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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 27, 2024 14:01:03 GMT 1
2 words. Social media (again).
This just amplifies a divide that shouldn’t really be there.
Supporting a football club is different to supporting or working for a business. But imagine if your CEO at work was out there on social media having the occasional spat with members of the workforce? It wouldn’t last long would it.
Social media (in the main) can destroy objectivity and reasoned debate.
There’s been shite posted on DATM for years, and that will continue. But when your owner wants to become one of the gang it really needs to be thought through a bit more.
I’m all for good comms from the club, but that comms should have clear boundaries, otherwise we end up here. Agitating a supporter base that doesn’t need much agitating at the best of times, and one that countless people have said, is perplexed by what they’re seeing on the pitch.
It’s nothing close to a sense of entitlement either, it’s a really odd season where we’re playing poorly yet still find ourselves fifth.
Sio beat me to it with the comparison with the Lee Clark sacking. Everyone outside of our fan base was scratching their heads, sacking a Manager who had recently achieved a record breaking *unbeaten run of games.
I think there’s a few need to lay off the sauce of social media for a while, and let the players and management try and work out why we’re such an enigma just now.
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Nov 27, 2024 14:01:07 GMT 1
You really do just have to laugh at this point. Like patting yourself on the back for being the best looking man on the burns unit |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Nov 27, 2024 14:03:23 GMT 1
Wasn't Dave just pointing out that we'd won and that that's a good thing ? I tend to agree He was but that wasn’t the point that the original tweet was making. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Nov 27, 2024 14:16:24 GMT 1
Wasn't Dave just pointing out that we'd won and that that's a good thing ? I tend to agree It was clearly posted as 'shut up and don't question recruitment because we have just won' |
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 27, 2024 14:16:24 GMT 1
I blame DC and KN for rising to the bait. They must realise by now that DATM and Twitter are full of fuckwits.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Nov 27, 2024 14:18:40 GMT 1
Wasn't Dave just pointing out that we'd won and that that's a good thing ? I tend to agree Yes. I think Dave is a naturally positive person who is rightly celebrating a victory. He certainly does not intend to antagonise people, I’m sure. In fact, he’s exactly the opposite, always trying to build links with the fans and I admire him for that. Problem is, that it’s impossible for someone who’s only recently started to watch English football, to fully appreciate our concerns. That’s only natural. We’ve been relegated to a depressing ( imo) league. We’ve have no games which make the adrenaline pump when you wake up on a Saturday morning and frankly, the decisions made on striker recruitment have been appalling. We have not put in one commanding performance this season, winning games often because of the ineptitude of the opponent. So, our mediocrity is often good enough against the majority of teams in this league, but we need an extra spark to catch the Wycombe’s and Stockport’s. I truly hope the club recognise what’s needed to get us over the line and act upon it. Because when Dave see’s the fans response at our first home game back in the Championship he’ll see the real us. |
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Nov 27, 2024 14:24:46 GMT 1
Wasn't Dave just pointing out that we'd won and that that's a good thing ? I tend to agree It was clearly posted as 'shut up and don't question recruitment because we have just won' Clear to you maybe. I just think he's happy we won |
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Post by Sio on Nov 27, 2024 14:31:53 GMT 1
I blame DC and KN for rising to the bait. They must realise by now that DATM and Twitter is full of fuckwits. Is it, though? To me that's such a broad take to diminish views that you might not agree with. As another poster has mentioned, this feels like one of the most unified periods of DATM that we've had in years. On the whole most seem to see the same thing playing out on and off the pitch. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Nov 27, 2024 14:31:58 GMT 1
It was clearly posted as 'shut up and don't question recruitment because we have just won' Clear to you maybe. I just think he's happy we won I've no issue with him being happy, I was happy we won as well so I tweeted that I was happy. I just tweeted though, I didn't go looking for people who weren't happy and make sly digs at them suggesting I know better. Dave could have done the same, he could have just put out that he was happy with the win, but he choose not to. He chose to go looking for 'negative' tweets and quoted a tweeter who he has had run ins/discussions with in the past about being 'negative' to try and suggest that he (Dave) knows better, and that is a perfect example of what this current discussion is about and why a lot of fans are starting to get aggrieved with way he interacts with fans on social media. |
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Post by dezzly on Nov 27, 2024 14:34:25 GMT 1
2 words. Social media (again). This just amplifies a divide that shouldn’t really be there. Supporting a football club is different to supporting or working for a business. But imagine if your CEO at work was out there on social media having the occasional spat with members of the workforce? It wouldn’t last long would it. Social media (in the main) can destroy objectivity and reasoned debate. There’s been shite posted on DATM for years, and that will continue. But when your owner wants to become one of the gang it really needs to be thought through a bit more. I’m all for good comms from the club, but that comms should have clear boundaries, otherwise we end up here. Agitating a supporter base that doesn’t need much agitating at the best of times, and one that countless people have said, is perplexed by what they’re seeing on the pitch. It’s nothing close to a sense of entitlement either, it’s a really odd season where we’re playing poorly yet still find ourselves fifth. Sio beat me to it with the comparison with the Lee Clark sacking. Everyone outside of our fan base was scratching their heads, sacking a Manager who had recently achieved a record breaking *unbeaten run of games. I think there’s a few need to lay off the sauce of social media for a while, and let the players and management try and work out why we’re such an enigma just now. Excellent post 👏🏻 |
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Post by Justasmithers on Nov 27, 2024 14:44:23 GMT 1
Its interesting to see this thread pop up on here, as I was having a discussion on Twitter the other day with both Dave and Kev with regards to their social media interactions with fans as what I saw concerned me and I'm glad to see others are now starting to voice their views about it. I find it all very weird way to act. They come across at times as people who are desperate to be liked and don't seem to be able any criticism and have a weird smugness about them (Daves posts last night a perfect example) Sometimes it even comes across as bullying, both trying to humiliate fans of the club who have been around for years. If anything they should be taking on board comments made by these fans as, as pointed out by someone above, some do actually know what they are talking about. Dave tries to justify the way he acts by claiming he is a 'fan' I'm not sure that washes with me yet. He may have developed an interest since his mate has took over, but to call himself a fan equal to those of who have been around for years, which is where a lot of the ill feeling comes from. They have just walked in and think they are equal to those who have been around for years. Its also interesting how they magically appear with the smart arse comments when we win, but disappear when we lose and fire cheap shots on diaries that fans are out of order for whinging about stuff which are perfectly legitimate concerns. They need to be careful in how the continue to operate, as from what I have seen the negative feeling towards them is growing from a lot of fans and once a line is crossed for many it will never be crossed back over and the repercussions could have bigger consequences then either of them probably realise. Oh boy. Good morning all, it’s 5:09am over here and I’m sipping my coffee while reading this, and what I’m reading has woken me up more than the caffeine. One of the reasons I like this place is it allows for nuance and open conversation, whereas the 280 characters (letters, not people) are limiting. And I’m quoting Ginger Ogre simply because it covered a few things, and I also appreciate where he’s coming from. A very good place I believe. 1. “Smug/Condescending/etc”………couldn’t be further from the truth. Let’s see, I couldn’t have found Huddersfield on a map 2 years ago vs people that have had this club as a religion for generations. I think the biggest thing I take exception to is the idea that I’m aloof or unaware of this. (By the way, I won’t speak for KN here, but I can assure you there’s a 99% chance he’d mirror what I’m saying). One of the coolest things about being a part of this is the fact that the supporter base is so vast and so passionate. And I get it- I’m a born and bred Sacramento Kings fan. It’s the only top level major league sport we have here (no offense to SRFC, they’ve been trying to get there). I’d be the equivalent of what you’d call an “ultra” over here I believe. Anytime we’ve had an ownership change, ESPECIALLY if they’re not from Sacramento, there’s always a raised eyebrow and a sense of “invading the castle”. So I get that part. 2. “Humiliating fans, etc……” I think there are some that do a good job of that themselves. That being said, there seems to be this idea, and likely because it’s the norm, that there’s a code of conduct/ethics that are different for me. Granted, YES, there are certainly things I wouldn’t say or do that I might with no connection to the club. I’ve said from day one, if I’m ever guilty of anything, it’s of being unfiltered and honest. There are those that would take that as a sign of disrespect which baffles me- to me the biggest disrespect would be to give some sort of corporate speak robot response, or not at all. To me, that would be the ultimate condescension. Example: “Dave these strikers suck, Cartwright Out, wake up Nagle” (that’s 95% of the posts to me) My response: “Thanks for your passion Alistair! (I picked a British sounding name randomly). I’ll pass it along! Check out the team store for the latest deals on our winter wardrobe just in time for Christmas!!” Yuck. To me, THAT’S disrespectful. 3. “We got relegated/we looked poor in the win”……. I mean this with the most respect and honesty: YA THINK?? Of COURSE I get it. I watch every second of every match, and I’m throwing things when we miss a wide open chance or PK or whatever. I’m also going to be slightly measured with specifics because I’m not trying to openly insult the team or players, but I also know they’re frustrated as hell at it too. It’s their livelihoods. It’s not like they WANT to miss. It’s sports. But I get it, and it’s frustrating. As far as the relegation/lower level competition, again of COURSE. We may not have relegation here but surely I can imagine if my San Francisco Giants were relegated to AAA next year they’d win far more games. But can’t we have small/big picture? Yes I get that matching last year’s win total in November comes with an asterisk, of course I do. But what’s the alternative? Be pissed off until we get promoted? And then still a little annoyed until we get promoted again? Can’t I from 50,000 feet be aware of the periphery, the league/strikers/injuries/whatever and also at ground level be happy that we’re winning? Because we’re here. Only way out is to win. So that’s the immediate goal, right? To win and get out and move the goalposts and set larger goals and win some more? Honestly, is that naive of me? I just like winning in the day to day, with bigger dreams on the horizon. 4. “This or that player(s) is bad, recruitment/this or that exec is poor etc” This is the lava pit for me. You’re never going to see me openly criticize a player or executive, quite simply because it’s not my place to do so. That’s the one thing I won’t do, it does no good. And by the way if I did, you lot would kill me for it, and you’d be right. But I CAN speak in generalities. Just because it’s not acknowledged or responded to, doesn’t mean it’s not heard. And odds are already being dealt with/prepared for. But I get the frustration. Trust me, the amount of DMs on Twitter I get with roster suggestions underscores it This is all a long way of me saying this is who I am. As I told Ginger Ogre last week, it’s just a lot easier to be real. One might say “ignore the negative ones then” and it’s obviously a completely fair point. And I’d say 99% of the time, we do. I’d also say we need to spend more time on responding to all supporters, not just the ones having a go. But this club has taken over my life. I promise you it has, in all the best ways. I got back late last month just in time for my son’s 16th birthday on a Sunday, and went straight to my other job (the morning radio show) the next day. Home in Sacramento at 6p, dinner at 7, back up at 3:30a for work. I leave here in a couple weeks to come back for a few days, I’ll miss my mum’s 79th, but she knows I’ll make it up to her. And it’s 1000% worth it. I wish I could clone myself and split time between the two places. And if it wasn’t for my kids getting ready for university and my parents’ advancing age, I’d likely be there full time by now. And when I’m there, I do all I can to sneak out of the Director’s Box and sit near the CL, because those are my people. Before the match you can find me out front, at halftime you’ll find me near the concessions, and back out front post match. Because that’s where I can learn the most. That’s where I can hear/see directly what can improve and what the feedback is, and that’s where I feel I can make my best contribution to you and the club. I’m not for everyone, and that’s ok. I get that my demeanor will sometimes piss certain folks off, and I’ve come to peace with that. Just know that I love you guys, I respect you guys, I’m in love with this club, and I want nothing, nothing, and did I say NOTHING but the success you deserve both on and off the pitch. I swear on all that’s holy I do. Take care. PS: I just re-read this novel for typos and a couple things: 1. I would like someone to acknowledge I used “university” instead of “college”, and “mum” instead of “mom” without even thinking about it. You’re rubbing off on me. 2. My man GO- I did not go “looking” for posters, I assure you they were already in my inbox. And most I’ve interacted with before. Just the night prior there was a back and forth with a supporter called Josh which started out relatively nasty and ended with a very good understanding and mutual respect. Those are the interactions that mean so much to me. Also, as far as being quieter when we lose, that’s an example of learned behavior based on fanbase response. I think both he and I make it a point to post/say something fairly benign when things are going poorly, but have also learned that no one wants to hear it when we’re losing. There’s literally nothing that can be said without being accused of not “reading the room”. Which I totally get. But no one, certainly not me, is saying that because I’ve been a fan for almost two years we are “on the same level”. I’m not competing here. I get it. 3. Lastly- please do not take all this as me saying I’m infallible or don’t make mistakes. That’s not it at all. As always I’m learning, and the more I learn the more vocal I’ll be to an extent. And there will be hits and misses. And I’m not naive enough to think anything I say will be loved by all, quite the opposite. But I can promise you it will always be a real, human response. That’s the best I can do and it’s the interaction I believe you deserve out of respect. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 27, 2024 15:00:53 GMT 1
I blame DC and KN for rising to the bait. They must realise by now that DATM and Twitter is full of fuckwits. Is it, though? To me that's such a broad take to diminish views that you might not agree with. As another poster has mentioned, this feels like one of the most unified periods of DATM that we've had in years. On the whole most seem to see the same thing playing out on and off the pitch. So, a guy who had no affiliation with the club came in and saved it from administration. He's put millions of his own money into the club to recruit playing staff. He's put millions of his own money into refurbishing a crumbling stadium which he doesn't even own yet, including a social club for fans serving ale that is half decent. And then... he/his aide posts something on Twitter that has some fans fainting at being supposedly slighted. I shouldn't have said "fuckwits" it was wrong of me. "Fucktards" is probably more apt. |
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Post by Sio on Nov 27, 2024 15:04:27 GMT 1
Is it, though? To me that's such a broad take to diminish views that you might not agree with. As another poster has mentioned, this feels like one of the most unified periods of DATM that we've had in years. On the whole most seem to see the same thing playing out on and off the pitch. So, a guy who had no affiliation with the club came in and saved it from administration. He's put millions of his own money into the club to recruit playing staff. He's put millions of his own money into refurbishing a crumbling stadium which he doesn't even own yet, including a social club for fans serving ale that is half decent. And then... he/his aide posts something on Twitter that has some fans fainting at being supposedly slighted. I shouldn't have said "fuckwits" it was wrong of me. "Fucktards" is probably more apt. He didn't, but OK. The rest, I don't disagree with - as said previously, Kev has shown a lot of promising signs as an owner, he just needs to stop rising to people and trying to bait them (more CD then Kev) on social media. Do you see that from a single other professional football club other than the head case ones like Sheff Weds? No, and there's a reason for that. |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Nov 27, 2024 15:07:02 GMT 1
It feels that we moan a lot
But one has to take into account the recent history of pain (self inflicted mostly)
Although Its good that our standards or expectations are high now
Yes theres frustration, but its based on the fact most of us know that with a couple more pieces in place we will go up automatically.
I haven't seen any side that in this league that we cant beat on a good day with fit key players and a proper front line
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 27, 2024 15:19:06 GMT 1
Christ I've seen some overreactions on here but this one is right up there.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 27, 2024 15:33:01 GMT 1
You attack the guy for claiming to speak for the whole fanbase (which he didn't) by then claiming to speak for everyone at the game last night. Just because folk support the team, doesn't mean they aren't largely dissatisfied by what they are seeing, which quite clearly is the case. I was not claiming to speak on behalf of everyone there last night - read my comment back! Just that the team were given fulsome support throughout the game! And neither was the other guy, who you were attempting to shoot down for voicing valid criticism, please don't pretend otherwise. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Nov 27, 2024 16:23:25 GMT 1
One of the biggest problems is that (a) Dave sometimes acts like he is a representative of the club, when he isn't, and (b) fans regularly treat him like one. Therefore any controversial posts are seen as a reflection of a club communication, when they aren't.
If he was simply seen as (and acted like) a fellow fan and a facilitator of communication for the chairman then things would be a lot better.
Regarding the interviews that go out on Twitter, let's remember that these are NOT an official club communication and that Dave is always the interviewer and rarely offers his opinion on matters, which is a good thing. So people need to reposition how they think of him in terms of his relation with HTAFC.
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Post by mosher on Nov 27, 2024 16:49:38 GMT 1
Wow.
I'm (as has been pointed out in a derogatory manner) one of the ownership's biggest "cheerleaders/champions/supporters"** but that is incredibly naive and (intentionally or otherwise) condescending.
** I'm none of those in truth, I'm just giving them more benefit of the doubt than others seem to.
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Post by mosher on Nov 27, 2024 16:51:11 GMT 1
Its interesting to see this thread pop up on here, as I was having a discussion on Twitter the other day with both Dave and Kev with regards to their social media interactions with fans as what I saw concerned me and I'm glad to see others are now starting to voice their views about it. I find it all very weird way to act. They come across at times as people who are desperate to be liked and don't seem to be able any criticism and have a weird smugness about them (Daves posts last night a perfect example) Sometimes it even comes across as bullying, both trying to humiliate fans of the club who have been around for years. If anything they should be taking on board comments made by these fans as, as pointed out by someone above, some do actually know what they are talking about. Dave tries to justify the way he acts by claiming he is a 'fan' I'm not sure that washes with me yet. He may have developed an interest since his mate has took over, but to call himself a fan equal to those of who have been around for years, which is where a lot of the ill feeling comes from. They have just walked in and think they are equal to those who have been around for years. Its also interesting how they magically appear with the smart arse comments when we win, but disappear when we lose and fire cheap shots on diaries that fans are out of order for whinging about stuff which are perfectly legitimate concerns. They need to be careful in how the continue to operate, as from what I have seen the negative feeling towards them is growing from a lot of fans and once a line is crossed for many it will never be crossed back over and the repercussions could have bigger consequences then either of them probably realise. For some on here (and other places tbf) that line was crossed when KN and/or his advisors sacked Colin. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 27, 2024 16:52:11 GMT 1
Wasn't Dave just pointing out that we'd won and that that's a good thing ? I tend to agree The 2-0 blackboard one I'd agree, but the one comparing the two seasons was a mistake and comes across condescending in the least. Edit: I won't delete/retract these posts but I have to say the response from Justasmithers was good. |
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Post by Justasmithers on Nov 27, 2024 16:56:18 GMT 1
Wasn't Dave just pointing out that we'd won and that that's a good thing ? I tend to agree The 2-0 blackboard one I'd agree, but the one comparing the two seasons was a mistake and comes across condescending in the least. Apologies, certainly not my intent. As I said above, with complete knowledge of the drop in competition, it just seems to me that we’ve enjoyed a nice run the last 6 weeks and have already matched our win total from last season. I know from 50,000 feet there are other things at play, I just think at the end of the day winning feels better than losing (or drawing as we did 1000 times last year). So forgive the analogy, but it’s as we won the battle but still have a war ahead if that makes sense. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 27, 2024 17:01:35 GMT 1
The 2-0 blackboard one I'd agree, but the one comparing the two seasons was a mistake and comes across condescending in the least. Apologies, certainly not my intent. As I said above, with complete knowledge of the drop in competition, it just seems to me that we’ve enjoyed a nice run the last 6 weeks and have already matched our win total from last season. I know from 50,000 feet there are other things at play, I just think at the end of the day winning feels better than losing (or drawing as we did 1000 times last year). So forgive the analogy, but it’s as we won the battle but still have a war ahead if that makes sense. Ha, I just edited the post to forgive you, we must have been typing at the same time  |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 27, 2024 17:11:23 GMT 1
Its interesting to see this thread pop up... Oh boy. Good morning all.. Snipping these posts just to aid the readability of the thread. I promise I've read them both! I think the frustration is not that you choose not to criticise individual players or officials, it's that your positionality in relation to the club's owner actively prevents you from being able to do that, but allows you to do so with long-suffering fans. You're right that you'd get it from both sides if that were to happen, which is fair enough. But you have a more privileged position in the operation of the club than anyone fan has ever had and will ever have, and the way you are prevented by circumstances from recognising issues within the club is frustrating. We can see what you are and aren't able to say. I don't think anyone could accuse you of lacking passion, but you could definitely be accused of lacking a bit of tact. It was a breath of fresh air seeing your positivity, enthusiasm, and desire to listen when you started posting here. But your more recent contributions to the discourse around the club are helping to preserve the bad atmosphere that's been here for a few years. Which is a funny contradiction, because your most recent spat has revolved around you celebrating a win. Hopefully a few more wins in a less crap manner than last night and the trust will start to come back. But you've got to be more patient with the fans, we've been dragged through the mud the last few years, including by the current regime. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 27, 2024 17:11:24 GMT 1
One of the biggest problems is that (a) Dave sometimes acts like he is a representative of the club, when he isn't, and (b) fans regularly treat him like one. Therefore any controversial posts are seen as a reflection of a club communication, when they aren't. If he was simply seen as (and acted like) a fellow fan and a facilitator of communication for the chairman then things would be a lot better. Regarding the interviews that go out on Twitter, let's remember that these are NOT an official club communication and that Dave is always the interviewer and rarely offers his opinion on matters, which is a good thing. So people need to reposition how they think of him in terms of his relation with HTAFC. Do they though? He and KN clearly view things in a very similar light, and appear to take an almost identical stance on most matters regarding the club, so is it not reasonable for folk to take CD's views as being representative's of the club's? |
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Post by Sio on Nov 27, 2024 17:15:34 GMT 1
One of the biggest problems is that (a) Dave sometimes acts like he is a representative of the club, when he isn't, and (b) fans regularly treat him like one. Therefore any controversial posts are seen as a reflection of a club communication, when they aren't. If he was simply seen as (and acted like) a fellow fan and a facilitator of communication for the chairman then things would be a lot better. Regarding the interviews that go out on Twitter, let's remember that these are NOT an official club communication and that Dave is always the interviewer and rarely offers his opinion on matters, which is a good thing. So people need to reposition how they think of him in terms of his relation with HTAFC. Do they though? He and KN clearly view things in a very similar light, and appear to take an almost identical stance on most matters regarding the club, so is it not reasonable for folk to take CD's views as being representative's of the club's? Agreed. It's naive to suggest that there is much separation there. By proxy, Dave essentially does represent the club. |
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Post by detox on Nov 27, 2024 17:37:26 GMT 1
That post was clumsily insensitive. He may well be able to laugh and joke about where we are,as a newbie who hasn't done the journey we all have. It reflects a total lack of understanding because if he really knew the fans here there's no way he'd have posted that.
I suppose I'm disappointed he doesn't really get it and I guess I'm thinking KN doesn't really get it either.
Now I've gone back to thinking we're just a plaything for a bored billionaire..and all the talk about being one of us is bullshit.
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Post by Bubbles on Nov 27, 2024 17:58:12 GMT 1
What did the Americans ever do for us?
Relegation and Freddie Ladapo.
We've got a nice bar now though...
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Post by Sio on Nov 27, 2024 18:20:15 GMT 1
He didn't, but OKThe rest, I don't disagree with - as said previously, Kev has shown a lot of promising signs as an owner, he just needs to stop rising to people and trying to bait them (more CD then Kev) on social media. Do you see that from a single other professional football club other than the head case ones like Sheff Weds? No, and there's a reason for that. You honestly believe that Hoyle was about to sink the club into administration unless Kev stepped in? Any opinions on Hoyle aside, we all know that that's not something he was going to do. |
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Post by seasonticket on Nov 27, 2024 18:23:28 GMT 1
You honestly believe that Hoyle was about to sink the club into administration unless Kev stepped in? Any opinions on Hoyle aside, we all know that that's not something he was going to do. Really? |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Nov 27, 2024 18:42:16 GMT 1
One of the biggest problems is that (a) Dave sometimes acts like he is a representative of the club, when he isn't, and (b) fans regularly treat him like one. Therefore any controversial posts are seen as a reflection of a club communication, when they aren't. If he was simply seen as (and acted like) a fellow fan and a facilitator of communication for the chairman then things would be a lot better. Regarding the interviews that go out on Twitter, let's remember that these are NOT an official club communication and that Dave is always the interviewer and rarely offers his opinion on matters, which is a good thing. So people need to reposition how they think of him in terms of his relation with HTAFC. Do they though? He and KN clearly view things in a very similar light, and appear to take an almost identical stance on most matters regarding the club, so is it not reasonable for folk to take CD's views as being representative's of the club's? They're very similar individuals and clearly are in regular communication (so much so that Dave has access to KN's Twitter account) so I'm not surprised that their views are aligned. However, Dave needs to stop promoting the image that he is a club rep and distance himself from the "our/we" statements, this will help a lot. |
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