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Post by rockwall on Jan 23, 2024 16:57:57 GMT 1
Some of best days out I have had following town is in League 1. Would it be bad for the ub to go down? Of course it would. Would it spoil my days out watching Town? Absolutely not. Don't understand 'fans' only wanting to watch us in the top 2 divisions. It's bizarre. A lot on here probably have never had to Fair point. Obviously we all want to playing as high as we can. But the matchdays away for me have been better in the bottom 2 divisions. Home, attendances lower, but atmosphere not that bad apart from the Wadsworth era. |
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Post by King Neil on Jan 23, 2024 17:07:05 GMT 1
The nearly promotion seasons under Lee Clark were great..battling for automatic promotion
Just a shame the pressure finally got to him...a nice bloke with good heart
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Post by davethesprout on Jan 23, 2024 17:15:10 GMT 1
Stockport away on a friday night , Doncaster away , Carlisle .
Nothing conpares to the great team in 1969/70 season won 10 d6 lost 5 , only saw 1 defeat Swindon & that was a last minute goal
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Post by King Neil on Jan 23, 2024 17:20:30 GMT 1
Fulham and tranmere rovers used to be Friday nighters aswell
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 23, 2024 20:15:10 GMT 1
Talking to Blackburn colleagues today they are adamant that they have administration and points deduction closing in. Only just had a 2 million loan for wages and utilities bills apparently any reasonable offer for any player will be accepted.
New regulations in India combined with fans staying away untill the Venkys are gone is a very dangerous situation
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Post by cyberman on Jan 24, 2024 10:24:02 GMT 1
Some of best days out I have had following town is in League 1. Would it be bad for the ub to go down? Of course it would. Would it spoil my days out watching Town? Absolutely not. Don't understand 'fans' only wanting to watch us in the top 2 divisions. It's bizarre. But due to the appalling mismanagement of the club over the past 4 to 5 years may now have to endure. Anyone for an Exeter away trip on a Tues night in mid December ?. Carry on as we are its a real possibility ! |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 24, 2024 10:39:54 GMT 1
Fulham and tranmere rovers used to be Friday nighters aswell Didn’t Tranmere always play Friday nights to try and boost the gate/so they didn’t clash with Liverpool and Everton? |
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Post by willo on Jan 24, 2024 10:54:40 GMT 1
A lot on here probably have never had to But due to the appalling mismanagement of the club over the past 4 to 5 years may now have to endure. Anyone for an Exeter away trip on a Tues night in mid December ?. Carry on as we are its a real possibility ! Been there, done that. Helluva long way, overnight stay and 2 days off work. Decent night out from what I recall though, wound up in a jazz club of all places! Smooth. Cannot remember the result though. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jan 24, 2024 11:01:16 GMT 1
A lot on here probably have never had to Fair point. Obviously we all want to playing as high as we can. But the matchdays away for me have been better in the bottom 2 divisions. Home, attendances lower, but atmosphere not that bad apart from the Wadsworth era. I’m an old fart now (have been for some time and some would say for several decades) and my one piece of advice to young Town fans is to take each season as it comes, no matter which division Town are in and don’t worry about those in the future or the past. In my 54/55 seasons, and like many others on here no doubt, I’ve seen Town in all 4 divisions, twice, both at Leeds Road and the current stadium. “Violently inconsistent; you’ll never sing that!”. I can’t think of many clubs which provide such starkly different fortunes (Burnley, Wolves and Sheffield United spring to mind but they are amateurs in comparison and have kept the same stadium). Despite many rubbish teams and periods, it’s allowed me to see Town in 120+ grounds and I feel as equally at home at Leyton Orient, Gillingham or Carlisle as I do at Old Trafford, Goodison or White Hart Lane. 79/80 and 03/04 in the basement were emphatically better experiences than our last season in the top flight and much of the other 3 since 1969 too. There were horrible seasons like 87/88 and most of the 70s (which were forebodingly dark in a way that simply doesn’t compare to any poor period since) and stretches of mind numbingly boring seasons of finishing 10th in the third tier. Successful relegation battles are far superior to those seasons. I will be hugely disappointed if we are relegated, and I don’t see it as a good thing in any way at all (it is a dangerous myth to think that it is a “reset”, it is failure) but you get over it and support them in the next seasonal adventure. UTFT. |
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Post by King Neil on Jan 24, 2024 11:18:57 GMT 1
Fulham and tranmere rovers used to be Friday nighters aswell Didn’t Tranmere always play Friday nights to try and boost the gate/so they didn’t clash with Liverpool and Everton? I think it was partly to get a higher attendance and also to do with policing |
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Post by royrace on Jan 24, 2024 11:31:04 GMT 1
Relegation would be a disaster, those thinking otherwise probably don't remember last time. Look at Charlton, just one example, there are many others.
I've been there and done league one many times, if we're relegated due to our own incompetence I doubt very much I'll bother going.
That's what happens when you slide down the leagues, people just stop bothering. Small crowds, small clubs, crap football, no TV money, no coverage, all decent players will be gone for knock down prices. FFP means KN couldn't buy his way out even if he wanted to.
Much much harder to get out of than to avoid the drop. The sooner they rectify the huge mistake they made, the better.
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Post by willo on Jan 24, 2024 11:41:17 GMT 1
Prevention far better than the cure. I genuinely believe we can stay up as I think we have the players but not with Darren Moore in charge. We are where we were last season, made the required change then and stayed up. We simply have to do the same again. As it stands, I can’t believe now we’re at Wednesday DM is going anywhere before the QPR game - if he was going before this one, he’d have gone by now - and we all know how much is riding on this game! Not just the 3 points but the future of DM as Town manager.
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 24, 2024 11:57:33 GMT 1
Fair point. Obviously we all want to playing as high as we can. But the matchdays away for me have been better in the bottom 2 divisions. Home, attendances lower, but atmosphere not that bad apart from the Wadsworth era. I’m an old fart now (have been for some time and some would say for several decades) and my one piece of advice to young Town fans is to take each season as it comes, no matter which division Town are in and don’t worry about those in the future or the past. In my 54/55 seasons, and like many others on here no doubt, I’ve seen Town in all 4 divisions, twice, both at Leeds Road and the current stadium. “Violently inconsistent; you’ll never sing that!”. I can’t think of many clubs which provide such starkly different fortunes (Burnley, Wolves and Sheffield United spring to mind but they are amateurs in comparison and have kept the same stadium). Despite many rubbish teams and periods, it’s allowed me to see Town in 120+ grounds and I feel as equally at home at Leyton Orient, Gillingham or Carlisle as I do at Old Trafford, Goodison or White Hart Lane. 79/80 and 03/04 in the basement were emphatically better experiences than our last season in the top flight and much of the other 3 since 1969 too. There were horrible seasons like 87/88 and most of the 70s (which were forebodingly dark in a way that simply doesn’t compare to any poor period since) and stretches of mind numbingly boring seasons of finishing 10th in the third tier. Successful relegation battles are far superior to those seasons. I will be hugely disappointed if we are relegated, and I don’t see it as a good thing in any way at all (it is a dangerous myth to think that it is a “reset”, it is failure) but you get over it and support them in the next seasonal adventure. UTFT. Nothing tops 2003-04 for me. That team nor the manager are ever shown any respect for doing what they did. Didn't just get promoted, they rescued the club completely. Jacko and Taff dragged us kicking and screaming out of that division. If we hadn't have gone straight back up, I dread to think where we'd be now. |
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Post by detox on Jan 24, 2024 12:57:07 GMT 1
Stockport away on a friday night , Doncaster away , Carlisle . Nothing conpares to the great team in 1969/70 season won 10 d6 lost 5 , only saw 1 defeat Swindon & that was a last minute goal I was there too...in that open end behind the goals...still dizzy from going round the 'magic roundabout'...  |
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Post by King Neil on Jan 24, 2024 12:58:35 GMT 1
I’m an old fart now (have been for some time and some would say for several decades) and my one piece of advice to young Town fans is to take each season as it comes, no matter which division Town are in and don’t worry about those in the future or the past. In my 54/55 seasons, and like many others on here no doubt, I’ve seen Town in all 4 divisions, twice, both at Leeds Road and the current stadium. “Violently inconsistent; you’ll never sing that!”. I can’t think of many clubs which provide such starkly different fortunes (Burnley, Wolves and Sheffield United spring to mind but they are amateurs in comparison and have kept the same stadium). Despite many rubbish teams and periods, it’s allowed me to see Town in 120+ grounds and I feel as equally at home at Leyton Orient, Gillingham or Carlisle as I do at Old Trafford, Goodison or White Hart Lane. 79/80 and 03/04 in the basement were emphatically better experiences than our last season in the top flight and much of the other 3 since 1969 too. There were horrible seasons like 87/88 and most of the 70s (which were forebodingly dark in a way that simply doesn’t compare to any poor period since) and stretches of mind numbingly boring seasons of finishing 10th in the third tier. Successful relegation battles are far superior to those seasons. I will be hugely disappointed if we are relegated, and I don’t see it as a good thing in any way at all (it is a dangerous myth to think that it is a “reset”, it is failure) but you get over it and support them in the next seasonal adventure. UTFT. Nothing tops 2003-04 for me. That team nor the manager are ever shown any respect for doing what they did. Didn't just get promoted, they rescued the club completely. Jacko and Taff dragged us kicking and screaming out of that division. If we hadn't have gone straight back up, I dread to think where we'd be now. We had a bit of luck that day in Cardiff...I think the Mansfield goal should have stood |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 24, 2024 13:18:06 GMT 1
Fair point. Obviously we all want to playing as high as we can. But the matchdays away for me have been better in the bottom 2 divisions. Home, attendances lower, but atmosphere not that bad apart from the Wadsworth era. I’m an old fart now (have been for some time and some would say for several decades) and my one piece of advice to young Town fans is to take each season as it comes, no matter which division Town are in and don’t worry about those in the future or the past. In my 54/55 seasons, and like many others on here no doubt, I’ve seen Town in all 4 divisions, twice, both at Leeds Road and the current stadium. “Violently inconsistent; you’ll never sing that!”. I can’t think of many clubs which provide such starkly different fortunes (Burnley, Wolves and Sheffield United spring to mind but they are amateurs in comparison and have kept the same stadium). Despite many rubbish teams and periods, it’s allowed me to see Town in 120+ grounds and I feel as equally at home at Leyton Orient, Gillingham or Carlisle as I do at Old Trafford, Goodison or White Hart Lane. 79/80 and 03/04 in the basement were emphatically better experiences than our last season in the top flight and much of the other 3 since 1969 too. There were horrible seasons like 87/88 and most of the 70s (which were forebodingly dark in a way that simply doesn’t compare to any poor period since) and stretches of mind numbingly boring seasons of finishing 10th in the third tier. Successful relegation battles are far superior to those seasons. I will be hugely disappointed if we are relegated, and I don’t see it as a good thing in any way at all (it is a dangerous myth to think that it is a “reset”, it is failure) but you get over it and support them in the next seasonal adventure. UTFT. Absolutely spot on. |
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Post by bluebeard on Jan 24, 2024 19:51:16 GMT 1
I have watched Town since 1966 and like every other season, relegation would see players leaving in droves and fans too. On a cold rainy January night, i cant see many turning out to watch us play Exeter, Stevenage, Cheltenham, Orient, Fleetwood, Cambridge, Wycombe just to name a few and that is the reality of it.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 24, 2024 20:31:18 GMT 1
I have watched Town since 1966 and like every other season, relegation would see players leaving in droves and fans too. On a cold rainy January night, i cant see many turning out to watch us play Exeter, Stevenage, Cheltenham, Orient, Fleetwood, Cambridge, Wycombe just to name a few and that is the reality of it. Not just that but the gap in quality between the leagues grows year on year .....i attempted to watch sadford last night and genuinely fell asleep before the hour mark. Be very careful what you wish for....... Town v exeter on a cold wet tues night in jan would see more seats empty than full of spectators sadly. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 24, 2024 20:50:23 GMT 1
I’m an old fart now (have been for some time and some would say for several decades) and my one piece of advice to young Town fans is to take each season as it comes, no matter which division Town are in and don’t worry about those in the future or the past. In my 54/55 seasons, and like many others on here no doubt, I’ve seen Town in all 4 divisions, twice, both at Leeds Road and the current stadium. “Violently inconsistent; you’ll never sing that!”. I can’t think of many clubs which provide such starkly different fortunes (Burnley, Wolves and Sheffield United spring to mind but they are amateurs in comparison and have kept the same stadium). Despite many rubbish teams and periods, it’s allowed me to see Town in 120+ grounds and I feel as equally at home at Leyton Orient, Gillingham or Carlisle as I do at Old Trafford, Goodison or White Hart Lane. 79/80 and 03/04 in the basement were emphatically better experiences than our last season in the top flight and much of the other 3 since 1969 too. There were horrible seasons like 87/88 and most of the 70s (which were forebodingly dark in a way that simply doesn’t compare to any poor period since) and stretches of mind numbingly boring seasons of finishing 10th in the third tier. Successful relegation battles are far superior to those seasons. I will be hugely disappointed if we are relegated, and I don’t see it as a good thing in any way at all (it is a dangerous myth to think that it is a “reset”, it is failure) but you get over it and support them in the next seasonal adventure. UTFT. Nothing tops 2003-04 for me. That team nor the manager are ever shown any respect for doing what they did. Didn't just get promoted, they rescued the club completely. Jacko and Taff dragged us kicking and screaming out of that division. If we hadn't have gone straight back up, I dread to think where we'd be now. 6 players 1st day of pre season. Incredible achievement. Had to rely on a lot of academy players to make the step up. Yet Moore makes excuses with a few injuries! Jacko and Taff are true legends. |
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Post by mosher on Jan 25, 2024 13:10:17 GMT 1
I’m an old fart now (have been for some time and some would say for several decades) and my one piece of advice to young Town fans is to take each season as it comes, no matter which division Town are in and don’t worry about those in the future or the past. In my 54/55 seasons, and like many others on here no doubt, I’ve seen Town in all 4 divisions, twice, both at Leeds Road and the current stadium. “Violently inconsistent; you’ll never sing that!”. I can’t think of many clubs which provide such starkly different fortunes (Burnley, Wolves and Sheffield United spring to mind but they are amateurs in comparison and have kept the same stadium). Despite many rubbish teams and periods, it’s allowed me to see Town in 120+ grounds and I feel as equally at home at Leyton Orient, Gillingham or Carlisle as I do at Old Trafford, Goodison or White Hart Lane. 79/80 and 03/04 in the basement were emphatically better experiences than our last season in the top flight and much of the other 3 since 1969 too. There were horrible seasons like 87/88 and most of the 70s (which were forebodingly dark in a way that simply doesn’t compare to any poor period since) and stretches of mind numbingly boring seasons of finishing 10th in the third tier. Successful relegation battles are far superior to those seasons. I will be hugely disappointed if we are relegated, and I don’t see it as a good thing in any way at all (it is a dangerous myth to think that it is a “reset”, it is failure) but you get over it and support them in the next seasonal adventure. UTFT. Nothing tops 2003-04 for me. That team nor the manager are ever shown any respect for doing what they did. Didn't just get promoted, they rescued the club completely. Jacko and Taff dragged us kicking and screaming out of that division. If we hadn't have gone straight back up, I dread to think where we'd be now. One of my favourite seasons watching Town, despite being in the bottom division. I missed Sir Mick's team because of dad being a squaddie so that season partially made up for it. The fact there were so many home-grown in the team made the success even better IMO |
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Post by mosher on Jan 25, 2024 13:11:09 GMT 1
Nothing tops 2003-04 for me. That team nor the manager are ever shown any respect for doing what they did. Didn't just get promoted, they rescued the club completely. Jacko and Taff dragged us kicking and screaming out of that division. If we hadn't have gone straight back up, I dread to think where we'd be now. We had a bit of luck that day in Cardiff...I think the Mansfield goal should have stood We were ALL looking at the linesman when that went in. And couldn't believe he flagged, we were all convinced it was going to stand. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 25, 2024 13:16:14 GMT 1
There is no positive at all to being relegated.
It would be catastrophic.
Yeah we’ve all some memories of some great days but they are only great days because we were winning a fair few. When you are losing in the bottom 2 divisions it’s really feels rock bottom.
December 2003. 4-0 v Macclesfield. The ultimate low.
We need to be a consistent top 30 club, which is exactly where we should be. Anything less is not good enough.
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 25, 2024 13:17:15 GMT 1
We had a bit of luck that day in Cardiff...I think the Mansfield goal should have stood We were ALL looking at the linesman when that went in. And couldn't believe he flagged, we were all convinced it was going to stand. My godfather started kicking fuck out of his seat, even after it had been disallowed, a copper had to tap him on the shoulder and inform him that the linesman had flagged 😂 Whenever I think about, or talk about that season, that team and that manager, I well up. It meant and still means so much to me. That was the season that got me completely hooked. I remember Macari and Wadsworth but my memories really kick in during the Machin era, so Jacko's time was the first time I ever saw us doing well. Even now if I see Jacko, I thank him for everything he did back then. |
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Post by mosher on Jan 25, 2024 13:18:59 GMT 1
We were ALL looking at the linesman when that went in. And couldn't believe he flagged, we were all convinced it was going to stand. My godfather started kicking fuck out of his seat, even after it had been disallowed, a copper had to tap him on the shoulder and inform him that the linesman had flagged 😂 Whenever I think about, or talk about that season, that team and that manager, I well up. It meant and still means so much to me. That was the season that got me completely hooked. I remember Macari and Wadsworth but my memories really kick in during the Machin era, so Jacko's time was the first time I ever saw us doing well. Even now if I see Jacko, I thank him for everything he did back then. Even when I watch the dvd of that season (Young Guns?) I STILL expect the fucker not to flag  |
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Post by sabailand on Jan 25, 2024 19:12:35 GMT 1
There is no positive at all to being relegated.It would be catastrophic. Yeah we’ve all some memories of some great days but they are only great days because we were winning a fair few. When you are losing in the bottom 2 divisions it’s really feels rock bottom. December 2003. 4-0 v Macclesfield. The ultimate low. We need to be a consistent top 30 club, which is exactly where we should be. Anything less is not good enough. Agree and read more than once on here about how going down would give the club a chance to reset etc  , bearing in mind a season after flirting with relegation you could have a tilt at promotion (happened to us not long ago) i find stuff like being able to 'reset' utter bollocks. |
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Post by dooky82 on Jan 26, 2024 0:48:37 GMT 1
Winning games is what any football fan wants to see, it doesn't matter what level it's at. The last few years on the whole has been terrible. If we go down we go down we stand a chance of having a go at coming straight back up or at least challenging for a few seasons and winning a fair share of games. Whilst I never want us to lose so could never want to get relegated, I can certainly see some positives, especially if the alternative is finishing 4th from bottom in the Championship every season. Tbf my favourite season for away trips was the league 2 promotion campaign under Jacko.
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Post by Melc on Jan 26, 2024 7:22:03 GMT 1
Fair point. Obviously we all want to playing as high as we can. But the matchdays away for me have been better in the bottom 2 divisions. Home, attendances lower, but atmosphere not that bad apart from the Wadsworth era. I’m an old fart now (have been for some time and some would say for several decades) and my one piece of advice to young Town fans is to take each season as it comes, no matter which division Town are in and don’t worry about those in the future or the past. In my 54/55 seasons, and like many others on here no doubt, I’ve seen Town in all 4 divisions, twice, both at Leeds Road and the current stadium. “Violently inconsistent; you’ll never sing that!”. I can’t think of many clubs which provide such starkly different fortunes (Burnley, Wolves and Sheffield United spring to mind but they are amateurs in comparison and have kept the same stadium). Despite many rubbish teams and periods, it’s allowed me to see Town in 120+ grounds and I feel as equally at home at Leyton Orient, Gillingham or Carlisle as I do at Old Trafford, Goodison or White Hart Lane. 79/80 and 03/04 in the basement were emphatically better experiences than our last season in the top flight and much of the other 3 since 1969 too. There were horrible seasons like 87/88 and most of the 70s (which were forebodingly dark in a way that simply doesn’t compare to any poor period since) and stretches of mind numbingly boring seasons of finishing 10th in the third tier. Successful relegation battles are far superior to those seasons. I will be hugely disappointed if we are relegated, and I don’t see it as a good thing in any way at all (it is a dangerous myth to think that it is a “reset”, it is failure) but you get over it and support them in the next seasonal adventure. UTFT. Like you I followed that journey albeit a little earlier, and that spell dropping down into the lower divisions for the first time in our history was the worst I remember. The championship is a great level to watch football, just a pity the Premiership with all the money has distorted the playing field. League one is not for me, so I just hope we can pull away from the bottom three starting on Sunday. |
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Post by ram on Jan 26, 2024 12:08:14 GMT 1
Going down with the wage bill we have currently,would be financial suicide,I doubt there are any relegation wage reductions to contracts in existence.
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Post by royrace on Jan 26, 2024 13:33:13 GMT 1
There is no positive at all to being relegated.It would be catastrophic. Yeah we’ve all some memories of some great days but they are only great days because we were winning a fair few. When you are losing in the bottom 2 divisions it’s really feels rock bottom. December 2003. 4-0 v Macclesfield. The ultimate low. We need to be a consistent top 30 club, which is exactly where we should be. Anything less is not good enough. Agree and read more than once on here about how going down would give the club a chance to reset etc , bearing in mind a season after flirting with relegation you could have a tilt at promotion (happened to us not long ago) i find stuff like being able to 'reset' utter bollocks. I remember naively hoping for that reset last time! Like you say, utter bollocks! |
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Post by dooky82 on Jan 26, 2024 13:37:49 GMT 1
Going down with the wage bill we have currently,would be financial suicide,I doubt there are any relegation wage reductions to contracts in existence. Surely not a problem unique to us. In fact our wage bill is one of the smaller in the league (only Rotherham smaller I think). Sheffield United managed, Barnsley managed, Ipswich managed, Rotherham etc etc |
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, bearing in mind a season after flirting with relegation you could have a tilt at promotion (happened to us not long ago) i find stuff like being able to 'reset' utter bollocks.