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Post by FloridaTerrier on Nov 28, 2024 5:59:35 GMT 1
What did the Americans ever do for us? Relegation and Freddie Ladapo. We've got a nice bar now though...Now Now, steady on! That is a major positive! Win or Lose on the booze. |
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Post by Justasmithers on Nov 28, 2024 6:50:43 GMT 1
This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot. I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right. What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”? “Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something. “Provoking a reaction?” Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?” If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan. My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language: Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!” Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?” Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING” I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately. And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head. And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it. As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck. And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs). And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation. So far it appears I’m guilty of: - being naive - name calling - daring to be positive after a win - being tone deaf - not reading the room - being a bully As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me. Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated. Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish). As long as we get three points. Hoping that people will and are polite to you bud. But, also hoping that folk randomly just approach you and say "Gavin Newsom is a c*nt."  😂😂 |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 28, 2024 8:23:27 GMT 1
So it's OK for KN and CD to gang up on your fellow fans, but not OK for fans to give it them back? Just try and step back and listen to yourself Chris. You're older and wiser than this nonsense Sorry Pete you're right, everyone should just shut up and be greatful for the fact that we sit 5th in League one. I'm curious Pete, where exactly would you draw the line? At what point would the failure become enough for you to warrant at least the faintest bit of criticism? |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Nov 28, 2024 8:27:30 GMT 1
I'm not on X and am glad I'm not. I have utmost resoect for you Pozza but assessing context is subjective. Why do some folk rush into seeing negativity and feel so angry about stuff on social media? I've no idea, I can only speak for myself. If you're not on X then with respect you wont understand the context so its hard for you to comment without knowing the whole background to the messages last night. I got involved in a conversation because I saw both Kev and Dave throw what were, in my opinion, abusive messages to a fan who was having a conversation with someone else, and as both are representatives of the club (officially or otherwise) I didn't like it and told them both I don't think its professional and its starting to grate on an ever growing number of people. To be fair both responded and we had a litte discussion on it. Both actually appreciated the angle I was come in from, and both said they thought the way they communicated was fine and would likely continue in the same way and if fans form an opinion then so be it. This thread is simply fans discussing their opinions on them both and their methods. Some think its absolutely fine, some dont. Nobody is right or wrong. Last night Dave posted and I and others formed a view on said posts and thats whats being discussed in this thread. FWIW, and I said exactly this to both Dave and Kev, they get shit and I absolutely believe they have a right to reply. However, IMO there is a way in which to do so. They seem to have a different idea on how to do it, which is fine, its up to them, however they have to appreciate that their method may not be universally liked and it will attract scrutiny from others. Spot on assessment. |
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Post by bullterrier on Nov 28, 2024 8:33:38 GMT 1
@justasmithers I still think you're missing something re the positivity thing. Yes, people want to celebrate wins but there is an air around the place that it's on the cusp of all falling apart again because the playing squad are performing poorly in a poor league. A lot, including myself, are seeing the games as a grind. The football on show is inflexible and severely lacks quality but we're scraping results. Considering not so long ago we were one game off the Prem and there were still a few suggesting we could be the worst ever team to be up there if we went up with that squad, I can see why some don't take to what you post. The team isn't filling people with optimism - that's the key. Not the here and now. And it's not entitlement. It's taking in to consideration the here and now, and tomorrow. They can't be separated. We don't want a sticking plaster of a season. We want quality, and a team and set of staff that we can believe in. Some elements of that are wavering. |
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Post by bullterrier on Nov 28, 2024 8:46:12 GMT 1
I can see why the owner and Dave reply to fans why were 5th in the league , winning games at home but some posters on here and on x still moan about not beating Tamworth ,are we perfect no but Micheal duff is going a great job after last season changing the mentality of the group it’s not an overnight fix. My advice to the Dave / kev is the real fans who know a little bit about football are quite happy with us at the moment , the ones that have a pop will probably calm down when they get the new edition of fifa for Xmas
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Post by dugnet on Nov 28, 2024 8:47:46 GMT 1
This is deeper than the one Tweet though, Pete. It’s about the context behind it. Dave will say different but certainly the one quoting a Town fan with the score was done to provoke and get a reaction, which it has to be fair. Not sure if you use social media but if you do you'll see lots of instances of Dave and Kev name calling fans. Is that acceptable? How would you feel if you expressed an opinion and 2 blokes started calling you names and mocking you? You mention playground bullies in your post, thats ironic given thats the way they come across sometimes. People are absolutely allowed to be positive, however in doing so they dont need to resort to cheap shots at others, especially when they are discussing perfectly legitimate concerns, concerns that are known to them by all accounts. Dave himself has said he his happy to be judged on his messages. If people form a negative opinion on them thenz by Daves own admission thats absolutely fine. This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot. I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right. What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”? “Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something. “Provoking a reaction?” Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?” If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan. My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language: Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!” Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?” Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING” I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately. And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head. And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it. As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck. And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs). And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation. So far it appears I’m guilty of: - being naive - name calling - daring to be positive after a win - being tone deaf - not reading the room - being a bully As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me. Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated. Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish). As long as we get three points. I am a great believer in standing behind what I say, I am equally capable of holding my hands up when I'm wrong (which happens frequently). Therefore if ever you want a civil and sensible debate about the naive accusation, as it was me that levelled it, I am more than prepared to explain that reasoning. I would note there are worse things to be accused of. Indeed I might also be accused of the same thing in this, and many of my other posts/opinions. I have however been following this club for 45 years. I wouldn't class myself as an expert but I think I have a reasonable view of the fanbase and how we collectively and individually react to the fortunes of the team. Social media has certainly changed that dynamic but that is true for society as a whole. I have pointed out before for all the folk who choose to argue and be unpleasant on social media there are many more who have opinions on the team/club. You perhaps need to consider things holistically rather than engage with people who are consistent in their scepticism and rhetoric. It may also be true that although the way they present their opinions maybe less than palatable there may also be a kernel of validity in their view. As fans we, obviously, all want a winning team. The mood has been dictated over a number of different factors over a number of years (well debated on here and elsewhere). I would offer it is that context that needs to be continually considered when gauging reaction. I don't see any point in reacting in kind to predictable and robust criticism. You aren't changing those views by engaging on X. Surely better to consider the culture in the round and continue to support a message that is for the many rather than the few. You and Mr Nagle are still likely to be challenged/criticised but until the majority are onside that's always likely to happen. Moreover if the majority think mistakes are being made they will comment on those. Apologies if this comes across as condescending, that isn't the intention, but this latest escalation in club v fanbase needs to either be a sensible exchange of views or stop. It is not solving anything and the truth/issues are getting lost in the ire. |
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Post by dugnet on Nov 28, 2024 9:03:23 GMT 1
Just try and step back and listen to yourself Chris. You're older and wiser than this nonsense Sorry Pete you're right, everyone should just shut up and greatful for the fact that we sit 5th in League one. I'm curious Pete, where exactly would you draw the line? At what point would the failure become enough for you to warrant at least the faintest bit of criticism? To balance things 5th in League One is probably as good as we are right now. Is that a "failure"? Well if you view it in the context of the past 6 years and the opportunity squandered I can see why that word might apply. The truth is the last 18 months has been extension of that failure. If however you draw a line at May 24 and look forward there are signs things are slowly improving. The most significant is the common sense spoken by our manager who seems to be getting a good handle on what is needed. I am sure he will be telling it like it is internally. If he is listened to, and if he isn't he won't hang around, and supported I'm more than hopeful things will steadily improve. Is everything in the garden rosey? Of course it isn't. We can all see the areas on the pitch that need improvement. We can also all see through the veneer of spin that is presented around the quality of the squad and the success of our recruitment. Those in charge can point to the positives but that doesn't cover the obvious negatives. Balanced, reasonable criticism should be welcomed by the club. We are 5th in League One. The challenge to the club is how are you going to improve on that and move towards the stated aim ie competing at the top end of the Championship. We are currently a long way from that and making that observation is entirely fair and reasonably. |
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Post by tottz on Nov 28, 2024 9:10:01 GMT 1
Hoping that people will and are polite to you bud. But, also hoping that folk randomly just approach you and say "Gavin Newsom is a c*nt." 😂😂 The only thing you're guilty of is a lack of self-awareness. You're playing an active role in all of this, you can stop it all. |
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Post by JuryDefender on Nov 28, 2024 9:14:00 GMT 1
Its interesting to see this thread pop up on here, as I was having a discussion on Twitter the other day with both Dave and Kev with regards to their social media interactions with fans as what I saw concerned me and I'm glad to see others are now starting to voice their views about it. I find it all very weird way to act. They come across at times as people who are desperate to be liked and don't seem to be able any criticism and have a weird smugness about them (Daves posts last night a perfect example) Sometimes it even comes across as bullying, both trying to humiliate fans of the club who have been around for years. If anything they should be taking on board comments made by these fans as, as pointed out by someone above, some do actually know what they are talking about. Dave tries to justify the way he acts by claiming he is a 'fan' I'm not sure that washes with me yet. He may have developed an interest since his mate has took over, but to call himself a fan equal to those of who have been around for years, which is where a lot of the ill feeling comes from. They have just walked in and think they are equal to those who have been around for years. Its also interesting how they magically appear with the smart arse comments when we win, but disappear when we lose and fire cheap shots on diaries that fans are out of order for whinging about stuff which are perfectly legitimate concerns. They need to be careful in how the continue to operate, as from what I have seen the negative feeling towards them is growing from a lot of fans and once a line is crossed for many it will never be crossed back over and the repercussions could have bigger consequences then either of them probably realise. Oh boy. Good morning all, it’s 5:09am over here and I’m sipping my coffee while reading this, and what I’m reading has woken me up more than the caffeine. One of the reasons I like this place is it allows for nuance and open conversation, whereas the 280 characters (letters, not people) are limiting. And I’m quoting Ginger Ogre simply because it covered a few things, and I also appreciate where he’s coming from. A very good place I believe. 1. “Smug/Condescending/etc”………couldn’t be further from the truth. Let’s see, I couldn’t have found Huddersfield on a map 2 years ago vs people that have had this club as a religion for generations. I think the biggest thing I take exception to is the idea that I’m aloof or unaware of this. (By the way, I won’t speak for KN here, but I can assure you there’s a 99% chance he’d mirror what I’m saying). One of the coolest things about being a part of this is the fact that the supporter base is so vast and so passionate. And I get it- I’m a born and bred Sacramento Kings fan. It’s the only top level major league sport we have here (no offense to SRFC, they’ve been trying to get there). I’d be the equivalent of what you’d call an “ultra” over here I believe. Anytime we’ve had an ownership change, ESPECIALLY if they’re not from Sacramento, there’s always a raised eyebrow and a sense of “invading the castle”. So I get that part. 2. “Humiliating fans, etc……” I think there are some that do a good job of that themselves. That being said, there seems to be this idea, and likely because it’s the norm, that there’s a code of conduct/ethics that are different for me. Granted, YES, there are certainly things I wouldn’t say or do that I might with no connection to the club. I’ve said from day one, if I’m ever guilty of anything, it’s of being unfiltered and honest. There are those that would take that as a sign of disrespect which baffles me- to me the biggest disrespect would be to give some sort of corporate speak robot response, or not at all. To me, that would be the ultimate condescension. Example: “Dave these strikers suck, Cartwright Out, wake up Nagle” (that’s 95% of the posts to me) My response: “Thanks for your passion Alistair! (I picked a British sounding name randomly). I’ll pass it along! Check out the team store for the latest deals on our winter wardrobe just in time for Christmas!!” Yuck. To me, THAT’S disrespectful. 3. “We got relegated/we looked poor in the win”……. I mean this with the most respect and honesty: YA THINK?? Of COURSE I get it. I watch every second of every match, and I’m throwing things when we miss a wide open chance or PK or whatever. I’m also going to be slightly measured with specifics because I’m not trying to openly insult the team or players, but I also know they’re frustrated as hell at it too. It’s their livelihoods. It’s not like they WANT to miss. It’s sports. But I get it, and it’s frustrating. As far as the relegation/lower level competition, again of COURSE. We may not have relegation here but surely I can imagine if my San Francisco Giants were relegated to AAA next year they’d win far more games. But can’t we have small/big picture? Yes I get that matching last year’s win total in November comes with an asterisk, of course I do. But what’s the alternative? Be pissed off until we get promoted? And then still a little annoyed until we get promoted again? Can’t I from 50,000 feet be aware of the periphery, the league/strikers/injuries/whatever and also at ground level be happy that we’re winning? Because we’re here. Only way out is to win. So that’s the immediate goal, right? To win and get out and move the goalposts and set larger goals and win some more? Honestly, is that naive of me? I just like winning in the day to day, with bigger dreams on the horizon. 4. “This or that player(s) is bad, recruitment/this or that exec is poor etc” This is the lava pit for me. You’re never going to see me openly criticize a player or executive, quite simply because it’s not my place to do so. That’s the one thing I won’t do, it does no good. And by the way if I did, you lot would kill me for it, and you’d be right. But I CAN speak in generalities. Just because it’s not acknowledged or responded to, doesn’t mean it’s not heard. And odds are already being dealt with/prepared for. But I get the frustration. Trust me, the amount of DMs on Twitter I get with roster suggestions underscores it This is all a long way of me saying this is who I am. As I told Ginger Ogre last week, it’s just a lot easier to be real. One might say “ignore the negative ones then” and it’s obviously a completely fair point. And I’d say 99% of the time, we do. I’d also say we need to spend more time on responding to all supporters, not just the ones having a go. But this club has taken over my life. I promise you it has, in all the best ways. I got back late last month just in time for my son’s 16th birthday on a Sunday, and went straight to my other job (the morning radio show) the next day. Home in Sacramento at 6p, dinner at 7, back up at 3:30a for work. I leave here in a couple weeks to come back for a few days, I’ll miss my mum’s 79th, but she knows I’ll make it up to her. And it’s 1000% worth it. I wish I could clone myself and split time between the two places. And if it wasn’t for my kids getting ready for university and my parents’ advancing age, I’d likely be there full time by now. And when I’m there, I do all I can to sneak out of the Director’s Box and sit near the CL, because those are my people. Before the match you can find me out front, at halftime you’ll find me near the concessions, and back out front post match. Because that’s where I can learn the most. That’s where I can hear/see directly what can improve and what the feedback is, and that’s where I feel I can make my best contribution to you and the club. I’m not for everyone, and that’s ok. I get that my demeanor will sometimes piss certain folks off, and I’ve come to peace with that. Just know that I love you guys, I respect you guys, I’m in love with this club, and I want nothing, nothing, and did I say NOTHING but the success you deserve both on and off the pitch. I swear on all that’s holy I do. Take care. PS: I just re-read this novel for typos and a couple things: 1. I would like someone to acknowledge I used “university” instead of “college”, and “mum” instead of “mom” without even thinking about it. You’re rubbing off on me. 2. My man GO- I did not go “looking” for posters, I assure you they were already in my inbox. And most I’ve interacted with before. Just the night prior there was a back and forth with a supporter called Josh which started out relatively nasty and ended with a very good understanding and mutual respect. Those are the interactions that mean so much to me. Also, as far as being quieter when we lose, that’s an example of learned behavior based on fanbase response. I think both he and I make it a point to post/say something fairly benign when things are going poorly, but have also learned that no one wants to hear it when we’re losing. There’s literally nothing that can be said without being accused of not “reading the room”. Which I totally get. But no one, certainly not me, is saying that because I’ve been a fan for almost two years we are “on the same level”. I’m not competing here. I get it. 3. Lastly- please do not take all this as me saying I’m infallible or don’t make mistakes. That’s not it at all. As always I’m learning, and the more I learn the more vocal I’ll be to an extent. And there will be hits and misses. And I’m not naive enough to think anything I say will be loved by all, quite the opposite. But I can promise you it will always be a real, human response. That’s the best I can do and it’s the interaction I believe you deserve out of respect. Great post. Gives me hope |
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Post by royrace on Nov 28, 2024 9:21:16 GMT 1
It is nothing to do with reality. It is the manner in which grown adults are responding to a tweet and how wound up they get about it. Is the striker situation concerning? Of course it bloody is. Doesn't take much to notice. Is our current run papering over cracks? Absolutely. Not once have I buried my head in the sand. And if you want reality, we are in a decent position, without playing well at all. We are 4 points behind Birmingham who were apparently going to storm the league. They only also have a +3 GD better than us. They spent 35m, which again some posters were moaning we should be doing the same to show 'ambition'. Can just see the meltdown now had we spent 35m and were currently sitting where we are. To be fair if we’d spent £35m and were sitting where we are, a meltdown would be reasonable. if that’s what Brum have truly spent then I’d imagine there’s a meltdown going on, as that expenditure builds a Championship play off squad, anything less than a League 1 title is shockingly poor. They'll get promoted though and then be competitive in the championship next season without needing to necessarily replace half the team. They've had the odd blip but they're still dominating teams week in week out. They'll go up, no doubt about it. We on the other hand are scraping past teams at the bottom of the league. I'm not saying we should have spent as much but I don't think they can be criticised yet unfortunately, their plan to buy the league seems on track to me. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 28, 2024 9:22:38 GMT 1
This is deeper than the one Tweet though, Pete. It’s about the context behind it. Dave will say different but certainly the one quoting a Town fan with the score was done to provoke and get a reaction, which it has to be fair. Not sure if you use social media but if you do you'll see lots of instances of Dave and Kev name calling fans. Is that acceptable? How would you feel if you expressed an opinion and 2 blokes started calling you names and mocking you? You mention playground bullies in your post, thats ironic given thats the way they come across sometimes. People are absolutely allowed to be positive, however in doing so they dont need to resort to cheap shots at others, especially when they are discussing perfectly legitimate concerns, concerns that are known to them by all accounts. Dave himself has said he his happy to be judged on his messages. If people form a negative opinion on them thenz by Daves own admission thats absolutely fine. This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot. I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right. What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”? “Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something. “Provoking a reaction?” Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?” If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan. My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language: Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!” Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?” Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING” I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately. And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head. And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it. As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck. And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs). And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation. So far it appears I’m guilty of: - being naive - name calling - daring to be positive after a win - being tone deaf - not reading the room - being a bully As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me. Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated. Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish). As long as we get three points. You and Kevin are both old and wise enough to know that whatever you tweet, in whatever circumstances, somebody on twitter will find it upsetting in some way and throw crap at you. That includes any positivity after a few wins because there'll always be more they want and you being positive just translates as youre perfectly happy with where we are to them! You need to always try and come across as unhappy...not at all satisfied...focus on the things that should be better than they are...." Yes we won 5-1 but we should have scored 9 and its scandalous we let one in "..you'll get a much more positive reaction. The whole 'Hud Town' thing though...thats got to stop now...seriously!  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 28, 2024 9:34:41 GMT 1
To be fair if we’d spent £35m and were sitting where we are, a meltdown would be reasonable. if that’s what Brum have truly spent then I’d imagine there’s a meltdown going on, as that expenditure builds a Championship play off squad, anything less than a League 1 title is shockingly poor. They'll get promoted though and then be competitive in the championship next season without needing to necessarily replace half the team. They've had the odd blip but they're still dominating teams week in week out. They'll go up, no doubt about it. We on the other hand are scraping past teams at the bottom of the league. I'm not saying we should have spent as much but I don't think they can be criticised yet unfortunately, their plan to buy the league seems on track to me. You think? Think their expectation would be that theyd be well clear at the top by now. £35m in this division 'should' ensure that. Half their 10 wins have been by a single goal...so perhaps theyre scraping past teams too? Think they will go up though as Id guess their squad strength will be a huge advantage through the winter when injuries and suspensions really hamper other sides....but theyre nowhere near as dominant as I expected them to be spending those kind of sums. After all the disappointment at the loss of Alfie May to them, are his 5 goals in 15 appearances for his £20k a week that much better than Koroma's 4 goals in 12 ? |
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Post by Bubbles on Nov 28, 2024 9:36:41 GMT 1
What did the Americans ever do for us? Relegation and Freddie Ladapo. We've got a nice bar now though...Now Now, steady on! That is a major positive! Win or Lose on the booze. Some of us were that anyway to be fair….😁🍺 |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 28, 2024 9:49:38 GMT 1
I can see why the owner and Dave reply to fans why were 5th in the league , winning games at home but some posters on here and on x still moan about not beating Tamworth ,are we perfect no but Micheal duff is going a great job after last season changing the mentality of the group it’s not an overnight fix. My advice to the Dave / kev is the real fans who know a little bit about football are quite happy with us at the moment , the ones that have a pop will probably calm down when they get the new edition of fifa for Xmas You have to laugh at posts like this, 'the one's that know a little about football are quite happy with us at the moment'. Tell me you know absolutely nothing about football without telling me you know nothing. Suppose you were happy with relegation last year too and the fact we've signed absolute rubbish under Cartwright. Honestly, its no wonder DC and KN act the way they do when we win. Some of our fans are so happy with mediocrity/rubbish even scraping past average league one fodder (a division we shouldn't even be in) seems a huge positive. |
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Post by Ladaphosen on Nov 28, 2024 9:58:18 GMT 1
KN and his mate both have main character syndrome and will absolutely never learn to keep their egos in check, they cannot help themselves. TBH I don't think I will ever warm to either of them, just not my cup of tea.
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Post by mosher on Nov 28, 2024 10:00:21 GMT 1
They'll get promoted though and then be competitive in the championship next season without needing to necessarily replace half the team. They've had the odd blip but they're still dominating teams week in week out. They'll go up, no doubt about it. We on the other hand are scraping past teams at the bottom of the league. I'm not saying we should have spent as much but I don't think they can be criticised yet unfortunately, their plan to buy the league seems on track to me. You think? Think their expectation would be that theyd be well clear at the top by now. £35m in this division 'should' ensure that. Half their 10 wins have been by a single goal...so perhaps theyre scraping past teams too? Think they will go up though as Id guess their squad strength will be a huge advantage through the winter when injuries and suspensions really hamper other sides....but theyre nowhere near as dominant as I expected them to be spending those kind of sums. After all the disappointment at the loss of Alfie May to them, are his 5 goals in 15 appearances for his £20k a week that much better than Koroma's 4 goals in 12 ? Beat me to it Slapps, after spending £35m they should be well clear already. £10m on one striker and gazumping us with silly wages for May and they've only scored 3 more goals than us - this site would have crashed and there'd be pitchforks and torches making their way through Sacramento if it was us  |
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 28, 2024 10:07:16 GMT 1
This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot. I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right. What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”? “Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something. “Provoking a reaction?” Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?” If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan. My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language: Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!” Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?” Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING” I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately. And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head. And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it. As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck. And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs). And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation. So far it appears I’m guilty of: - being naive - name calling - daring to be positive after a win - being tone deaf - not reading the room - being a bully As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me. Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated. Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish). As long as we get three points. I am a great believer in standing behind what I say, I am equally capable of holding my hands up when I'm wrong (which happens frequently). Therefore if ever you want a civil and sensible debate about the naive accusation, as it was me that levelled it, I am more than prepared to explain that reasoning. I would note there are worse things to be accused of. Indeed I might also be accused of the same thing in this, and many of my other posts/opinions. I have however been following this club for 45 years. I wouldn't class myself as an expert but I think I have a reasonable view of the fanbase and how we collectively and individually react to the fortunes of the team. Social media has certainly changed that dynamic but that is true for society as a whole. I have pointed out before for all the folk who choose to argue and be unpleasant on social media there are many more who have opinions on the team/club. You perhaps need to consider things holistically rather than engage with people who are consistent in their scepticism and rhetoric. It may also be true that although the way they present their opinions maybe less than palatable there may also be a kernel of validity in their view. As fans we, obviously, all want a winning team. The mood has been dictated over a number of different factors over a number of years (well debated on here and elsewhere). I would offer it is that context that needs to be continually considered when gauging reaction. I don't see any point in reacting in kind to predictable and robust criticism. You aren't changing those views by engaging on X. Surely better to consider the culture in the round and continue to support a message that is for the many rather than the few. You and Mr Nagle are still likely to be challenged/criticised but until the majority are onside that's always likely to happen. Moreover if the majority think mistakes are being made they will comment on those. Apologies if this comes across as condescending, that isn't the intention, but this latest escalation in club v fanbase needs to either be a sensible exchange of views or stop. It is not solving anything and the truth/issues are getting lost in the ire. Very well put. There’s also a cultural thing at play here imo, KN and Dave are optimistic positive people who want to move forward and see no point in dwelling on the past. Unfortunately the fan base of HTFC are in the main the exact opposite, we come from a fairly dark depressing part of the world and our football club is something we hold on to in the hope it brings us joy and escapism. Despite us having a pretty low bar of expectation, set over decades we are currently even by our standards in an awful period. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe over the last 5 years we have one of, if not the worst goal differences in professional football. We’ve been on a massive downward curve and despite some good results are not playing good football. There’s no comparison between winning games in league 1 and winning games in the Championship. They’re not the same thing at all. Personally I’m delighted the new owners are trying to inject some positivity into the club, but tend to agree that a flippant and jokey style of communication on the socials for a fan base that is so depressed is premature and only likely to sow division. The progress being made off the pitch is fantastic and a breath of fresh air, but I think Duff knows we’re miles off being able to shout about wins, we need to look the part on the pitch before we can have any swagger. Last thing I want is the new ownership to give up on us because they’re sick of being dragged down by negative opinions. I know from experience that the best way to prevent that is to not interact too much on social media. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 28, 2024 10:07:45 GMT 1
You think? Think their expectation would be that theyd be well clear at the top by now. £35m in this division 'should' ensure that. Half their 10 wins have been by a single goal...so perhaps theyre scraping past teams too? Think they will go up though as Id guess their squad strength will be a huge advantage through the winter when injuries and suspensions really hamper other sides....but theyre nowhere near as dominant as I expected them to be spending those kind of sums. After all the disappointment at the loss of Alfie May to them, are his 5 goals in 15 appearances for his £20k a week that much better than Koroma's 4 goals in 12 ? Beat me to it Slapps, after spending £35m they should be well clear already. £10m on one striker and gazumping us with silly wages for May and they've only scored 3 more goals than us - this site would have crashed and there'd be pitchforks and torches making their way through Sacramento if it was us Can you imagine it! " Wycombe!!! F*cking Wycombe f*cking Wanderers!!!..We've spent £35 million bastard quid and Wycombe f*cking Wanderers are 5 points above us!!!! They havent spent £35 on their team FFS!!! Even Huddersfield are only 4 points behind us, and all their signings are rubbish and they play shite every game!!!" |
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Post by drumriggend on Nov 28, 2024 10:26:06 GMT 1
Some feckin drama on ere..
Poor owld Smithers..
Don’t let the bastads grind ya down pal..
Utft..
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Nov 28, 2024 10:35:01 GMT 1
They've had ample opportunity and warning from fans now.
It's quite simple. They don't, and will never, get it.
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Post by incognito on Nov 28, 2024 10:59:44 GMT 1
They've had ample opportunity and warning from fans now. It's quite simple. They don't, and will never, get it. Agreed - I'm struggling to get my head around the pearl-clutching myself. The most constructive takeaway for all parties is surely just to spend less time on Twitter - it's not real life. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 28, 2024 11:12:08 GMT 1
They've had ample opportunity and warning from fans now. It's quite simple. They don't, and will never, get it. Just mute their tweets. I did it 12 months ago and only ever see them when the particularly stupid ones are highlighted on here. |
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Post by irverino on Nov 28, 2024 11:24:42 GMT 1
Happy Thanksgiving Dave & Kev. Maybe we will find a prolific goal scorer in one of the Black Friday deals......Or cyber Monday?
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Post by ram on Nov 28, 2024 12:21:29 GMT 1
I base all my criticism on the recruitment. I have been in crowds of over 50K and as low as it has ever been in Div4. I have seen better players in that division playing for peanuts, {compared to some of our current squad not fit to lace their boots} smack in over 100 goals one season.In the current squad i can only see a handful of players that will cut it in the Championship,if we ever get back there. I walked with pride to the Macalpine when it opened ,only to see a loss in the 1st match,and am pleased that the new owner has taken it to a new level.We now need the calibre of players to match it.I will reserve further judgememt till January 31st .If I make it through the winter!
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Post by detox on Nov 28, 2024 12:33:23 GMT 1
This is deeper than the one Tweet though, Pete. It’s about the context behind it. Dave will say different but certainly the one quoting a Town fan with the score was done to provoke and get a reaction, which it has to be fair. Not sure if you use social media but if you do you'll see lots of instances of Dave and Kev name calling fans. Is that acceptable? How would you feel if you expressed an opinion and 2 blokes started calling you names and mocking you? You mention playground bullies in your post, thats ironic given thats the way they come across sometimes. People are absolutely allowed to be positive, however in doing so they dont need to resort to cheap shots at others, especially when they are discussing perfectly legitimate concerns, concerns that are known to them by all accounts. Dave himself has said he his happy to be judged on his messages. If people form a negative opinion on them thenz by Daves own admission thats absolutely fine. This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot. I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right. What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”? “Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something. “Provoking a reaction?” Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?” If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan. My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language: Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!” Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?” Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING” I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately. And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head. And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it. As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck. And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs). And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation. So far it appears I’m guilty of: - being naive - name calling - daring to be positive after a win - being tone deaf - not reading the room - being a bully As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me. Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated. Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish). As long as we get three points. I'm going to respond because i've posted critical comments about it..which I'm not inclined to apologies for by the way. I do get the 'hey we've won let's be happy' but the 'mood in the camp' was far from celebratory after yet another lop sided performance. Yes thank God we got over the line and got the 3 points against 10 men and a club heading to league 2 but the lasting legacy from the game was the same as many previous games. The fans are not so easily pleased I'm afraid...we're still VERY annoyed we've splashed cash/signed a bunch of strikers that, to be polite, are lacking in ability. We still look nervous, lacking in energy and commitment..riddled with errors, so the win does not mask all that. I expect you'll agree with that, you're no fool..you see what we see I think.
You'll know the context, we heard the Orient fans singing it ' Premier League and you f*cked it up'..and the match commentator..'2 relegations in 6 seasons...Hogg the only player left from the PL days'...and then everything that followed before you and KN arrived on the scene. A New dawn we thought after Warnock achieved the great escape..but no..DM...AB....relegation..and now playing like a league one/two side. Forget the league table, we look pretty awful almost every game. The fans are downhearted, disheartened and demoralised (some of us)..we're in no mood for glib 'hey let's smile folks'...sorry.  is there to smile about...where is this new dawn, promotion in 3 years that we were told..unless promotion back to where we started, ? Have a good day. |
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Post by TTCMatt on Nov 28, 2024 12:50:40 GMT 1
I feel for Dave. He makes a positive tweet and the precious ones are out in force condemning him and judging his motives and pedigree. I know just how that feels. Look at people's hearts and motivations instead of being playground bullies ganging up on a poster. It feels like folk aren't allowed to be positive on here because some would rather wallow in doom and gloom. How shameful that he felt he had to put a lot of time and effort into explaining his motives This is deeper than the one Tweet though, Pete. Its about the context behind it. Dave will say different but certainly the one quoting a Town fan with the score was done to provoke and get a reaction, which it has to be fair. Not sure if you use social media but if you do you'll see lots of instances of Dave and Kev name calling fans. Is that acceptable? How would you feel if you expressed an opinion and 2 blokes started calling you names and mocking you? You mention playground bullies in your post, thats ironic given thats the way they come across sometimes. People are absolutely allowed to be positive, however in doing so they dont need to resort to cheap shots at others, especially when they are discussing perfectly legitimate concerns, concerns that are known to them by all accounts. Dave himself has said he his happy to be judged on his messages. If people form a negative opinion on them thenz by Daves own admission thats absolutely fine.  ![]() |
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 28, 2024 12:53:10 GMT 1
To be fair if we’d spent £35m and were sitting where we are, a meltdown would be reasonable. if that’s what Brum have truly spent then I’d imagine there’s a meltdown going on, as that expenditure builds a Championship play off squad, anything less than a League 1 title is shockingly poor. They'll get promoted though and then be competitive in the championship next season without needing to necessarily replace half the team. They've had the odd blip but they're still dominating teams week in week out. They'll go up, no doubt about it. We on the other hand are scraping past teams at the bottom of the league. I'm not saying we should have spent as much but I don't think they can be criticised yet unfortunately, their plan to buy the league seems on track to me. I don't think there's any inevitability about it at all - although their games in hand possibly makes it seem more like that than the reality. They're losing ground on Wycombe, and Stockport and Town have gained on them over the last 6. Despite being unbeaten at home they've bagged fewer points than we have, they're not scoring a ton of goals home and away (just three more than our incompetent front line, whilst conceding the same amount). The run of 6 or 7 games through December is probably going to make things clear - they'll likely either be in that top 2 and things will finally start to stretch out a bit through the chasing pack...OR...they'll be in a position of being in a chasing pack, which is going to make the natives restless and the pressure they've created by their spend is going to mount...if they're 5th/6th going into January, things could get very interesting. |
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Post by waggers on Nov 28, 2024 13:01:01 GMT 1
To be fair if we’d spent £35m and were sitting where we are, a meltdown would be reasonable. if that’s what Brum have truly spent then I’d imagine there’s a meltdown going on, as that expenditure builds a Championship play off squad, anything less than a League 1 title is shockingly poor. They'll get promoted though and then be competitive in the championship next season without needing to necessarily replace half the team. They've had the odd blip but they're still dominating teams week in week out. They'll go up, no doubt about it. We on the other hand are scraping past teams at the bottom of the league. I'm not saying we should have spent as much but I don't think they can be criticised yet unfortunately, their plan to buy the league seems on track to me. Birmingham will go up, seems like Wrexham are set up very well too. I doubt Birmingham have spent the amount that's being banded around and I believe they've invested in a squad for the next 3 years. Our squad (at the moment) is play offs, best case scenario. I doubt we'll bring in any players that will bump us into the top two this January. League 1 has been underestimated by the leadership. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Nov 28, 2024 13:14:54 GMT 1
This is deeper than the one Tweet though, Pete. It’s about the context behind it. Dave will say different but certainly the one quoting a Town fan with the score was done to provoke and get a reaction, which it has to be fair. Not sure if you use social media but if you do you'll see lots of instances of Dave and Kev name calling fans. Is that acceptable? How would you feel if you expressed an opinion and 2 blokes started calling you names and mocking you? You mention playground bullies in your post, thats ironic given thats the way they come across sometimes. People are absolutely allowed to be positive, however in doing so they dont need to resort to cheap shots at others, especially when they are discussing perfectly legitimate concerns, concerns that are known to them by all accounts. Dave himself has said he his happy to be judged on his messages. If people form a negative opinion on them thenz by Daves own admission thats absolutely fine. This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot. I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right. What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”? “Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something. “Provoking a reaction?” Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?” If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan. My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language: Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!” Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?” Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING” I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately. And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head. And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it. As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck. And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs). And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation. So far it appears I’m guilty of: - being naive - name calling - daring to be positive after a win - being tone deaf - not reading the room - being a bully As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me. Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated. Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish). As long as we get three points. As my old mam would say, 'rise above it'. Just ignore them. Except this bit in bold. Sometimes you just have to listen to the fans |
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is there to smile about...where is this new dawn, promotion in 3 years that we were told..unless promotion back to where we started, ? Have a good day.
