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Post by mosher on Mar 11, 2024 15:28:43 GMT 1
Well is there any wonder? It's like some of these people are more fans of Carlos Corberan than they are of Huddersfield Town. Managers and players come and go, and once they've gone, they've gone. He still lives in your head rent free though 😉 Hardly. It's never (or rarely anyway) htafcokay that brings up CC, he just responds to the love-in of a manager (no matter his reasoning) who screwed us over. After being backed during a truly abysmal, injury-hit Moore-like run. After attempting to resign, despite that backing, after Fulham in 2022. After producing crap, pragmatic (albeit winning) football in his second season. After displaying absolutely shit managerial qualities (tactics, squad selection, substitutions, etc) in the PO final. Then compounds it all by jumping ship to the (increasingly dodgy-looking) twigs owner's other team. It's no wonder they get irate at the amount of rose-glasses being viewed through? |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 11, 2024 15:33:03 GMT 1
Im not convinced that will stop happening. two games in a week where exactly that has happened. Opposition take chance, we dont Ill probably upset a few, but for me Lee has to come and claim that corner. Long loopy cross to the far post. Balls gone 60 yards without any pace on it. Come and claim it and take the pressure off. Then Del through on goal. Score that and the game changes again. The 25 yard screamer is just one of those things. great strike, was in from the moment it left his boot Reflecting on the game yesterday evening, I’d be giving Maxwell a run in the team. He performed fantastically well for us while LN was injured & I think Lee is suffering some confidence issues when you look at some of the recent games in the round. As you say, the third goal, not much he could have done with that one, but he seems shakier than he has been for some time. We also need to work out how to get Balker and Helik in the same starting lineup, as we do Burgzorg, Koroma and Thomas. Midfield needs to have some composure as well. Individually, I think we have some talented players, but occasionally they look like strangers on the pitch. Still think we’ll be OK, but sadly I think it will be a lot closer than it was last season, even if we did only secure our safety in the penultimate game. I suspect the permutations going into the final 2 games this time around, will be significantly more. We secured safety before the penultimate game last season…… |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 11, 2024 15:34:07 GMT 1
Reflecting on the game yesterday evening, I’d be giving Maxwell a run in the team. He performed fantastically well for us while LN was injured & I think Lee is suffering some confidence issues when you look at some of the recent games in the round. As you say, the third goal, not much he could have done with that one, but he seems shakier than he has been for some time. We also need to work out how to get Balker and Helik in the same starting lineup, as we do Burgzorg, Koroma and Thomas. Midfield needs to have some composure as well. Individually, I think we have some talented players, but occasionally they look like strangers on the pitch. Still think we’ll be OK, but sadly I think it will be a lot closer than it was last season, even if we did only secure our safety in the penultimate game. I suspect the permutations going into the final 2 games this time around, will be significantly more. We secured safety before the penultimate game last season…… We didn't. Sheffield United was the penultimate game last season. |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 11, 2024 15:40:27 GMT 1
We secured safety before the penultimate game last season…… We didn't. Sheffield United was the penultimate game last season. We were on 47 points before we played Blades, and 4th Bottom was safe on 45 points at the end of the season ....... |
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Post by benhomly on Mar 11, 2024 15:44:47 GMT 1
Im not convinced that will stop happening. two games in a week where exactly that has happened. Opposition take chance, we dont Ill probably upset a few, but for me Lee has to come and claim that corner. Long loopy cross to the far post. Balls gone 60 yards without any pace on it. Come and claim it and take the pressure off. Then Del through on goal. Score that and the game changes again. The 25 yard screamer is just one of those things. great strike, was in from the moment it left his boot Reflecting on the game yesterday evening, I’d be giving Maxwell a run in the team. He performed fantastically well for us while LN was injured & I think Lee is suffering some confidence issues when you look at some of the recent games in the round. As you say, the third goal, not much he could have done with that one, but he seems shakier than he has been for some time. We also need to work out how to get Balker and Helik in the same starting lineup, as we do Burgzorg, Koroma and Thomas. Midfield needs to have some composure as well. Individually, I think we have some talented players, but occasionally they look like strangers on the pitch. Still think we’ll be OK, but sadly I think it will be a lot closer than it was last season, even if we did only secure our safety in the penultimate game. I suspect the permutations going into the final 2 games this time around, will be significantly more. I've been saying for a while that Nichols's saves to shots on target ratio doesn't seem too good to me (not that I'm claiming to know as fact). It was better than it normally is yesterday (think it was 8 on target, 4 conceded but then most of the ones he saved were straight at him). We've been losing games with sides having just a few shots on target. So I agree, give Maxwell a run in the side. Although I thought in his last game against Preston (a game he should really have been up for considering his Blackpool days) all those goals were preventable. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 11, 2024 15:45:11 GMT 1
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Post by benhomly on Mar 11, 2024 15:46:02 GMT 1
We didn't. Sheffield United was the penultimate game last season. We were on 47 points before we played Blades, and 4th Bottom was safe on 45 points at the end of the season ....... We definitely weren't safe at the start of that game, hence the euphoria at the final whistle. |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 11, 2024 15:52:28 GMT 1
We were on 47 points before we played Blades, and 4th Bottom was safe on 45 points at the end of the season ....... We definitely weren't safe at the start of that game, hence the euphoria at the final whistle. true...at the time we didn't know, but what I mean is, technically, we were safe in terms of actual points gained at the time...... |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 11, 2024 18:28:35 GMT 1
We definitely weren't safe at the start of that game, hence the euphoria at the final whistle. true...at the time we didn't know, but what I mean is, technically, we were safe in terms of actual points gained at the time...... I don’t get the ‘technically’ bit. At 46 games we were safe with that number of points is what I think you’re saying, but had we lost vs the Blades it would have only needed a 1 goal defeat by Reading to send us packing. It would have been a high noon shootout between the 2 of us. I think this season, it could be more complex going into the final couple of games. Maybe a perm 2 from 4 scenario. Obviously I’d prefer us not to be on that list… 🤞 |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 11, 2024 19:09:46 GMT 1
true...at the time we didn't know, but what I mean is, technically, we were safe in terms of actual points gained at the time...... I don’t get the ‘technically’ bit. At 46 games we were safe with that number of points is what I think you’re saying, but had we lost vs the Blades it would have only needed a 1 goal defeat by Reading to send us packing. It would have been a high noon shootout between the 2 of us. I think this season, it could be more complex going into the final couple of games. Maybe a perm 2 from 4 scenario. Obviously I’d prefer us not to be on that list… 🤞 You’ve got it. I just explained it badly….:! This season I reckon the Tractor boys game won’t matter to us but will to them….we will be safe before that |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Mar 11, 2024 19:19:52 GMT 1
I think you're right, the Ipswich game wont matter because we will be down before that.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Mar 11, 2024 19:55:07 GMT 1
Carlos is the best tactician I've ever seen at town and showed it again yesterday. Id have liked to see his second half tactics challenged by 2 or 3 pairs of fresh legs?? Thats all.. I don't think fresh legs would have helped running and Lees and Pearson |
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Post by terrier17 on Mar 11, 2024 20:00:53 GMT 1
I think you're right, the Ipswich game wont matter because we will be down before that. That’s the spirit! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 11, 2024 20:15:39 GMT 1
Just watching the highlights on you tube, as if watching it live wasn't bad enough, and that's ghd first time West Brom have come from behind to win all season, which makes it bloody worse.
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Post by utttrooper on Mar 11, 2024 20:41:21 GMT 1
I think you're right, the Ipswich game wont matter because we will be down before that. Boooooooooooo |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Mar 11, 2024 22:29:49 GMT 1
Agree. Can’t see how anyone can bash CC’s achievements with us Can't see how anyone can bash Wagner's achievements with us, but they do, just to try and make out that Corberan achieved more, when he clearly didn't as we didn't go anywhere. Success is trophies and promotions. Only very few Huddersfield Town managers have achieved that. Are Clem Stephenson's 1930 and 1938 FA Cup final losses counted as successes? Is Ambrose Langley's 1920 FA Cup final loss counted as success? Is Lee Clark's two play-off campaigns that we lost, counted as success? Or Ian Ross' play-off campaign? Or Lou Macari's? If one manager losing a play-off final is counted as a success, then the other final losses ought to be as well... Not quite sure where I’ve downplayed any other managers achievements. But seen as we’re talking about Corberan….I’ll comment about Corberan. In the circumstances it was an exceptional achievement. (For the record, no offence to any other former HTAFC managers who might be reading this and feel left out) |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 11, 2024 22:48:44 GMT 1
Can't see how anyone can bash Wagner's achievements with us, but they do, just to try and make out that Corberan achieved more, when he clearly didn't as we didn't go anywhere. Success is trophies and promotions. Only very few Huddersfield Town managers have achieved that. Are Clem Stephenson's 1930 and 1938 FA Cup final losses counted as successes? Is Ambrose Langley's 1920 FA Cup final loss counted as success? Is Lee Clark's two play-off campaigns that we lost, counted as success? Or Ian Ross' play-off campaign? Or Lou Macari's? If one manager losing a play-off final is counted as a success, then the other final losses ought to be as well... Not quite sure where I’ve downplayed any other managers achievements. But seen as we’re talking about Corberan….I’ll comment about Corberan. In the circumstances it was an exceptional achievement. (For the record, no offence to any other former HTAFC managers who might be reading this and feel left out) You haven't, but many others do. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 11, 2024 22:50:45 GMT 1
Id have liked to see his second half tactics challenged by 2 or 3 pairs of fresh legs?? Thats all.. I don't think fresh legs would have helped running and Lees and Pearson Lees, pearson and hogg would have been subbed by me. Followed by Koroma and diarra coming on later on. Legs were required, its our best bet. We dont have to score again just prevent them from doing so, as much as we possibly could. Find a way to get results, ugly, simply graft or whatever way.. |
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Post by E4b on Mar 11, 2024 23:42:33 GMT 1
Rudoni has missed 2 even easier chances than Ward’s in the last 2 games. Agree but at least Rudoni does more than just miss chances. He stands out every game because he’s peroxided his head |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 9:42:03 GMT 1
Being a fan of any team, for 60 years in my case, does not mean I am obliged to slavishly and wrongly swallow all the crass decisions and appalling treatment of managers, does it? West Brom outplayed us in the second half, and Corberan out thought Breitenreiter. If you can’t applaud that, that is sad. HTAFC, since the flirtation with the premiership have recruited puppet managers. You reap what you sow. Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 12, 2024 9:57:32 GMT 1
Being a fan of any team, for 60 years in my case, does not mean I am obliged to slavishly and wrongly swallow all the crass decisions and appalling treatment of managers, does it? West Brom outplayed us in the second half, and Corberan out thought Breitenreiter. If you can’t applaud that, that is sad. HTAFC, since the flirtation with the premiership have recruited puppet managers. You reap what you sow. Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. Corberan's departure preceded the exits of Toffolo and O'Brien by a fortnight. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 12, 2024 10:18:00 GMT 1
Had we kept LOB and Toffolo somehow ( and then not signed Rudoni or helik as we wouldn't have had the money ) then he'd have left anyway.
I dont get why people cant see that in CCs mind he'd done with this club..he had long before the PO final..he .had an exceptional season where he'd got them over performing and been very very lucky with injuries...but he was always going to leave whilst his stock was so high.
If he stays then even with LOB and Toffs we would probably be mid-table at best..we wouldn't have been as lucky with injuries ( we actually had a terrible injury situation ), players probably wouldn't have over performed again and his chance for the big step up would have gone.
He looked at HTFC.. and there wasnt enough to keep him here...we hadnt even come close to selling out at Wembley...the 'owner' who didnt actually own the club was 'only' prepared to lose £5m a year...small potatoes in the championship.
Anyone who thinks he'd have stayed if wed kept those two players ( pissing them both off enormously ) when clubs like Olympiacos are wanting him , or any number of other bigger championship clubs, is kidding themselves IMO.
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Post by menstonterrier on Mar 12, 2024 10:36:39 GMT 1
Back to the match tough.....
the first goal was offside but even so, Wallace was on the dead ball line with Lees. There were seven other Town players plus Nicholls in the penalty area but none were within a yard of Johnstone. Lees stood off & allowed the cutback. Just awful defending.
in the melee for the second, Lees was dragged over backwards to allow Bartley space to prod the ball goalwards.
Neither goal would has been given at the other end.
The third was unstoppable.
The fourth was inevitable once AB had weakened both full back positions by moving Spencer to left back. There was no chance that Pearson would be able to keep out Johnstone.
With Burgzorg's miss and then Rudoni and Ward's misses, we could have easily got something out of the match.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 12, 2024 10:50:19 GMT 1
Whatever the reason it's pretty sad. When you think of the 6 sides who finished 1-6 in 21/22 season. 5 of them are now in the Premier League
We nearly went down last year and are at risk again
When you think of the money written off on those woeful Premier League signings in 2018 it's so disappointing that 3 years after relegation we didn't have the means to pay £1m for a player without selling £12m plus of players first
In context we paid £2m for Sabiri - he was a project player who barely played, came amid stories he downed tools to force the transfer (clear red flag) and was released for free. That £2m would have paid for Rudoni AND Helik. The waste was shocking
We then got lucky and found a great manager but typical Town we'd found a way to blow it financially so he left for a side with better prospects
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 11:10:01 GMT 1
Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. Corberan's departure preceded the exits of Toffolo and O'Brien by a fortnight. And do you think he wasn’t aware they were going? |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 12, 2024 11:23:30 GMT 1
Corberan's departure preceded the exits of Toffolo and O'Brien by a fortnight. And do you think he wasn’t aware they were going? Well he should have been, seeing as though O'Brien was always going to leave in the event of us not going up. Imagine if a Town manager resigned every time we sold a decent player... |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 12, 2024 11:25:03 GMT 1
Whatever the reason it's pretty sad. When you think of the 6 sides who finished 1-6 in 21/22 season. 5 of them are now in the Premier League We nearly went down last year and are at risk again When you think of the money written off on those woeful Premier League signings in 2018 it's so disappointing that 3 years after relegation we didn't have the means to pay £1m for a player without selling £12m plus of players first In context we paid £2m for Sabiri - he was a project player who barely played, came amid stories he downed tools to force the transfer (clear red flag) and was released for free. That £2m would have paid for Rudoni AND Helik. The waste was shocking We then got lucky and found a great manager but typical Town we'd found a way to blow it financially so he left for a side with better prospectsHe (supposedly) left for a Champions League side. Do you really think he'd have stayed if we'd have spent a couple of million in that window? Seriously? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 12, 2024 11:36:54 GMT 1
Whatever the reason it's pretty sad. When you think of the 6 sides who finished 1-6 in 21/22 season. 5 of them are now in the Premier League We nearly went down last year and are at risk again When you think of the money written off on those woeful Premier League signings in 2018 it's so disappointing that 3 years after relegation we didn't have the means to pay £1m for a player without selling £12m plus of players first In context we paid £2m for Sabiri - he was a project player who barely played, came amid stories he downed tools to force the transfer (clear red flag) and was released for free. That £2m would have paid for Rudoni AND Helik. The waste was shocking We then got lucky and found a great manager but typical Town we'd found a way to blow it financially so he left for a side with better prospects The 'way we found' was that we couldn't just magic money up out of thin air. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 11:44:58 GMT 1
Whatever the reason it's pretty sad. When you think of the 6 sides who finished 1-6 in 21/22 season. 5 of them are now in the Premier League We nearly went down last year and are at risk again When you think of the money written off on those woeful Premier League signings in 2018 it's so disappointing that 3 years after relegation we didn't have the means to pay £1m for a player without selling £12m plus of players first In context we paid £2m for Sabiri - he was a project player who barely played, came amid stories he downed tools to force the transfer (clear red flag) and was released for free. That £2m would have paid for Rudoni AND Helik. The waste was shocking We then got lucky and found a great manager but typical Town we'd found a way to blow it financially so he left for a side with better prospectsHe (supposedly) left for a Champions League side. Do you really think he'd have stayed if we'd have spent a couple of million in that window? Seriously? We will never know. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 12, 2024 11:47:53 GMT 1
He (supposedly) left for a Champions League side. Do you really think he'd have stayed if we'd have spent a couple of million in that window? Seriously? We will never know. Suppose it's like a couple of years ago when some fans thought Aaron Mooy was going to choose us over Celtic  |
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