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Post by sabailand on Feb 18, 2024 13:53:47 GMT 1
It was always going to be the case yesterday in that if Town lost the ref would get some blame for it, unfortunate but its a fact, all season long we get refs who make bad decisions, she made a few yasterday but which ref dosnt, i cant think of any.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 18, 2024 13:59:04 GMT 1
Aye ref was poor yesterday, but no poorer than many other refs we have had.
Some of the gender specific abuse at the ground yesterday (often from grown men) was cringe at best - and that was in the family stand
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 18, 2024 13:59:58 GMT 1
It was always going to be the case yesterday in that if Town lost the ref would get some blame for it, unfortunate but its a fact, all season long we get refs who make bad decisions, she made a few yasterday but which ref dosnt, i cant think of any. Every time we lose it's because of the ref. Unless the manager is unpopular, then it's because of the manager. We got relegated because of refs, we didn't get promoted because of refs. |
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Post by andyboothscat on Feb 18, 2024 14:00:41 GMT 1
Aye ref was poor yesterday, but no poorer than many other refs we have had. Some of the gender specific abuse at the ground yesterday (often from grown men) was cringe at best - and that was in the family stand Exactly. She wasn’t even the poorest ref we’d had this week. |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 18, 2024 14:15:38 GMT 1
Aye ref was poor yesterday, but no poorer than many other refs we have had. Some of the gender specific abuse at the ground yesterday (often from grown men) was cringe at best - and that was in the family stand Exactly. She wasn’t even the poorest ref we’d had this week. Think most criticism is about the fastracking because she is a woman. If she had progressed on merit not because of her gender not an issue. Fastracking by the way not available to ex players from the men’s game. Did her lack of experience affect the game yesterday? Yes. Was she reffing yesterday at that level because she was a woman ticking a box? Yes. Both these things have no place in sport. |
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Post by irverino on Feb 18, 2024 14:33:16 GMT 1
Exactly. She wasn’t even the poorest ref we’d had this week. Think most criticism is about the fastracking because she is a woman. If she had progressed on merit not because of her gender not an issue. Fastracking by the way not available to ex players from the men’s game. Did her lack of experience affect the game yesterday? Yes. Was she reffing yesterday at that level because she was a woman ticking a box? Yes. Both these things have no place in sport. When Welch, Allison & Gill all started refereeing they probably wanted to climb the ladder the same as every other referee......EFL/FA make them a special project, imagine turning them down would see you on the slide, no win situation. |
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Post by impact on Feb 18, 2024 14:34:28 GMT 1
It was always going to be the case yesterday in that if Town lost the ref would get some blame for it, unfortunate but its a fact, all season long we get refs who make bad decisions, she made a few yasterday but which ref dosnt, i cant think of any. Every time we lose it's because of the ref. Unless the manager is unpopular, then it's because of the manager. We got relegated because of refs, we didn't get promoted because of refs. Is it bollocks. Keep posting antagonising shite if it helps you feel better though. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 18, 2024 14:42:47 GMT 1
Every time we lose it's because of the ref. Unless the manager is unpopular, then it's because of the manager. We got relegated because of refs, we didn't get promoted because of refs. Is it bollocks. Keep posting antagonising shite if it helps you feel better though. It's not shite though is it? Have you been asleep since the play off final - that game that Jon Moss and Toerney made us lose? Not that we didn't actually have a shot on target, or play anywhere near our standards that season. Or any thread about Darren Moore, we win it was the players, we draw or lose it was the manager. |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 18, 2024 14:59:01 GMT 1
I mentioned the woke mob because in my opinion that is the reasoning behind fast tracking a female official up the leagues, they are under pressure from certain area of society, one in which stifles debate a lot of the time by being offended. If they just encourage more female officials to take it up and put more effort into stopping the abuse they will inevitably rise to the top anyways. She didn’t really effect the outcome of the game at all it was just an awful spectacle in the first half because they were playing her like a fiddle I feel anyone should be able to freely criticise a ref's performance without comment on gender or race, which has nothing to do with it. Any ref deserves the same treatment and to be judged on performance alone. To not criticise her performance because of her gender is almost as bad as doing so because of her gender |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 18, 2024 15:08:53 GMT 1
Every time we lose it's because of the ref. Unless the manager is unpopular, then it's because of the manager. We got relegated because of refs, we didn't get promoted because of refs. Is it bollocks. Keep posting antagonising shite if it helps you feel better though. Just being truthful. Keep having a go at me if helps you feel better though. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 18, 2024 15:09:25 GMT 1
Is it bollocks. Keep posting antagonising shite if it helps you feel better though. It's not shite though is it? Have you been asleep since the play off final - that game that Jon Moss and Toerney made us lose? Not that we didn't actually have a shot on target, or play anywhere near our standards that season. Or any thread about Darren Moore, we win it was the players, we draw or lose it was the manager. You antagonistic shit. |
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Post by impact on Feb 18, 2024 15:11:17 GMT 1
Is it bollocks. Keep posting antagonising shite if it helps you feel better though. It's not shite though is it? Have you been asleep since the play off final - that game that Jon Moss and Toerney made us lose? Not that we didn't actually have a shot on target, or play anywhere near our standards that season. Or any thread about Darren Moore, we win it was the players, we draw or lose it was the manager. If you seriously think the officials didn't lose us the play off final you're on cloud cuckoo land. Forest had just as few chances and scored from as shanked own goal. The only attempt they had inside our box was a set piece. We had 2 clear penalties not given. That cost us the game. How many people have said the ref was the reason we lost yesterday? Very few. A lot have rightly said she was absolutely terrible. But every single time you criticise a ref you get "it wasn't the refs fault we lost" bollocks. It's tiresome. |
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Post by henryc on Feb 18, 2024 15:15:39 GMT 1
I thought the ref had a poor game, felt like she was buying everything they had to offer with their pathetic play acting.
That being said I’d seen Roseniors prematch press conference calling for protection from our “bullying” tactics, so I was already watching for it.
Either way what he said was an attempt to influence on field decisions and we should have come out publicly against this before the game.
Hopefully after watching the game back she’ll learn from this as it seemed to effect her, all be it probably on a subconscious level to be fair.
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Post by atowninessex on Feb 18, 2024 15:17:17 GMT 1
It wasn’t the ref that lost us the game though she made a rod for
Own back with the early bookings and letting hull get away
With murder in terms of time wasting , hope the new manager sees something in bojan as we desperately need a focal point ,
Thought we played ok and was so much better than watching a darren Moore setup , should of had at least a point for the effort
But not too many clear cut chances
Anyway see what Watford next Saturday brings and then the Tosser’s from up the road 2/points out of them would be good anything better amazing
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 18, 2024 15:18:36 GMT 1
It's not shite though is it? Have you been asleep since the play off final - that game that Jon Moss and Toerney made us lose? Not that we didn't actually have a shot on target, or play anywhere near our standards that season. Or any thread about Darren Moore, we win it was the players, we draw or lose it was the manager. If you seriously think the officials didn't lose us the play off final you're on cloud cuckoo land. Forest had just as few chances and scored from as shanked own goal. The only attempt they had inside our box was a set piece. We had 2 clear penalties not given. That cost us the game. How many people have said the ref was the reason we lost yesterday? Very few. A lot have rightly said she was absolutely terrible. But every single time you criticise a ref you get "it wasn't the refs fault we lost" bollocks. It's tiresome. How many attempts did we have on goal that day? |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 18, 2024 15:28:54 GMT 1
No-one ever mentions the offside in the build to the free kick that led to Peterborough's first goal in the 2011 final. The consensus is that Clark bottled it.
Whereas the 2022 final, we lost because of the ref.
In 2019, we got relegated because of a red card against Brighton and various other refereeing decisions. But only when Wagner was here, as soon as he left we were losing games because Siewert was shite.
Then in 2022, the West Brom 2-2. We didn't chuck away a two-goal lead, we were cheated by the ref as Corberan was the manager.
Later in 2022, we had a legitimate goal denied because of technology and it cost us points, but hardly anyone was bothered because Schofield was shite.
In Fotheringham's time, we never lost any games because of refs, it was because he was shite. Same with Moore, any game we won, it was down to the players.
I just find it interesting how excuses are made when things happen under popular managers, whereas under unpopular managers, it's just because they're shite.
If you speak to fans of any club, they'll tell you they only get shit refs and they never get any decisions. It's football.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 18, 2024 15:31:28 GMT 1
It's not shite though is it? Have you been asleep since the play off final - that game that Jon Moss and Toerney made us lose? Not that we didn't actually have a shot on target, or play anywhere near our standards that season. Or any thread about Darren Moore, we win it was the players, we draw or lose it was the manager. If you seriously think the officials didn't lose us the play off final you're on cloud cuckoo land. Forest had just as few chances and scored from as shanked own goal. The only attempt they had inside our box was a set piece. We had 2 clear penalties not given. That cost us the game. How many people have said the ref was the reason we lost yesterday? Very few. A lot have rightly said she was absolutely terrible. But every single time you criticise a ref you get "it wasn't the refs fault we lost" bollocks. It's tiresome. But they still put the ball in the net more times than us. But it isn't the refs fault we lost. Does the referee defend set pieces for us? Referees may make poor decisions. But yesterday's games defeat was nothing to do with the referee. She made poor decisions, but none that would have changed the result. |
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Post by impact on Feb 18, 2024 15:34:07 GMT 1
If you seriously think the officials didn't lose us the play off final you're on cloud cuckoo land. Forest had just as few chances and scored from as shanked own goal. The only attempt they had inside our box was a set piece. We had 2 clear penalties not given. That cost us the game. How many people have said the ref was the reason we lost yesterday? Very few. A lot have rightly said she was absolutely terrible. But every single time you criticise a ref you get "it wasn't the refs fault we lost" bollocks. It's tiresome. How many attempts did we have on goal that day? Exactly the same as Forest had that weren't their 2 speculative 30 yarders that were easily saved - zero. We should have had 2 from 12 yards out. It's hard to have attempts when they just take you out as you go in the box. When loads of neutral sources say that's the reason we lost, and the opposition celebrate clear penalties not being given, I think you're on the wrong side of this. |
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Post by impact on Feb 18, 2024 15:34:57 GMT 1
If you seriously think the officials didn't lose us the play off final you're on cloud cuckoo land. Forest had just as few chances and scored from as shanked own goal. The only attempt they had inside our box was a set piece. We had 2 clear penalties not given. That cost us the game. How many people have said the ref was the reason we lost yesterday? Very few. A lot have rightly said she was absolutely terrible. But every single time you criticise a ref you get "it wasn't the refs fault we lost" bollocks. It's tiresome. But they still put the ball in the net more times than us. But it isn't the refs fault we lost. Does the referee defend set pieces for us? Referees may make poor decisions. But yesterday's games defeat was nothing to do with the referee. She made poor decisions, but none that would have changed the result. Please show me exactly where I've said we would have won yesterday. Or show me where the majority have said that. What you 2 can't seem to get through your heads is that saying a ref was utter shit is not the same as saying they are the reason you lost. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Feb 18, 2024 15:36:34 GMT 1
No-one ever mentions the offside in the build to the free kick that led to Peterborough's first goal in the 2011 final. The consensus is that Clark bottled it. Whereas the 2022 final, we lost because of the ref. In 2019, we got relegated because of a red card against Brighton and various other refereeing decisions. But only when Wagner was here, as soon as he left we were losing games because Siewert was shite. Then in 2022, the West Brom 2-2. We didn't chuck away a two-goal lead, we were cheated by the ref as Corberan was the manager. Later in 2022, we had a legitimate goal denied because of technology and it cost us points, but hardly anyone was bothered because Schofield was shite. In Fotheringham's time, we never lost any games because of refs, it was because he was shite. Same with Moore, any game we won, it was down to the players. I just find it interesting how excuses are made when things happen under popular managers, whereas under unpopular managers, it's just because they're shite. If you speak to fans of any club, they'll tell you they only get shit refs and they never get any decisions. It's football. It’s good to moan a bit though isn’t it? |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2024 16:33:19 GMT 1
Exactly. She wasn’t even the poorest ref we’d had this week. Think most criticism is about the fastracking because she is a woman. If she had progressed on merit not because of her gender not an issue. Fastracking by the way not available to ex players from the men’s game. Did her lack of experience affect the game yesterday? Yes. Was she reffing yesterday at that level because she was a woman ticking a box? Yes. Both these things have no place in sport. That useless Australian twat got fast tracked and he's absolutely shite |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2024 16:34:57 GMT 1
It was always going to be the case yesterday in that if Town lost the ref would get some blame for it, unfortunate but its a fact, all season long we get refs who make bad decisions, she made a few yasterday but which ref dosnt, i cant think of any. Again, I haven't seen anyone blaming her for us losing, just folk pointing out how poor she was. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2024 16:46:30 GMT 1
If you seriously think the officials didn't lose us the play off final you're on cloud cuckoo land. Forest had just as few chances and scored from as shanked own goal. The only attempt they had inside our box was a set piece. We had 2 clear penalties not given. That cost us the game. How many people have said the ref was the reason we lost yesterday? Very few. A lot have rightly said she was absolutely terrible. But every single time you criticise a ref you get "it wasn't the refs fault we lost" bollocks. It's tiresome. But they still put the ball in the net more times than us. But it isn't the refs fault we lost. Does the referee defend set pieces for us? Referees may make poor decisions. But yesterday's games defeat was nothing to do with the referee. She made poor decisions, but none that would have changed the result. The poor decision to award them the free kick the winner came from ? |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Feb 18, 2024 16:50:20 GMT 1
Nothing at all to do with the Ref being a female and i haven't heard a single person blame the Ref for our defeat. The fact is, the Ref was woeful and like many more have said just one of many Refs we have had who were poor andin my book the Ref would only get 3/10 for yesterday.
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Feb 18, 2024 16:55:09 GMT 1
But they still put the ball in the net more times than us. But it isn't the refs fault we lost. Does the referee defend set pieces for us? Referees may make poor decisions. But yesterday's games defeat was nothing to do with the referee. She made poor decisions, but none that would have changed the result. The poor decision to award them the free kick the winner came from ? Jolly, gosh, that was never a free kick |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 18, 2024 16:59:46 GMT 1
She had a poor game and was very inconsistent and whistle happy. Hull bought into it which nobody like to see but it got results and was probably pre planned. The ref should have put a stop to it but didn't. However it was only a factor of the total result with the largest being Hull were far more clinical than us and we didn't create enough clear cut chances. Whilst we were the better team overall and they didn't impress me at all they got the job done. The ref should be pushed the same as any other ref and that is by performance which she had a poor one yedterday
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Post by upthetown on Feb 18, 2024 17:14:11 GMT 1
It was always going to be the case yesterday in that if Town lost the ref would get some blame for it, unfortunate but its a fact, all season long we get refs who make bad decisions, she made a few yasterday but which ref dosnt, i cant think of any. Every time we lose it's because of the ref. Unless the manager is unpopular, then it's because of the manager. We got relegated because of refs, we didn't get promoted because of refs. Not true at all, however, the referee yesterday was a joke as was the referee in the playoff final. Both got multiple key decisions wrong, and the outcomes COULD have been different without those clear bad decisions. |
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Post by harris on Feb 18, 2024 17:26:14 GMT 1
Absolutely ridiculous that people are blaming something because it was a female ref. Personally, apart from letting Hull time waste, she had an alright game. Can't people just accept that we were naive after getting a late equaliser and shouldn't be throwing the game away. Poor game management. ‘Absolutely ridiculous’ Give over, let’s call at as it was - she was fucking woeful. And not just for us. We’ve had many a male ref who was woeful that we’ve called out too. It’s not sexist to call a shit referee shit. And people like yourself who are too scared to call it as it was is the reason she’s at this level in the first place. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 18, 2024 17:54:40 GMT 1
Absolutely ridiculous that people are blaming something because it was a female ref. Personally, apart from letting Hull time waste, she had an alright game. Can't people just accept that we were naive after getting a late equaliser and shouldn't be throwing the game away. Poor game management. ‘Absolutely ridiculous’ Give over, let’s call at as it was - she was fucking woeful. And not just for us. We’ve had many a male ref who was woeful that we’ve called out too. It’s not sexist to call a shit referee shit. And people like yourself who are too scared to call it as it was is the reason she’s at this level in the first place. Suppose you misses a lot of comments from people saying it was because she was female?? I thought she did okay apart from the time wasting. If she was shit, I would say it. I am not the one that has brought gender into it. I am questioning those that have. |
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Post by htfc63 on Feb 18, 2024 17:54:48 GMT 1
Hull we’re the much better team in the first half however we did not help ourselves selecting Wiles and Hogg who both had poor games. As previously mentioned Pearsons distribution is woeful and Lee,s looks under pressure most of the time. We also counted 15 poor crosses from Sorba which were wasted opportunities.
With that out of the way I look forward to seeing Helik and Balker playing alongside each other and Matos continuing to develop. Rudoni was once again excellent and Spencer has really come along as a great wing back. I don’t want to have a go at Worthington as he stepped up in our time of need and has no doubt learned a great deal from this opportunity. Hopefully our new manager can get the best out of our squad as we have the core of a decent team and with a few additions in the summer could really push on.
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