Carmichael Dave

[Ginger Ogre]

Nov 28, 2024 2:56:36 GMT 1 Justasmithers said:

Nov 27, 2024 21:35:32 GMT 1 Ginger Ogre said:

This is deeper than the one Tweet though, Pete. It’s about the context behind it. Dave will say different but certainly the one quoting a Town fan with the score was done to provoke and get a reaction, which it has to be fair.

Not sure if you use social media but if you do you'll see lots of instances of Dave and Kev name calling fans. Is that acceptable? How would you feel if you expressed an opinion and 2 blokes started calling you names and mocking you? You mention playground bullies in your post, thats ironic given thats the way they come across sometimes.

People are absolutely allowed to be positive, however in doing so they dont need to resort to cheap shots at others, especially when they are discussing perfectly legitimate concerns, concerns that are known to them by all accounts.

Dave himself has said he his happy to be judged on his messages. If people form a negative opinion on them thenz by Daves own admission thats absolutely fine.

This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot.

I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right.

What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”?

“Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something.

“Provoking a reaction?”

Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?”

If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan.

My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language:

Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!”

Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?”


Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING”


I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately.

And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head.

And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it.

As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck.

And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs).

And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation.

So far it appears I’m guilty of:

- being naive

- name calling

- daring to be positive after a win

- being tone deaf

- not reading the room

- being a bully

As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me.

Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated.

Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish).

As long as we get three points.

The 'playground bully' quote I'm referring is indeed that conversation with Matthew Neary on X. Matthew was just replying to a comment by another fan back from October asking another fan if they thought 'these 3 (referencing Healey, Bojan and Balker) can still be good signings?' You and Kev were tagged in the initial conversation back in October but Matthew was clearly just replying to another Town fan.

Kev then jumped in with 'Matthew Neary is simply a negative negative whiner. I have NEVER seen him write anything POSITIVE. Prove me wrong if you are a true Town fan. Anything???

You then piped up (literally 2 mins later) with 'This dude would whine about taxes if he won the lottery What's the point in even watching

That's what I saw, what annoyed me, and that's why I replied saying I thought it was great that you and Kev used X to interact with fans, however I thought the above was 'point scoring' by having shots at fans while trying to mock them. From a chairman and someone else who works very close to him its not a great look for Huddersfield Town, or yourselves. Would Kev allow any other members of staff he employs at the club to speak to fans in this way. If DTS, Mark Cartwright, or anyone else in a high up position was out on Social Media speaking to fans in that way would he be happy with it?

I mentioned you being 'on the prowl' simply because I see lots in interactions between Kev, yourself and fans on a regular basis and the majority of what I see are only to 'negative' messages. They are, and have been in the past, usually dismissive of anything said. The post with the score on was another example, and, as I said which you have somewhat acknowledged was to provoke a reaction, to suggest a 'be quiet fan, we've won despite the concern you are showing so stop showing the concern' You've both had a history of acting this way. The diary being another example where you called myself (and others) out in a similar way. I know you said that instance was in jest (and we have spoken about that before) but its an example of something that didn't need to be done.

You explained to me on X that 'it is what it is' and 'you are what you are' I explained that was fine and fans will form their own opinion on the interactions and that's what this thread is, fans posting opinions on you and how you interact with fans on Social Media. You state again in the quoted post that you are fine with it, and that you acknowledge its 'part of the job' You can roll your eyes at my opinion, that's fine with me. Just leave it at the eye roll though, don't come on here trying to justify it.

My advice was to indeed ignore things, you've no reason to listen to me at all, but was just my take on the situation and, as you (and Kev) rightly commented it came from a place of concern. I want everyone involved with Huddersfield Town to be on the same page, all to be pulling together and I felt, and know from conversations with lots of other fans, these interactions were causing more harm than good. In regards to the right of reply, if you don't want to ignore it then again I will re-iterate I have no problem with you replying, just do it in a more professional way for a man in your position. Again, just advice from a fan to try and encourage a more harmonious atmosphere between fans and owner.

I think you are right in that there is no win, we will just go round in circles so will leave it alone after this post as we clearly see things differently . You have your way and you are entitled to stick with it. It seems it doesn't really matter what I, or anyone thinks of the approach as seem happy with it which is fine, however the actions of people judging you may be influenced by it, just bear that in mind.

[htafcokay]

Nov 28, 2024 13:24:17 GMT 1 Ginger Ogre said:

Nov 28, 2024 2:56:36 GMT 1 Justasmithers said:

This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot.

I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right.

What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”?

“Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something.

“Provoking a reaction?”

Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?”

If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan.

My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language:

Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!”

Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?”


Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING”


I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately.

And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head.

And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it.

As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck.

And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs).

And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation.

So far it appears I’m guilty of:

- being naive

- name calling

- daring to be positive after a win

- being tone deaf

- not reading the room

- being a bully

As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me.

Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated.

Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish).

As long as we get three points.

The 'playground bully' quote I'm referring is indeed that conversation with Matthew Neary on X. Matthew was just replying to a comment by another fan back from October asking another fan if they thought 'these 3 (referencing Healey, Bojan and Balker) can still be good signings?' You and Kev were tagged in the initial conversation back in October but Matthew was clearly just replying to another Town fan.

Kev then jumped in with 'Matthew Neary is simply a negative negative whiner. I have NEVER seen him write anything POSITIVE. Prove me wrong if you are a true Town fan. Anything???

You then piped up (literally 2 mins later) with 'This dude would whine about taxes if he won the lottery What's the point in even watching

That's what I saw, what annoyed me, and that's why I replied saying I thought it was great that you and Kev used X to interact with fans, however I thought the above was 'point scoring' by having shots at fans while trying to mock them. From a chairman and someone else who works very close to him its not a great look for Huddersfield Town, or yourselves. Would Kev allow any other members of staff he employs at the club to speak to fans in this way. If DTS, Mark Cartwright, or anyone else in a high up position was out on Social Media speaking to fans in that way would he be happy with it?

I mentioned you being 'on the prowl' simply because I see lots in interactions between Kev, yourself and fans on a regular basis and the majority of what I see are only to 'negative' messages. They are, and have been in the past, usually dismissive of anything said. The post with the score on was another example, and, as I said which you have somewhat acknowledged was to provoke a reaction, to suggest a 'be quite fan, we've won despite the concern you are showing so stop showing the concern' You've both had a history of acting this way. The diary being another example where you called myself (and others) out in a similar way. I know you said that instance was in jest (and we have spoken about that before) but its an example of something that didn't need to be done.

You explained to me on X that 'it is what it is' and 'you are what you are' I explained that was fine and fans will form their own opinion on the interactions and that's what this thread is, fans posting opinions on you and how you interact with fans on Social Media. You state again in the quoted post that you are fine with it, and that you acknowledge its 'part of the job' You can roll your eyes at my opinion, that's fine with me. Just leave it at the eye roll though, don't come on here trying to justify it.

My advice was to indeed ignore things, you've no reason to listen to me at all, but was just my take on the situation and, as you (and Kev) rightly commented it came from a place of concern. I want everyone involved with Huddersfield Town to be on the same page, all to be pulling together and I felt, and know from conversations with lots of other fans, these interactions were causing more harm than good. In regards to the right of reply, if you don't want to ignore it then again I will re-iterate I have no problem with you replying, just do it in a more professional way for a man in your position. Again, just advice from a fan to try and encourage a more harmonious atmosphere between fans and owner.

I think you are right in that there is no win, we will just go round in circles so will leave it alone after this post as we clearly see things differently . You have your way and you are entitled to stick with it. It seems it doesn't really matter what I, or anyone thinks of the approach as seem happy with it which is fine, however the actions of people judging you may be influenced by it, just bear that in mind.

[Up the Duff.]

Nov 28, 2024 8:47:46 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Nov 28, 2024 2:56:36 GMT 1 Justasmithers said:

This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot.

I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right.

What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”?

“Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something.

“Provoking a reaction?”

Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?”

If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan.

My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language:

Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!”

Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?”


Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING”


I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately.

And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head.

And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it.

As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck.

And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs).

And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation.

So far it appears I’m guilty of:

- being naive

- name calling

- daring to be positive after a win

- being tone deaf

- not reading the room

- being a bully

As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me.

Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated.

Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish).

As long as we get three points.

I am a great believer in standing behind what I say, I am equally capable of holding my hands up when I'm wrong (which happens frequently). Therefore if ever you want a civil and sensible debate about the naive accusation, as it was me that levelled it, I am more than prepared to explain that reasoning.

I would note there are worse things to be accused of. Indeed I might also be accused of the same thing in this, and many of my other posts/opinions. I have however been following this club for 45 years. I wouldn't class myself as an expert but I think I have a reasonable view of the fanbase and how we collectively and individually react to the fortunes of the team. Social media has certainly changed that dynamic but that is true for society as a whole.

I have pointed out before for all the folk who choose to argue and be unpleasant on social media there are many more who have opinions on the team/club. You perhaps need to consider things holistically rather than engage with people who are consistent in their scepticism and rhetoric. It may also be true that although the way they present their opinions maybe less than palatable there may also be a kernel of validity in their view.

As fans we, obviously, all want a winning team. The mood has been dictated over a number of different factors over a number of years (well debated on here and elsewhere). I would offer it is that context that needs to be continually considered when gauging reaction.

I don't see any point in reacting in kind to predictable and robust criticism. You aren't changing those views by engaging on X. Surely better to consider the culture in the round and continue to support a message that is for the many rather than the few. You and Mr Nagle are still likely to be challenged/criticised but until the majority are onside that's always likely to happen. Moreover if the majority think mistakes are being made they will comment on those.

Apologies if this comes across as condescending, that isn't the intention, but this latest escalation in club v fanbase needs to either be a sensible exchange of views or stop. It is not solving anything and the truth/issues are getting lost in the ire.

Great post 

[dugnet]

Nov 28, 2024 12:33:23 GMT 1 detox said:

Nov 28, 2024 2:56:36 GMT 1 Justasmithers said:

I'm going to respond because i've posted critical comments about it..which I'm not inclined to apologies for by the way. I do get the 'hey we've won let's be happy' but the 'mood in the camp' was far from celebratory after yet another lop sided performance. Yes thank God we got over the line and got the 3 points against 10 men and a club heading to league 2 but the lasting legacy from the game was the same as many previous games. The fans are not so easily pleased I'm afraid...we're still VERY annoyed we've splashed cash/signed a bunch of strikers that, to be polite, are lacking in ability. We still look nervous, lacking in energy and commitment..riddled with errors, so the win does not mask all that. I expect you'll agree with that, you're no fool..you see what we see I think.

You'll know the context, we heard the Orient fans singing it ' Premier League and you f*cked it up'..and the match commentator..'2 relegations in 6 seasons...Hogg the only player left from the PL days'...and then everything that followed before you and KN arrived on the scene. A New dawn we thought after Warnock achieved the great escape..but no..DM...AB....relegation..and now playing like a league one/two side. Forget the league table, we look pretty awful almost every game.  The fans are downhearted, disheartened and demoralised (some of us)..we're in no mood for glib 'hey let's smile folks'...sorry. is there to smile about...where is this new dawn, promotion in 3 years that we were told..unless promotion back to where we started, ?  Have a good day.

Although I don't think everything is "doom and gloom" and that there are signs of progress under Mr Nagle (primarily off the pitch - which in the long term could be beneficial, if managed well) this message does sum up the context why people aren't happy. Moreover it explains why they are less inclined to get excited by a, deserved, but workmanlike victory on Tuesday.

I suppose the truth is addressing the failings in the squad really is going to take longer than we all want. I also wouldn't argue with anyone who presented an argument that some of the recruitment decisions have added to our issues rather than solved them.

I get why Mr Nagle and Dave want to be positive, but as you say there is a big context here they are ignoring. Additionally as you also say we do know what we are watching. I think if there is a real positive here it is that Michael Duff also knows what he is watching too and I am sure will be frank in his assessment.

I appreciate that Mr Nagle and Dave can't necessarily agree with the fans assessment of the team but rather than trying to argue black is white or polish the turd they would be better off saying nothing other than perhaps a simple "well done on the victory" message.

All that is currently being achieved is more division and rancour. Better work with MD to see what can be done to support him in January and see if he can really improve the team. NB: I believe that will happen.

There are a group of fans who are not convinced by Mr Nagle, never have been and maybe never will. I don't see why continually jousting on social media helps anything. It would be a far better policy to consider reasoned criticism as you have expressed here and take it on board.

[Sio]

Nov 28, 2024 13:24:17 GMT 1 Ginger Ogre said:

Nov 28, 2024 2:56:36 GMT 1 Justasmithers said:

This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot.

I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right.

What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”?

“Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something.

“Provoking a reaction?”

Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?”

If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan.

My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language:

Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!”

Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?”


Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING”


I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately.

And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head.

And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it.

As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck.

And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs).

And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation.

So far it appears I’m guilty of:

- being naive

- name calling

- daring to be positive after a win

- being tone deaf

- not reading the room

- being a bully

As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me.

Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated.

Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish).

As long as we get three points.

The 'playground bully' quote I'm referring is indeed that conversation with Matthew Neary on X. Matthew was just replying to a comment by another fan back from October asking another fan if they thought 'these 3 (referencing Healey, Bojan and Balker) can still be good signings?' You and Kev were tagged in the initial conversation back in October but Matthew was clearly just replying to another Town fan.

Kev then jumped in with 'Matthew Neary is simply a negative negative whiner. I have NEVER seen him write anything POSITIVE. Prove me wrong if you are a true Town fan. Anything???

You then piped up (literally 2 mins later) with 'This dude would whine about taxes if he won the lottery What's the point in even watching

That's what I saw, what annoyed me, and that's why I replied saying I thought it was great that you and Kev used X to interact with fans, however I thought the above was 'point scoring' by having shots at fans while trying to mock them. From a chairman and someone else who works very close to him its not a great look for Huddersfield Town, or yourselves. Would Kev allow any other members of staff he employs at the club to speak to fans in this way. If DTS, Mark Cartwright, or anyone else in a high up position was out on Social Media speaking to fans in that way would he be happy with it?

I mentioned you being 'on the prowl' simply because I see lots in interactions between Kev, yourself and fans on a regular basis and the majority of what I see are only to 'negative' messages. They are, and have been in the past, usually dismissive of anything said. The post with the score on was another example, and, as I said which you have somewhat acknowledged was to provoke a reaction, to suggest a 'be quiet fan, we've won despite the concern you are showing so stop showing the concern' You've both had a history of acting this way. The diary being another example where you called myself (and others) out in a similar way. I know you said that instance was in jest (and we have spoken about that before) but its an example of something that didn't need to be done.

You explained to me on X that 'it is what it is' and 'you are what you are' I explained that was fine and fans will form their own opinion on the interactions and that's what this thread is, fans posting opinions on you and how you interact with fans on Social Media. You state again in the quoted post that you are fine with it, and that you acknowledge its 'part of the job' You can roll your eyes at my opinion, that's fine with me. Just leave it at the eye roll though, don't come on here trying to justify it.

My advice was to indeed ignore things, you've no reason to listen to me at all, but was just my take on the situation and, as you (and Kev) rightly commented it came from a place of concern. I want everyone involved with Huddersfield Town to be on the same page, all to be pulling together and I felt, and know from conversations with lots of other fans, these interactions were causing more harm than good. In regards to the right of reply, if you don't want to ignore it then again I will re-iterate I have no problem with you replying, just do it in a more professional way for a man in your position. Again, just advice from a fan to try and encourage a more harmonious atmosphere between fans and owner.

I think you are right in that there is no win, we will just go round in circles so will leave it alone after this post as we clearly see things differently . You have your way and you are entitled to stick with it. It seems it doesn't really matter what I, or anyone thinks of the approach as seem happy with it which is fine, however the actions of people judging you may be influenced by it, just bear that in mind.

Great post, Poz. 

[dugnet]

Nov 28, 2024 13:24:17 GMT 1 Ginger Ogre said:

Nov 28, 2024 2:56:36 GMT 1 Justasmithers said:

This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot.

I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right.

What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”?

“Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something.

“Provoking a reaction?”

Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?”

If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan.

My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language:

Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!”

Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?”


Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING”


I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately.

And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head.

And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it.

As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck.

And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs).

And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation.

So far it appears I’m guilty of:

- being naive

- name calling

- daring to be positive after a win

- being tone deaf

- not reading the room

- being a bully

As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me.

Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated.

Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish).

As long as we get three points.

The 'playground bully' quote I'm referring is indeed that conversation with Matthew Neary on X. Matthew was just replying to a comment by another fan back from October asking another fan if they thought 'these 3 (referencing Healey, Bojan and Balker) can still be good signings?' You and Kev were tagged in the initial conversation back in October but Matthew was clearly just replying to another Town fan.

Kev then jumped in with 'Matthew Neary is simply a negative negative whiner. I have NEVER seen him write anything POSITIVE. Prove me wrong if you are a true Town fan. Anything???

You then piped up (literally 2 mins later) with 'This dude would whine about taxes if he won the lottery What's the point in even watching

That's what I saw, what annoyed me, and that's why I replied saying I thought it was great that you and Kev used X to interact with fans, however I thought the above was 'point scoring' by having shots at fans while trying to mock them. From a chairman and someone else who works very close to him its not a great look for Huddersfield Town, or yourselves. Would Kev allow any other members of staff he employs at the club to speak to fans in this way. If DTS, Mark Cartwright, or anyone else in a high up position was out on Social Media speaking to fans in that way would he be happy with it?

I mentioned you being 'on the prowl' simply because I see lots in interactions between Kev, yourself and fans on a regular basis and the majority of what I see are only to 'negative' messages. They are, and have been in the past, usually dismissive of anything said. The post with the score on was another example, and, as I said which you have somewhat acknowledged was to provoke a reaction, to suggest a 'be quiet fan, we've won despite the concern you are showing so stop showing the concern' You've both had a history of acting this way. The diary being another example where you called myself (and others) out in a similar way. I know you said that instance was in jest (and we have spoken about that before) but its an example of something that didn't need to be done.

You explained to me on X that 'it is what it is' and 'you are what you are' I explained that was fine and fans will form their own opinion on the interactions and that's what this thread is, fans posting opinions on you and how you interact with fans on Social Media. You state again in the quoted post that you are fine with it, and that you acknowledge its 'part of the job' You can roll your eyes at my opinion, that's fine with me. Just leave it at the eye roll though, don't come on here trying to justify it.

My advice was to indeed ignore things, you've no reason to listen to me at all, but was just my take on the situation and, as you (and Kev) rightly commented it came from a place of concern. I want everyone involved with Huddersfield Town to be on the same page, all to be pulling together and I felt, and know from conversations with lots of other fans, these interactions were causing more harm than good. In regards to the right of reply, if you don't want to ignore it then again I will re-iterate I have no problem with you replying, just do it in a more professional way for a man in your position. Again, just advice from a fan to try and encourage a more harmonious atmosphere between fans and owner.

I think you are right in that there is no win, we will just go round in circles so will leave it alone after this post as we clearly see things differently . You have your way and you are entitled to stick with it. It seems it doesn't really matter what I, or anyone thinks of the approach as seem happy with it which is fine, however the actions of people judging you may be influenced by it, just bear that in mind.

At what point is a line actually going to be drawn on this? The truth is both sides to this, tiresome, exchange have points that can be substantiated but in reality they are getting lost in what is essentially a pissing competition about who is more right.

There is a simple equation here - The stated aim was to get the club promoted back to the Championship this season. So far that doesn't look impossible but by the same token it is hardly a convincing case that it will be achieved. The best thing? I think we have a realistic manager who knows that too. The club need to listen and trust the man in charge and the fans need to give the club the space to do that and support him when they can i.e. January.

The rest is simply pointless noise.

If the club don't support the manager in January, noting that I think they will, then that is a different debate entirely, but lets see what actually happens not criticise what might (not).

As for those in charge, get you heads down and focus on the success of the team and not waste energy on squabbling over who said what to who on social media.

[htafcokay]

Nov 28, 2024 13:45:02 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Nov 28, 2024 13:24:17 GMT 1 Ginger Ogre said:

The 'playground bully' quote I'm referring is indeed that conversation with Matthew Neary on X. Matthew was just replying to a comment by another fan back from October asking another fan if they thought 'these 3 (referencing Healey, Bojan and Balker) can still be good signings?' You and Kev were tagged in the initial conversation back in October but Matthew was clearly just replying to another Town fan.

Kev then jumped in with 'Matthew Neary is simply a negative negative whiner. I have NEVER seen him write anything POSITIVE. Prove me wrong if you are a true Town fan. Anything???

You then piped up (literally 2 mins later) with 'This dude would whine about taxes if he won the lottery What's the point in even watching

That's what I saw, what annoyed me, and that's why I replied saying I thought it was great that you and Kev used X to interact with fans, however I thought the above was 'point scoring' by having shots at fans while trying to mock them. From a chairman and someone else who works very close to him its not a great look for Huddersfield Town, or yourselves. Would Kev allow any other members of staff he employs at the club to speak to fans in this way. If DTS, Mark Cartwright, or anyone else in a high up position was out on Social Media speaking to fans in that way would he be happy with it?

I mentioned you being 'on the prowl' simply because I see lots in interactions between Kev, yourself and fans on a regular basis and the majority of what I see are only to 'negative' messages. They are, and have been in the past, usually dismissive of anything said. The post with the score on was another example, and, as I said which you have somewhat acknowledged was to provoke a reaction, to suggest a 'be quiet fan, we've won despite the concern you are showing so stop showing the concern' You've both had a history of acting this way. The diary being another example where you called myself (and others) out in a similar way. I know you said that instance was in jest (and we have spoken about that before) but its an example of something that didn't need to be done.

You explained to me on X that 'it is what it is' and 'you are what you are' I explained that was fine and fans will form their own opinion on the interactions and that's what this thread is, fans posting opinions on you and how you interact with fans on Social Media. You state again in the quoted post that you are fine with it, and that you acknowledge its 'part of the job' You can roll your eyes at my opinion, that's fine with me. Just leave it at the eye roll though, don't come on here trying to justify it.

My advice was to indeed ignore things, you've no reason to listen to me at all, but was just my take on the situation and, as you (and Kev) rightly commented it came from a place of concern. I want everyone involved with Huddersfield Town to be on the same page, all to be pulling together and I felt, and know from conversations with lots of other fans, these interactions were causing more harm than good. In regards to the right of reply, if you don't want to ignore it then again I will re-iterate I have no problem with you replying, just do it in a more professional way for a man in your position. Again, just advice from a fan to try and encourage a more harmonious atmosphere between fans and owner.

I think you are right in that there is no win, we will just go round in circles so will leave it alone after this post as we clearly see things differently . You have your way and you are entitled to stick with it. It seems it doesn't really matter what I, or anyone thinks of the approach as seem happy with it which is fine, however the actions of people judging you may be influenced by it, just bear that in mind.

At what point is a line actually going to be drawn on this? The truth is both sides to this, tiresome, exchange have points that can be substantiated but in reality they are getting lost in what is essentially a pissing competition about who is more right.

There is a simple equation here - The stated aim was to get the club promoted back to the Championship this season. So far that doesn't look impossible but by the same token it is hardly a convincing case that it will be achieved. The best thing? I think we have a realistic manager who knows that too. The club need to listen and trust the man in charge and the fans need to give the club the space to do that and support him when they can i.e. January.

The rest is simply pointless noise.

If the club don't support the manager in January, noting that I think they will, then that is a different debate entirely, but lets see what actually happens not criticise what might (not).

As for those in charge, get you heads down and focus on the success of the team and not waste energy on squabbling over who said what to who on social media.

I think a lot of fans (myself included) will be satisfied when the current ownership return the club back to where they found it (the Championship). I wouldn't say that's unreasonable. 

Many of us have seen and experienced the good work off the pitch, which no-one can argue has improved under the current ownership. However, it seems to me like the little green thing in the middle (the pitch) is often neglected and forgotten about amongst all the noise. The talk of hotels, cinemas, bars, housing even, on the site of the stadium is all very admirable, but to some of the fans, the only thing they're really bothered about is what happens on that pitch. At the moment, we're a division lower than where we were when the ownership took over. This is just a fact. 

If we get promoted this season, then the disaster of last season gets quickly forgotten and will no longer be used as a stick to beat the ownership with. However, at the moment, we haven't yet got promoted and some fans are aggrieved that we find ourselves in League One, putting in dull performances and losing to the likes of Tamworth and so on. If we go up this year, then we'll all be talking about how brilliant the season was and how good we were, that's how fickle we are as football supporters. 

However, unless we are running away with the league, then some of the fans are always going to have a pop at the ownership. The majority of owners have had worse than what Nagle has received on Twitter over the years, and while it's not pleasant, it's part and parcel of football. The only difference is that those owners weren't on social media, or social media didn't even exist.

[Ginger Ogre]

Nov 28, 2024 13:45:02 GMT 1 dugnet said:

[At what point is a line actually going to be drawn on this? The truth is both sides to this, tiresome, exchange have points that can be substantiated but in reality they are getting lost in what is essentially a pissing competition about who is more right.

I should point out that my involvement in all this came about due to the nature of the interaction, not what was being discussed. Thats a footballing matter and not really part of this discussion. I obviously have my views on them but this wasn't the discussion to start airing them for me.

As I said above, personally any conversation about the subject of how Dave (and Kev) uses his (their) social media has a line drawn under it from my end.

None of us are going to convince the other they are right so not point discussing it any more. What will be will be and things will play out accordingly and quite honestly I'd rather Kev use his 'Huddersfield Town time' more wisely than arguing with a fella from Cleckheaton about what he posts online

[shawsie]

Nov 27, 2024 23:36:31 GMT 1 Bubbles said:

Nov 27, 2024 21:10:14 GMT 1 ShortbreadPete said:

I feel for Dave. He makes a positive tweet and the precious ones are out in force condemning him and judging his motives and pedigree.

I know just how that feels.

Look at people's hearts and motivations instead of being playground bullies ganging up on a poster.

It feels like folk aren't allowed to be positive on here because some would rather wallow in doom and gloom.

How shameful that he felt he had to put a lot of time and effort into explaining his motives

I’m all for positivity but that tweet just shows how clueless they really are.

He honestly thought things are good now when he posted that “look,we’ve won as many games as last season already…go HUD Town.”

We shouldn’t even be in this division!

As if having a prize giveaway on the day we got relegated wasn’t out of touch enough….

With respect thats such an entitled statement - "we shouldnt be in this division"!!!
When we were in the prem did you think similarly given we've had 2 years in the top flight since 1971 I think ?
We are where we deserve to be on results - end of.
By all means criticise - its been a crap watch now for several years if we are honest and we've all vented our spleen at it on matchday and on here and rightly so.................the new owner / mouthpiece at times might be a tad out of touch - its perhaps unsurprising given their lack of knowledge of english football in general but they are having to learn on the job so to speak and lets be fair - they werent left a rosy picture were they?

[willo]

Nov 28, 2024 14:24:30 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Nov 27, 2024 23:36:31 GMT 1 Bubbles said:

I’m all for positivity but that tweet just shows how clueless they really are.

He honestly thought things are good now when he posted that “look,we’ve won as many games as last season already…go HUD Town.”

We shouldn’t even be in this division!

As if having a prize giveaway on the day we got relegated wasn’t out of touch enough….

With respect thats such an entitled statement - "we shouldnt be in this division"!!!
When we were in the prem did you think similarly given we've had 2 years in the top flight since 1971 I think ?
We are where we deserve to be on results - end of.
By all means criticise - its been a crap watch now for several years if we are honest and we've all vented our spleen at it on matchday and on here and rightly so.................the new owner / mouthpiece at times might be a tad out of touch - its perhaps unsurprising given their lack of knowledge of english football in general but they are having to learn on the job so to speak and lets be fair - they werent left a rosy picture were they?

But we shouldn’t be in League 1. It’s down to underinvestment over several seasons and some rank awful decisions from the Autumn of last year on that’s led us here for which nobody has been held accountable for. I agree the current team looks more at home in a very poor League 1 and would definitely struggle without major investment were we to be promoted this season.

[mosher]

Nov 28, 2024 14:42:58 GMT 1 willo said:

Nov 28, 2024 14:24:30 GMT 1 shawsie said:

With respect thats such an entitled statement - "we shouldnt be in this division"!!!
When we were in the prem did you think similarly given we've had 2 years in the top flight since 1971 I think ?
We are where we deserve to be on results - end of.
By all means criticise - its been a crap watch now for several years if we are honest and we've all vented our spleen at it on matchday and on here and rightly so.................the new owner / mouthpiece at times might be a tad out of touch - its perhaps unsurprising given their lack of knowledge of english football in general but they are having to learn on the job so to speak and lets be fair - they werent left a rosy picture were they?

But we shouldn’t be in League 1. It’s down to underinvestment over several seasons and some rank awful decisions from the Autumn of last year on that’s led us here for which nobody has been held accountable for. I agree the current team looks more at home in a very poor League 1 and would definitely struggle without major investment were we to be promoted this season.

I think the majority (even us "happyclappers"/"KN lovers"/choose your pejorative) would agree with that - the reason I agreed with / liked the shawsie post is that the post he was responding to came across as "we're too big to be in this division"** ie coming across all Massive or Chestwanky.

The difference with your post is that you've included the caveat/reasoning along with the "shouldn't be in this division".

** Very probably the original post wasn't intended that way.

[Captainslapper]

Nov 28, 2024 14:42:58 GMT 1 willo said:

Nov 28, 2024 14:24:30 GMT 1 shawsie said:

With respect thats such an entitled statement - "we shouldnt be in this division"!!!
When we were in the prem did you think similarly given we've had 2 years in the top flight since 1971 I think ?
We are where we deserve to be on results - end of.
By all means criticise - its been a crap watch now for several years if we are honest and we've all vented our spleen at it on matchday and on here and rightly so.................the new owner / mouthpiece at times might be a tad out of touch - its perhaps unsurprising given their lack of knowledge of english football in general but they are having to learn on the job so to speak and lets be fair - they werent left a rosy picture were they?

But we shouldn’t be in League 1. It’s down to underinvestment over several seasons and some rank awful decisions from the Autumn of last year on that’s led us here for which nobody has been held accountable for. I agree the current team looks more at home in a very poor League 1 and would definitely struggle without major investment were we to be promoted this season.

Dont you think we get the investment our income deserves?? So everything the fans contribute through their cheap tickets and quite a few million on top from the owners pocket....largely to make up the difference between income and what the outgoings are.

Our income was very low by championship standards and even in league 1 will only be the high side of average.
So why do some fans think we should be doing better?

Bad decisions Ill give you. We do seem to make a hell of a lot of those with the money we do have. Not always anyones fault, sometimes its just bad luck, and we seem to have more than our fair share of that.

[Jello Biafra]

Fuck.
Me.
Rigid.

[hoggy1975]

While we’re here, fancy getting Kev to get us a striker?

Marstons on me if we get two.

[shawsie]

Nov 28, 2024 15:13:47 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Nov 28, 2024 14:42:58 GMT 1 willo said:

But we shouldn’t be in League 1. It’s down to underinvestment over several seasons and some rank awful decisions from the Autumn of last year on that’s led us here for which nobody has been held accountable for. I agree the current team looks more at home in a very poor League 1 and would definitely struggle without major investment were we to be promoted this season.

Dont you think we get the investment our income deserves?? So everything the fans contribute through their cheap tickets and quite a few million on top from the owners pocket....largely to make up the difference between income and what the outgoings are.

Our income was very low by championship standards and even in league 1 will only be the high side of average.
So why do some fans think we should be doing better?

Bad decisions Ill give you. We do seem to make a hell of a lot of those with the money we do have. Not always anyones fault, sometimes its just bad luck, and we seem to have more than our fair share of that.

No - not really slapps if i'm honest.
We were told and reassured that the prem years would set the club up for "generations" and that we would never "blow our brains" whilst there - sadly neither are the case.
That's not a single jibe at DH because it would be unfair to say that without pointing out he massively raised expectation with not insignificant personal investment - that said, his choice of exit clearly held us back at a time when we would ordinarily be looking to push ourselves back to the top flight and decisions taken re ticketing pricing didnt help our income profile either.
Its all history now though - KN now has the reins and we simply have to hope he invests and generates additional revenue by making the team better to increase crowds/general interest in the club again................simples!

[terrierpark]

Nov 28, 2024 15:13:47 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Nov 28, 2024 14:42:58 GMT 1 willo said:

But we shouldn’t be in League 1. It’s down to underinvestment over several seasons and some rank awful decisions from the Autumn of last year on that’s led us here for which nobody has been held accountable for. I agree the current team looks more at home in a very poor League 1 and would definitely struggle without major investment were we to be promoted this season.

Dont you think we get the investment our income deserves?? So everything the fans contribute through their cheap tickets and quite a few million on top from the owners pocket....largely to make up the difference between income and what the outgoings are.

Our income was very low by championship standards and even in league 1 will only be the high side of average.
So why do some fans think we should be doing better?

Bad decisions Ill give you. We do seem to make a hell of a lot of those with the money we do have. Not always anyones fault, sometimes its just bad luck, and we seem to have more than our fair share of that.

It appears to me the club are doing everything we can to rectify that , but if you know why other clubs with lesser attendances have a much greater income i'd love to know.
In my humble opinion we constantly throw money away paying wages on many players that can only be described as a complete gamble like Hudlin for example Cartwright has somewhat bucked that trend with signings that who on paper should contribute but are in fact stealing a wage.
1 really good quality player will contribute far more than half a dozen of these squad fillers who are all picking up a wage they dont deserve.
We have no big saleable assetts in the squad apart from the 1 punt that did come off from Boreham wood and no one but no one would know watching us that a very rich multi millionaire was in charge . The shit show continues

[Bubbles]

Nov 28, 2024 14:24:30 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Nov 27, 2024 23:36:31 GMT 1 Bubbles said:

I’m all for positivity but that tweet just shows how clueless they really are.

He honestly thought things are good now when he posted that “look,we’ve won as many games as last season already…go HUD Town.”

We shouldn’t even be in this division!

As if having a prize giveaway on the day we got relegated wasn’t out of touch enough….

With respect thats such an entitled statement - "we shouldnt be in this division"!!!
When we were in the prem did you think similarly given we've had 2 years in the top flight since 1971 I think ?
We are where we deserve to be on results - end of.
By all means criticise - its been a crap watch now for several years if we are honest and we've all vented our spleen at it on matchday and on here and rightly so.................the new owner / mouthpiece at times might be a tad out of touch - its perhaps unsurprising given their lack of knowledge of english football in general but they are having to learn on the job so to speak and lets be fair - they werent left a rosy picture were they?

With respect,I dont think its "entitled" at all personally.

We really should'nt be in this Division though,we could've stayed up last season.
But we are here, in large part down to the owners and their management decisions.

[Captainslapper]

Nov 28, 2024 15:35:31 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Nov 28, 2024 15:13:47 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Dont you think we get the investment our income deserves?? So everything the fans contribute through their cheap tickets and quite a few million on top from the owners pocket....largely to make up the difference between income and what the outgoings are.

Our income was very low by championship standards and even in league 1 will only be the high side of average.
So why do some fans think we should be doing better?

Bad decisions Ill give you. We do seem to make a hell of a lot of those with the money we do have. Not always anyones fault, sometimes its just bad luck, and we seem to have more than our fair share of that.

No - not really slapps if i'm honest.
We were told and reassured that the prem years would set the club up for "generations" and that we would never "blow our brains" whilst there - sadly neither are the case.
That's not a single jibe at DH because it would be unfair to say that without pointing out he massively raised expectation with not insignificant personal investment - that said, his choice of exit clearly held us back at a time when we would ordinarily be looking to push ourselves back to the top flight and decisions taken re ticketing pricing didnt help our income profile either.
Its all history now though - KN now has the reins and we simply have to hope he invests and generates additional revenue by making the team better to increase crowds/general interest in the club again................simples!

True, but thats history now.
Its just 'could've..should've' now that isnt actually effecting what we do anymore.

We are where we are...our income is what it is,,,and the owner puts in what he wants to.
None of which really tallies with the idea we 'should' be this and that.

[Justasmithers]

As always, agree or disagree, I appreciate the discussion.

Happy Thanksgiving all, where we sit around and eat a giant turkey once a year and then relegate it to sandwich meat the other 364.

I would imagine there’s not really an equivalent over there?

[mosher]

Nov 28, 2024 15:54:11 GMT 1 Justasmithers said:

As always, agree or disagree, I appreciate the discussion.

Happy Thanksgiving all, where we sit around and eat a giant turkey once a year and then relegate it to sandwich meat the other 364.

I would imagine there’s not really an equivalent over there?

That's Christmas** for us Dave, but Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

** My mam's Turkey Curry is amazing 

[Arbie 1976.]

Used to like reading on this forum, but my god what's going on. Everyone should be positive going forwards, yes we've had a crap few years but we are where we are. Kev didn't have to sink his money into Huddersfield he chose to. The only thing I want to say IMHO Kev your a little nieve with what's been spun to you. Please continue your good work and move us forwards. Mr.Cartwright is not right for us IMHO. This is our club get behind it. UTT.

[Captainslapper]

Nov 28, 2024 15:49:14 GMT 1 terrierpark said:

Nov 28, 2024 15:13:47 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Dont you think we get the investment our income deserves?? So everything the fans contribute through their cheap tickets and quite a few million on top from the owners pocket....largely to make up the difference between income and what the outgoings are.

Our income was very low by championship standards and even in league 1 will only be the high side of average.
So why do some fans think we should be doing better?

Bad decisions Ill give you. We do seem to make a hell of a lot of those with the money we do have. Not always anyones fault, sometimes its just bad luck, and we seem to have more than our fair share of that.

It appears to me the club are doing everything we can to rectify that , but if you know why other clubs with lesser attendances have a much greater income i'd love to know.
In my humble opinion we constantly throw money away paying wages on many players that can only be described as a complete gamble like Hudlin for example Cartwright has somewhat bucked that trend with signings that who on paper should contribute but are in fact stealing a wage.
1 really good quality player will contribute far more than half a dozen of these squad fillers who are all picking up a wage they dont deserve.
We have no big saleable assetts in the squad apart from the 1 punt that did come off from Boreham wood and no one but no one would know watching us that a very rich multi millionaire was in charge . The shit show continues

Their fans pay a lot more than we do for their tickets.

[hoggy1975]

Please let’s not have another slapps moment bleating on again about ticket prices like he does once a month.

[townarentbest]

Nov 28, 2024 14:00:11 GMT 1 Ginger Ogre said:

Nov 28, 2024 13:45:02 GMT 1 dugnet said:

[At what point is a line actually going to be drawn on this? The truth is both sides to this, tiresome, exchange have points that can be substantiated but in reality they are getting lost in what is essentially a pissing competition about who is more right.

I should point out that my involvement in all this came about due to the nature of the interaction, not what was being discussed. Thats a footballing matter and not really part of this discussion. I obviously have my views on them but this wasn't the discussion to start airing them for me.

As I said above, personally any conversation about the subject of how Dave (and Kev) uses his (their) social media has a line drawn under it from my end.

None of us are going to convince the other they are right so not point discussing it any more. What will be will be and things will play out accordingly and quite honestly I'd rather Kev use his 'Huddersfield Town time' more wisely than arguing with a fella from Cleckheaton about what he posts online

I like this and the last few posts you've made - its become very circular, pointless & boring. Its time we moved on to hearing a new diary and reacting to the stadium ownership having been settled and getting excited for an upcoming run rattling through games starting next Tuesday through to March where we've finally got over the ridiculously annoying stop-start international breaks etc.

It doesn't really help when one party is out there saying they're going to learn and do better etc whilst at the same time doing the opposite and batting away any questioning/reasoning with a "well this is me, tough" dismission. I've been thinking back, and justaguy on here is in a similar position to what Sean Jarvis was - there is a difference in that Sean WAS employed by the club, although what he brought to DATM was rarely related to his actual job, and he was in that 'gauging and engaging' the fan base space that justaguy suggests he's in.

But what I don't really understand is, from what I recall, there was barely any rhetoric aimed at Sean even during the few seasons in the bottom third of the Championship ahead of that unusual year.

Whats the difference? Did Sean engage on Twitter (I've no idea) with random people?? Or was it just the luck of the situation that we were on a vaguely upward trajectory throughout his time here (until we weren't).

[richhtfc]

Nov 28, 2024 15:49:14 GMT 1 terrierpark said:

Nov 28, 2024 15:13:47 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Dont you think we get the investment our income deserves?? So everything the fans contribute through their cheap tickets and quite a few million on top from the owners pocket....largely to make up the difference between income and what the outgoings are.

Our income was very low by championship standards and even in league 1 will only be the high side of average.
So why do some fans think we should be doing better?

Bad decisions Ill give you. We do seem to make a hell of a lot of those with the money we do have. Not always anyones fault, sometimes its just bad luck, and we seem to have more than our fair share of that.

It appears to me the club are doing everything we can to rectify that , but if you know why other clubs with lesser attendances have a much greater income i'd love to know.
In my humble opinion we constantly throw money away paying wages on many players that can only be described as a complete gamble like Hudlin for example Cartwright has somewhat bucked that trend with signings that who on paper should contribute but are in fact stealing a wage.
1 really good quality player will contribute far more than half a dozen of these squad fillers who are all picking up a wage they dont deserve.
We have no big saleable assetts in the squad apart from the 1 punt that did come off from Boreham wood and no one but no one would know watching us that a very rich multi millionaire was in charge . The shit show continues

Pretty sure that because of the stadium ownership situation we still take nothing from match day trading for starters. All the food and drink deals are organised by KSDL who also run all the stadium trading activity, fast food, drinks, meals in hospitality etc etc..…. I think the idea is we should receive a share of the profits from this operation but in reality because KSDL is trading at a loss we get nothing. I’m happy to be corrected but that was my understanding and why us taking control of the stadium is so important.

[Bubbles]

Nov 28, 2024 14:56:17 GMT 1 mosher said:

Nov 28, 2024 14:42:58 GMT 1 willo said:

But we shouldn’t be in League 1. It’s down to underinvestment over several seasons and some rank awful decisions from the Autumn of last year on that’s led us here for which nobody has been held accountable for. I agree the current team looks more at home in a very poor League 1 and would definitely struggle without major investment were we to be promoted this season.

I think the majority (even us "happyclappers"/"KN lovers"/choose your pejorative) would agree with that - the reason I agreed with / liked the shawsie post is that the post he was responding to came across as "we're too big to be in this division"** ie coming across all Massive or Chestwanky.

The difference with your post is that you've included the caveat/reasoning along with the "shouldn't be in this division".

** Very probably the original post wasn't intended that way.

Oh no it didn't...

I'd never say were are too big for League One,but I stand by the fact we should and could have avoided relegation.

[mosher]

Nov 28, 2024 16:11:50 GMT 1 Bubbles said:

Nov 28, 2024 14:56:17 GMT 1 mosher said:

I think the majority (even us "happyclappers"/"KN lovers"/choose your pejorative) would agree with that - the reason I agreed with / liked the shawsie post is that the post he was responding to came across as "we're too big to be in this division"** ie coming across all Massive or Chestwanky.

The difference with your post is that you've included the caveat/reasoning along with the "shouldn't be in this division".

** Very probably the original post wasn't intended that way.

Oh no it didn't...

I'd never say were are too big for League One,but I stand by the fact we should and could have avoided relegation.

Mate, I think we'd all agree that we could (and [as you say] probably SHOULD) have escaped relegation.

It was just the way your** post was set out, it seemed like it was the way a Chestwanker or Wendy would have put it, which is why I put the asterisked bit that you probably didn't intend it that way; most of us on here seem to be of an age where we've experienced this crappy division before and don't think we're too big for it 

** I assume it was yours given you answered but I haven't checked

[The Sheriff Strikes Back]

Nov 28, 2024 13:24:17 GMT 1 Ginger Ogre said:

Nov 28, 2024 2:56:36 GMT 1 Justasmithers said:

This is 100% where I should let this go, but I’m a stubborn idiot.

I’m happy to be judged on my messages, but I’d like to get it right.

What specific name calling are we referring to when we were being “playground bullies”?

“Negative Neary”? I’m honest to god asking you what they were, maybe I missed something.

“Provoking a reaction?”

Yeah that’s fair, I was hoping for a smile. That wasn’t me mocking or being condescending, it was me saying, as I’ve said here in this thread, “hey we won, can we smile for a day?”

If that’s not what they want to do, that’s ok. I’m not a fan gatekeeper. People can fan how they want to fan.

My only issue here is you’re making it seem like Kevin and I are out on the prowl for naysaying Town Fan looking for blood if they dare say anything negative. The reality is more like this, forgive the language:

Twitter person: “Hey Dave you tosser! Tell your cu*t friend Kev to f*ck off back to America and take Carthorse with him!”

Me: hey Negative ______, we’ve won today. Can’t we be happy?”


Some other fans: “HOW DARE THEY ANTAGONIZE FANS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1861 HOW CHEEKY AND NAIVE AND PATRONIZING”


I’m obviously dramatizing but not that much. Search my mentions and “Town” and see what you find, not to mention the direct messages I’ll happily share privately.

And here’s the thing: it’s FINE. I’m fine with it it’s part of the gig and passion is passion. I’m 100% not complaining, but when I’m called a bully or playground name caller you’re going to get an eye roll so huge from me they might fall out the back of my head.

And yes, it’s Twitter and could easily be ignored. I think that’s the “standard” you talk about- be the bigger man, let it go, etc- but you also say I’m ok responding and being judged for it.

As far as not understanding things, though it’s not exactly the same, I’d remind you I’ve been a fan of the Sacramento Kings my entire life. The team that just literally broke a 100 year old record for futility. No championships. Never even been to a championship. Year after year. Including this year that’s currently 16 games in of 82, and I already know we likely suck.

And yet, a few times a year, I’ll be happy after wins, even knowing that in the long run we’ve no chance at a title (in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs).

And yea I know it’s American net ball that people only play when it rains outside, but it’s what we have and I’m a die-hard. Even without relegation.

So far it appears I’m guilty of:

- being naive

- name calling

- daring to be positive after a win

- being tone deaf

- not reading the room

- being a bully

As if having a handful of fans calling you a c*nt because you pointed out we matched our win total last year makes me the bully. Sounds strange to me.

Anyway there’s no win here. It’s ok. It’s not for everyone, and honestly the football is the product, not some moron’s tweets (me, I’m the moron to be clear). As Pozza said, I will be me, be judged on it, as will KN. Everything I say or do here or online comes from the place of loving this team and fanbase, but hey maybe the interactions are overrated.

Either way I’ll see you at Bolton. Look for the guy with the big nose smoking at the half and come on up and say hello (or whatever you wish).

As long as we get three points.

The 'playground bully' quote I'm referring is indeed that conversation with Matthew Neary on X. Matthew was just replying to a comment by another fan back from October asking another fan if they thought 'these 3 (referencing Healey, Bojan and Balker) can still be good signings?' You and Kev were tagged in the initial conversation back in October but Matthew was clearly just replying to another Town fan.

Kev then jumped in with 'Matthew Neary is simply a negative negative whiner. I have NEVER seen him write anything POSITIVE. Prove me wrong if you are a true Town fan. Anything???

You then piped up (literally 2 mins later) with 'This dude would whine about taxes if he won the lottery What's the point in even watching

That's what I saw, what annoyed me, and that's why I replied saying I thought it was great that you and Kev used X to interact with fans, however I thought the above was 'point scoring' by having shots at fans while trying to mock them. From a chairman and someone else who works very close to him its not a great look for Huddersfield Town, or yourselves. Would Kev allow any other members of staff he employs at the club to speak to fans in this way. If DTS, Mark Cartwright, or anyone else in a high up position was out on Social Media speaking to fans in that way would he be happy with it?

I mentioned you being 'on the prowl' simply because I see lots in interactions between Kev, yourself and fans on a regular basis and the majority of what I see are only to 'negative' messages. They are, and have been in the past, usually dismissive of anything said. The post with the score on was another example, and, as I said which you have somewhat acknowledged was to provoke a reaction, to suggest a 'be quiet fan, we've won despite the concern you are showing so stop showing the concern' You've both had a history of acting this way. The diary being another example where you called myself (and others) out in a similar way. I know you said that instance was in jest (and we have spoken about that before) but its an example of something that didn't need to be done.

You explained to me on X that 'it is what it is' and 'you are what you are' I explained that was fine and fans will form their own opinion on the interactions and that's what this thread is, fans posting opinions on you and how you interact with fans on Social Media. You state again in the quoted post that you are fine with it, and that you acknowledge its 'part of the job' You can roll your eyes at my opinion, that's fine with me. Just leave it at the eye roll though, don't come on here trying to justify it.

My advice was to indeed ignore things, you've no reason to listen to me at all, but was just my take on the situation and, as you (and Kev) rightly commented it came from a place of concern. I want everyone involved with Huddersfield Town to be on the same page, all to be pulling together and I felt, and know from conversations with lots of other fans, these interactions were causing more harm than good. In regards to the right of reply, if you don't want to ignore it then again I will re-iterate I have no problem with you replying, just do it in a more professional way for a man in your position. Again, just advice from a fan to try and encourage a more harmonious atmosphere between fans and owner.

I think you are right in that there is no win, we will just go round in circles so will leave it alone after this post as we clearly see things differently . You have your way and you are entitled to stick with it. It seems it doesn't really matter what I, or anyone thinks of the approach as seem happy with it which is fine, however the actions of people judging you may be influenced by it, just bear that in mind.

Spot on, again.

[htafcokay]

Nov 28, 2024 16:19:24 GMT 1 mosher said:

Nov 28, 2024 16:11:50 GMT 1 Bubbles said:

Oh no it didn't...

I'd never say were are too big for League One,but I stand by the fact we should and could have avoided relegation.

Mate, I think we'd all agree that we could (and [as you say] probably SHOULD) have escaped relegation.

It was just the way your** post was set out, it seemed like it was the way a Chestwanker or Wendy would have put it, which is why I put the asterisked bit that you probably didn't intend it that way; most of us on here seem to be of an age where we've experienced this crappy division before and don't think we're too big for it 

** I assume it was yours given you answered but I haven't checked

I don't think we should have done. The summer business was that bad (and don't get me started on January - which was labelled the best ever by some and parroted by the subject of this thread) that we were only heading one way last season. Warnock, given his history of saving no-hopers, was probably the only manager who could have squeezed enough out of them to get us above the line.

Some of us raised our concerns in the summer and were quickly shut down, Ginger Ogre especially.

And despite some desperate attempts from the club, the manager (Breitenreiter) and some of the fans to blame it all on Warnock and his pre-season routine, the reason why we went down was because we failed to address the glaring holes in our squad in the summer and despite having a second chance to do this in January, we bought a bag of shite who we are now lumbered with on big wages in a lower division.

The thing is, some of us have seen it all before and could see it coming a mile off. Nagle and his friend haven't and couldn't.

[Sio]

Nov 28, 2024 16:05:52 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Nov 28, 2024 14:00:11 GMT 1 Ginger Ogre said:

I should point out that my involvement in all this came about due to the nature of the interaction, not what was being discussed. Thats a footballing matter and not really part of this discussion. I obviously have my views on them but this wasn't the discussion to start airing them for me.

As I said above, personally any conversation about the subject of how Dave (and Kev) uses his (their) social media has a line drawn under it from my end.

None of us are going to convince the other they are right so not point discussing it any more. What will be will be and things will play out accordingly and quite honestly I'd rather Kev use his 'Huddersfield Town time' more wisely than arguing with a fella from Cleckheaton about what he posts online

I like this and the last few posts you've made - its become very circular, pointless & boring. Its time we moved on to hearing a new diary and reacting to the stadium ownership having been settled and getting excited for an upcoming run rattling through games starting next Tuesday through to March where we've finally got over the ridiculously annoying stop-start international breaks etc.

It doesn't really help when one party is out there saying they're going to learn and do better etc whilst at the same time doing the opposite and batting away any questioning/reasoning with a "well this is me, tough" dismission. I've been thinking back, and justaguy on here is in a similar position to what Sean Jarvis was - there is a difference in that Sean WAS employed by the club, although what he brought to DATM was rarely related to his actual job, and he was in that 'gauging and engaging' the fan base space that justaguy suggests he's in.

But what I don't really understand is, from what I recall, there was barely any rhetoric aimed at Sean even during the few seasons in the bottom third of the Championship ahead of that unusual year.

Whats the difference? Did Sean engage on Twitter (I've no idea) with random people?? Or was it just the luck of the situation that we were on a vaguely upward trajectory throughout his time here (until we weren't).

I'm really not trying to catch Dave out here but I do think the link to the club is being downplayed. It doesn't really matter either way but I'd be curious to know what the official relationship is.

This article here states quite explicitly that Dave - in his words - 'works for' the club. EDIT: 'works with' - slight difference.

No issue of course. Seems a good guy, social media daftness aside.

barrettmedia.com/2024/09/05/carmichael-dave-sacramento-city/