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Post by griffa on Jan 24, 2024 21:08:59 GMT 1
Just received match tickets today, Darren Moore is a poor manager, despite which, still hope that my beloved team beat QPR - UTT.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 24, 2024 21:12:39 GMT 1
AND we'll look extremely stupid if we win on saturday, then lose the next 2 and have to sack him anyway. lol It's an ARSE ABOUT FACE situation. Imagine winning when we don't even play..... More likely than when we actually do play |
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Post by griffa on Jan 24, 2024 21:14:38 GMT 1
Just received match tickets today, Darren Moore is a poor manager, despite which, still hope that my beloved team beat QPR - UTT.
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Post by softboy on Jan 24, 2024 22:29:05 GMT 1
I really do believe the players have generally given 100% but I just feel the mixed up starting line ups, substitutions, tactics are hindering them! Take a point now.
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Post by specialun on Jan 24, 2024 22:45:15 GMT 1
Hogg’s days are gone? Nonsense. Sure the statisticians will tell you otherwise for starters
Huge role to play
However - if we’re playing 532 (it’s never seen 352 or 3142 or whatever he thinks it is) we can have more flexibility in the middle 3 and don’t need pure defensive minded players in the 3 (we shouldn’t be playing 5 every week but that’s a different point & one not up for debate in Moores world)
And nor should he having to play 3 games in a week all season (na for now)
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Post by pinstripe on Jan 24, 2024 23:30:05 GMT 1
Hogg made a massive mistake last game, but saying his days are gone seems like knee jerk disrespect to an absolute custodian to the club. Also I sense Darren Moore may just lose the dressing room completely if he decided to play a man we’ve had in the team for two weeks instead of the team’s captain. Nothing to do with last week - that's always in Hogg's locker unfortunately. The old 'custodian', 'loyal servant', 'club legend' stuff doesn't win football games - he's been the focal point of lots of dreadful seasons for too long now. Fresh start needed. Fresh start on an impermanent loan acquisition from chelsea? I can see a lot of people agree with you so I’ll keep it brief, but he’s also been the focal point of two of the best seasons I’ve seen at the club under Wagner and Corberan, one of which is technically the best anyone has seen in 45 years. I just looked at your comment and thought Hogg deserved more respect than that, especially calling him past it when our team this season doesn’t have an ‘it’ to currently stand on. I trust his ability. |
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Post by willo on Jan 25, 2024 0:58:25 GMT 1
I still can’t believe fans are hoping for a defeat so that DM is closer to getting sacked. I fully accept he will probably go in the near future but every point counts. Equally, it would be really stupid to sack him without having somebody lined up to take his place. As already debated there are no obvious choices. Maybe KN intends to back him for a few more games or maybe he’s already interviewing potential candidates. Both of the above take time. If we sacked him without a plan then the abuse on here would reach new levels. Calm down and in the meantime support the team, the players and the club. If we’re appointing an out of work manager, talks could/will have taken place this week in case we do actually lose on Sunday. |
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Post by irverino on Jan 25, 2024 2:19:21 GMT 1
I still can’t believe fans are hoping for a defeat so that DM is closer to getting sacked. I fully accept he will probably go in the near future but every point counts. Equally, it would be really stupid to sack him without having somebody lined up to take his place. As already debated there are no obvious choices. Maybe KN intends to back him for a few more games or maybe he’s already interviewing potential candidates. Both of the above take time. If we sacked him without a plan then the abuse on here would reach new levels. Calm down and in the meantime support the team, the players and the club. If we’re appointing an out of work manager, talks could/will have taken place this week in case we do actually lose on Sunday. Belief in the manager is at virtual rock bottom amongst Town supporters, our relegation rival fans at QPR trying to sell out Loftus Road for Sunday & Wendies lot buying tickets for a week on Sat at JS in hours.......Does anyone truly believe DM is all a sudden going to get it right now apart from KN, MC & KE, absolute huge gamble even if we make the change next week now. |
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Post by dezzly on Jan 25, 2024 7:08:35 GMT 1
Hogg’s days are gone? Nonsense. Sure the statisticians will tell you otherwise for starters Huge role to play However - if we’re playing 532 (it’s never seen 352 or 3142 or whatever he thinks it is) we can have more flexibility in the middle 3 and don’t need pure defensive minded players in the 3 (we shouldn’t be playing 5 every week but that’s a different point & one not up for debate in Moores world) And nor should he having to play 3 games in a week all season (na for now) Just to pick you up on the point about it in your opinion it not been a 5 and that in moores world it’s not open for debate. I have always been of the opinion that after the Cardiff and Leeds messes he did go to a flat back 5…for roughly around 6 games.Then from the Bristol home game it moved to a 3 with the wing backs higher.Obviously it drops into a 5 at times if they are in our 3rd for a sustained period,or sometimes we drop into a 4 and do it that way. Anyway as that was my opinion and you have yours I went on whoscored.com to look(there is a section to look at average player positions in the match).I could only go as far back as Blackburn at home but in every single game including Leicester(I didn’t bother looking at the city game) it shows clearly that the average player positions do not show a back 5 and do show a back 3.Now admittedly the midfield in general is probably slightly deeper than you would like but the wing backs certainly don’t make up a back 5.I know the football feels negative and that narrative of this back 5 has probably been drawn from that 6 game stretch a mentioned but I just feel like folk need to watch what’s actually happening game by game as to me anyway I feel like once something happens once or even twice that’s that then and that’s what happens every week.I’m not trying to say the football is brilliant or anything like that but just point out something iv seen many many people say maybe isn’t quite correct.iv included a link from Saturdays game if anyone wants to check out what I mean. www.whoscored.com/Matches/1732075/MatchReport/England-Championship-2023-2024-Blackburn-Huddersfield |
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Post by conman on Jan 25, 2024 7:47:50 GMT 1
Lose , and he's definitely gone..
Draw , and he's most likely gone..
Win , could just be a stay of execution..
So I'm going for a draw , drop two points , and get another manager in , someone with experience , someone with a bit of go and enthusiasm , someone who can get us out of this shit before it's too late..
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Post by royrace on Jan 25, 2024 9:59:48 GMT 1
Nothing to do with last week - that's always in Hogg's locker unfortunately. The old 'custodian', 'loyal servant', 'club legend' stuff doesn't win football games - he's been the focal point of lots of dreadful seasons for too long now. Fresh start needed. Fresh start on an impermanent loan acquisition from chelsea? I can see a lot of people agree with you so I’ll keep it brief, but he’s also been the focal point of two of the best seasons I’ve seen at the club under Wagner and Corberan, one of which is technically the best anyone has seen in 45 years. I just looked at your comment and thought Hogg deserved more respect than that, especially calling him past it when our team this season doesn’t have an ‘it’ to currently stand on. I trust his ability. I just think like all players he's not immune to looking poor and making mistakes in a poorly coached and under performing team. Least of our problems. I think QPR will beat us and probably Wednesday too, I think they've left it too late to replace Moore. I don't know why anyone expected a few new signings to change things. He's shown absolutely nothing so far to indicate he's capable of keeping us in the division. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 25, 2024 10:40:36 GMT 1
Fresh start on an impermanent loan acquisition from chelsea? I can see a lot of people agree with you so I’ll keep it brief, but he’s also been the focal point of two of the best seasons I’ve seen at the club under Wagner and Corberan, one of which is technically the best anyone has seen in 45 years. I just looked at your comment and thought Hogg deserved more respect than that, especially calling him past it when our team this season doesn’t have an ‘it’ to currently stand on. I trust his ability. I just think like all players he's not immune to looking poor and making mistakes in a poorly coached and under performing team. Least of our problems. I think QPR will beat us and probably Wednesday too, I think they've left it too late to replace Moore. I don't know why anyone expected a few new signings to change things. He's shown absolutely nothing so far to indicate he's capable of keeping us in the division. For gods sake take a day off, your depressing the life out of every thread. |
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Post by ram on Jan 25, 2024 11:16:37 GMT 1
The fact that he is still here tells me that Mr.Nagle is like a gambling addict who keeps betting despite losing every time,but keeps on doing it in the vain hope his luck changes.Because of that,Moore will be here forever.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 25, 2024 11:22:34 GMT 1
One concern I have about sacking him now is ... who replaces him?
All the names I've seen mentioned either have questions marks over them or they're miles out of our reach.
Darren Moore is not the right man for he job long term. That much is now pretty clear. But if we're going to replace him then we need to get it right. If not, we might as well stick with what we have until the right guy (whoever that may be) becomes available.
Hoping for a loss? Against 2 of our biggest rivals for avoiding the drop?
As I said earlier, results-wise he's not underachieved THAT badly. My hope is simply that we stay up this season and then begin building a project in the summer. Whether Darren Moore finishes the month here or not, losing games - especially to your relegation rivals - ain't going to help.
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Post by royrace on Jan 25, 2024 13:06:03 GMT 1
I just think like all players he's not immune to looking poor and making mistakes in a poorly coached and under performing team. Least of our problems. I think QPR will beat us and probably Wednesday too, I think they've left it too late to replace Moore. I don't know why anyone expected a few new signings to change things. He's shown absolutely nothing so far to indicate he's capable of keeping us in the division. For gods sake take a day off, your depressing the life out of every thread. Lol I've hardly posted recently  There's not much to say is there, even you seem to be coming round to the fact you've been talking utter bollocks for months! You should learn how to spell too if you're going to be such a pompous twat! Got any positive and uplifting input to the discussion about town QPR or Hoggs form? |
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Post by townarentbest on Jan 25, 2024 13:59:48 GMT 1
The fact that he is still here tells me that Mr.Nagle is like a gambling addict who keeps betting despite losing every time,but keeps on doing it in the vain hope his luck changes.Because of that,Moore will be here forever. Except we've not lost a league game since New Years Day, and even that was to the team that will almost definitely be Champions. Its not as simple a decision as it might seem to us fans. |
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Post by Sio on Jan 25, 2024 14:02:33 GMT 1
The fact that he is still here tells me that Mr.Nagle is like a gambling addict who keeps betting despite losing every time,but keeps on doing it in the vain hope his luck changes.Because of that,Moore will be here forever. Except we've not lost a league game since New Years Day, and even that was to the team that will almost definitely be Champions. Its not as simple a decision as it might seem to us fans. We're unbeaten in two games against teams almost as bad as us, one of which couldn't buy a result away from home. Let's not paint that as some achievement that is causing a conundrum for the club. Actually baffled I'm even reading that. We've sunk so low in our expectations. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 25, 2024 14:08:37 GMT 1
For gods sake take a day off, your depressing the life out of every thread. Lol I've hardly posted recently There's not much to say is there, even you seem to be coming round to the fact you've been talking utter bollocks for months! You should learn how to spell too if you're going to be such a pompous twat! Got any positive and uplifting input to the discussion about town QPR or Hoggs form? You crack on with your depressing missives, after reading “ pompous twat” I was going to point out the irony , however intelligence obviously isn’t your strongest trait so I’ll bid you good day, if you ever have one . ☹️☹️ |
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jan 25, 2024 14:09:18 GMT 1
I think QPR will beat us and probably Wednesday too, I think they've left it too late to replace Moore. I don't know why anyone expected a few new signings to change things. He's shown absolutely nothing so far to indicate he's capable of keeping us in the division.[/quote]
Hope Wednesday don't beat us. I've booked my hotel train & match tickets for next weekend👍
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Post by townarentbest on Jan 25, 2024 14:11:16 GMT 1
Except we've not lost a league game since New Years Day, and even that was to the team that will almost definitely be Champions. Its not as simple a decision as it might seem to us fans. We're unbeaten in two games against teams almost as bad as us, one of which couldn't buy a result away from home. Let's not paint that as some achievement that is causing a conundrum for the club. Actually baffled I'm even reading that. We've sunk so low in our expectations. Expectations haven't sunk. They're realistic. Expectations have been low this season just as they were last season (and just as they justifiably were the season before, but we got lucky with a solid defence across the whole season and a Sorba Thomas purple patch). This division, you need a solid defence and just a couple of players forward of that who can raise their head above the average and you're in the top 10. We've had neither. |
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Post by Sio on Jan 25, 2024 14:16:28 GMT 1
We're unbeaten in two games against teams almost as bad as us, one of which couldn't buy a result away from home. Let's not paint that as some achievement that is causing a conundrum for the club. Actually baffled I'm even reading that. We've sunk so low in our expectations. Expectations haven't sunk. They're realistic. Expectations have been low this season just as they were last season (and just as they justifiably were the season before, but we got lucky with a solid defence across the whole season and a Sorba Thomas purple patch). This division, you need a solid defence and just a couple of players forward of that who can raise their head above the average and you're in the top 10. We've had neither. Not denying any of that - expectations were arguably too high at the start of this season to be honest; I recall many suggesting top 10 under Warnock. However, two unbeaten against weak Plymouth and Blackburn sides should not be our barometer for stability and certainly not for success. There are far too many factors at play for that statistic to be even involved in anyone's decision making process - it's not in any way an achievement. |
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Post by Fish & Chips on Jan 25, 2024 14:24:45 GMT 1
The fact that he is still here tells me that Mr.Nagle is like a gambling addict who keeps betting despite losing every time,but keeps on doing it in the vain hope his luck changes.Because of that,Moore will be here forever. That's harsh. The reality is the this man has invested a great deal of money into buying the club. He was then advised by his trusted lieutenants that Moore was the best man for the job, so he hired him and Moore's entourage, costing £ millions.
It wasn't a gamble, it was 'expert' advice. Now it's going pear-shaped, but the new signings may turn things around, maybe not. Nagle's on the rack for a few more £ million if he has to replace Moore and co, so it's inevitable he's going to wait until the QPR or Wednesday game for his final assessment and decision.
I'd be doing the same if it was my hard-earned money.
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Post by upthetown on Jan 25, 2024 14:30:05 GMT 1
I’d go:
Nicholls
Spencer Helik Balker Jackson
Thomas Kasumu Matos Rudoni
Radulovic Healey
Or:
Nicholls
Spencer Helik Balker Jackson
Kasumu Matos Rudoni
Thomas Radulovic Healey (or Koroma)
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Post by townarentbest on Jan 25, 2024 14:32:18 GMT 1
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Post by conman on Jan 25, 2024 14:55:37 GMT 1
I just think like all players he's not immune to looking poor and making mistakes in a poorly coached and under performing team. Least of our problems. I think QPR will beat us and probably Wednesday too, I think they've left it too late to replace Moore. I don't know why anyone expected a few new signings to change things. He's shown absolutely nothing so far to indicate he's capable of keeping us in the division. For gods sake take a day off, your depressing the life out of every thread. I don't think QPR will beat us , I think it'll be another one point on our journey to relegation . But if they do , Moore will be long gone by Monday morning , so every cloud has a silver lining as they say . Can't some folk on here see how negative this guy is , and the harm he's doing to our club ? |
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Post by mosher on Jan 25, 2024 15:04:52 GMT 1
1-1 Helik
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Post by mosher on Jan 25, 2024 15:06:23 GMT 1
yes lets hope so he needs to be gone we have not made any diffrence with new players said he shouldnt have got a transfer nothing wrong in players brought in its moore he needs to be sacked asap we loose at qpr and hes no excuses  ! He takes his user name to heart |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 25, 2024 15:15:30 GMT 1
Why do people expect us to win at QPR , they are an established Championship club with championship players, I hope we win and I hope we play well , but I don’t expect us to win .The performance may swing Nagels axe, I don’t think the result will,imo.
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Post by willo on Jan 25, 2024 15:16:26 GMT 1
For gods sake take a day off, your depressing the life out of every thread. I don't think QPR will beat us , I think it'll be another one point on our journey to relegation . But if they do , Moore will be long gone by Monday morning , so every cloud has a silver lining as they say . Can't some folk on here see how negative this guy is , and the harm he's doing to our club ? I think we will lose this one, DM will be dismissed on the Monday and we will have a new manager in for the Sheffield Wednesday game. I’m not saying everyone will be in favour of the new guy but I reckon they’ll be a lot more onboard than they ever have been with DM. I just think there’s an inevitability about the whole situation now. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 25, 2024 15:17:12 GMT 1
I’d go: Nicholls Spencer Helik Balker Jackson Thomas Kasumu Matos Rudoni Radulovic Healey Or: Nicholls Spencer Helik Balker Jackson Kasumu Matos Rudoni Thomas Radulovic Healey (or Koroma) Or, Or, Or,…….. |
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There's not much to say is there, even you seem to be coming round to the fact you've been talking utter bollocks for months!
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