final season for that arrangement so will already be getting a hike to align with current prices before any increase is implemented for next season. It was indeed the last year of that price promise but in the end they actually charged that as the standard adult price for everyone anyway this season.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 13, 2024 12:27:58 GMT 1
What right do we have to know their process? It's called engagement. An organisation benefits from engagement by gaining trust, loyalty and new customers. We really are shockingly bad at building our brand and our engagement could be improved. I really don't know if you're being serious here or not. But in all honesty do you really think any club in the world showcases their interview process? There are some things that need to be kept private, and this is one of them. If you really feel we need to know, then you are living in cuckoo land.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 13, 2024 12:32:39 GMT 1
What the club have to understand is, the product on the field bar one year , since the premier league days has being shocking. Therefore if you want to put the prices up, that is far enough , but the product on the field has to match this increase for people to want to watch it. If Nagle matches his talk of ambition to get to the premier league, by signings and a quaility manager to get the best out of said signings, then people will pay to watch. Even at a low price people will find something else to do, if the quaility being paid for just isn't there. As a poster said above 4 home wins this season, is that really worth the price we have paid for this year? i would suggest not, therefore it has to be part of the plan , to increase results outcomes to price highering if that is to be the case.
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 13, 2024 12:38:48 GMT 1
30% increase I actaully think this would be the minimum, I think it could be closer to 50% and even then we would be one of the lowest if not the lowest prices championship club (guessing we stay in the champ). we have had it too good on pricing for too long and now that creates another problem. I would be looking to give something back with the inevatable increase. - Club shop voucher or discount voucher with ever season ticket say a loyilty discount for season ticket holders 10% on all club shop items (proof of ID required to take advantage and no limit to usage or spend) - 10% off all food and drink purchased in the stadium or assoicated bars (again proof of ID required, as long as it doesnt slow the service) - 2 free Giants tickets (and reverse this with Giants to try and bring both more together) - Away ticket priorty - Family ticket discounts (if buying 1 adult 2 kids, or 2 adults 2 kids for example) encourge more younger fans, and more wifes / mums to the games. - Kids pack includes some free gifts ( etc) Most of the above will actually bring more income to the club as people may spend more in shops etc, and really doesnt cost the club a lot. I think selling more than a season ticket and giving more benifits can only help with income streams to the club. People who say they wont pay the increases will be a small number and they need to understand how lucky they have been over the years, Pay more, semi-justified by getting some things cheaper, none of which I want or would pay a penny for ? Don't think so!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2024 12:45:32 GMT 1
I don't believe that the 90 minutes of a football match is a "product" You can't shop for a better product like you can in the high street or online.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 13, 2024 12:52:01 GMT 1
The same folk that demand massive investment from the owner are the ones who will whinge the most when the prices go up for season tickets. I'd pay 400 plus to watch a decent team every week rather than our usual dross. It's a pity you seem to be targetting fans that simply cannot afford ...perhaps the club could offer reduced pricing for people on benefits, then you can pay £600 because you can afford, and the poorer folk could pay£200 which they could 'possibly' afford ? win win ? Well I think the club should run initiatives for people worse off but there is no divine right to afford a season ticket and they have a business to run, pick and choose your games if you can't afford. The reality is FFP will always limit us in our spending if we stick to the low prices, the club needs more revenue and we are it's customers and main source of revenue
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 13, 2024 12:55:57 GMT 1
As Dave is in the ear of Kevin and is participating on this thread, rather than speculate on the manager situation which is already in hand. Maybe we can use it to raise another point to feed back to Kevin (which we can also tie into the manager topic). Next season's Season ticket prices. Sheff Wed and Boro have just released theirs and the prices are an absolute joke! We have benefitted from excellent value and cheap season tickets for a few years now. We should be and are grateful for this. I think I speak for most fans when I say we expect/realise they will rise in price for next year. But this has to be done with great care from the club. I understand if we want to compete higher up the league then we need to increase our revenue and without the stadium ownership, these are a big part of what we can bring in. I know I'm also stating the obvious when I say you will sell a lot more at say £350 than you will at £500 (and you guys will be aware of this), but remember when you came over and you were impressed by the atmosphere. Well in the premier league the atmosphere was twice as good. This was from more fans in the ground due to the feel good factor and the excellent priced and value season tickets. Need to consider the non financial impact it can have too. Ok so how can we tie this into the manager topic. Well the manager before the promotion was called Chris Powell and he was very negative and boring to watch. Constantly playing up the fact we had no budget and were a small club. This attitude is appalling and pissed a lot of fans off and the club has continued that mantra to an extent. This drove fans away and many didnt renew until Wagner came in and got the good feeling and 'no limits' mantra going. although that didn't last long. In the 2nd year again, we were constantly told we're lucky to compete again etc. So when choosing the new manager please, please take this onboard. Make the prices affordable and get everybody behind us. Look at the Southampton game. We went at them and nearly beat a premier league team in waiting. We can compete and should be striving to compete not just turn up and think ourselves lucky to be there! Sorry, rant over. Ticket price hikes have been mentioned to Kevin directly at the two previous fan meetings. The last one, I attended and made the point myself vociferously that price increases especially in this current financial climate and the fact that the product hasn’t improved would be a bad move. Based on everything I saw and heard at the fan meetings, I’ll be staggered if there isn’t a price increase. I’d bet that it’ll be £350+ with categories also complicating matters. One fan mentioned that he was quite happy to pay a lot more if it meant better players coming in. Whilst that may be the case, it needs mentioning that what’s affordable for you isn’t necessarily affordable for the majority. Also, myself included in this, the club must not assume that all Town fans live in Huddersfield. You’ll be surprised how many travel from afar to home games. Work opportunities aren’t as great in Huddersfield as other places so quite often a lot of us live far away. Affordable simplistic pricing is the best way to go about it however I have a feeling that this board don’t see it the same. When you buy a season ticket, you aren’t just investing with your money, you’re investing your time into the club too. Just because some clubs like Boro have ramped their prices up, doesn’t mean we should or like Kevin Nagle explained to me that Rochdale charge more than we do…. What other clubs do is their business. All I care about is what Town do. Make it affordable for as many as possible, don’t price working class fans, families and community out.
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Post by mosher on Feb 13, 2024 13:03:21 GMT 1
30% increase I actaully think this would be the minimum, I think it could be closer to 50% and even then we would be one of the lowest if not the lowest prices championship club (guessing we stay in the champ). we have had it too good on pricing for too long and now that creates another problem. I would be looking to give something back with the inevatable increase. - Club shop voucher or discount voucher with ever season ticket say a loyilty discount for season ticket holders 10% on all club shop items (proof of ID required to take advantage and no limit to usage or spend) - 10% off all food and drink purchased in the stadium or assoicated bars (again proof of ID required, as long as it doesnt slow the service) - 2 free Giants tickets (and reverse this with Giants to try and bring both more together) - Away ticket priorty - Family ticket discounts (if buying 1 adult 2 kids, or 2 adults 2 kids for example) encourge more younger fans, and more wifes / mums to the games. - Kids pack includes some free gifts ( etc) Most of the above will actually bring more income to the club as people may spend more in shops etc, and really doesnt cost the club a lot. I think selling more than a season ticket and giving more benifits can only help with income streams to the club. People who say they wont pay the increases will be a small number and they need to understand how lucky they have been over the years, Pay more, semi-justified by getting some things cheaper, none of which I want or would pay a penny for ? Don't think so! Much as castlehill appears to be a bullshitter, this is a good idea, despite your personal misgivings. Plenty of people WOULD like those kind of offers; I used to use nearly all the vouchers we used to get in with our ST, spending on other stuff alongside the vouchered stuff. It was usually only the eggchasing Dwarves-associated stuff that didn't get used. It's the same premise as supermarkets using loss-leaders. People will buy the cheaper/on-offer product, but will also buy other stuff on top of that. It's an enticement and one Town USED to use pretty well IMO
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 13, 2024 13:04:53 GMT 1
As Dave is in the ear of Kevin and is participating on this thread, rather than speculate on the manager situation which is already in hand. Maybe we can use it to raise another point to feed back to Kevin (which we can also tie into the manager topic). Next season's Season ticket prices. Sheff Wed and Boro have just released theirs and the prices are an absolute joke! We have benefitted from excellent value and cheap season tickets for a few years now. We should be and are grateful for this. I think I speak for most fans when I say we expect/realise they will rise in price for next year. But this has to be done with great care from the club. I understand if we want to compete higher up the league then we need to increase our revenue and without the stadium ownership, these are a big part of what we can bring in. I know I'm also stating the obvious when I say you will sell a lot more at say £350 than you will at £500 (and you guys will be aware of this), but remember when you came over and you were impressed by the atmosphere. Well in the premier league the atmosphere was twice as good. This was from more fans in the ground due to the feel good factor and the excellent priced and value season tickets. Need to consider the non financial impact it can have too. Ok so how can we tie this into the manager topic. Well the manager before the promotion was called Chris Powell and he was very negative and boring to watch. Constantly playing up the fact we had no budget and were a small club. This attitude is appalling and pissed a lot of fans off and the club has continued that mantra to an extent. This drove fans away and many didnt renew until Wagner came in and got the good feeling and 'no limits' mantra going. although that didn't last long. In the 2nd year again, we were constantly told we're lucky to compete again etc. So when choosing the new manager please, please take this onboard. Make the prices affordable and get everybody behind us. Look at the Southampton game. We went at them and nearly beat a premier league team in waiting. We can compete and should be striving to compete not just turn up and think ourselves lucky to be there! Sorry, rant over. Ticket price hikes have been mentioned to Kevin directly at the two previous fan meetings. The last one, I attended and made the point myself vociferously that price increases especially in this current financial climate and the fact that the product hasn’t improved would be a bad move. Based on everything I saw and heard at the fan meetings, I’ll be staggered if there isn’t a price increase. I’d bet that it’ll be £350+ with categories also complicating matters. One fan mentioned that he was quite happy to pay a lot more if it meant better players coming in. Whilst that may be the case, it needs mentioning that what’s affordable for you isn’t necessarily affordable for the majority. Also, myself included in this, the club must not assume that all Town fans live in Huddersfield. You’ll be surprised how many travel from afar to home games. Work opportunities aren’t as great in Huddersfield as other places so quite often a lot of us live far away. Affordable simplistic pricing is the best way to go about it however I have a feeling that this board don’t see it the same. When you buy a season ticket, you aren’t just investing with your money, you’re investing your time into the club too. Just because some clubs like Boro have ramped their prices up, doesn’t mean we should or like Kevin Nagle explained to me that Rochdale charge more than we do…. What other clubs do is their business. All I care about is what Town do. Make it affordable for as many as possible, don’t price working class fans, families and community out. I think everyone would agree with the sentiment but I don't see how else the club can compete. Our revenue streams are limited certainly until we own the stadium / areas around it. If Kev is wanting to invest in the playing side he has to balance it somehow for FFP or we will be stuck in this eternal relegation battle.
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 13, 2024 13:14:44 GMT 1
. we have had it too good on pricing for too long] I’ve heard this line before from within the club, 100% you work for the football club. Oh and just to be clear, the club have had it too good for too long with the loyalty and patience of its fans. You lot are extremely fortunate and lucky to have a fan base that’s backed you as far as they have. The pricing, has been affordable and should remain so. You talk horse shit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2024 13:16:59 GMT 1
If you increase season ticket prices then obviously you have another 2 million in revenue or whatever the figure maybe.Does that make much difference in the mad world of football and FFP?
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 13, 2024 13:21:48 GMT 1
30% increase I actaully think this would be the minimum, I think it could be closer to 50% and even then we would be one of the lowest if not the lowest prices championship club (guessing we stay in the champ). we have had it too good on pricing for too long and now that creates another problem. I would be looking to give something back with the inevatable increase. - Club shop voucher or discount voucher with ever season ticket say a loyilty discount for season ticket holders 10% on all club shop items (proof of ID required to take advantage and no limit to usage or spend) - 10% off all food and drink purchased in the stadium or assoicated bars (again proof of ID required, as long as it doesnt slow the service) - 2 free Giants tickets (and reverse this with Giants to try and bring both more together) - Away ticket priorty - Family ticket discounts (if buying 1 adult 2 kids, or 2 adults 2 kids for example) encourge more younger fans, and more wifes / mums to the games. - Kids pack includes some free gifts ( etc) Most of the above will actually bring more income to the club as people may spend more in shops etc, and really doesnt cost the club a lot. I think selling more than a season ticket and giving more benifits can only help with income streams to the club. People who say they wont pay the increases will be a small number and they need to understand how lucky they have been over the years, Pay more, semi-justified by getting some things cheaper, none of which I want or would pay a penny for ? Don't think so! you will be paying more either way, just think it will be good to have some added benifits when a significant increase is happening, the benifits are for all fans and for the clubs sort of a no brainer really to try and add some bits like this. I cant believe you as a season ticket holder have never been to an away game, never bought anything inside the club, and never bought anything from the club shop if that is the case you must be in the smallest of minoritys as a fan not doing any of these things.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 13, 2024 13:24:13 GMT 1
All that happens if we go back to 'normal' pricing is we return to 12/13k gates.
We'll be returning to them anyway unless we finally arrest the constant relegation battles and 10 wins a season.
An increase is probably ok and due but don't take the piss and expect everyone to just crack on as they have been.
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 13, 2024 13:24:33 GMT 1
Ticket price hikes have been mentioned to Kevin directly at the two previous fan meetings. The last one, I attended and made the point myself vociferously that price increases especially in this current financial climate and the fact that the product hasn’t improved would be a bad move. Based on everything I saw and heard at the fan meetings, I’ll be staggered if there isn’t a price increase. I’d bet that it’ll be £350+ with categories also complicating matters. One fan mentioned that he was quite happy to pay a lot more if it meant better players coming in. Whilst that may be the case, it needs mentioning that what’s affordable for you isn’t necessarily affordable for the majority. Also, myself included in this, the club must not assume that all Town fans live in Huddersfield. You’ll be surprised how many travel from afar to home games. Work opportunities aren’t as great in Huddersfield as other places so quite often a lot of us live far away. Affordable simplistic pricing is the best way to go about it however I have a feeling that this board don’t see it the same. When you buy a season ticket, you aren’t just investing with your money, you’re investing your time into the club too. Just because some clubs like Boro have ramped their prices up, doesn’t mean we should or like Kevin Nagle explained to me that Rochdale charge more than we do…. What other clubs do is their business. All I care about is what Town do. Make it affordable for as many as possible, don’t price working class fans, families and community out. I think everyone would agree with the sentiment but I don't see how else the club can compete. Our revenue streams are limited certainly until we own the stadium / areas around it. If Kev is wanting to invest in the playing side he has to balance it somehow for FFP or we will be stuck in this eternal relegation battle. How much money has been wasted sacking and paying managers off since Carlos left? I can think of four permanent managers at least and their staff, all which need paying off.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 13, 2024 13:27:50 GMT 1
Pay more, semi-justified by getting some things cheaper, none of which I want or would pay a penny for ? Don't think so! Much as castlehill appears to be a bullshitter, this is a good idea, despite your personal misgivings. Plenty of people WOULD like those kind of offers; I used to use nearly all the vouchers we used to get in with our ST, spending on other stuff alongside the vouchered stuff. It was usually only the eggchasing Dwarves-associated stuff that didn't get used. It's the same premise as supermarkets using loss-leaders. People will buy the cheaper/on-offer product, but will also buy other stuff on top of that. It's an enticement and one Town USED to use pretty well IMO friend for a fiver tickets could come back might have to change it to friend for a tenner however..... and all the other vouchers some form local compaines and not costing the club anyhting more like the Marstons, and Harveys discounts for season ticket holders make the benifit of being a season ticket holder not just about your seat for the game and encourage spending in other areas of the club and local comunity.
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Post by castlehillterrier on Feb 13, 2024 13:30:09 GMT 1
All that happens if we go back to 'normal' pricing is we return to 12/13k gates. We'll be returning to them anyway unless we finally arrest the constant relegation battles and 10 wins a season. An increase is probably ok and due but don't take the piss and expect everyone to just crack on as they have been. but 12 / 13 k season ticket holders at a higher price and then a significant amount of tickets sold per game at a higher price would be much more benifit for the club, the ambition is to be top half next season if we are winning games the stadium will be around 20k most weeks, with the people not getting a season ticket due to the cost ending up paying more to see less games as they would buy tickets to watch a succesful club.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 13, 2024 13:32:15 GMT 1
I think everyone would agree with the sentiment but I don't see how else the club can compete. Our revenue streams are limited certainly until we own the stadium / areas around it. If Kev is wanting to invest in the playing side he has to balance it somehow for FFP or we will be stuck in this eternal relegation battle. How much money has been wasted sacking and paying managers off since Carlos left? I can think of four permanent managers at least and their staff, all which need paying off. Yeah mainly because we have tried to do it on the cheap (schofield, fothers etc), the club isn't sustainable at championship level at our current prices. Our budget doesn't allow us to compete at the top unless we have a wonder season. We need to get the ground and build some infrastructure around it so that the low prices make sense. If we could profit from food/drink etc in and around the ground the higher numbers for low prices would help the situation but at the minute the tickets don't bring in much revenue and we don't get the benefit of the larger crowds either
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Feb 13, 2024 13:38:38 GMT 1
It appears that age 65 and over prices in lower Big Red are £10 for every game now. Not the greatest view and not good weather wise, but if that continues would be cheaper than a season ticket price even if you went to every game.
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 13, 2024 13:38:46 GMT 1
How much money has been wasted sacking and paying managers off since Carlos left? I can think of four permanent managers at least and their staff, all which need paying off. Yeah mainly because we have tried to do it on the cheap (schofield, fothers etc), the club isn't sustainable at championship level at our current prices. Our budget doesn't allow us to compete at the top unless we have a wonder season. We need to get the ground and build some infrastructure around it so that the low prices make sense. If we could profit from food/drink etc in and around the ground the higher numbers for low prices would help the situation but at the minute the tickets don't bring in much revenue and we don't get the benefit of the larger crowds either If prices go up and considerably then fans will vote with their feet. The fact that the club can’t compete because of the lack of infrastructure etc is the clubs problem. You need to spend silly money to be competitive. Luton and ourselves have proved that.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2024 13:41:27 GMT 1
Pay more, semi-justified by getting some things cheaper, none of which I want or would pay a penny for ? Don't think so! Much as castlehill appears to be a bullshitter, this is a good idea, despite your personal misgivings. Plenty of people WOULD like those kind of offers; I used to use nearly all the vouchers we used to get in with our ST, spending on other stuff alongside the vouchered stuff. It was usually only the eggchasing Dwarves-associated stuff that didn't get used. It's the same premise as supermarkets using loss-leaders. People will buy the cheaper/on-offer product, but will also buy other stuff on top of that. It's an enticement and one Town USED to use pretty well IMO I think that'd be me done. I can't really afford much of an increase, certainly not the rises Billy Bullshitter is talking about and the offers are no use to me. I might get the odd bit from the shop but I don't eat or drink there, you couldn't pay me to watch Fartown and my kids have grown up. I've had a ST since I left school in 86 but I'd rather watch gigs than football these days. Last year, under Colin, reignited the flame but Big Dave pissed on that from a great height.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2024 13:46:02 GMT 1
Pay more, semi-justified by getting some things cheaper, none of which I want or would pay a penny for ? Don't think so! you will be paying more either way, just think it will be good to have some added benifits when a significant increase is happening, the benifits are for all fans and for the clubs sort of a no brainer really to try and add some bits like this. I cant believe you as a season ticket holder have never been to an away game, never bought anything inside the club, and never bought anything from the club shop if that is the case you must be in the smallest of minoritys as a fan not doing any of these things. You wouldn't be paying more if you just said "sod it, it's not worth it anymore"
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Post by mosher on Feb 13, 2024 13:46:15 GMT 1
Much as castlehill appears to be a bullshitter, this is a good idea, despite your personal misgivings. Plenty of people WOULD like those kind of offers; I used to use nearly all the vouchers we used to get in with our ST, spending on other stuff alongside the vouchered stuff. It was usually only the eggchasing Dwarves-associated stuff that didn't get used. It's the same premise as supermarkets using loss-leaders. People will buy the cheaper/on-offer product, but will also buy other stuff on top of that. It's an enticement and one Town USED to use pretty well IMO I think that'd be me done. I can't really afford much of an increase, certainly not the rises Billy Bullshitter is talking about and the offers are no use to me. I might get the odd bit from the shop but I don't eat or drink there, you couldn't pay me to watch Fartown and my kids have grown up. I've had a ST since I left school in 86 but I'd rather watch gigs than football these days. Last year, under Colin, reignited the flame but Big Dave pissed on that from a great height. Get what you're saying completely and I'd agree if they put the prices up TOO much. 30% of £300 is only about £100 which I think (hope?) I could handle. I realise there are others who couldn't manage a £100 hike, but with a sensible HP plan even as skint as I was in my previous job it would be just about handle-able. If it's as much as 50% then I'd be done too, not on affordability but on principle. Again with the vouchers that's personal to you, but (as I said) when they used to include them in the ST book hardly any went in the bin. 100% with you on the Fartown thing though, Up The Bulldogs
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 13, 2024 13:47:20 GMT 1
Yeah mainly because we have tried to do it on the cheap (schofield, fothers etc), the club isn't sustainable at championship level at our current prices. Our budget doesn't allow us to compete at the top unless we have a wonder season. We need to get the ground and build some infrastructure around it so that the low prices make sense. If we could profit from food/drink etc in and around the ground the higher numbers for low prices would help the situation but at the minute the tickets don't bring in much revenue and we don't get the benefit of the larger crowds either If prices go up and considerably then fans will vote with their feet. The fact that the club can’t compete because of the lack of infrastructure etc is the clubs problem. You need to spend silly money to be competitive. Luton and ourselves have proved that. They probably will vote with their feet but a successful team would bring them back. Luton own their ground and have done really well in the transfer market, I agree it is achievable but what Nagle wants is for us to be consistently challenging at the top not having one season and bust. The infrastructure is the clubs problem but until that issue is resolved they will need to rely on their current income streams to be able to invest in the squad to a level our fans find acceptable, we spent a bit this January but it is a drop in the ocean compared to other clubs.
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Post by incognito on Feb 13, 2024 13:47:37 GMT 1
Ticket price hikes have been mentioned to Kevin directly at the two previous fan meetings. The last one, I attended and made the point myself vociferously that price increases especially in this current financial climate and the fact that the product hasn’t improved would be a bad move. Based on everything I saw and heard at the fan meetings, I’ll be staggered if there isn’t a price increase. I’d bet that it’ll be £350+ with categories also complicating matters. One fan mentioned that he was quite happy to pay a lot more if it meant better players coming in. Whilst that may be the case, it needs mentioning that what’s affordable for you isn’t necessarily affordable for the majority. Also, myself included in this, the club must not assume that all Town fans live in Huddersfield. You’ll be surprised how many travel from afar to home games. Work opportunities aren’t as great in Huddersfield as other places so quite often a lot of us live far away. Affordable simplistic pricing is the best way to go about it however I have a feeling that this board don’t see it the same. When you buy a season ticket, you aren’t just investing with your money, you’re investing your time into the club too. Just because some clubs like Boro have ramped their prices up, doesn’t mean we should or like Kevin Nagle explained to me that Rochdale charge more than we do…. What other clubs do is their business. All I care about is what Town do. Make it affordable for as many as possible, don’t price working class fans, families and community out. I think everyone would agree with the sentiment but I don't see how else the club can compete. Our revenue streams are limited certainly until we own the stadium / areas around it. If Kev is wanting to invest in the playing side he has to balance it somehow for FFP or we will be stuck in this eternal relegation battle. Yes. Unfortunately even freezing Season Card prices is a reduction in real terms, and a tighter set of financial parameters in which the club is having to try and compete. The £249 first introduced in 2019 is the equivalent of around £310 today. It's a really difficult topic, but I think the club may have been better served by introducing "fair" price increases roughly linked to CPI once the insulating effect of the parachute payments came to an end. The difficulty now is that any effort to set the prices at anything approaching a 'market rate' will create a significant shock.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 13, 2024 13:48:02 GMT 1
. we have had it too good on pricing for too long] I’ve heard this line before from within the club, 100% you work for the football club. Oh and just to be clear, the club have had it too good for too long with the loyalty and patience of its fans. You lot are extremely fortunate and lucky to have a fan base that’s backed you as far as they have. The pricing, has been affordable and should remain so. You talk horse shit. The truth is that there are merits in both sides of the debate. Relevant to other clubs, and the costs of running the club (which has applied across the economy), the price we have paid has been very favourable. Is it sustainable? You would have to accept as the value of revenue collected has in real terms reduced the club has to find the money lost and cover the gap. That is, unfortunately, simple economics. From a football perspective what do you value? The day out? The association with the football club? Results on the pitch? All are valid but what are people prepared to pay for this, what will/can the supporters be prepared to bare? Of course for many/most it is what happens on the pitch that is the priority. Irrespective of the "competitive" process we have been charged many will be disappointed at what we see on the pitch. If the price remains the same/similar but things don't improve on the pitch/you don't value what you are watching you still are unlikely to be happy, despite the cost. There is a balance that the club have to strike. Simply saying "the price has to increase" but not offering any sense of incentive of what to expect isn't going to cut it. e.g. If I was charged double, which I may choose to pay, but had witnessed more of the same on the pitch I wouldn't be happy at all. There needs to be alignment with quality, but as with most football clubs things aren't that linear. I do however take the point that simply saying "it's been too cheap for too long, it has to go up" isn't helpful and it doesn't reflect the impact on many who will be compromised economically.
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 13, 2024 13:49:00 GMT 1
As Dave is in the ear of Kevin and is participating on this thread, rather than speculate on the manager situation which is already in hand. Maybe we can use it to raise another point to feed back to Kevin (which we can also tie into the manager topic). Next season's Season ticket prices. Sheff Wed and Boro have just released theirs and the prices are an absolute joke! We have benefitted from excellent value and cheap season tickets for a few years now. We should be and are grateful for this. I think I speak for most fans when I say we expect/realise they will rise in price for next year. But this has to be done with great care from the club. I understand if we want to compete higher up the league then we need to increase our revenue and without the stadium ownership, these are a big part of what we can bring in. I know I'm also stating the obvious when I say you will sell a lot more at say £350 than you will at £500 (and you guys will be aware of this), but remember when you came over and you were impressed by the atmosphere. Well in the premier league the atmosphere was twice as good. This was from more fans in the ground due to the feel good factor and the excellent priced and value season tickets. Need to consider the non financial impact it can have too. Ok so how can we tie this into the manager topic. Well the manager before the promotion was called Chris Powell and he was very negative and boring to watch. Constantly playing up the fact we had no budget and were a small club. This attitude is appalling and pissed a lot of fans off and the club has continued that mantra to an extent. This drove fans away and many didnt renew until Wagner came in and got the good feeling and 'no limits' mantra going. although that didn't last long. In the 2nd year again, we were constantly told we're lucky to compete again etc. So when choosing the new manager please, please take this onboard. Make the prices affordable and get everybody behind us. Look at the Southampton game. We went at them and nearly beat a premier league team in waiting. We can compete and should be striving to compete not just turn up and think ourselves lucky to be there! Sorry, rant over. They can easily put the season ticket prices up, but not in all areas. Riverside could be more expensive, as it used to be. South srand and lower Fantastic ,keep same price, or even drop for the lower F. Kilner, might take an extra 49 quid, at least central zones. Aside from that, we should be allocated the the whole South Stand and stick the opposition in nearest part of the Kilner.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 13, 2024 13:49:49 GMT 1
If you increase season ticket prices then obviously you have another 2 million in revenue or whatever the figure maybe.Does that make much difference in the mad world of football and FFP? £2m would make a difference but if you aren't convinced that those using it are competent then it is a complete waste. The club has to show they are worth investing in and will competently use that additional revenue.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2024 13:49:50 GMT 1
All that happens if we go back to 'normal' pricing is we return to 12/13k gates. We'll be returning to them anyway unless we finally arrest the constant relegation battles and 10 wins a season. An increase is probably ok and due but don't take the piss and expect everyone to just crack on as they have been. but 12 / 13 k season ticket holders at a higher price and then a significant amount of tickets sold per game at a higher price would be much more benifit for the club, the ambition is to be top half next season if we are winning games the stadium will be around 20k most weeks, with the people not getting a season ticket due to the cost ending up paying more to see less games as they would buy tickets to watch a succesful club. It won't be around 20k if the prices rise anywhere near what you're proposing.
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Post by andyboothscat on Feb 13, 2024 13:51:43 GMT 1
. we have had it too good on pricing for too long] I’ve heard this line before from within the club, 100% you work for the football club. Oh and just to be clear, the club have had it too good for too long with the loyalty and patience of its fans. You lot are extremely fortunate and lucky to have a fan base that’s backed you as far as they have. The pricing, has been affordable and should remain so. You talk horse shit. It also needs to be noted that the only reasons prices didn't rise over the last 4 years was because the club kept season ticket holders money for 2020/21 thus made the price promise. The price freeze since then hasn't entirely been down too to altruistic reasons.... Without that - prices would have been increased years ago. It would also be a brave owner to stick a 30% increase on fans following a relegation which at this point looks not far off being a 50-50 possibility?
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Post by Fish & Chips on Feb 13, 2024 13:51:45 GMT 1
And please let us know what time kev goes to bed every evening and what he has for breakfast Shredded Wheat, Weetabix or Frosties?
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