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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Jan 26, 2024 21:12:18 GMT 1
Interesting story coming out of Belgium today, the Anderlecht v Genk match from December (which Anderlecht won 2-1) will be replayed in full after Genk successfully argued that the laws of the game were misapplied by the VAR officials in disallowing a penalty rebound goal for encroachment. www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/39394683/anderlecht-genk-match-replayed-full-var-errorThe rebound was disallowed due to encroachment by a Genk player, but as Anderlecht players were encroaching the penalty should've been retaken. Instead, the officials only penalised the Genk encroachment by awarding an indirect free kick to Anderlecht. Anderlecht went on to win the game 2-1 in stoppage time. Can you imagine this happening in the Premier League? |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Jan 26, 2024 21:15:27 GMT 1
Would depend on whether a top six team were involved or not
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 26, 2024 21:16:51 GMT 1
The bin dippers will be all over this |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 26, 2024 21:21:06 GMT 1
That's opened a can of worms now then.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 26, 2024 21:24:24 GMT 1
There’s encroachment by both sides on literally every penalty.
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Post by markthehorn on Jan 26, 2024 21:32:55 GMT 1
They can only do this for factual errors surely ?
Subjective decisions are just that .
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 26, 2024 22:01:00 GMT 1
There’s encroachment by both sides on literally every penalty. |
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Post by houllierspal on Jan 26, 2024 22:48:17 GMT 1
Does that mean the playoff final can be replayed? Obviously not, but had it been the other way round, well…..
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jan 26, 2024 23:04:01 GMT 1
Would depend on whether a top six team were involved or not Depends whether one of the top six sides were losing 😉 |
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Post by DATM Travel Agent on Jan 26, 2024 23:05:34 GMT 1
They can only do this for factual errors surely ? Subjective decisions are just that . I don't think this was a subjective decision. The goal was disallowed and indirect free kick given to Anderlecht because the officials deemed a Genk player to have encroached. Genk argued that a couple of Anderlecht players were also encroaching and presumably proved this in the footage. The laws of the game state that if players from both sides have encroached, the penalty should be retaken. Therefore it's an objective decision because there was factual evidence of one thing happening but the laws of the game were incorrectly applied by the officials. Perhaps an extreme example, but consider the possibility that a defender heads the ball back to his goalkeeper and the referee gives an indirect free kick to the attacking team for a "backpass". The attacking team scores from the indirect free kick. In such a scenario, the laws of the game have been applied incorrectly which has led to a game changing event (a goal) occurring which shouldn't have done. |
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Post by markthehorn on Jan 26, 2024 23:07:06 GMT 1
They can only do this for factual errors surely ? Subjective decisions are just that . I don't think this was a subjective decision. The goal was disallowed and indirect free kick given to Anderlecht because the officials deemed a Genk player to have encroached. Genk argued that a couple of Anderlecht players were also encroaching and presumably proved this in the footage. The laws of the game state that if players from both sides have encroached, the penalty should be retaken. Therefore it's an objective decision because there was factual evidence of one thing happening but the laws of the game were incorrectly applied by the officials. Yes agree- was talking generally. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 27, 2024 0:49:27 GMT 1
Even though we stayed up... Blackpool at home should be replayed for the FACT that technology failed.
Clear joke....
But if that was to happen again, as it has twice if you consider Sheff V Villa a few years back too.
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Post by typical on Jan 27, 2024 11:49:34 GMT 1
Interesting story coming out of Belgium today, the Anderlecht v Genk match from December (which Anderlecht won 2-1) will be replayed in full after Genk successfully argued that the laws of the game were misapplied by the VAR officials in disallowing a penalty rebound goal for encroachment. www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/39394683/anderlecht-genk-match-replayed-full-var-errorThe rebound was disallowed due to encroachment by a Genk player, but as Anderlecht players were encroaching the penalty should've been retaken. Instead, the officials only penalised the Genk encroachment by awarding an indirect free kick to Anderlecht. Anderlecht went on to win the game 2-1 in stoppage time. Can you imagine this happening in the Premier League? Found this very interesting, from a legal perspective teams and their lawyers could now use this as precedent. Really opened things up now, interested to see if it ever does get referenced over here. |
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Post by softboy on Jan 27, 2024 12:37:39 GMT 1
If everytime VAR gets it wrong they are basically saying the game will be replayed so expect their season to go on for a long time. Each club will now be employing a VAR reviewer who trawls through footage after every game looking to a VAR decision which will allow game to be played again (assuming they don’t win).
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jan 27, 2024 12:50:06 GMT 1
Yet another reason to bin VAR. It’s killing the game.
Perhaps one solution for the PL and major games might be to stick another 2 linesmen on the pitch, on each end behind the goal and keep the decisions live and on-pitch, maximum 10 second deliberation.
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Post by markthehorn on Jan 27, 2024 13:17:14 GMT 1
If everytime VAR gets it wrong they are basically saying the game will be replayed so expect their season to go on for a long time. Each club will now be employing a VAR reviewer who trawls through footage after every game looking to a VAR decision which will allow game to be played again (assuming they don’t win). As the tweet above says the decision was factually wrong in how the rules were applied Not just because they gave a decision differently to how some might have viewed it . Could never replay a game based on a subjective decision surely ? You could re play evey game then ! |
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Post by markthehorn on Jan 27, 2024 13:21:28 GMT 1
Yet another reason to bin VAR. It’s killing the game. Perhaps one solution for the PL and major games might be to stick another 2 linesmen on the pitch, on each end behind the goal and keep the decisions live and on-pitch, maximum 10 second deliberation. They tried that sort of thing before in European games and people didn’t like because again they didn’t understand what was going on. I don’t think you are ever going to stop poor decisions or inconsistency as football is so subjective and fans etc are never going to be satisfied with decisions made. |
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Post by impact on Jan 27, 2024 13:30:18 GMT 1
Interesting story coming out of Belgium today, the Anderlecht v Genk match from December (which Anderlecht won 2-1) will be replayed in full after Genk successfully argued that the laws of the game were misapplied by the VAR officials in disallowing a penalty rebound goal for encroachment. www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/39394683/anderlecht-genk-match-replayed-full-var-errorThe rebound was disallowed due to encroachment by a Genk player, but as Anderlecht players were encroaching the penalty should've been retaken. Instead, the officials only penalised the Genk encroachment by awarding an indirect free kick to Anderlecht. Anderlecht went on to win the game 2-1 in stoppage time. Can you imagine this happening in the Premier League? It's a very dangerous precedent. There have been plenty of times objective decisions have been wrong over here, eg Villa getting away and us getting screwed by goalline technology failing, or the VAR shambles between Liverpool and Spurs, or years back the ghost goal against Watford. They have all been accepted as errors. As soon as you replay one, you open it up to get demands for replays at every error. |
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Post by impact on Jan 27, 2024 13:33:19 GMT 1
Yet another reason to bin VAR. It’s killing the game. Perhaps one solution for the PL and major games might be to stick another 2 linesmen on the pitch, on each end behind the goal and keep the decisions live and on-pitch, maximum 10 second deliberation. They tried that sort of thing before in European games and people didn’t like because again they didn’t understand what was going on. I don’t think you are ever going to stop poor decisions or inconsistency as football is so subjective and fans etc are never going to be satisfied with decisions made. The one thing that has never been explained to me with that. Why did they put the extra officials on the same side as the linesmen? If you want an extra pair of eyes surely the logical thing is to out them further away? |
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