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Post by Sio on Nov 27, 2024 10:03:14 GMT 1
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Post by Niggled on Nov 27, 2024 10:08:54 GMT 1
You really do just have to laugh at this point. I like Dave but that's ridiculous. Let's get relegated again and again maybe we would win loads down there. |
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Post by Bubbles on Nov 27, 2024 10:25:40 GMT 1
God that makes me so angry..
They just don't get it!!
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Post by Sio on Nov 27, 2024 10:34:31 GMT 1
So because we beat Leyton Orient, the recruitment shouldn't be questioned?
Come on Dave, you need to pick the right battles here. With the greatest respect, I increasingly get the impression that you look down on our fanbase a bit - but let me tell you, a lot of people on here (and on Twitter!) do know what they're talking about and should not be dismissed just because we beat Leyton Orient or because we've won 9 games in League One.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Nov 27, 2024 10:41:40 GMT 1
Most of us are still very pissed off we're in this league playing the likes of Leyton Orient!
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Post by detox on Nov 27, 2024 10:43:06 GMT 1
I don't think anyone is impressed with that performance against a club heading to League 2. We were lucky (again) that our opponents missed good chances, we won't always get away with it. Your bar seems to be set very low...this is Level 3 football and we don't even look very good in it.
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Post by dezzly on Nov 27, 2024 10:43:30 GMT 1
So because we beat Leyton Orient, the recruitment shouldn't be questioned? Come on Dave, you need to pick the right battles here. With the greatest respect, I increasingly get the impression that you look down on our fanbase a bit - but let me tell you, a lot of people on here (and on Twitter!) do know what they're talking about and should not be dismissed just because we beat Leyton Orient or because we've won 9 games in League One. Would absolutely agree.I think for once recently the whole fan base tend to agree.We’re doing ok,results are good but it doesn’t feel quite right.To be honest if you breakdown most of duffs interviews I think he agrees too.The fan base also agree and like you say even ones that do know what they’re talking about,that at the top end of the pitch we are absolutely not good enough.That is t by design either it’s because of individual quality and/or application.At this point it’s almost a fact not opinion. |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 27, 2024 11:24:46 GMT 1
So because we beat Leyton Orient, the recruitment shouldn't be questioned? Come on Dave, you need to pick the right battles here. With the greatest respect, I increasingly get the impression that you look down on our fanbase a bit - but let me tell you, a lot of people on here (and on Twitter!) do know what they're talking about and should not be dismissed just because we beat Leyton Orient or because we've won 9 games in League One. Its ludicrously ill-judged sneeryism, trying to be smart with one-up-manship one-liners to dismiss legitimate concerns about the way things are going simply won't wash on the fan base and is going to make things tougher than they need to be. We've just bagged a freak last minute goal in another disjointed performance to secure a 2-0 win against a team that sits in the relegation zone, who were in the National League when we were in the Premier League, in a game in a crappy division where there's only 2 clubs in the top half of the table that have lost more than we have. We need to be more humble, we're a long way from earning the right to gloat or act like kids who don't know better🤷♂️ I do wonder if its down to long association with a culture of low jeopardy no-relegation sport - where the individual results can be more easily lauded, as they don't really mean that much collectively and it doesnt really matter if you're rubbish as long as there's something good to grab hold of every now and then. |
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Post by seasonticket on Nov 27, 2024 11:29:47 GMT 1
So because we beat Leyton Orient, the recruitment shouldn't be questioned? Come on Dave, you need to pick the right battles here. With the greatest respect, I increasingly get the impression that you look down on our fanbase a bit - but let me tell you, a lot of people on here (and on Twitter!) do know what they're talking about and should not be dismissed just because we beat Leyton Orient or because we've won 9 games in League One. Would absolutely agree.I think for once recently the whole fan base tend to agree.We’re doing ok,results are good but it doesn’t feel quite right.To be honest if you breakdown most of duffs interviews I think he agrees too.The fan base also agree and like you say even ones that do know what they’re talking about,that at the top end of the pitch we are absolutely not good enough.That is t by design either it’s because of individual quality and/or application.At this point it’s almost a fact not opinion. Wow someone claiming to be speaking for the whole fan base? On what legitimate basis? Last night the solid 800 of us at Orient supported the team throughout the game rather than spending their time raging on here from behind their keyboards! |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 27, 2024 11:30:33 GMT 1
So because we beat Leyton Orient, the recruitment shouldn't be questioned? Come on Dave, you need to pick the right battles here. With the greatest respect, I increasingly get the impression that you look down on our fanbase a bit - but let me tell you, a lot of people on here (and on Twitter!) do know what they're talking about and should not be dismissed just because we beat Leyton Orient or because we've won 9 games in League One. It's another tone deaf comment in an increasingly long line of them. As someone who has been a broad supporter of KN (and by extension, CD) since his arrival, I am becoming rather alarmed by their complete lack of self-awareness (a common trait amongst folk from the US). This tweet just goes to further the worry that they will use the positive results to gloss over the glaring weaknesses and gaps in our squad, which will inevitably come back to bite us, hard. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 27, 2024 11:34:03 GMT 1
Would absolutely agree.I think for once recently the whole fan base tend to agree.We’re doing ok,results are good but it doesn’t feel quite right.To be honest if you breakdown most of duffs interviews I think he agrees too.The fan base also agree and like you say even ones that do know what they’re talking about,that at the top end of the pitch we are absolutely not good enough.That is t by design either it’s because of individual quality and/or application.At this point it’s almost a fact not opinion. Wow someone claiming to be speaking for the whole fan base? On what legitimate basis? Last night the solid 800 of us at Orient last night supported the team throughout the game rather than spending their time raging on here from behind their keyboards! You attack the guy for claiming to speak for the whole fanbase (which he didn't) by then claiming to speak for everyone at the game last night. Just because folk support the team, doesn't mean they aren't largely dissatisfied by what they are seeing, which quite clearly is the case. |
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Post by ben1987 on Nov 27, 2024 11:35:43 GMT 1
I’m rapidly losing my love for the club the more I hear this pair.
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 27, 2024 11:36:05 GMT 1
You really do just have to laugh at this point. Yay, we're not getting relegated this season 😅 There's still time, the fat lady hasn't even cleared her throat yet  |
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Post by seasonticket on Nov 27, 2024 11:38:36 GMT 1
Wow someone claiming to be speaking for the whole fan base? On what legitimate basis? Last night the solid 800 of us at Orient last night supported the team throughout the game rather than spending their time raging on here from behind their keyboards! You attack the guy for claiming to speak for the whole fanbase (which he didn't) by then claiming to speak for everyone at the game last night. Just because folk support the team, doesn't mean they aren't largely dissatisfied by what they are seeing, which quite clearly is the case. I was not claiming to speak on behalf of everyone there last night - read my comment back! Just that the team were given fulsome support throughout the game! |
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Post by potlessphil on Nov 27, 2024 11:38:47 GMT 1
Still haven't seen us play well this season and I've watched every match!
We're awful. The system is awful. We're playing 5 defenders and 2/3 defensive midfielders in a league which 75% of which is League 2 standard.
Imagine blowing teams away scoring 2.5 goals a game like Wycombe are with half the budget we have.
Our "strikers" won't score 5 each this season which sums up how the club has been ran for 5 years.
Whomever thought Bojan, Ladapo and Healey were good buys needs sacking for gross negligence. In any other field they would be.
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Post by runner76 on Nov 27, 2024 11:42:50 GMT 1
To be fair, there is still plenty to be unhappy about, but I think I would spend my energy on focussing on the real problems with the current situation, and it's not Dave....
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Post by Sio on Nov 27, 2024 11:50:46 GMT 1
So because we beat Leyton Orient, the recruitment shouldn't be questioned? Come on Dave, you need to pick the right battles here. With the greatest respect, I increasingly get the impression that you look down on our fanbase a bit - but let me tell you, a lot of people on here (and on Twitter!) do know what they're talking about and should not be dismissed just because we beat Leyton Orient or because we've won 9 games in League One. about the way things are going simply won't wash on the fan base and is going to make things tougher than they need to be. We've just bagged a freak last minute goal in another disjointed performance to secure a 2-0 win against a team that sits in the relegation zone, who were in the National League when we were in the Premier League, in a game in a crappy division where there's only 2 clubs in the top half of the table that have lost more than we have. We need to be more humble, we're a long way from earning the right to gloat or act like kids who don't know better🤷♂️ I do wonder if its down to long association with a culture of low jeopardy no-relegation sport - where the individual results can be more easily lauded, as they don't really mean that much collectively and it doesnt really matter if you're rubbish as long as there's something good to grab hold of every now and then. I think you're bang on with the above statements - I've been thinking the same myself re: the no relegation / American sports thing. It's that lack of experience of a broader / bigger picture - each game and each season is its own entity and you celebrate it for what it is. Here, the previous few years or the following few years are always being thought about, and they matter - they drive the mood at the club, the numbers through the gate, the connection with the team. What we're experiencing right now is a very dour situation, and an outsider (again with respect, relatively speaking, Dave and Kev) would probably think 'you've won x games in a row, what's the problem?', and that's what these guys latch on to and use as a tool to mock our concerns. As others have said, I really want to like Kev and Dave and I do genuinely believe their hearts are in the right place, but this attitude when we pick up a few wins has to stop. It doesn't suddenly erase the concerns that have developed over the past few years, and a win against Leyton Orient doesn't suddenly eradicate issues around our recruitment. If an overly-optimistic fan such as Pete wants to make that claim then fine; but a club advisor (essentially an employee, however you spin it) should not be doing so. In my book, until we are back in the Championship, we are failing, and the club should be acting with some modesty. If we're having this same discussion sitting 5th in the Champ next year, fine, it's a different story. |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 27, 2024 11:57:56 GMT 1
Would absolutely agree.I think for once recently the whole fan base tend to agree.We’re doing ok,results are good but it doesn’t feel quite right.To be honest if you breakdown most of duffs interviews I think he agrees too.The fan base also agree and like you say even ones that do know what they’re talking about,that at the top end of the pitch we are absolutely not good enough.That is t by design either it’s because of individual quality and/or application.At this point it’s almost a fact not opinion. Wow someone claiming to be speaking for the whole fan base? On what legitimate basis? Last night the solid 800 of us at Orient supported the team throughout the game rather than spending their time raging on here from behind their keyboards! No one raging here just pointing out what feels like the general consensus.Nor am I speaking for an entire fan base,again just pointing out what seems to be the case. I’m generally pretty positive/central in how I view things. It’s also possible to be fully supportive of the team and give an opinion on something that seems to be wrong at the same time. Also what would be a legitimate basis to give an opinion on a general feel? I didn’t go last night so fair play to you in doing so,I struggle for lost away games due to young family and work but get to a handful a season and there for all home games,though I’m not sure why I’m staying credentials regarding being a supporter tbh. For the record I aren’t on here during a game. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Nov 27, 2024 12:25:45 GMT 1
I have been a supporter of yours on here Carmichael Dave but please dont post rubbish like this. We were a premier league club not so long ago, so dont go celebrating winning 9 in league 1 by Dec. Kevin was in charge when we got relegated to this damn division !! The quality of the football is awful and we are not much better. Our strikers are an absolute joke and numerous of these were signed under kevin's ownership.
We also won 9 in the premier league:
Huddersfield
WON 9 LOST 19 DRAW 10
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Post by sonny on Nov 27, 2024 12:38:32 GMT 1
Anyone who thinks that last night was evidence of a resurgent Huddersfield just doesn't understand the game. Koroma, Radulovic and Ladapo turned in (yet again) some of the most inept performances I've seen from Town players in the past 50-odd years. Ladapo was only on the pitch for half an hour but still managed to hit the roof and his own face.
I said when they took over that Americans don't understand relegation and this clown's latest post makes that painfully obvious. Seems he also has a low bar when it comes to success, too. Super-excited for you, Dave.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 27, 2024 12:43:12 GMT 1
What all this definitely does prove is we definitely aren't in 'safe hands'. The petulance from KN and DC on X is incredibly disrespectful to the fans who have been there considerably longer than they have and will when KN sells. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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Post by ldr on Nov 27, 2024 12:50:59 GMT 1
A fundamental problem here is that KN and DC don’t understand or recognise an acceptable level of performance. Their baseline is shit as that’s what we’ve largely been during their tenure.
As lifelong fans, we’ve seen it all and this team, despite their league position, has so many flaws that we keep getting completely disjointed performances. We see it and some of us lose our shit about it whilst others accept it for what it is. KN/DC do not have that wealth of experiences to draw on and just see 5th position (in a below average league).
January is the key to everything imo.
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Post by ram on Nov 27, 2024 12:51:33 GMT 1
These 2 Americans are used to watching Sac.Republic,so obviously think last nights {and other} performances were Good.With the attitude that this tweet was made in, I don,t expect things to get any better with these clowns in charge.
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Post by dugnet on Nov 27, 2024 12:56:05 GMT 1
I totally understand the US culture that celebrates success and believes in a positive outlook but I am not sure this really works.
We do need to be positive and I don't see anything other than naivety on Dave's part here but the powers that be need to remember we do know what we are watching.
This is a poor league and it is encouraging we are finding a way to win games but we are a long way from being a convincing team (even at this level).
We are only a bad performance away from people being frustrated again. If we keep winning, and there are some quality additions in January, then encouraging the fan base will be more appropriate.
I am hopeful MD is dragging things together but we know the team has shortcomings. Hopefully there will be a time to get properly excited in the future but those in charge need to read the room again. That's not being critical of them being positive but it is offering context why people are entirely onboard yet (with the new regime).
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Post by thomasheary on Nov 27, 2024 12:58:02 GMT 1
This attitude reminds me of the mocking of fans that aren’t happy with Cartwright on the last diary.
The funny thing is it’s the fans that are right and them who are wrong.
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 27, 2024 13:16:51 GMT 1
Patronising so and so. I've forgotten more about this team than he'll ever know. What's the point in this behaviour other than trying to antagonise the fans?
I'm delighted we're winning games but the standard of football is way off, and I don't trust our long term direction. This is pretty much a consensus among the fans I reckon.
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Post by henryc on Nov 27, 2024 13:24:38 GMT 1
I’ve remained supportive of CD and KN since the takeover but if they can’t ignore dickheads complaining online then this is the wrong project for them.
We will still have the same amount if not more of online pricks and wums even if we get back to back promotions, we even get rival fans pretending to support Town on here trying to increase negativity.
Worrying times.
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Post by Sio on Nov 27, 2024 13:33:01 GMT 1
A fundamental problem here is that KN and DC don’t understand or recognise an acceptable level of performance. Their baseline is shit as that’s what we’ve largely been during their tenure. As lifelong fans, we’ve seen it all and this team, despite their league position, has so many flaws that we keep getting completely disjointed performances. We see it and some of us lose our shit about it whilst others accept it for what it is. KN/DC do not have that wealth of experiences to draw on and just see 5th position (in a below average league). January is the key to everything imo. An interesting point. I suppose a comparison would be Hoyle firing Clark in the 2012 promotion year - from the outside it looked daft, but we all knew that Clark wasn't taking us up, Hoyle included, and the decision was proven correct. I'm not for a minute suggesting I want Duff gone, but if we were in a similar situation, I doubt Kev and co would be able to see the picture playing out and dare make that necessary decision. It's not completely dissimilar now, I suppose - we are in a weirdly decent position, but something isn't right, and it will catch us up either this season or next. Our foundations are currently very weak and that's what our fanbase is trying to nail home to the higher-ups - but it's mocked because we've won a few games. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Nov 27, 2024 13:40:27 GMT 1
Its interesting to see this thread pop up on here, as I was having a discussion on Twitter the other day with both Dave and Kev with regards to their social media interactions with fans as what I saw concerned me and I'm glad to see others are now starting to voice their views about it.
I find it all very weird way to act. They come across at times as people who are desperate to be liked and don't seem to be able any criticism and have a weird smugness about them (Daves posts last night a perfect example) Sometimes it even comes across as bullying, both trying to humiliate fans of the club who have been around for years. If anything they should be taking on board comments made by these fans as, as pointed out by someone above, some do actually know what they are talking about.
Dave tries to justify the way he acts by claiming he is a 'fan' I'm not sure that washes with me yet. He may have developed an interest since his mate has took over, but to call himself a fan equal to those of who have been around for years, which is where a lot of the ill feeling comes from. They have just walked in and think they are equal to those who have been around for years.
Its also interesting how they magically appear with the smart arse comments when we win, but disappear when we lose and fire cheap shots on diaries that fans are out of order for whinging about stuff which are perfectly legitimate concerns.
They need to be careful in how the continue to operate, as from what I have seen the negative feeling towards them is growing from a lot of fans and once a line is crossed for many it will never be crossed back over and the repercussions could have bigger consequences then either of them probably realise.
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Nov 27, 2024 13:55:00 GMT 1
Wasn't Dave just pointing out that we'd won and that that's a good thing ? I tend to agree
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