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Post by rockwall on May 29, 2024 11:30:56 GMT 1
It happens every year.
I'm sure last year it was 249 and then went up to 299 after the deadline for renewals.
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Post by dugnet on May 29, 2024 11:33:16 GMT 1
Oh I am known for pushing narratives - to put bluntly, rubbish! I completely understand the scepticism many have (you are not the only one ie I am not singling you out generally) give the last few seasons, and the first Nagle season, but at some point we need to draw a line in the sand and look forward. This is the moment the club can start to look up again. I am prepared to give Mr Nagle and team that opportunity. There will be plenty of time to be negative if things don't go well. I'm not being negative. You're just doing the usual trick of seeing my username and automatically disagreeing/branding me negative because it's easy. Mute my posts if you don't like it, as it's clear you only read what you want to anyway. I just think we all need to draw a line and move forward. The Nagle era hardly made an auspicious start. Last season was awful, a series of reactive and poor choices, that resulted in relegation. It was the culmination of a number of poor seasons marred by ill thought through decisions and a lack of a plan. Personally I desperately want the club to move in a new direction. It might just be me but I sense a line has been drawn and there will be a fresh start. Time will tell of course if my optimism is misplaced. I'm prepared to give Mr Nagle, and his team, the time to set us o the road to recovery. It will need time but I think he deserves that opportunity. I don't see how being critical about a very good ticket offer (even at the increased prices - relative to other clubs, and I recognise that it isn't just you that has that view) is really necessary. Last season hardly inspired confidence but there was some mitigation (from what was inherited etc), although some choices were undoubtedly poor. Communication was maintained and tickets prices have been held. A quick, credible, appointment has been made. Staff have remained in post and their working environment has been improved. All small things but things that show a determination and commitment to HTAFC. We all want Town to succeed and we all have differing opinions but we also know this club works best when we all pull together. Some may need convincing that Mr Nagle is the right man, and I get that, but let's give him a chance. There will be plenty of opportunity to be critical if things don't go right but this is the opportunity to start again.
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Post by Big Ern on May 29, 2024 11:36:12 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? I think it's admirable that he has listened and is willing to adjust the clubs stance to benefit the fans. He certainly is willing to hold his hands up to things and look to make things right. Surely that should be applauded and not lauded?
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Post by theterrier42 on May 29, 2024 11:42:02 GMT 1
It happens every year. I'm sure last year it was 249 and then went up to 299 after the deadline for renewals. I just don’t think it was clearly communicated, which is why it’s thrown a lot of people of imo
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 29, 2024 11:42:50 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? I think it's admirable that he has listened and is willing to adjust the clubs stance to benefit the fans. He certainly is willing to hold his hands up to things and look to make things right. Surely that should be applauded and not lauded? Totally agree. We have an owner who listens to the fans point of view. How many other clubs are in this situation.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 29, 2024 11:43:33 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? I’ve more respect for people who can admit they are wrong, which is a rare trait these days.
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Post by htafcokay on May 29, 2024 11:43:38 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? I think it's admirable that he has listened and is willing to adjust the clubs stance to benefit the fans. He certainly is willing to hold his hands up to things and look to make things right. Surely that should be applauded and not lauded? I'm not expressing an opinion one way or another, I was just asking a question. This isn't the first time the chairman has done a complete 180 and changed his mind due to a bit of backlash on social media.
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Post by htafcokay on May 29, 2024 11:44:29 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? I’ve more respect for people who can admit they are wrong, which is a rare trait these days. Nice one.
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Post by townarentbest on May 29, 2024 11:56:53 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? It is all very reactive and feels a bit unplanned/chaotic...hence my question on the Diary thread about the seemingly one-way travel of ideas from fans with nothing really coming back or actually seeming to happen. There's "promise" of great things next year, but thats what they remain and we just have to wait and see. Everything has been a bit half-assed for an entire season which dampens my enthusiasm somewhat. There seems to be lots of call for engagement but not that much actual engagement or tangible follow-up. But - good to see some decisive action in this instance - I get a feel that KN may be regularly frustrated for some time until things do eventually slot into place.
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Post by twyford on May 29, 2024 12:03:16 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? I think it's admirable that he has listened and is willing to adjust the clubs stance to benefit the fans. He certainly is willing to hold his hands up to things and look to make things right. Surely that should be applauded and not lauded? Or is he playing the long game? More new Season Ticket* purchases this season means more potential renewals next season when the price is hiked for everyone. * can't bring myself to call them season cards - just because they are in a card format. It's still a boarding pass for the plane even though it's a QR / barcode on my phone!
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Post by htafcokay on May 29, 2024 12:05:20 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? It is all very reactive and feels a bit unplanned/chaotic...hence my question on the Diary thread about the seemingly one-way travel of ideas from fans with nothing really coming back or actually seeming to happen. There's "promise" of great things next year, but thats what they remain and we just have to wait and see. Everything has been a bit half-assed for an entire season which dampens my enthusiasm somewhat. There seems to be lots of call for engagement but not that much actual engagement or tangible follow-up. But - good to see some decisive action in this instance - I get a feel that KN may be regularly frustrated for some time until things do eventually slot into place. I think it would be beneficial if the 'communication' was put out via official channels rather than just on his own personal Twitter, as it gives the impression that everything is done on the hoof. I imagine sometimes his 'engagement' catches club employees off guard. But that's just my opinion. No doubt I'll get the usual accusations of hating Nagle and being negative for stating such an opinion.
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Post by townarentbest on May 29, 2024 12:13:09 GMT 1
It is all very reactive and feels a bit unplanned/chaotic...hence my question on the Diary thread about the seemingly one-way travel of ideas from fans with nothing really coming back or actually seeming to happen. There's "promise" of great things next year, but thats what they remain and we just have to wait and see. Everything has been a bit half-assed for an entire season which dampens my enthusiasm somewhat. There seems to be lots of call for engagement but not that much actual engagement or tangible follow-up. But - good to see some decisive action in this instance - I get a feel that KN may be regularly frustrated for some time until things do eventually slot into place. I think it would be beneficial if the 'communication' was put out via official channels rather than just on his own personal Twitter, as it gives the impression that everything is done on the hoof. I imagine sometimes his 'engagement' catches club employees off guard. But that's just my opinion. No doubt I'll get the usual accusations of hating Nagle and being negative for stating such an opinion. I do like the disruptive leadership approach. It demands a readiness to question existing norms, and an ability to take decisive action - a definite short cut route to transformation and (hopefully!) advancement than the alternative leadership styles we've drearily witnessed over many years.
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Post by irverino on May 29, 2024 12:15:10 GMT 1
Have the matchday prices being frozen?.....Not planning on category pricing I hope?
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Post by Tango on May 29, 2024 12:19:59 GMT 1
To be fair, as a general overview, we've gone from:
"I've had a season ticket for 45 years and we've just been relegated, I don't care if they're free - I'm never setting foot inside that stadium again";
to:
"I've renewed and now my 5 mates want one and unless they get one at the same price then Town are just turning good money away!
...in the space of 3 weeks!
How do you expect our Comms department and KN to hit a moving target like that!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 29, 2024 12:44:30 GMT 1
I was fortunate enough to renew early, but can someone clarify that the original release was only for renewals, or could new folk buy at £249?
From some of the posts on here it sounds as though general sale was excluded from the £249 price, but given I was renewing I probably didn’t read the full announcement.
I think early bird prices should apply to all really. The renewals bit is principally to retain your seat location.
I also appreciate that I’m a singleton purchase, so appreciate the difficulty if people are trying to sort renewals + new sufferers…
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on May 29, 2024 12:55:43 GMT 1
The advantage that previous SC holders have when they renew is that they have the choice to retain their own seat or have first pick of a different or better seat. The next cohort of SC buyers have to choose from what's left.
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Post by irverino on May 29, 2024 12:59:45 GMT 1
Not sure just how many new SC fans the club are expecting to attract in league one & whether the price will put 10's or 100's off, I suspect the younger fans are more likely than new adult ones, so only increase that price to £299 & leave the under 23 price downwards at early bird......Its the next generation of fans surely the club are trying to entice to follow Town, IMO.
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Post by dugnet on May 29, 2024 13:20:05 GMT 1
It is all very reactive and feels a bit unplanned/chaotic...hence my question on the Diary thread about the seemingly one-way travel of ideas from fans with nothing really coming back or actually seeming to happen. There's "promise" of great things next year, but thats what they remain and we just have to wait and see. Everything has been a bit half-assed for an entire season which dampens my enthusiasm somewhat. There seems to be lots of call for engagement but not that much actual engagement or tangible follow-up. But - good to see some decisive action in this instance - I get a feel that KN may be regularly frustrated for some time until things do eventually slot into place. I think it would be beneficial if the 'communication' was put out via official channels rather than just on his own personal Twitter, as it gives the impression that everything is done on the hoof. I imagine sometimes his 'engagement' catches club employees off guard. But that's just my opinion. No doubt I'll get the usual accusations of hating Nagle and being negative for stating such an opinion. You have a fair point here. It could look as though those in charge in the UK make a call only to get overruled. The fact you raise the point should be taken on board by those above. There is a more cynical line that says the pricing, and subsequent change, might have been planned to show Mr Nagle is listening, but that is very cynical. Personally I would like the club to quietly get on with things at the moment. The balance between words and actions needs to be struck and actions. I think it is a time for actions.
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Post by RickDangerous on May 29, 2024 13:20:42 GMT 1
I'm having issues when trying to renew. Not kept up with the thread if someone's already raised!! ******ignore me sorted it
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Post by Wingman on May 29, 2024 13:29:17 GMT 1
Just reflecting back on my own posts about the SC prices and then the posts made afterwards generally. Holding my hands up, I didn’t expect such a jump and believed I would be able to purchase at the same rate as renewals. Some loyalty is absolutely needed for you guys who have suffered in person consistently for a long time, so a small increase for newbies would be fair, but it felt like a steep jump for those wanting to jump in, especially when you’re buying multiple cards.
I think it’s a great move by KN if he adjusts prices back to renewal levels even for a short window of a week/fortnight. 99% of club owners wouldn’t step back and make that change so fair play if he does. Another positive reason for being able to contact him via socials or Dave on here. Plus at least we all have a fair warning that prices will be up next year, hopefully after a successful season.
Finally, apologies if my original posts on the matter came across as ‘entitled’ or being a whiner. That wasn’t my aim at all.
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Post by ambryboy on May 29, 2024 14:11:19 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? At least he listens and responds so we shouldn't grumble if there's a u-turn after folk have been saying it's too big an increase.
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Post by Morning Norwood on May 29, 2024 15:01:45 GMT 1
Does he ever stick to a decision? At least he listens and responds so we shouldn't grumble if there's a u-turn after folk have been saying it's too big an increase. It’s £4.34 a game. Not even the price of a decent pint in reality.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 29, 2024 15:05:21 GMT 1
At least he listens and responds so we shouldn't grumble if there's a u-turn after folk have been saying it's too big an increase. It’s £4.34 a game. Not even the price of a decent pint in reality. It's not the price of a pint, never mind a decent one.
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Post by seniorterrier on May 29, 2024 15:40:10 GMT 1
£4 30 for a decent pint of Prava in Dusty at Longwood
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Post by Mastercracker on May 29, 2024 15:45:03 GMT 1
£4 30 for a decent pint of Prava in Dusty at Longwood Unusual in this day and age.
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Post by ldr on May 29, 2024 15:45:33 GMT 1
At least he listens and responds so we shouldn't grumble if there's a u-turn after folk have been saying it's too big an increase. It’s £4.34 a game. Not even the price of a decent pint in reality. What if you don’t drink? 1 and a half Costas or a takeaway beef salad from Merrie England?
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Post by ldr on May 29, 2024 15:48:38 GMT 1
£4 30 for a decent pint of Prava in Dusty at Longwood Unusual in this day and age. I was drinking in central London this weekend and the cheapest I bought was 7.50. I was quite pleased at that but if you think about it, £30 minimum for a round of four drinks! We were on double g and t’s in the theatre at £60 a round!
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Post by sabailand on May 29, 2024 15:59:32 GMT 1
Unusual in this day and age. I was drinking in central London this weekend and the cheapest I bought was 7.50. I was quite pleased at that but if you think about it, £30 minimum for a round of four drinks! We were on double g and t’s in the theatre at £60 a round! On away days we've often found pubs that although aren't particularly cheap aren't extortionate either, apart from spoons we've found pubs where we can get a pint between five and six pounds fairly often, paid a fiver for a pint of Doombar last season at Kings head, of course certain areas will be ridiculously overpriced but it dosnt always have to be, still wouldnt want to drink there regularly all the same.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on May 29, 2024 16:01:53 GMT 1
To be fair, as a general overview, we've gone from: "I've had a season ticket for 45 years and we've just been relegated, I don't care if they're free - I'm never setting foot inside that stadium again"; to: "I've renewed and now my 5 mates want one and unless they get one at the same price then Town are just turning good money away! ...in the space of 3 weeks! How do you expect our Comms department and KN to hit a moving target like that! Totally agree. Good post and good point well made
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Post by niggyg on May 29, 2024 16:02:53 GMT 1
Have I missed something here? I’ve always seen this as a thank you to SC holders with a deadline to get the really cheap tickets and then a price increase after that for everyone else. What exactly are people complaining about? You’re having to pay more because you didn’t buy a SC last season. For what ever reason and there’s no judgement on why. BUT you didn’t have a SC so you can’t be “thanked”, “rewarded” or whatever you want to call it. As a communication piece, maybe the full price list for SC and “new” buyers should have been released at the same time. Maybe there could have been a discounted 7 days for new ticket buyers at say £50 less than the standard rate, but to suggest everyone should be getting the renewal price does seem to come across as entitled. Normally you have 3 dates/windows, A, B & C. A is the deadline for renewals to keep your existing seat. Sometimes a very small windows after A and before B is used for people who wish to swap seats. B is the deadline for early bird cards available to new purchases. C is is the deadline for all season card sales - I'm not sure where the cut off is on this one. Half season cards get offered at minimal discount around xmas time.
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