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Post by Dan on Sept 29, 2024 14:36:10 GMT 1
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Post by harri54 on Sept 29, 2024 14:43:18 GMT 1
What asset stripping did DH do?Selling LOB for £5 million felt cheap at the time but that's about it. If anything it was the opposite of asset stripping. We'd assembled an expensive squad that was worth fuck all after their calamitas second Premier league season. He refused to put any more money in after Hodgkinson's companies went into administration but continued to pay the wage bill until Nagle bought the Club. Other than that agree that Duff needs time and this won't be a fast fix or quick return to the championship. Parachute payments that were supposed to ease the transition from PL to Championship? Tripe, net loss cannot be asset stripping! |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 14:47:00 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? |
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Post by Maynardblue on Sept 29, 2024 14:50:58 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? Maybe he just doesn't have an ounce of ambition then? 🤷 |
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Post by harri54 on Sept 29, 2024 14:52:57 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? May I. DATM truth, i.e. it was once speculated, repeated, became uncontestable. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 29, 2024 14:53:19 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? There isn't. But I've always been wary of Cartwright and thought it was a strange, convenient appointment given one of his best mates and former employer Gary Mellor's company was advising over the takeover... |
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Post by harri54 on Sept 29, 2024 14:54:40 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? Maybe he just doesn't have an ounce of ambition then? 🤷 Oh my god, is this the great ITK getting anti owner, again? |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 29, 2024 15:15:17 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? Maybe he just doesn't have an ounce of ambition then? 🤷 Or believes in MC's ability to do the job? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 15:15:42 GMT 1
KN watches all the games so he sees what we see. It would be lovely if we could get every player we wanted at the price we were prepared to pay but we can't. Alfie May and Joe Taylor are examples of this plus probably a load of players we don't know about. I don't think Michael Duff spins tales so if he talks to KN I think it will be pretty honest. A bit of patience at the moment would go a long way. Patience? Christ. I think our fanbase must be the most patient across the entire football league. You wouldn’t know it reading DATM. |
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Post by Wingman on Sept 29, 2024 15:21:49 GMT 1
Maybe he just doesn't have an ounce of ambition then? 🤷 Oh my god, is this the great ITK getting anti owner, again? Maynard has given enough info over the years to have some slack given, enough faith invested. Who know's if this is true or not. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Sept 29, 2024 15:27:39 GMT 1
I really like Kevin Nagle. I think he's a breath of fresh air for the club.
But he needs the right people running the football side of things for him - this isn't hindsight. This was painfully obvious from the start.
Kevin's a smart and passionate guy, he will realise this, hopefully very soon.
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Post by potlessphil on Sept 29, 2024 15:28:12 GMT 1
So are fans completely powerless then? A protest could be a formal stay away protest… Things aren’t working. The resources are there but the recruitment has been ineffective, for players and managers. Football is about results at the end of the day and we’ve lost 6/7 in what looks a very poor league. We look like a confused group of strangers on the pitch. We don’t create much and we concede shocking goals. Swings and roundabouts jp. Didn’t hear anyone piping up about a protest prior to 8 days ago. Yeah it’s been a shit week of 3 defeats. We currently look poor but it’s a long old season. A lot of knee jerking going on at the moment as per. Knee-jerking? Have you been living in a cave since 2018? We must have the worst win/lost record in the EFL We have the worse GD in the EFL over the last 10 years After year and years of decline how is any of this a knee jerk reaction? We’ve gotten worse and worse due to bad decision after bad decision “Knee-jerk” is the last word I’d use for people’s reactions I’d use words more akin to “exasperated, exhausted, let down, angry, unsurprised” - and they’re just the polite ones |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Sept 29, 2024 15:34:08 GMT 1
I really like Kevin Nagle. I think he's a breath of fresh air for the club. But he needs the right people running the football side of things for him - this isn't hindsight. This was painfully obvious from the start. Kevin's a smart and passionate guy, he will realise this, hopefully very soon. can i ask - Is kev even a billionaire? does he have the funds to back up his mouth so to speak , do you know ? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 15:41:49 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? Maybe he just doesn't have an ounce of ambition then? 🤷 I'm not implying that you're wrong, just that I didn't see how that particular article suggested or added to the notion KN was contractually obliged to empty MC. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 15:43:40 GMT 1
Forgive me but I don't see anything written in that article suggesting that KN was contractually obliged to appoint MC. Can you elaborate? There isn't. But I've always been wary of Cartwright and thought it was a strange, convenient appointment given one of his best mates and former employer Gary Mellor's company was advising over the takeover... Can't disagree that it does have an air of being 'oddly convenient'. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 29, 2024 15:43:52 GMT 1
I really like Kevin Nagle. I think he's a breath of fresh air for the club. But he needs the right people running the football side of things for him - this isn't hindsight. This was painfully obvious from the start. Kevin's a smart and passionate guy, he will realise this, hopefully very soon. can i ask - Is kev even a billionaire? does he have the funds to back up his mouth so to speak , do you know ? I don’t think Maynard has access to Kev’s bank accounts. |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 29, 2024 15:44:11 GMT 1
Reading the last few pages.
A small minority of our fanbase are really embarrassing themselves.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Anyone with any knowledge will understand that.
Things take time.
Those that are being like petty schoolkids would be the first to moan if KN called it a day.
Results have been terrible-Bolton aside- over the last 7 games. Even the 'happy clapper' camp would admit that. But the club is in good hands.
There are a lot of mistakes from previous owners that still haven't been sorted, along with mistakes from the new regime.
People just need to chill and enjoy their Sundays!
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 29, 2024 15:44:46 GMT 1
I really like Kevin Nagle. I think he's a breath of fresh air for the club. But he needs the right people running the football side of things for him - this isn't hindsight. This was painfully obvious from the start. Kevin's a smart and passionate guy, he will realise this, hopefully very soon. Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Sept 29, 2024 15:47:51 GMT 1
I really like Kevin Nagle. I think he's a breath of fresh air for the club. But he needs the right people running the football side of things for him - this isn't hindsight. This was painfully obvious from the start. Kevin's a smart and passionate guy, he will realise this, hopefully very soon. can i ask - Is kev even a billionaire? does he have the funds to back up his mouth so to speak , do you know ? No idea bud |
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Post by Sio on Sept 29, 2024 16:10:15 GMT 1
Maybe he just doesn't have an ounce of ambition then? 🤷 I'm not implying that you're wrong, just that I didn't see how that particular article suggested or added to the notion KN was contractually obliged to empty MC. Whether MB is correct or not (no reason to not believe the theory), it's not going to be something in the public domain. The article was merely posted to draw attention to the fact that Beswicks brokered the deal. Cartwright could very easily have been 'offered' as part of that process. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 29, 2024 16:16:15 GMT 1
Reading the last few pages. A small minority of our fanbase are really embarrassing themselves. Rome wasn't built in a day. Anyone with any knowledge will understand that. Things take time. Those that are being like petty schoolkids would be the first to moan if KN called it a day. Results have been terrible-Bolton aside- over the last 7 games. Even the 'happy clapper' camp would admit that. But the club is in good hands. There are a lot of mistakes from previous owners that still haven't been sorted, along with mistakes from the new regime. People just need to chill and enjoy their Sundays! We 'chilled and enjoyed our sundays' until warnock saved the day, same again as 3 wins in 23 followed where we were told to chill, whilst Rome was being built. Chilled as we failed fantastically under a new manager and chilled during a summer where 'big talk' out did the business done by some tune. Chilled in our 3 game winning streak where all 3 games could easily have gone very badly wrong if luck had not been firmly with us. So we chill again and look to see if even the groundwork has been done properly to fucking build Rome on??? Allowing problems caused by those who went before to continue isnt sorting anything? Having a squad that cannot go behind in a game and come back or continually just switches off whilst playing nothing balls for no reason till they get caught with it or fuck it up isnt building Rome, its absolutely basic football and we are not good enough or motivated enough. This bloke isnt going to change it on the pitch, the owner will need to back him and tell him to drop who he likes for as long as he likes to get some discipline back in the squad and at least get some shirts on the pitch with bodies in them that want to play and are going to give it all they have. We are almost in slo motion when we get the ball, nobody appears anywhere they are not supposed to and we are easily countered and then beaten. The opposition look to have more players, the biggest giveaway that we are not working hard enough and Im sorry the talent is not there to win a third division game without a shitload of luck if we dont outwork the opposition. We could chill and watch this season follow the last 2 though.. Perhaps we build a better Rome in the 4th Division, will be pretty much the same players because nobody else will be offering anything but admin costs to take them?? At this moment we have nobody better or indeed close to being as good or influential in this division as probably 20 other clubs here, I think we will be better than 3 or 4 others even if the form continues. Im far more annoyed than last season or the one before, we have built the square root of fuck all and accepted 'just enough' or 'what do the fans expect' as some sort of excuse or reason for being dreadful again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 16:16:19 GMT 1
There isn't. But I've always been wary of Cartwright and thought it was a strange, convenient appointment given one of his best mates and former employer Gary Mellor's company was advising over the takeover... Can't disagree that it does have an air of being 'oddly convenient'. I thought both Cartwright and Edwards were known to KN through the work they had done in the States. As I understand it he had worked with them in America on football matters and trusted their ability. Am I incorrect on this? It is only my recollection. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 29, 2024 16:22:17 GMT 1
I'm not implying that you're wrong, just that I didn't see how that particular article suggested or added to the notion KN was contractually obliged to empty MC. Whether MB is correct or not (no reason to not believe the theory), it's not going to be something in the public domain. The article was merely posted to draw attention to the fact that Beswicks brokered the deal. Cartwright could very easily have been 'offered' as part of that process. I thought he was employed by Edwards because he was his mate? And now can't/won't be sacked by him. Things get made up as we go. Sack everyone, get the tea lady out too, she has been miserable lately and isn't helping the positivity of the players. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 29, 2024 16:28:19 GMT 1
How many times does it say ‘complex’ in that piece? |
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Post by Mounie for nothing on Sept 29, 2024 16:34:32 GMT 1
How many times does it say ‘complex’ in that piece? 3. What do I win? |
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Post by ldr on Sept 29, 2024 16:42:34 GMT 1
How many times does it say ‘complex’ in that piece? 3. What do I win? An NDA! |
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Post by efesodje23 on Sept 29, 2024 17:33:10 GMT 1
I really like Kevin Nagle. I think he's a breath of fresh air for the club. But he needs the right people running the football side of things for him - this isn't hindsight. This was painfully obvious from the start. Kevin's a smart and passionate guy, he will realise this, hopefully very soon. can i ask - Is kev even a billionaire? does he have the funds to back up his mouth so to speak , do you know ? Net worth is often a very misleading and speculative figure |
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Post by harri54 on Sept 29, 2024 18:52:19 GMT 1
Reading the last few pages. A small minority of our fanbase are really embarrassing themselves. Rome wasn't built in a day. Anyone with any knowledge will understand that. Things take time. Those that are being like petty schoolkids would be the first to moan if KN called it a day. Results have been terrible-Bolton aside- over the last 7 games. Even the 'happy clapper' camp would admit that. But the club is in good hands. There are a lot of mistakes from previous owners that still haven't been sorted, along with mistakes from the new regime. People just need to chill and enjoy their Sundays! We 'chilled and enjoyed our sundays' until warnock saved the day, same again as 3 wins in 23 followed where we were told to chill, whilst Rome was being built. Chilled as we failed fantastically under a new manager and chilled during a summer where 'big talk' out did the business done by some tune. Chilled in our 3 game winning streak where all 3 games could easily have gone very badly wrong if luck had not been firmly with us. So we chill again and look to see if even the groundwork has been done properly to fucking build Rome on??? Allowing problems caused by those who went before to continue isnt sorting anything? Having a squad that cannot go behind in a game and come back or continually just switches off whilst playing nothing balls for no reason till they get caught with it or fuck it up isnt building Rome, its absolutely basic football and we are not good enough or motivated enough. This bloke isnt going to change it on the pitch, the owner will need to back him and tell him to drop who he likes for as long as he likes to get some discipline back in the squad and at least get some shirts on the pitch with bodies in them that want to play and are going to give it all they have. We are almost in slo motion when we get the ball, nobody appears anywhere they are not supposed to and we are easily countered and then beaten. The opposition look to have more players, the biggest giveaway that we are not working hard enough and Im sorry the talent is not there to win a third division game without a shitload of luck if we dont outwork the opposition. We could chill and watch this season follow the last 2 though.. Perhaps we build a better Rome in the 4th Division, will be pretty much the same players because nobody else will be offering anything but admin costs to take them?? At this moment we have nobody better or indeed close to being as good or influential in this division as probably 20 other clubs here, I think we will be better than 3 or 4 others even if the form continues. Im far more annoyed than last season or the one before, we have built the square root of fuck all and accepted 'just enough' or 'what do the fans expect' as some sort of excuse or reason for being dreadful again. Some context: many players contracts end after this season, not last. Many different players will be playing for town next season, in whatever division, determined also by how the incumbents perform this season. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 29, 2024 21:12:56 GMT 1
Can't disagree that it does have an air of being 'oddly convenient'. I thought both Cartwright and Edwards were known to KN through the work they had done in the States. As I understand it he had worked with them in America on football matters and trusted their ability. Am I incorrect on this? It is only my recollection. Yes it appeared that instead of going out and getting some experienced football men he chose a couple of football guys he knew and liked from the USL. I can almost see why he thought it was a good idea but it seemed daft and naive from the outset. In Kevin's situation you want the best not a couple of lower league ex pros who have had to go to the states to carve out a career. Neither were doing jobs remotely like the ones they do here. Not sure what happened with Warnock but I just suspect MC may have been involved. From then on in almost every single decision has been the wrong one. Added to that it seems that the significant injection of cash provided by the owner has been pissed up the wall. I think we're in a similar situation to the second PL season now with a few where not only have we got poor players, we're also stuck paying them for the foreseeable. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 29, 2024 21:38:27 GMT 1
I thought both Cartwright and Edwards were known to KN through the work they had done in the States. As I understand it he had worked with them in America on football matters and trusted their ability. Am I incorrect on this? It is only my recollection. Yes it appeared that instead of going out and getting some experienced football men he chose a couple of football guys he knew and liked from the USL. I can almost see why he thought it was a good idea but it seemed daft and naive from the outset. In Kevin's situation you want the best not a couple of lower league ex pros who have had to go to the states to carve out a career. Neither were doing jobs remotely like the ones they do here. Not sure what happened with Warnock but I just suspect MC may have been involved. From then on in almost every single decision has been the wrong one. Added to that it seems that the significant injection of cash provided by the owner has been pissed up the wall. I think we're in a similar situation to the second PL season now with a few where not only have we got poor players, we're also stuck paying them for the foreseeable. Wonder who Edwards agents are? 🤔 |
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