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Post by Randy Watson on Feb 18, 2024 17:57:04 GMT 1
No-one ever mentions the offside in the build to the free kick that led to Peterborough's first goal in the 2011 final. The consensus is that Clark bottled it. Whereas the 2022 final, we lost because of the ref. In 2019, we got relegated because of a red card against Brighton and various other refereeing decisions. But only when Wagner was here, as soon as he left we were losing games because Siewert was shite. Then in 2022, the West Brom 2-2. We didn't chuck away a two-goal lead, we were cheated by the ref as Corberan was the manager. Later in 2022, we had a legitimate goal denied because of technology and it cost us points, but hardly anyone was bothered because Schofield was shite. In Fotheringham's time, we never lost any games because of refs, it was because he was shite. Same with Moore, any game we won, it was down to the players. I just find it interesting how excuses are made when things happen under popular managers, whereas under unpopular managers, it's just because they're shite. If you speak to fans of any club, they'll tell you they only get shit refs and they never get any decisions. It's football. I think what you describe is human nature |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 18, 2024 18:08:09 GMT 1
It was always going to be the case yesterday in that if Town lost the ref would get some blame for it, unfortunate but its a fact, all season long we get refs who make bad decisions, she made a few yasterday but which ref dosnt, i cant think of any. Again, I haven't seen anyone blaming her for us losing, just folk pointing out how poor she was. She was crap. But not as crap as several of our players or manager imho |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 18:10:23 GMT 1
No-one ever mentions the offside in the build to the free kick that led to Peterborough's first goal in the 2011 final. The consensus is that Clark bottled it. Whereas the 2022 final, we lost because of the ref. In 2019, we got relegated because of a red card against Brighton and various other refereeing decisions. But only when Wagner was here, as soon as he left we were losing games because Siewert was shite. Then in 2022, the West Brom 2-2. We didn't chuck away a two-goal lead, we were cheated by the ref as Corberan was the manager. Later in 2022, we had a legitimate goal denied because of technology and it cost us points, but hardly anyone was bothered because Schofield was shite. In Fotheringham's time, we never lost any games because of refs, it was because he was shite. Same with Moore, any game we won, it was down to the players. I just find it interesting how excuses are made when things happen under popular managers, whereas under unpopular managers, it's just because they're shite. If you speak to fans of any club, they'll tell you they only get shit refs and they never get any decisions. It's football. To be fair we only get shit refs when we lose. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 18:12:19 GMT 1
Aye ref was poor yesterday, but no poorer than many other refs we have had. Some of the gender specific abuse at the ground yesterday (often from grown men) was cringe at best - and that was in the family stand Plenty in lower tier of Kilner bank near singing section.Get back in kitchen where you belong,go and make a cup ot tea etc. |
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Post by frankslegs on Feb 18, 2024 18:24:21 GMT 1
We lost yesterday because JW picked the wrong starting eleven.
Rambo and Tom Cowan in White Rose thought ref had a good game which I didn’t agree with.
The shithousery from Hull was obvious to a more experience official.
And as for so called assistants……
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 18, 2024 18:28:34 GMT 1
We lost yesterday because JW picked the wrong starting eleven. Rambo and Tom Cowan in White Rose thought ref had a good game which I didn’t agree with. The shithousery from Hull was obvious to a more experience official. And as for so called assistants…… Imagine if Rambo and Tom Cowan stood up in the White Rose club and said that the ref had a poor game? Rambo would have been sacked and Cowan never invited back. She had a very poor first half, but second, I hardly noticed her, which is good. |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 18, 2024 18:40:48 GMT 1
Aye ref was poor yesterday, but no poorer than many other refs we have had. Some of the gender specific abuse at the ground yesterday (often from grown men) was cringe at best - and that was in the family stand Plenty in lower tier of Kilner bank near singing section.Get back in kitchen where you belong,go and make a cup ot tea etc. I think at a club in a working class town where money is hard to come by for many, it can be difficult seeing people given a leg up to appease a woke agenda when you have had to work hard for every penny. A situation made worse by her incompetence. Singing those sort of songs is how these feelings are manifest. No doubt shortly some club will be fined for singing those sort of songs or docked points. Very much another emperors new clothes situation. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2024 18:47:00 GMT 1
Plenty in lower tier of Kilner bank near singing section.Get back in kitchen where you belong,go and make a cup ot tea etc. I think at a club in a working class town where money is hard to come by for many, it can be difficult seeing people given a leg up to appease a woke agenda when you have had to work hard for every penny. A situation made worse by her incompetence. Singing those sort of songs is how these feelings are manifest. No doubt shortly some club will be fined for singing those sort of songs or docked points. Very much another emperors new clothes situation. To appease a woke agenda 🙄🙄🙄 |
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Post by frankslegs on Feb 18, 2024 18:48:45 GMT 1
We lost yesterday because JW picked the wrong starting eleven. Rambo and Tom Cowan in White Rose thought ref had a good game which I didn’t agree with. The shithousery from Hull was obvious to a more experience official. And as for so called assistants…… Imagine if Rambo and Tom Cowan stood up in the White Rose club and said that the ref had a poor game? Rambo would have been sacked and Cowan never invited back. She had a very poor first half, but second, I hardly noticed her, which is good. Fair point Kenny |
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Post by Matt1908 on Feb 18, 2024 19:03:47 GMT 1
If you seriously think the officials didn't lose us the play off final you're on cloud cuckoo land. Forest had just as few chances and scored from as shanked own goal. The only attempt they had inside our box was a set piece. We had 2 clear penalties not given. That cost us the game. How many people have said the ref was the reason we lost yesterday? Very few. A lot have rightly said she was absolutely terrible. But every single time you criticise a ref you get "it wasn't the refs fault we lost" bollocks. It's tiresome. How many attempts did we have on goal that day? Hard to have an attempt on goal when you get chopped down twice when in a strong position to do so... |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 18, 2024 19:12:10 GMT 1
How many attempts did we have on goal that day? Hard to have an attempt on goal when you get chopped down twice when in a strong position to do so... LOB wasn't chopped down. He got his knee caught between the Forest defender. |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 18, 2024 19:19:00 GMT 1
I think at a club in a working class town where money is hard to come by for many, it can be difficult seeing people given a leg up to appease a woke agenda when you have had to work hard for every penny. A situation made worse by her incompetence. Singing those sort of songs is how these feelings are manifest. No doubt shortly some club will be fined for singing those sort of songs or docked points. Very much another emperors new clothes situation. To appease a woke agenda 🙄🙄🙄 If you care offer another reason why she was fast tracked? |
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 18, 2024 19:30:25 GMT 1
Plenty in lower tier of Kilner bank near singing section.Get back in kitchen where you belong,go and make a cup ot tea etc. I think at a club in a working class town where money is hard to come by for many, it can be difficult seeing people given a leg up to appease a woke agenda when you have had to work hard for every penny. A situation made worse by her incompetence. Singing those sort of songs is how these feelings are manifest. No doubt shortly some club will be fined for singing those sort of songs or docked points. Very much another emperors new clothes situation. She's not been given a leg up. She wasn't even the worst ref we've had this week- really crap in the first half and not hard enough on time wasting, but absolutely fine second half. She's refereed men's football for 7 years, EFL level for 4 years, and is in her second season at this level. She's been around for long enough and has put the work in. The only ref I can think of that's unjustifiably been given a leg up is that Aussie who got chucked straight into the Prem. I can think of a couple of reasons why nobody cared about him, but they're up in arms about Rebecca Welsh, and perceive her as being overpromoted. By this I'm assuming the woke agenda means certain groups of people being in public life when you don't want them to be. Also, what's the link between being working class and having a hard time with money, and being abusive as an expression of hating change? That's just garbage and demeans honest working people. I struggle with money and I managed not to be loudly misogynistic at the game. We need change if we're gonna stand a chance of improving people's chances in life. Conserving the social status quo conserves the conditions that cause poverty and misery. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 18, 2024 19:30:53 GMT 1
To appease a woke agenda 🙄🙄🙄 If you care offer another reason why she was fast tracked? See my post above, she wasn't fast tracked. |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 18, 2024 19:34:03 GMT 1
To appease a woke agenda 🙄🙄🙄 If you care offer another reason why she was fast tracked? Wow. That is another debate (fast-tracking etc)- what I cringe about is grown men saying things like get back in the kitchen…it is embarrassing. At the end of the day, is it her fault if she was fast-tracked? By all means be critical of refs, players etc but adding gender, race, religion, sexuality etc to these comments is ignorant and irrelevant. It is 2024 ffs. Nothing to do with being ‘woke’, which is just a poor argument for people feeling justified in discriminating against others. Just because something was the norm, say 50 years ago, it doesn’t make it right in todays society |
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Post by sabailand on Feb 18, 2024 19:34:03 GMT 1
It was always going to be the case yesterday in that if Town lost the ref would get some blame for it, unfortunate but its a fact, all season long we get refs who make bad decisions, she made a few yasterday but which ref dosnt, i cant think of any. Again, I haven't seen anyone blaming her for us losing, just folk pointing out how poor she was. Maybe not directly on here but i heard it in the stands yesterday along with insults like Fucking bitch, ok we call male refs worse but it was still embarrassing, believe me there are always people itching to have ago..ie the blame game if the game isnt going their teams way and the ref or any official is a woman. |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 18, 2024 19:34:47 GMT 1
We conceded two goals from open play yesterday didn’t we? No - one from a corner and one from a free kick…hence why their centre half scored both. Neither were in the first passage of play though, there were numerous touches before the goals, that’s open play to my mind. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 18, 2024 19:36:21 GMT 1
Hard to have an attempt on goal when you get chopped down twice when in a strong position to do so... LOB wasn't chopped down. He got his knee caught between the Forest defender. LOB should have been booked for trying to knee the Forest defender in the nuts |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2024 19:36:24 GMT 1
To appease a woke agenda 🙄🙄🙄 If you care offer another reason why she was fast tracked? I've no idea but I've also no idea how or why Jarred Gillet was fast tracked, I don't think being a white Australian bloke fits the "woke agenda" |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 18, 2024 19:37:03 GMT 1
No - one from a corner and one from a free kick…hence why their centre half scored both. Neither were in the first passage of play though, that’s open play to my mind. Agree to disagree. Point being was a team defensive situation not just defenders / defensive players situation. Both goals very much a result of set plays… |
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 18, 2024 19:43:17 GMT 1
If you care offer another reason why she was fast tracked? I've no idea but I've also no idea how or why Jarred Gillet was fast tracked, I don't think being a white Australian bloke fits the "woke agenda" Promoted to PL refs in 2021 at age 37, which means he had 8 years at most (5 years left) in the top tier unless he fucks up. It must be a very short shelf life for normal refs who are not fast-tracked. |
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Post by mallyb on Feb 18, 2024 19:48:46 GMT 1
I think at a club in a working class town where money is hard to come by for many, it can be difficult seeing people given a leg up to appease a woke agenda when you have had to work hard for every penny. A situation made worse by her incompetence. Singing those sort of songs is how these feelings are manifest. No doubt shortly some club will be fined for singing those sort of songs or docked points. Very much another emperors new clothes situation. She's not been given a leg up. She wasn't even the worst ref we've had this week- really crap in the first half and not hard enough on time wasting, but absolutely fine second half. She's refereed men's football for 7 years, EFL level for 4 years, and is in her second season at this level. She's been around for long enough and has put the work in. The only ref I can think of that's unjustifiably been given a leg up is that Aussie who got chucked straight into the Prem. I can think of a couple of reasons why nobody cared about him, but they're up in arms about Rebecca Welsh, and perceive her as being overpromoted. By this I'm assuming the woke agenda means certain groups of people being in public life when you don't want them to be. Also, what's the link between being working class and having a hard time with money, and being abusive as an expression of hating change? That's just garbage and demeans honest working people. I struggle with money and I managed not to be loudly misogynistic at the game. We need change if we're gonna stand a chance of improving people's chances in life. Conserving the social status quo conserves the conditions that cause poverty and misery. According to your own post she was fast tacked. Fast progress is at least a year at each level starting at level 7, you say she’s been in the FL 4 years which mean she did 6 levels in 3 years. She must have shown something special to progress so fast. The songs weren’t misogynistic just terrace banter. Your final paragraph is just nonsense, nobody is conserving the stats quo but engineering situations to provide a protected characteristic an opportunity they have neither the experience or qualifications for will create resentment. The sort of resentment that devalues the achievements of those that are actually there on merit. She was shocking first half, didn’t notice her second half so did well. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 18, 2024 20:20:08 GMT 1
She's not been given a leg up. She wasn't even the worst ref we've had this week- really crap in the first half and not hard enough on time wasting, but absolutely fine second half. She's refereed men's football for 7 years, EFL level for 4 years, and is in her second season at this level. She's been around for long enough and has put the work in. The only ref I can think of that's unjustifiably been given a leg up is that Aussie who got chucked straight into the Prem. I can think of a couple of reasons why nobody cared about him, but they're up in arms about Rebecca Welsh, and perceive her as being overpromoted. By this I'm assuming the woke agenda means certain groups of people being in public life when you don't want them to be. Also, what's the link between being working class and having a hard time with money, and being abusive as an expression of hating change? That's just garbage and demeans honest working people. I struggle with money and I managed not to be loudly misogynistic at the game. We need change if we're gonna stand a chance of improving people's chances in life. Conserving the social status quo conserves the conditions that cause poverty and misery. According to your own post she was fast tacked. Fast progress is at least a year at each level starting at level 7, you say she’s been in the FL 4 years which mean she did 6 levels in 3 years. She must have shown something special to progress so fast. The songs weren’t misogynistic just terrace banter. Your final paragraph is just nonsense, nobody is conserving the stats quo but engineering situations to provide a protected characteristic an opportunity they have neither the experience or qualifications for will create resentment. The sort of resentment that devalues the achievements of those that are actually there on merit. She was shocking first half, didn’t notice her second half so did well. I think that pace of progress is about the going rate for refs that do end up reffing at the top level. Not my field of expertise though (is it anyone's?). Happy to be proven wrong but it's too boring and inconsequential for me to want to research! You've misread what I meant at the end re: change and reaction to change. And she does have the experience and qualifications to referee games, as I said she's been refereeing at a high level for years. Doesn't mean she's any good as a ref, but that's because refs are generally quite shit! Agree on her performance. |
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 18, 2024 20:49:05 GMT 1
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Post by willo on Feb 18, 2024 20:52:15 GMT 1
Ref was shit yesterday insofar as she stood for Hull’s play acting but no more shit than many other refs we’ve had this season. She certainly wasn’t good though.
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 18, 2024 20:53:45 GMT 1
Ref was shit yesterday insofar as she stood for Hull’s play acting but no more shit than many other refs we’ve had this season. She certainly wasn’t good though. Don’t think she was that shit, can’t think of a really bad decision she made. I just thought her management of the game showed her massive inexperience at this level. As others have said the guy on Wednesday was much worse than her. |
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Post by mickydombat on Feb 18, 2024 21:31:18 GMT 1
How many men ref in WSL??
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 18, 2024 21:41:16 GMT 1
How many men ref in WSL?? 8 out of 24. |
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Post by griffa on Feb 18, 2024 21:50:42 GMT 1
Rebecca Welch's performance yesterday was very poor, she allowed Hull City players. to completely slow the game down, in the 1st half.
She allowed the Hull City goalkeeper to further slow the game down, without issuing a yellow card.
Hull City players feigned injury numerous times, yes the Ref on Wednesday was poor too, too many soft fouls awarded against Town.
The foul throw was the most blatant foul throw, I ever seen in 60 years of watching professional football.
Watched Rebecca Welch referee professional games previously i.e. Fulham, which she referred without upsetting anybody.
Her performance yesterday was below par, she must learn, to understand that Professional Footballers, will take the pee, as exhibited yesterday - UTT.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 18, 2024 21:51:40 GMT 1
I've no idea but I've also no idea how or why Jarred Gillet was fast tracked, I don't think being a white Australian bloke fits the "woke agenda" Promoted to PL refs in 2021 at age 37, which means he had 8 years at most (5 years left) in the top tier unless he fucks up. It must be a very short shelf life for normal refs who are not fast-tracked. He'd only been in English football for 2 seasons before they put him in the PL, just seen he's now on FIFA's list, too. WT absolute F !!! |
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