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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 10:17:25 GMT 1
There's no denying whatsoever that it's been a catalogue of errors since Warnocks departure, but as I said, many are very conveniently forgetting just how poor in general the performances were under him at the start of last season, go back and watch the games again. While there's absolutely no guarantee that he would have kept us up (and that is a fact), I won't dispute that our chances with him at helm would have been greater than they were during the catastrophic remainder of the season following his departure. 'Comfortable mid table'?! Not a cat in hells chance, and that's owing more to the poor quality of the squad than it is Warnocks managerial prowess. If you were to analyse the facts, the performance of the season before with Warnock, his past performance with similar squads, the squad in comparison to the season before and the money spent in January. Any objective person would conclude we'd get a comfortable mid table finish. I've no idea where the idea that Warnock would have struggled comes from but I'd imagine it's confirmation bias from some. It wasn't a great start to the season but nowhere near as bad as you make out, it was steady, as an example we'd just given Leicester a really good game and were unfortunate to lose. They were looking better game by game like Warnock teams usually do. 2 wins in 7 games, just screams mid table finish. I'm not denying for a second that Warnock is probably the greatest manager to have graced the EFL, but to say a mid table finish was guaranteed is anything but objective. Your using of our performances/results during his return at the end of the 22/23 season as your metric is fundamentally flawed, when we have a far more relevant metric which is the 8 games (7 league + 1 Cup) from the season that we are actually discussing, in which he netted 8 points from a possible 21, which is categorically not mid-table form, quite the opposite infact. As I said, go back and watch the games again, the standard for the majority of play was indeed poor, and that isn't 'confirmation bias', that's a fact. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 10:33:12 GMT 1
I am genuinely greatly heartened that the comments on here are read and digested. It demonstrates a desire to learn and get better, which cannot be denied. I'm sure you'll have probably picked this up already but the real issue is the overall steady decline at HTAFC after what was our most successful spell for 45 years. A spell that generated circa £300m in revenue. There are many examples of football clubs in England who enjoy success for a short period but struggle in subsequent years. Our hope, and we were told, that this "step change" would significantly help us (be better) for 10 years. That failed to materialise, miserably. Mr Nagle is now custodian. I still believe in his intention to be successful at HTAFC. Last season was a culmination of the poor choices that went before Mr Nagle took us on. Could things have been better? Many fans will say yes, I'm also sure Mr Nagle is equally honest too. However to be fair that opinion maybe fostered from hindsight. Hindsight often gives clarity. The current disappointment isn't that we have lost games of football per se, it is the manner in which we have lost those games. I could challenge MD on his formation and tactics (I would note that the players recruited don't necessarily look like they are ideally suited to how they are being asked to play) but the real issue is that the same mindset exists. There is no fresh personality or character shining through, the team look incoherent and rudderless on the pitch. I don't hold MD wholly responsible for this it is down to not recognising we needed leadership and personality as much as skill and ability. I always try and be constructive but I am equally realistic. Currently this group look a long way off the promotion challengers Mr Nagle wanted. I have highlighted what I see from the stands but it is down to Mr Nagle and his management team to evaluate, be honest, and find solutions. Unfortunately we play a team on Tuesday night who have real ambition. Moreover they have a momentum that is built on the support generated by the actions of their owners. It maybe unfair to make a direct comparison, noting their financial support of the team may create problems for them in the future (it equally may not, look at Ipswich), but it is a comparison that people will make. In simple terms the fans are frustrated because they feel they are witnessing "more of the same" on the pitch (noting the work on the stadium has been very welcome). The delivery, on the pitch, is not matching the ambition. As fans we know what we are watching. There are people who will let their frustration get the better of them and be unpleasant in their criticism. That is neither acceptable or helpful. There are people, many people, like me who aren't happy but express a view in a considered way. However the ones that I suggest you, collectively, need to worry about are the ones that are losing interest. That's the future of the club ebbing away. I hope MD finds a way, I think he needs the opportunity to do so. As for the rest of the club perhaps this is a time for Nr Nagle to (I make this suggestion with upmost respect) reflect and evaluate. He's had 18 months of being our custodian. I'm sure he's learnt much, and continues to learn too. I don't doubt he wants to be successful. However he can't be content with progress to date. Moreover he can't be happy that his hard earned cash has not been used as well as it might (let's be honest mistakes cost money, money that could have been used better). It is only 7 games in but the remaining 39 are not currently suggesting we will be celebrating in May 25. The bigger picture must be getting our club to a better place with everyone, or as many as possible on the same page. Ultimately that is the challenge and we have a long way to go. Of course mine is only one view but I hope you find it as it is intended ie critical but considered. Please keep absorbing and interacting as appropriate. We will get there together but the club needs to give us something to really believe in. All the best. UTT You are by a mile, consistently the best poster on this forum. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 29, 2024 10:34:40 GMT 1
If you were to analyse the facts, the performance of the season before with Warnock, his past performance with similar squads, the squad in comparison to the season before and the money spent in January. Any objective person would conclude we'd get a comfortable mid table finish. I've no idea where the idea that Warnock would have struggled comes from but I'd imagine it's confirmation bias from some. It wasn't a great start to the season but nowhere near as bad as you make out, it was steady, as an example we'd just given Leicester a really good game and were unfortunate to lose. They were looking better game by game like Warnock teams usually do. 2 wins in 7 games, just screams mid table finish. I'm not denying for a second that Warnock is probably the greatest manager to have graced the EFL, but to say a mid table finish was guaranteed is anything but objective. Your using of our performances/results during his return at the end of the 22/23 season as your metric is fundamentally flawed, when we have a far more relevant metric which is the 8 games (7 league + 1 Cup) from the season that we are actually discussing, in which he netted 8 points from a possible 21, which is categorically not mid-table form, quite the opposite infact. As I said, go back and watch the games again, the standard for the majority of play was indeed poor, and that isn't 'confirmation bias', that's a fact. Oh I see so we have to discount the data from the season before because it doesn't fit your rhetoric  As I suspected not much point in arguing, let's agree to disagree. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 10:43:19 GMT 1
2 wins in 7 games, just screams mid table finish. I'm not denying for a second that Warnock is probably the greatest manager to have graced the EFL, but to say a mid table finish was guaranteed is anything but objective. Your using of our performances/results during his return at the end of the 22/23 season as your metric is fundamentally flawed, when we have a far more relevant metric which is the 8 games (7 league + 1 Cup) from the season that we are actually discussing, in which he netted 8 points from a possible 21, which is categorically not mid-table form, quite the opposite infact. As I said, go back and watch the games again, the standard for the majority of play was indeed poor, and that isn't 'confirmation bias', that's a fact. Oh I see so we have to discount the data from the season before because it doesn't fit your rhetoric As I suspected not much point in arguing, let's agree to disagree. Are you daft? I'm discounting the season before because we have relevant data from the season in question you loon. As Is suspected, you're conveniently continuing to ignore the facts. |
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Post by willo on Sept 29, 2024 10:46:12 GMT 1
If you were to analyse the facts, the performance of the season before with Warnock, his past performance with similar squads, the squad in comparison to the season before and the money spent in January. Any objective person would conclude we'd get a comfortable mid table finish. I've no idea where the idea that Warnock would have struggled comes from but I'd imagine it's confirmation bias from some. It wasn't a great start to the season but nowhere near as bad as you make out, it was steady, as an example we'd just given Leicester a really good game and were unfortunate to lose. They were looking better game by game like Warnock teams usually do. I agree it wasn’t that bad, Plymouth was a even game but a mad 3 minutes killed us, Norwich was the only shocker I’d say , our record was P7 W2 D2 L3, including games against 3 teams that finished top 6. Which averaged over a season would get you mid-table. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 29, 2024 10:52:09 GMT 1
Oh I see so we have to discount the data from the season before because it doesn't fit your rhetoric As I suspected not much point in arguing, let's agree to disagree. Are you daft? I'm discounting the season before because we have relevant data from the season in question you loon. As Is suspected, you're conveniently continuing to ignore the facts. As ever in these discussions, you are both right in some respects but without a crystal ball, we cannot say who is ‘more’ right. What we can say with more conviction is that the reasoning for removing Warnock was flawed beyond belief. If we’d kept him, we cannot say with any certainty where we would be right now. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 29, 2024 10:52:27 GMT 1
Oh I see so we have to discount the data from the season before because it doesn't fit your rhetoric As I suspected not much point in arguing, let's agree to disagree. Are you daft? I'm discounting the season before because we have relevant data from the season in question you loon. As Is suspected, you're conveniently continuing to ignore the facts. Don't ever go into a career in statistics |
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Post by jp on Sept 29, 2024 11:11:12 GMT 1
What about going down the road of fan protest?
Cartwright out!
Pressure the chairman to get a new DOF.
Cant sack Duff with the main who hired him still calling the shots.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 11:14:54 GMT 1
Are you daft? I'm discounting the season before because we have relevant data from the season in question you loon. As Is suspected, you're conveniently continuing to ignore the facts. Don't ever go into a career in statistics Don't ever go into a career in football. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 11:18:24 GMT 1
I agree it wasn’t that bad, Plymouth was a even game but a mad 3 minutes killed us, Norwich was the only shocker I’d say , our record was P7 W2 D2 L3, including games against 3 teams that finished top 6. Which averaged over a season would get you mid-table. No, it wouldn't. Those results over the course of a season would net you 52-53 pts, which is far closer to the bottom 3 than it is to mid table. |
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Post by Stiggy on Sept 29, 2024 11:33:59 GMT 1
To gain promotion everyone and I mean everyone in the club need to believe it’s possible and from my impression this just isn’t the case, there’s far too many retained faces that are used to the losing mindset. Despite the obvious poor recruitment, I think most fans genuinely believed we could do it in this season in this league.
The biggest disappointment for me is we so obviously needed a full reset this year and a total clear out with the right players recruited and this just hasn’t happened. We’re still the same club with the same poor mindset.
Disappointment is an understatement.
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Post by Wingman on Sept 29, 2024 11:34:36 GMT 1
What about going down the road of fan protest? Cartwright out! Pressure the chairman to get a new DOF. Cant sack Duff with the main who hired him still calling the shots. These rarely have any effect and I’d wager that KN will go with what he thinks is right, based on what he see’s and hears. Protests should be reserved for reasonable ingrained problems, not a DoF who is incapable. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 29, 2024 11:43:21 GMT 1
What about going down the road of fan protest? Cartwright out! Pressure the chairman to get a new DOF. Cant sack Duff with the main who hired him still calling the shots. If you think a dozen drama queens outside the Riverside frothing at the mouth is going to persuade a multi millionaire businessman to make a decision then crack on |
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Post by jp on Sept 29, 2024 11:51:16 GMT 1
So are fans completely powerless then?
A protest could be a formal stay away protest…
Things aren’t working. The resources are there but the recruitment has been ineffective, for players and managers. Football is about results at the end of the day and we’ve lost 6/7 in what looks a very poor league. We look like a confused group of strangers on the pitch. We don’t create much and we concede shocking goals.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 29, 2024 12:01:58 GMT 1
So are fans completely powerless then? A protest could be a formal stay away protest… Things aren’t working. The resources are there but the recruitment has been ineffective, for players and managers. Football is about results at the end of the day and we’ve lost 6/7 in what looks a very poor league. We look like a confused group of strangers on the pitch. We don’t create much and we concede shocking goals. Swings and roundabouts jp. Didn’t hear anyone piping up about a protest prior to 8 days ago. Yeah it’s been a shit week of 3 defeats. We currently look poor but it’s a long old season. A lot of knee jerking going on at the moment as per. |
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Post by Sio on Sept 29, 2024 12:05:50 GMT 1
What about going down the road of fan protest? Cartwright out! Pressure the chairman to get a new DOF. Cant sack Duff with the main who hired him still calling the shots. These rarely have any effect and I’d wager that KN will go with what he thinks is right, based on what he see’s and hears. Protests should be reserved for reason ingrained problems, not a DoF who is incapable. Totally agree that a protest would be ridiculous at this stage of the season, but equally, can KN rely on what he sees and hears? I'm increasingly getting the impression that Edwards and/or Cartwright have got him completely on strings. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 29, 2024 12:09:35 GMT 1
2 wins in 7 games, just screams mid table finish. I'm not denying for a second that Warnock is probably the greatest manager to have graced the EFL, but to say a mid table finish was guaranteed is anything but objective. Your using of our performances/results during his return at the end of the 22/23 season as your metric is fundamentally flawed, when we have a far more relevant metric which is the 8 games (7 league + 1 Cup) from the season that we are actually discussing, in which he netted 8 points from a possible 21, which is categorically not mid-table form, quite the opposite infact. As I said, go back and watch the games again, the standard for the majority of play was indeed poor, and that isn't 'confirmation bias', that's a fact. Oh I see so we have to discount the data from the season before because it doesn't fit your rhetoric As I suspected not much point in arguing, let's agree to disagree. I think 99.99% wish Warnock had stayed on as long as possible given what followed and I don’t doubt for a second we’d have done better if he had. But this almost cast iron guarantee of safety you’re implying is daft. Our squad was dire. He left Middlesbrough 15th having won just 6 games by Nov and left Cardiff in similar circumstances. Both had MILES better squads than we did which we all know was wholly unfit for championship football. He’s (still) the best in the business for 3-6 months imo but it does start to tail off and he usually leaves you with his mates on 3 year deals. Ward, Ruffles and almost Junior Hoilett, say hello. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 29, 2024 12:15:20 GMT 1
I am genuinely greatly heartened that the comments on here are read and digested. It demonstrates a desire to learn and get better, which cannot be denied. I'm sure you'll have probably picked this up already but the real issue is the overall steady decline at HTAFC after what was our most successful spell for 45 years. A spell that generated circa £300m in revenue. There are many examples of football clubs in England who enjoy success for a short period but struggle in subsequent years. Our hope, and we were told, that this "step change" would significantly help us (be better) for 10 years. That failed to materialise, miserably. Mr Nagle is now custodian. I still believe in his intention to be successful at HTAFC. Last season was a culmination of the poor choices that went before Mr Nagle took us on. Could things have been better? Many fans will say yes, I'm also sure Mr Nagle is equally honest too. However to be fair that opinion maybe fostered from hindsight. Hindsight often gives clarity. The current disappointment isn't that we have lost games of football per se, it is the manner in which we have lost those games. I could challenge MD on his formation and tactics (I would note that the players recruited don't necessarily look like they are ideally suited to how they are being asked to play) but the real issue is that the same mindset exists. There is no fresh personality or character shining through, the team look incoherent and rudderless on the pitch. I don't hold MD wholly responsible for this it is down to not recognising we needed leadership and personality as much as skill and ability. I always try and be constructive but I am equally realistic. Currently this group look a long way off the promotion challengers Mr Nagle wanted. I have highlighted what I see from the stands but it is down to Mr Nagle and his management team to evaluate, be honest, and find solutions. Unfortunately we play a team on Tuesday night who have real ambition. Moreover they have a momentum that is built on the support generated by the actions of their owners. It maybe unfair to make a direct comparison, noting their financial support of the team may create problems for them in the future (it equally may not, look at Ipswich), but it is a comparison that people will make. In simple terms the fans are frustrated because they feel they are witnessing "more of the same" on the pitch (noting the work on the stadium has been very welcome). The delivery, on the pitch, is not matching the ambition. As fans we know what we are watching. There are people who will let their frustration get the better of them and be unpleasant in their criticism. That is neither acceptable or helpful. There are people, many people, like me who aren't happy but express a view in a considered way. However the ones that I suggest you, collectively, need to worry about are the ones that are losing interest. That's the future of the club ebbing away. I hope MD finds a way, I think he needs the opportunity to do so. As for the rest of the club perhaps this is a time for Nr Nagle to (I make this suggestion with upmost respect) reflect and evaluate. He's had 18 months of being our custodian. I'm sure he's learnt much, and continues to learn too. I don't doubt he wants to be successful. However he can't be content with progress to date. Moreover he can't be happy that his hard earned cash has not been used as well as it might (let's be honest mistakes cost money, money that could have been used better). It is only 7 games in but the remaining 39 are not currently suggesting we will be celebrating in May 25. The bigger picture must be getting our club to a better place with everyone, or as many as possible on the same page. Ultimately that is the challenge and we have a long way to go. Of course mine is only one view but I hope you find it as it is intended ie critical but considered. Please keep absorbing and interacting as appropriate. We will get there together but the club needs to give us something to really believe in. All the best. UTT Post of the season. Would be delighted if the powers that be got to read it. I expect Justasmithers has probably already read it and I suspect the main reason he's here is to gauge fan opinions to feed back to Mr Nagle. FTR, I concur with those advocating for Dugnet as someone who consistently has a strong understanding of how things are going at the club, and if the powers that be take note of just one poster it should be him. I would just add that I personally appreciate everything they're doing off the pitch, and that includes the video diaries and communication with fans. Building a one club mentality will be essential for this club's success as it was under Herr Wagner and those lines of communication being kep open will be central to that. The problem is - as ever - what's happening on the pitch. It's awful. We need to understand why players who have done the business elsewhere look collectively so poor here. At the start of the season we were many people's tip for promotion. Those who tipped others for promotion had us very much in the running. And it's still early days. There's still time for us to go on a good run and I'm not ruling us out of the promotion picture. But right now a top half finish looks unlikely, let alone top 6 or autos. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 29, 2024 13:03:27 GMT 1
To gain promotion everyone and I mean everyone in the club need to believe it’s possible and from my impression this just isn’t the case, there’s far too many retained faces that are used to the losing mindset. Despite the obvious poor recruitment, I think most fans genuinely believed we could do it in this season in this league. The biggest disappointment for me is we so obviously needed a full reset this year and a total clear out with the right players recruited and this just hasn’t happened. We’re still the same club with the same poor mindset. Disappointment is an understatement. I thought Duff would bring a reset but he's already hinting about the players being mentally scarred, feels like Cartwrights lent him his book of excuses. He started off sounding like a breath of fresh air. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 13:21:06 GMT 1
Justasmithers. I'm really sorry if you have been getting stick on social media. At the end of the day it is just football. Many posters on here have seen hundreds of players come and go, dozens of managers and a few owners. We all want to see good football, be entertained and see our team succeed but all supporters of all clubs want the same. Michael Duff has said that it may take time and perhaps our racing start gave people false optimism. It would be good if all supporters stuck with the team through good, bad and indifferent, because the long term ones have seen it all many times, but social media seems to attract many who want to vent. Tuesday will be hard but I am sure MD will turn things around again. We all hope to get promoted this season but if it takes longer then it does. We just need to keep supporting.
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Post by jp on Sept 29, 2024 13:25:09 GMT 1
These rarely have any effect and I’d wager that KN will go with what he thinks is right, based on what he see’s and hears. Protests should be reserved for reason ingrained problems, not a DoF who is incapable. Totally agree that a protest would be ridiculous at this stage of the season, but equally, can KN rely on what he sees and hears? I'm increasingly getting the impression that Edwards and/or Cartwright have got him completely on strings. This is partly what I’m getting at.. |
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Post by jp on Sept 29, 2024 13:30:19 GMT 1
So are fans completely powerless then? A protest could be a formal stay away protest… Things aren’t working. The resources are there but the recruitment has been ineffective, for players and managers. Football is about results at the end of the day and we’ve lost 6/7 in what looks a very poor league. We look like a confused group of strangers on the pitch. We don’t create much and we concede shocking goals. Swings and roundabouts jp. Didn’t hear anyone piping up about a protest prior to 8 days ago. Yeah it’s been a shit week of 3 defeats. We currently look poor but it’s a long old season. A lot of knee jerking going on at the moment as per. I think the ‘knee jerk’ responses are based on most of the performances really, other than Posh away.. fans are seeing the same things and it’s not a big jump to think things won’t improve, rather they’ll continue to decline leading to league one long term or even worse. When looking at the options for MD to change things they don’t exactly look world beating.. |
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Post by Jack on Sept 29, 2024 13:49:44 GMT 1
CD, whilst you are on - could you just reassure us that the ground improvements are not in any way financed by the Rudoni money, and that the money laid out so far (for which we are, genuinely, grateful) is via Kevin and not just being added to the club's debt ? Sorry to be cynical but that was the rumour amongst certain supporters. Thanks. In an equally impertinent fashion - can I just ask - did the club have a, relatively, large sum of money (not millions and millions) to spend on incoming transfers, or were the free transfers, out of contract players we brought in our limit.Aren't we in credit in our transfer dealings ? thanks. I’ll never speak on specifics, and to the others- if getting on me makes losing even slightly less painful have at it. Whatever you’re feeling I promise I feel the same. As to your question- the most I’ll say is this: whether you agree or disagree, like this move or hate that move, I can only tell you in up every Saturday or Tuesday or whenever at some ungodly hour watching with the chairman. Every win, every loss, dominates our mood and our lives. I’ll never speak to decisions, strategy, whatever. I’ll leave that to the chairman. I’ll just say for what it’s worth, you have my word as a fan, a man, a father, whatever- he lives and dies for three points. Ironic. Does he enjoy it by being disciplined too. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 13:50:04 GMT 1
These rarely have any effect and I’d wager that KN will go with what he thinks is right, based on what he see’s and hears. Protests should be reserved for reason ingrained problems, not a DoF who is incapable. Totally agree that a protest would be ridiculous at this stage of the season, but equally, can KN rely on what he sees and hears? I'm increasingly getting the impression that Edwards and/or Cartwright have got him completely on strings. KN watches all the games so he sees what we see. It would be lovely if we could get every player we wanted at the price we were prepared to pay but we can't. Alfie May and Joe Taylor are examples of this plus probably a load of players we don't know about. I don't think Michael Duff spins tales so if he talks to KN I think it will be pretty honest. A bit of patience at the moment would go a long way. |
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Post by mosher on Sept 29, 2024 14:07:46 GMT 1
Dean not perfect is an understatement he’s the reason we are struggling now he’s asset stripped us since we went down from premier league and as a result we are left with this shower of shit this team needs 2 /3 years of clearing out the shit and investing in quality not quantity look at the best players in the national league young hungry fast players allow duff to build it but as supporter we have to back the manager to do it he’s got to shift these underperforming ones on Selling LOB for £5 million felt cheap at the time but that's about it. If anything it was the opposite of asset stripping. We'd assembled an expensive squad that was worth fuck all after their calamitas second Premier league season. He refused to put any more money in after Hodgkinson's companies went into administration but continued to pay the wage bill until Nagle bought the Club. Other than that agree that Duff needs time and this won't be a fast fix or quick return to the championship. Parachute payments that were supposed to ease the transition from PL to Championship? |
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Post by bacunatrim46 on Sept 29, 2024 14:08:45 GMT 1
I am genuinely greatly heartened that the comments on here are read and digested. It demonstrates a desire to learn and get better, which cannot be denied. I'm sure you'll have probably picked this up already but the real issue is the overall steady decline at HTAFC after what was our most successful spell for 45 years. A spell that generated circa £300m in revenue. There are many examples of football clubs in England who enjoy success for a short period but struggle in subsequent years. Our hope, and we were told, that this "step change" would significantly help us (be better) for 10 years. That failed to materialise, miserably. Mr Nagle is now custodian. I still believe in his intention to be successful at HTAFC. Last season was a culmination of the poor choices that went before Mr Nagle took us on. Could things have been better? Many fans will say yes, I'm also sure Mr Nagle is equally honest too. However to be fair that opinion maybe fostered from hindsight. Hindsight often gives clarity. The current disappointment isn't that we have lost games of football per se, it is the manner in which we have lost those games. I could challenge MD on his formation and tactics (I would note that the players recruited don't necessarily look like they are ideally suited to how they are being asked to play) but the real issue is that the same mindset exists. There is no fresh personality or character shining through, the team look incoherent and rudderless on the pitch. I don't hold MD wholly responsible for this it is down to not recognising we needed leadership and personality as much as skill and ability. I always try and be constructive but I am equally realistic. Currently this group look a long way off the promotion challengers Mr Nagle wanted. I have highlighted what I see from the stands but it is down to Mr Nagle and his management team to evaluate, be honest, and find solutions. Unfortunately we play a team on Tuesday night who have real ambition. Moreover they have a momentum that is built on the support generated by the actions of their owners. It maybe unfair to make a direct comparison, noting their financial support of the team may create problems for them in the future (it equally may not, look at Ipswich), but it is a comparison that people will make. In simple terms the fans are frustrated because they feel they are witnessing "more of the same" on the pitch (noting the work on the stadium has been very welcome). The delivery, on the pitch, is not matching the ambition. As fans we know what we are watching. There are people who will let their frustration get the better of them and be unpleasant in their criticism. That is neither acceptable or helpful. There are people, many people, like me who aren't happy but express a view in a considered way. However the ones that I suggest you, collectively, need to worry about are the ones that are losing interest. That's the future of the club ebbing away. I hope MD finds a way, I think he needs the opportunity to do so. As for the rest of the club perhaps this is a time for Nr Nagle to (I make this suggestion with upmost respect) reflect and evaluate. He's had 18 months of being our custodian. I'm sure he's learnt much, and continues to learn too. I don't doubt he wants to be successful. However he can't be content with progress to date. Moreover he can't be happy that his hard earned cash has not been used as well as it might (let's be honest mistakes cost money, money that could have been used better). It is only 7 games in but the remaining 39 are not currently suggesting we will be celebrating in May 25. The bigger picture must be getting our club to a better place with everyone, or as many as possible on the same page. Ultimately that is the challenge and we have a long way to go. Of course mine is only one view but I hope you find it as it is intended ie critical but considered. Please keep absorbing and interacting as appropriate. We will get there together but the club needs to give us something to really believe in. All the best. UTT A fantastic post that eloquently sums up many of the concerns and criticisms towards the club at the moment. That final sentence especially hits home - the club needs to give us something to believe in. A lack of belief leads to apathy, which in turn can lead to a dangerous rot which I would hate to see happen to the club I love. |
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Post by Sio on Sept 29, 2024 14:16:53 GMT 1
Totally agree that a protest would be ridiculous at this stage of the season, but equally, can KN rely on what he sees and hears? I'm increasingly getting the impression that Edwards and/or Cartwright have got him completely on strings. KN watches all the games so he sees what we see. It would be lovely if we could get every player we wanted at the price we were prepared to pay but we can't. Alfie May and Joe Taylor are examples of this plus probably a load of players we don't know about. I don't think Michael Duff spins tales so if he talks to KN I think it will be pretty honest. A bit of patience at the moment would go a long way. Patience? Christ. I think our fanbase must be the most patient across the entire football league. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Sept 29, 2024 14:25:04 GMT 1
These rarely have any effect and I’d wager that KN will go with what he thinks is right, based on what he see’s and hears. Protests should be reserved for reason ingrained problems, not a DoF who is incapable. Totally agree that a protest would be ridiculous at this stage of the season, but equally, can KN rely on what he sees and hears? I'm increasingly getting the impression that Edwards and/or Cartwright have got him completely on strings. No owner with an ounce of ambition appoints Mark Cartwright as Sporting Director...unless they were contractually obliged to do so |
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Post by impact on Sept 29, 2024 14:30:06 GMT 1
Always thought you’re a decent poster Sheriff but I would have bet the house Warnock would have had us mid-table relatively comfortably come the end of last season had he been allowed to carry on. Every decision by the club following their decision to remove Warnock & Ronnie have proved catastrophic and there’s been a catalogue of them. They have absolutely reaped what they sowed and the sad part is it was so unnecessary. We are where we are now and I reckon we will have a few seasons in League 1 to mull over the decisions that put us there. There's no denying whatsoever that it's been a catalogue of errors since Warnocks departure, but as I said, many are very conveniently forgetting just how poor in general the performances were under him at the start of last season, go back and watch the games again. While there's absolutely no guarantee that he would have kept us up (and that is a fact), I won't dispute that our chances with him at helm would have been greater than they were during the catastrophic remainder of the season following his departure. 'Comfortable mid table'?! Not a cat in hells chance, and that's owing more to the poor quality of the squad than it is Warnocks managerial prowess. You what? He had 7 games, we got 8 points. Plymouth and Norwich were poor. West Brom away, Leicester home, Rotherham home were very good performances. We should have got something v Leicester, we were very unlucky. Boro an entertaining draw, Stoke a luckier draw. Even in those poor performances, we were at least looking threatening and having some shots. There is no way in hell we were poor in general, and it was far better than anything that followed. |
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Post by Benhamer1 on Sept 29, 2024 14:32:27 GMT 1
Totally agree that a protest would be ridiculous at this stage of the season, but equally, can KN rely on what he sees and hears? I'm increasingly getting the impression that Edwards and/or Cartwright have got him completely on strings. No owner with an ounce of ambition appoints Mark Cartwright as Sporting Director...unless they were contractually obliged to do so why would an owner be contractually obliged? |
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