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Post by Ibiza Town on Feb 18, 2024 11:05:05 GMT 1
Watched the highlights back and Rufoni doesn't cover himself in glory, from hero to zero. Summed up JR really He can have a great game, and is certainly developing really well, but he does have moments when he resembles Shaggy from Scooby Doo |
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Post by scutcher on Feb 18, 2024 11:13:16 GMT 1
It means fast tracking an official so they can tick a box for the people insistent on being offended by everything Sounds like youāre the one offended, that a woman can be a referee. Let the women referee the women's game or let's go all the way and have some women in the teams! |
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Post by nicovaesen on Feb 18, 2024 11:24:58 GMT 1
Can someone tell oggy he dosent have to go mental when the opposition attacks let alone scores. When hull scored at the death youād have thought he was commentating for them. Iām still putting the living room back together as I type!
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Post by rockwall on Feb 18, 2024 11:29:05 GMT 1
Absolutely ridiculous that people are blaming something because it was a female ref.
Personally, apart from letting Hull time waste, she had an alright game.
Can't people just accept that we were naive after getting a late equaliser and shouldn't be throwing the game away.
Poor game management.
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Post by Wingman on Feb 18, 2024 11:36:06 GMT 1
No need for the sexism there at all. Both teams had the same ref to deal with. Hull seemingly played the ref better. Sexism my arse you thought police nutters its 2024 not some dystopian 1984 political correct bollocks Her ā performanceā did nothing to enhance the need or necessity for female referees in the menās professional game Rubbish. Itās also not 1954 and Alf Garnett commenting. Saying she would have ābeen better off in the canteenā isnāt on, itās about having respect. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 11:36:52 GMT 1
Absolutely ridiculous that people are blaming something because it was a female ref. Personally, apart from letting Hull time waste, she had an alright game. Can't people just accept that we were naive after getting a late equaliser and shouldn't be throwing the game away. Poor game management. Plenty of sexist views still around in life and football |
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Post by Wingman on Feb 18, 2024 11:38:48 GMT 1
No need for the sexism there at all. Both teams had the same ref to deal with. Hull seemingly played the ref better. I think the canteen reference was a joke but itās obviously not allowed in this shit world we now have to live in. The ref was female The ref was shit The ref is not fit to referee at this level Iām more aligned to this. If she wasnāt up to the job fine, if she was shit, she was shit, regardless of gender etc. Big difference in that to saying āshe was shit and would have been better off in the canteen.ā |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 18, 2024 11:49:31 GMT 1
Tough end to the game which we definitely didnāt deserve to lose
The second goal we lost our heads. From the kick off I think Kasumu gave away a needless free kick on the half way line with a push
That allowed hull to load our area and pump the ball into the box
If Kasumu keeps his head. Avoids a pointless foul on the half way line then hull donāt have the numbers in the box for the goal
Not going to grumble though as Kasumu has been great recently and all the lads put in a massive shift
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 11:58:22 GMT 1
I think the canteen reference was a joke but itās obviously not allowed in this shit world we now have to live in. The ref was female The ref was shit The ref is not fit to referee at this level Iām more aligned to this. If she wasnāt up to the job fine, if she was shit, she was shit, regardless of gender etc. Big difference in that to saying āshe was shit and would have been better off in the canteen.ā Yes itās the industrial alternative to the kitchen. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 11:59:10 GMT 1
Tough end to the game which we definitely didnāt deserve to lose The second goal we lost our heads. From the kick off I think Kasumu gave away a needless free kick on the half way line with a push That allowed hull to load our area and pump the ball into the box If Kasumu keeps his head. Avoids a pointless foul on the half way line then hull donāt have the numbers in the box for the goal Not going to grumble though as Kasumu has been great recently and all the lads put in a massive shift I think it was Rudoni. |
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 18, 2024 12:03:12 GMT 1
That old chestnut. I'm offended by her inability to manage the dark arts that were on show today. I didn't think she was that crap but her inexperience told and that is down to the fact that she hasn't refereed enough games to be tested at this level yet. She could have been an alien for all I care, zero issue with a woman refereeing in the mens game just don't fast track them up the leagues for some quota, let her earn her stripes alongside the other men/women/aliens. It wasnāt an āold chestnutā it was an observation. If you donāt want to be described as being offended, donāt choose a selection of words that make you sound offended. For what itās worth I agree with your wording there - not sure why itās necessary to talk about a woke army of idiots, it just demeans and antagonises the debate. She clearly was either too weak or inexperienced to address the blatant gamesmanship. It ruined the spectacle. Iād hope the club writes a complaint to the league because it wasnāt good enough and if she wants to have a good career being judged on her ability and not gender she needs to be able to handle a team like that. If that was a PL game sheād be crucified and trending on social media. I mentioned the woke mob because in my opinion that is the reasoning behind fast tracking a female official up the leagues, they are under pressure from certain area of society, one in which stifles debate a lot of the time by being offended. If they just encourage more female officials to take it up and put more effort into stopping the abuse they will inevitably rise to the top anyways. She didnāt really effect the outcome of the game at all it was just an awful spectacle in the first half because they were playing her like a fiddle |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2024 12:06:06 GMT 1
So you know their bloke was exactly 9.15m away then, or were you speculating š No speculation at all, I could SEE the player was OVER 9.15m from the corner, the 10yrd markings make it easy to judge. As could the ref, and she told Sorba to continue, twice. He didn't (Ilson said 10m, the Laws say 10yds or 9.15m) Not withstanding the ref's performance for the rest of the game, in this instance, Sorba was booked for his over-reaction to her decision. No speculation, no whataboutery. Clear yellow. She could clearly see from 30 yards away š¤ |
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Post by stinkypete on Feb 18, 2024 12:28:15 GMT 1
Feel like a lot of these comments are very harsh. First half was poor but partly due to tiredness and also credit to Hull who nullified us. Still an improvement on Mooreās time. I sit behind the goal in the family stand and we battered them second half. We camped in their half and was like a game of attackers v defenders - yes quality could have been better but to dominate v a decent (albeit cheating) team is a positive sign and big turnaround in a few weeks to push a team back rather than being on the back foot all the time. Balker looks tremendous - pace, strength, reading of the game and can ping a pass too. Him, Spencer and Helik in a back 4 together is very exciting. A quality fox in the box yesterday probably makes some of the crosses look better. Personally I really like Thomas on the left - so dangerous going inside and outside and will help him add goals to his game. Del was electric when came on. I think Kasuma is now ready to be a regular starter in centre mid - looks more composed now and has great drive and energy. However the comments about Hoggy are so disrespectful - yes he had a below average game but he was excellent v Sheff W a couple of weeks ago so hardly finished at this level. Still very fit and although time is catching up on him - still a decent player and great leader to have in the squad. Decent squad - looking forward to AB getting hold of them and seeing what he can do. 7/8 players in our squad that most championship teams would be happy to have - more than good enough to stay up and with 2/3 additions next season (mainly in CM) and we will be very strong. UTT Theyāre not harsh itās facts. Hogg is way off the pace now at this level and if the new boss wants āfull throttleā football heās going to struggle. He slows everything down when weāre in possession and often gets caught in possession. Been a great servant for the club but heās at his natural end with us. |
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Post by irverino on Feb 18, 2024 12:31:30 GMT 1
Yesterday reminded me a bit of the Boro game coming 3 days after an excellent home win & clean sheet we come out looking flat & ready to concede sloppy goals. Hull like Boro turned up a few days after struggling away at Rotherham & most likely expecting a much harder game at JS.
Gifted goals at corners need looking at asap costing us in both home defeats.....AB era starts now. UTT.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2024 12:36:16 GMT 1
Watched the highlights back and Rufoni doesn't cover himself in glory, from hero to zero. Greaves won everything in the air in both boxes, why didn't we have a CB marking him š¤· |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 18, 2024 12:38:01 GMT 1
Feel like a lot of these comments are very harsh. First half was poor but partly due to tiredness and also credit to Hull who nullified us. Still an improvement on Mooreās time. I sit behind the goal in the family stand and we battered them second half. We camped in their half and was like a game of attackers v defenders - yes quality could have been better but to dominate v a decent (albeit cheating) team is a positive sign and big turnaround in a few weeks to push a team back rather than being on the back foot all the time. Balker looks tremendous - pace, strength, reading of the game and can ping a pass too. Him, Spencer and Helik in a back 4 together is very exciting. A quality fox in the box yesterday probably makes some of the crosses look better. Personally I really like Thomas on the left - so dangerous going inside and outside and will help him add goals to his game. Del was electric when came on. I think Kasuma is now ready to be a regular starter in centre mid - looks more composed now and has great drive and energy. However the comments about Hoggy are so disrespectful - yes he had a below average game but he was excellent v Sheff W a couple of weeks ago so hardly finished at this level. Still very fit and although time is catching up on him - still a decent player and great leader to have in the squad. Decent squad - looking forward to AB getting hold of them and seeing what he can do. 7/8 players in our squad that most championship teams would be happy to have - more than good enough to stay up and with 2/3 additions next season (mainly in CM) and we will be very strong. UTT Theyāre not harsh itās facts. Hogg is way off the pace now at this level and if the new boss wants āfull throttleā football heās going to struggle. He slows everything down when weāre in possession and often gets caught in possession. Been a great servant for the club but heās at his natural end with us. Agree to disagreeā¦.and a bold statement to say they are āfactsā - all about opinions. Obviously at his age he is in the latter stages of his playing career - not saying he should be a regular starter anymore but the criticism every time he has a poor game is way over the top imo. I do think midfield is the area we need to strengthen most next season though - both in terms of starters and depth. Assuming we keep Del and that Healey and or Bojan come good, then if I could sign 3 players it would be a centre midfielder, and attacking centre midfielder and a left footed winger. |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 18, 2024 12:38:24 GMT 1
Feel like a lot of these comments are very harsh. First half was poor but partly due to tiredness and also credit to Hull who nullified us. Still an improvement on Mooreās time. I sit behind the goal in the family stand and we battered them second half. We camped in their half and was like a game of attackers v defenders - yes quality could have been better but to dominate v a decent (albeit cheating) team is a positive sign and big turnaround in a few weeks to push a team back rather than being on the back foot all the time. Balker looks tremendous - pace, strength, reading of the game and can ping a pass too. Him, Spencer and Helik in a back 4 together is very exciting. A quality fox in the box yesterday probably makes some of the crosses look better. Personally I really like Thomas on the left - so dangerous going inside and outside and will help him add goals to his game. Del was electric when came on. I think Kasuma is now ready to be a regular starter in centre mid - looks more composed now and has great drive and energy. However the comments about Hoggy are so disrespectful - yes he had a below average game but he was excellent v Sheff W a couple of weeks ago so hardly finished at this level. Still very fit and although time is catching up on him - still a decent player and great leader to have in the squad. Decent squad - looking forward to AB getting hold of them and seeing what he can do. 7/8 players in our squad that most championship teams would be happy to have - more than good enough to stay up and with 2/3 additions next season (mainly in CM) and we will be very strong. UTT Theyāre not harsh itās facts. Hogg is way off the pace now at this level and if the new boss wants āfull throttleā football heās going to struggle. He slows everything down when weāre in possession and often gets caught in possession. Been a great servant for the club but heās at his natural end with us. Agree with this and donāt think itās disrespectful to Hogg that as he nears the end of his career we play to his strengths. He needs bringing on to see out a win, use his experience and organise our shape. He is too often caught on the ball and is hampering our ability to break quickly at the moment. |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 18, 2024 12:44:05 GMT 1
I just think people are too quick to blame the less fashionable players when we lose. For where we want to be, maybe Pearson, Lees and Hogg are not regular starters anymore, but are great pros and squad players.
All this chat of being past it - yes they gave the ball away yesterday a fair bit but defensively we didnāt concede from open play and we had 16 attempts at goal and 11 corners against a good side.
This suggests in general the defensive players defended well and that we got the ball forward quick enough to have so much possession and attacking situations - we just lacked a bit of quality and luck in the final third yesterday.
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Post by griffa on Feb 18, 2024 12:45:04 GMT 1
No speculation at all, I could SEE the player was OVER 9.15m from the corner, the 10yrd markings make it easy to judge. As could the ref, and she told Sorba to continue, twice. He didn't (Ilson said 10m, the Laws say 10yds or 9.15m) Not withstanding the ref's performance for the rest of the game, in this instance, Sorba was booked for his over-reaction to her decision. No speculation, no whataboutery. Clear yellow. She could clearly see from 30 yards away š¤ Watched Rebecca Welch referee a Premier League match at Fulham, in which she performed well. Yesterday she was very poor, allowing Hull City's goalkeeper to constantly waste time, & players to feign injury, thereby slowing the game down. Her 2nd half performance was better, she did however continue to award free kicks to Hull, when their players went to ground. The late foul on Tom Lees, could have resulted in a red card, but Rebecca awarded a yellow card, instead. Rebecca Welch must also learn that referring at distance i.e. 25/30 metres isn't good, booking Sorba was questionable, when compared to not booking Allsop for blatant time wasting - UTT. |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Feb 18, 2024 12:51:51 GMT 1
So you know their bloke was exactly 9.15m away then, or were you speculating š No speculation at all, I could SEE the player was OVER 9.15m from the corner, the 10yrd markings make it easy to judge. As could the ref, and she told Sorba to continue, twice. He didn't (Ilson said 10m, the Laws say 10yds or 9.15m) Not withstanding the ref's performance for the rest of the game, in this instance, Sorba was booked for his over-reaction to her decision. No speculation, no whataboutery. Clear yellow. Ok, so I got my metres and yards mixed up  - the point I was trying to make was that she was quick to book Thomas (rightly or wrongly), but then allowed the goalkeeper to get away with chronic timewasting, warning him on more than one occasion but then not following it up with a yellow card. Throw ins at the moment seem to be a joke but how both her and the linesman missed the foul throw in in front of the dug outs was unbelievable. |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Feb 18, 2024 12:53:47 GMT 1
She could clearly see from 30 yards away š¤ Watched Rebecca Welch referee a Premier League match at Fulham, in which she performed well. Yesterday she was very poor, allowing Hull City's goalkeeper to constantly waste time, & players to feign injury, thereby slowing the game down. Her 2nd half performance was better, she did however continue to award free kicks to Hull, when their players went to ground. The late foul on Tom Lees, could have resulted in a red card, but Rebecca awarded a yellow card, instead. Rebecca Welch must also learn that referring at distance i.e. 25/30 metres isn't good, booking Sorba was questionable, when compared to not booking Allsop for blatant time wasting - UTT. She's refereed two games at Derby this season. T'other half says she's been the best and the worst referee they've had at Pride Park so far. Which version did we get I wonder? |
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Post by bogart on Feb 18, 2024 12:55:30 GMT 1
Easy because the standard of officiated is dire. Wednesday night was another good example or should I say bad example.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 18, 2024 13:07:37 GMT 1
I just think people are too quick to blame the less fashionable players when we lose. For where we want to be, maybe Pearson, Lees and Hogg are not regular starters anymore, but are great pros and squad players. All this chat of being past it - yes they gave the ball away yesterday a fair bit but defensively we didnāt concede from open play and we had 16 attempts at goal and 11 corners against a good side. This suggests in general the defensive players defended well and that we got the ball forward quick enough to have so much possession and attacking situations - we just lacked a bit of quality and luck in the final third yesterday. We conceded two goals from open play yesterday didnāt we? |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 18, 2024 13:13:39 GMT 1
She could clearly see from 30 yards away š¤ Watched Rebecca Welch referee a Premier League match at Fulham, in which she performed well. Yesterday she was very poor, allowing Hull City's goalkeeper to constantly waste time, & players to feign injury, thereby slowing the game down. Her 2nd half performance was better, she did however continue to award free kicks to Hull, when their players went to ground. The late foul on Tom Lees, could have resulted in a red card, but Rebecca awarded a yellow card, instead. Rebecca Welch must also learn that referring at distance i.e. 25/30 metres isn't good, booking Sorba was questionable, when compared to not booking Allsop for blatant time wasting - UTT. Sorba deserved a booking for not shutting up and carrying on but when Allsop wasted that much time it's ridiculous Sorba and Rudoni got booked for much smaller amounts of dissent |
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Post by Tiro on Feb 18, 2024 13:13:59 GMT 1
Iām sorry to prolong the debate, but the shite I heard around me both during and after the game would not have happened if the ref had have been male.
āItās a manāsā game argued/shouted one prick, whilst sat with his young daughter. Women can watch the game, but they canāt comment on it, analyse it or control it. That is ādraconianā as someone on here argued it wasnāt.
The game that we watch may be played exclusively by men, but the sport and all its subsidiary functions are open to females who are just as capable.
Thatās not āpolitical correctnessā. Itās not the world gone mad. Itās not lefty, loony, nonsense. Itās equality, simple. And the reason women donāt play the menās game is because of physical / biological inequality.
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 18, 2024 13:18:58 GMT 1
Iām sorry to prolong the debate, but the shite I heard around me both during and after the game would not have happened if the ref had have been male. āItās a manāsā game argued/shouted one prick, whilst sat with his young daughter. Women can watch the game, but they canāt comment on it, analyse it or control it. That is ādraconianā as someone on here argued it wasnāt. The game that we watch may be played exclusively by men, but the sport and all its subsidiary functions are open to females who are just as capable. Thatās not āpolitical correctnessā. Itās not the world gone mad. Itās not lefty, loony, nonsense. Itās equality, simple. And the reason women donāt play the menās game is because of physical / biological inequality. It's only a small minority who have been big enough dicks to put down her poor performance to her gender. Women refs are perfectly capable but this was just a poor performance with absolutely no consistency in who she gave cards to and Hull just exploited her being wistle happy. The vast majority of people have just labeled it a poor performance and given her no different treatment than if a man reffed the game that poorly |
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Post by sabailand on Feb 18, 2024 13:19:26 GMT 1
I just think people are too quick to blame less fashionable players when we lose. For where we want to be, maybe Pearson, Lees and Hogg are not regular starters anymore, but are great pros and squad players. All this chat of being past it - yes they gave the ball away yesterday a fair bit but defensively we didnāt concede from open play and we had 16 attempts at goal and 11 corners against a good side. This suggests in general the defensive players defended well and that we got the ball forward quick enough to have so much possession and attacking situations - we just lacked a bit of quality and luck in the final third yesterday. Agree, its always been the case, Perason Lees and Hogg have been fantasic servents for town at minimal cost, similarly Ollie Turton really had to win over the fans and we've missed him, same with Josh Ruffels, both low key signings that didnt get people exited but have generally done well when called upon, Ruffels under Warnock was vital cog in our escape from relegation last season. |
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Post by Tiro on Feb 18, 2024 13:40:22 GMT 1
Iām sorry to prolong the debate, but the shite I heard around me both during and after the game would not have happened if the ref had have been male. āItās a manāsā game argued/shouted one prick, whilst sat with his young daughter. Women can watch the game, but they canāt comment on it, analyse it or control it. That is ādraconianā as someone on here argued it wasnāt. The game that we watch may be played exclusively by men, but the sport and all its subsidiary functions are open to females who are just as capable. Thatās not āpolitical correctnessā. Itās not the world gone mad. Itās not lefty, loony, nonsense. Itās equality, simple. And the reason women donāt play the menās game is because of physical / biological inequality. It's only a small minority who have been big enough dicks to put down her poor performance to her gender. Women refs are perfectly capable but this was just a poor performance with absolutely no consistency in who she gave cards to and Hull just exploited her being wistle happy. The vast majority of people have just labeled it a poor performance and given her no different treatment than if a man reffed the game that poorly Iāll be honest, it didnāt seem a small majority around me yesterday. It seemed to be the biggest issue yesterday. |
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Post by Manx Terrier on Feb 18, 2024 13:42:11 GMT 1
It wasnāt an āold chestnutā it was an observation. If you donāt want to be described as being offended, donāt choose a selection of words that make you sound offended. For what itās worth I agree with your wording there - not sure why itās necessary to talk about a woke army of idiots, it just demeans and antagonises the debate. She clearly was either too weak or inexperienced to address the blatant gamesmanship. It ruined the spectacle. Iād hope the club writes a complaint to the league because it wasnāt good enough and if she wants to have a good career being judged on her ability and not gender she needs to be able to handle a team like that. If that was a PL game sheād be crucified and trending on social media. I mentioned the woke mob because in my opinion that is the reasoning behind fast tracking a female official up the leagues, they are under pressure from certain area of society, one in which stifles debate a lot of the time by being offended. If they just encourage more female officials to take it up and put more effort into stopping the abuse they will inevitably rise to the top anyways. She didnāt really effect the outcome of the game at all it was just an awful spectacle in the first half because they were playing her like a fiddle I feel anyone should be able to freely criticise a ref's performance without comment on gender or race, which has nothing to do with it. |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 18, 2024 13:52:23 GMT 1
I just think people are too quick to blame the less fashionable players when we lose. For where we want to be, maybe Pearson, Lees and Hogg are not regular starters anymore, but are great pros and squad players. All this chat of being past it - yes they gave the ball away yesterday a fair bit but defensively we didnāt concede from open play and we had 16 attempts at goal and 11 corners against a good side. This suggests in general the defensive players defended well and that we got the ball forward quick enough to have so much possession and attacking situations - we just lacked a bit of quality and luck in the final third yesterday. We conceded two goals from open play yesterday didnāt we? No - one from a corner and one from a free kickā¦hence why their centre half scored both. |
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- the point I was trying to make was that she was quick to book Thomas (rightly or wrongly), but then allowed the goalkeeper to get away with chronic timewasting, warning him on more than one occasion but then not following it up with a yellow card. 
