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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 12, 2024 11:54:08 GMT 1
Whatever the reason it's pretty sad. When you think of the 6 sides who finished 1-6 in 21/22 season. 5 of them are now in the Premier League We nearly went down last year and are at risk again When you think of the money written off on those woeful Premier League signings in 2018 it's so disappointing that 3 years after relegation we didn't have the means to pay £1m for a player without selling £12m plus of players first In context we paid £2m for Sabiri - he was a project player who barely played, came amid stories he downed tools to force the transfer (clear red flag) and was released for free. That £2m would have paid for Rudoni AND Helik. The waste was shocking We then got lucky and found a great manager but typical Town we'd found a way to blow it financially so he left for a side with better prospectsHe (supposedly) left for a Champions League side. Do you really think he'd have stayed if we'd have spent a couple of million in that window? Seriously? I think if we'd shown ambition similar to Luton or higher he would have. If he wanted to walk he would have days after the play offs We missed out on Fleming (Millwall), Morris (Luton) and a few others. It wasn't good enough and I don't blame him for looking what was out there because he wasn't getting supported Coventry missed out last summer. Lost key players. Reinvested and kept the manager and look solid again I think if we had done the same he'd have stuck around Truth is only CC knows |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 12, 2024 11:58:00 GMT 1
He (supposedly) left for a Champions League side. Do you really think he'd have stayed if we'd have spent a couple of million in that window? Seriously? I think if we'd shown ambition similar to Luton or higher he would have. If he wanted to walk he would have days after the play offsWe missed out on Fleming (Millwall), Morris (Luton) and a few others. It wasn't good enough and I don't blame him for looking what was out there because he wasn't getting supported Coventry missed out last summer. Lost key players. Reinvested and kept the manager and look solid again I think if we had done the same he'd have stuck around Truth is only CC knows He'd already walked earlier in the season!!! |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 12, 2024 12:02:40 GMT 1
Whatever the reason it's pretty sad. When you think of the 6 sides who finished 1-6 in 21/22 season. 5 of them are now in the Premier League We nearly went down last year and are at risk again When you think of the money written off on those woeful Premier League signings in 2018 it's so disappointing that 3 years after relegation we didn't have the means to pay £1m for a player without selling £12m plus of players first In context we paid £2m for Sabiri - he was a project player who barely played, came amid stories he downed tools to force the transfer (clear red flag) and was released for free. That £2m would have paid for Rudoni AND Helik. The waste was shocking We then got lucky and found a great manager but typical Town we'd found a way to blow it financially so he left for a side with better prospects The 'way we found' was that we couldn't just magic money up out of thin air. We did in the Premier League - what was the bank loan in 2019. £30m? In context according to the Examiner we paid £1m on bank loan interest and a further £1.6m on other loan interest. So £2.6m in interest in 20/21 - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-profit-financial-accounts-23562373I mean it's water under the bridge but to say we made quarter of a billion from our two years in the PL we should have been a lot better off - yet there we were two years after relegation, paying £2.6m in loan interest and trading in freebies (Ward, Rhodes, Lees, Turton, Pearson, Nichols, Russel), loanees (Colville, Sinnai), developing young players (LOB, High, Schofield) and small fees (Thomas). What CC did was frankly remarkable as that transfer budget belongs in League One |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 12, 2024 12:04:37 GMT 1
I think if we'd shown ambition similar to Luton or higher he would have. If he wanted to walk he would have days after the play offsWe missed out on Fleming (Millwall), Morris (Luton) and a few others. It wasn't good enough and I don't blame him for looking what was out there because he wasn't getting supported Coventry missed out last summer. Lost key players. Reinvested and kept the manager and look solid again I think if we had done the same he'd have stuck around Truth is only CC knows He'd already walked earlier in the season!!! He walked just after preseason started - which is sh*t and why he gets grief I think he wanted to see if he would be backed. When it was apparent he wouldn't he had his head turned by a better offer We have different views |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 12, 2024 12:12:14 GMT 1
He'd already walked earlier in the season!!! He walked just after preseason started - which is sh*t and why he gets grief I think he wanted to see if he would be backed. When it was apparent he wouldn't he had his head turned by a better offer We have different views He did walk in pre-season correct, but he'd also walked out months before after the win against Fulham in February 2022 before changing his mind. Wonder why he did that? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 12, 2024 12:49:49 GMT 1
The 'way we found' was that we couldn't just magic money up out of thin air. We did in the Premier League - what was the bank loan in 2019. £30m? In context according to the Examiner we paid £1m on bank loan interest and a further £1.6m on other loan interest. So £2.6m in interest in 20/21 - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-profit-financial-accounts-23562373I mean it's water under the bridge but to say we made quarter of a billion from our two years in the PL we should have been a lot better off - yet there we were two years after relegation, paying £2.6m in loan interest and trading in freebies (Ward, Rhodes, Lees, Turton, Pearson, Nichols, Russel), loanees (Colville, Sinnai), developing young players (LOB, High, Schofield) and small fees (Thomas). What CC did was frankly remarkable as that transfer budget belongs in League One That was already water under the bridge by the time corboran came here. I was meaning that we didnt find any new ways to financially cock it up..it was just the reality of where we were after the disastrous decisions of 2018. Corboran excelled that season as did Bromby to bring in the players under that budget. It all came together nicely. But CC wasnt staying whatever once we didnt go up. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 12, 2024 13:16:41 GMT 1
He walked just after preseason started - which is sh*t and why he gets grief I think he wanted to see if he would be backed. When it was apparent he wouldn't he had his head turned by a better offer We have different views He did walk in pre-season correct, but he'd also walked out months before after the win against Fulham in February 2022 before changing his mind. Wonder why he did that? Neither of us know to be honest. The other variable around that time was that Dean Hoyle was very keen to sell and it looked like Marcus Evans was buying CC may have been excited by the prospect of new money or worried that a change of owner could mean him wanting his own manager in. Only CC would know There was a lot happening at that time and CC was doing an outstanding job and would have been increasingly aware that people rated him |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 12, 2024 13:22:42 GMT 1
We did in the Premier League - what was the bank loan in 2019. £30m? In context according to the Examiner we paid £1m on bank loan interest and a further £1.6m on other loan interest. So £2.6m in interest in 20/21 - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-profit-financial-accounts-23562373I mean it's water under the bridge but to say we made quarter of a billion from our two years in the PL we should have been a lot better off - yet there we were two years after relegation, paying £2.6m in loan interest and trading in freebies (Ward, Rhodes, Lees, Turton, Pearson, Nichols, Russel), loanees (Colville, Sinnai), developing young players (LOB, High, Schofield) and small fees (Thomas). What CC did was frankly remarkable as that transfer budget belongs in League One That was already water under the bridge by the time corboran came here. I was meaning that we didnt find any new ways to financially cock it up..it was just the reality of where we were after the disastrous decisions of 2018. Corboran excelled that season as did Bromby to bring in the players under that budget. It all came together nicely. But CC wasnt staying whatever once we didnt go up. I think that's the thing. If we'd been more sensible in 2018 we would have been in a far stronger position. Instead we had to find £2.6m a year just in loan interest such was the mess. That's really bad when you think we'd turned over £250,000,000 in the three to four years prior. It is what it is but those decisions left the club hobbled with massive loan interest repayments - I mean £2.6m is a good chunk % of our turnover without parachute payments. I think had we signed Fleming say and a couple more (100% reinvested the LOB/ Toffolo money) then there's a good chance he would have stayed No one really knows. I just think it's strange he waited until preseason to jump if that was intention straight after the season ended |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 12, 2024 16:28:17 GMT 1
I suspect he was waiting for the right offer. The Leeds job he was lined up to get had gone because Jesse Marshe had kept them up on the last day.
If he'd started the season at town and we'd been mid table by September, his stock would start to go down very quickly.
Better to not be in a job than for that to happen...his stock remains high ,particularly if your replacement struggles.
My opinion of him has softened over time. I think he didnt show us any loyalty after we'd shown him plenty...but I think in his line of work you have to strike while the iron is hot and at that time, after finishing 3rd, his was red hot.
He'll have known it could be his one chance to make that leap to a champions league level club...or failing that a great chance to move to a club with big enough support and backing to maintain a good chance he could get to the PL.
We were a stepping stone for him. The way clubs ( us very much included ) hire and fire managers and demand instant improvements or its the door, then I cant really blame managers for focusing on themselves when they are in demand.
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Post by goodbet on Mar 12, 2024 17:43:16 GMT 1
Being a fan of any team, for 60 years in my case, does not mean I am obliged to slavishly and wrongly swallow all the crass decisions and appalling treatment of managers, does it? West Brom outplayed us in the second half, and Corberan out thought Breitenreiter. If you can’t applaud that, that is sad. HTAFC, since the flirtation with the premiership have recruited puppet managers. You reap what you sow. Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. I don't disagree with you but some kept saying that DM just needed better players. I just could not believe that he would have done any better if he had had them. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 12, 2024 18:14:38 GMT 1
Had we kept LOB and Toffolo somehow ( and then not signed Rudoni or helik as we wouldn't have had the money ) then he'd have left anyway. I dont get why people cant see that in CCs mind he'd done with this club..he had long before the PO final..he .had an exceptional season where he'd got them over performing and been very very lucky with injuries...but he was always going to leave whilst his stock was so high. If he stays then even with LOB and Toffs we would probably be mid-table at best..we wouldn't have been as lucky with injuries ( we actually had a terrible injury situation ), players probably wouldn't have over performed again and his chance for the big step up would have gone. He looked at HTFC.. and there wasnt enough to keep him here...we hadnt even come close to selling out at Wembley...the 'owner' who didnt actually own the club was 'only' prepared to lose £5m a year...small potatoes in the championship. Anyone who thinks he'd have stayed if wed kept those two players ( pissing them both off enormously ) when clubs like Olympiacos are wanting him , or any number of other bigger championship clubs, is kidding themselves IMO. How would not leave while your stock was high? What is the point in hanging around a company that is going to the dogs? If redundancies are a possibility no one hangs around unless their payout is worth waiting for, generally the good ones get on their bikes and move on. Mid table would have been a lot better than trying to avoid relegation. As you said there wasn't enough to keep him here, we were, and still are, to a certain extent a basket case of a club. Would he have stayed if we hadn't planned to sell our best two players? As you laid out above we did not have the resources to allow him to replicate what he did, so hanging around would only have harmed his standing. When he was approached we don't know and we can all guess when it was, but for me I don't care when it was. if I was him I would have been on my bike and moving elsewhere rather than standing around at a club only heading downward unless I was a supporter and he definitely was not. Some people would like players and managers to show some loyalty, but there just isn't any in the modern game. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 18:46:30 GMT 1
Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. I don't disagree with you but some kept saying that DM just needed better players. I just could not believe that he would have done any better if he had had them. I don’t disagree regarding DM but the original post, it appeared to me, included Andre in that group of poor managers. Perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 12, 2024 19:26:29 GMT 1
Had we kept LOB and Toffolo somehow ( and then not signed Rudoni or helik as we wouldn't have had the money ) then he'd have left anyway. I dont get why people cant see that in CCs mind he'd done with this club..he had long before the PO final..he .had an exceptional season where he'd got them over performing and been very very lucky with injuries...but he was always going to leave whilst his stock was so high. If he stays then even with LOB and Toffs we would probably be mid-table at best..we wouldn't have been as lucky with injuries ( we actually had a terrible injury situation ), players probably wouldn't have over performed again and his chance for the big step up would have gone. He looked at HTFC.. and there wasnt enough to keep him here...we hadnt even come close to selling out at Wembley...the 'owner' who didnt actually own the club was 'only' prepared to lose £5m a year...small potatoes in the championship. Anyone who thinks he'd have stayed if wed kept those two players ( pissing them both off enormously ) when clubs like Olympiacos are wanting him , or any number of other bigger championship clubs, is kidding themselves IMO. How would not leave while your stock was high? What is the point in hanging around a company that is going to the dogs? If redundancies are a possibility no one hangs around unless their payout is worth waiting for, generally the good ones get on their bikes and move on. Mid table would have been a lot better than trying to avoid relegation. As you said there wasn't enough to keep him here, we were, and still are, to a certain extent a basket case of a club. Would he have stayed if we hadn't planned to sell our best two players? As you laid out above we did not have the resources to allow him to replicate what he did, so hanging around would only have harmed his standing. When he was approached we don't know and we can all guess when it was, but for me I don't care when it was. if I was him I would have been on my bike and moving elsewhere rather than standing around at a club only heading downward unless I was a supporter and he definitely was not. Some people would like players and managers to show some loyalty, but there just isn't any in the modern game. I sort of agree though its a huge exaggeration to suggest we're a basket case of a club. I keep pointing out we're actually in our most successful period in the last 50s years ( 12 years out of the bottom 2 division ) and we perform better than our income would suggest...our income being probably the 2nd lowest in this division. We've made some disappointing managerial appointments lately but were far from alone in that. Im not sure Corboran wouldn't have been trying to avoid relegation had he stayed , even if we'd kept LOB and Toffolo. His track record with coping with lots of injuries was awful the previous season and after he'd gone we went on to have an even worse injury situation for a lot of the season. But IMO he'd already decided he was leaving long before the end of season 21/22 and even if we had gone up, he'd have probably jumped ship as soon as what he thought was a better club came knocking. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 12, 2024 20:26:54 GMT 1
How would not leave while your stock was high? What is the point in hanging around a company that is going to the dogs? If redundancies are a possibility no one hangs around unless their payout is worth waiting for, generally the good ones get on their bikes and move on. Mid table would have been a lot better than trying to avoid relegation. As you said there wasn't enough to keep him here, we were, and still are, to a certain extent a basket case of a club. Would he have stayed if we hadn't planned to sell our best two players? As you laid out above we did not have the resources to allow him to replicate what he did, so hanging around would only have harmed his standing. When he was approached we don't know and we can all guess when it was, but for me I don't care when it was. if I was him I would have been on my bike and moving elsewhere rather than standing around at a club only heading downward unless I was a supporter and he definitely was not. Some people would like players and managers to show some loyalty, but there just isn't any in the modern game. I sort of agree though its a huge exaggeration to suggest we're a basket case of a club. I keep pointing out we're actually in our most successful period in the last 50s years ( 12 years out of the bottom 2 division ) and we perform better than our income would suggest...our income being probably the 2nd lowest in this division. We've made some disappointing managerial appointments lately but were far from alone in that. Im not sure Corboran wouldn't have been trying to avoid relegation had he stayed , even if we'd kept LOB and Toffolo. His track record with coping with lots of injuries was awful the previous season and after he'd gone we went on to have an even worse injury situation for a lot of the season. But IMO he'd already decided he was leaving long before the end of season 21/22 and even if we had gone up, he'd have probably jumped ship as soon as what he thought was a better club came knocking. How else could we be described. Since the second season in the Premiership we have be in a steady decline apart from one season under Corboran. We kept selling our better players and replacing them with lower league prospects that took a season to get up to speed. Our management under different ownerships have made some very poor decisions. You only have to look at the managers we have employed and the transfers we have made and not covered the positions where we were short as a team. How would you describe the running of the club and its current state. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 13, 2024 9:25:44 GMT 1
I sort of agree though its a huge exaggeration to suggest we're a basket case of a club. I keep pointing out we're actually in our most successful period in the last 50s years ( 12 years out of the bottom 2 division ) and we perform better than our income would suggest...our income being probably the 2nd lowest in this division. We've made some disappointing managerial appointments lately but were far from alone in that. Im not sure Corboran wouldn't have been trying to avoid relegation had he stayed , even if we'd kept LOB and Toffolo. His track record with coping with lots of injuries was awful the previous season and after he'd gone we went on to have an even worse injury situation for a lot of the season. But IMO he'd already decided he was leaving long before the end of season 21/22 and even if we had gone up, he'd have probably jumped ship as soon as what he thought was a better club came knocking. How else could we be described. Since the second season in the Premiership we have be in a steady decline apart from one season under Corboran. We kept selling our better players and replacing them with lower league prospects that took a season to get up to speed. Our management under different ownerships have made some very poor decisions. You only have to look at the managers we have employed and the transfers we have made and not covered the positions where we were short as a team. How would you describe the running of the club and its current state. Not wanting to interrupt your debate with Cap (glad to see you're both being civil, you're not even new to DATM  ) but I'd agree with him that we're not quite a basket case, I'd probably say shambolic was a closer, more apt description. I'd use basket case for clubs like Reading, Bury and the like personally. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 13, 2024 11:30:50 GMT 1
How else could we be described. Since the second season in the Premiership we have be in a steady decline apart from one season under Corboran. We kept selling our better players and replacing them with lower league prospects that took a season to get up to speed. Our management under different ownerships have made some very poor decisions. You only have to look at the managers we have employed and the transfers we have made and not covered the positions where we were short as a team. How would you describe the running of the club and its current state. Not wanting to interrupt your debate with Cap (glad to see you're both being civil, you're not even new to DATM ) but I'd agree with him that we're not quite a basket case, I'd probably say shambolic was a closer, more apt description. I'd use basket case for clubs like Reading, Bury and the like personally. I can go with that description.  |
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Post by blackmoreisgod on Mar 13, 2024 13:31:58 GMT 1
Not wanting to interrupt your debate with Cap (glad to see you're both being civil, you're not even new to DATM ) but I'd agree with him that we're not quite a basket case, I'd probably say shambolic was a closer, more apt description. I'd use basket case for clubs like Reading, Bury and the like personally. I can go with that description. how about settling for one of the worst run clubs in the championship? |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 13, 2024 14:19:24 GMT 1
I can go with that description. how about settling for one of the worst run clubs in the championship? I can't think of another that would come even close. I will admit though that I have not followed the other clubs as closely as I have Towns. |
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Post by baggie192 on Mar 13, 2024 14:22:51 GMT 1
Being a fan of any team, for 60 years in my case, does not mean I am obliged to slavishly and wrongly swallow all the crass decisions and appalling treatment of managers, does it? West Brom outplayed us in the second half, and Corberan out thought Breitenreiter. If you can’t applaud that, that is sad. HTAFC, since the flirtation with the premiership have recruited puppet managers. You reap what you sow. Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. Hello as my name says I'm a Baggie. I read some comments on almost slagging Carlos for leaving for not being backed. This is an insight into what had to put up at ours. Since CC came we've spent £1.3m on ONE player Jayson Mulumby We've had to sell £9.3m of players such as O'shea and Taylor-Hickman for last two windows all incoming have been loans. Okay Yokuslu only came back as family's here and took a pay cut. Lai was Bleeding us dry to finance his other company. Something must have happened between him and your board. CC could've walked but hasn't He certainly hasn't had a budget. Anyway I hope blues go down and you stay up Best wishes Baggs |
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Post by blackmoreisgod on Mar 13, 2024 14:28:13 GMT 1
how about settling for one of the worst run clubs in the championship? I can't think of another that would come even close. I will admit though that I have not followed the other clubs as closely as I have Towns. I hesistated to say the worst due to what's gone on at Wednesday which is admittedly a very low bar |
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Post by Jimuano on Mar 13, 2024 14:32:44 GMT 1
Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. Hello as my name says I'm a Baggie. I read some comments on almost slagging Carlos for leaving for not being backed. This is an insight into what had to put up at ours. Since CC came we've spent £1.3m on ONE player Jayson Mulumby We've had to sell £9.3m of players such as O'shea and Taylor-Hickman for last two windows all incoming have been loans. Okay Yokuslu only came back as family's here and took a pay cut. Lai was Bleeding us dry to finance his other company. Something must have happened between him and your board. CC could've walked but hasn't He certainly hasn't had a budget. Anyway I hope blues go down and you stay up Best wishes Baggs no better jobs to move to at the moment maybe. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Mar 13, 2024 14:42:09 GMT 1
Hello as my name says I'm a Baggie. I read some comments on almost slagging Carlos for leaving for not being backed. This is an insight into what had to put up at ours. Since CC came we've spent £1.3m on ONE player Jayson Mulumby We've had to sell £9.3m of players such as O'shea and Taylor-Hickman for last two windows all incoming have been loans. Okay Yokuslu only came back as family's here and took a pay cut. Lai was Bleeding us dry to finance his other company. Something must have happened between him and your board. CC could've walked but hasn't He certainly hasn't had a budget. Anyway I hope blues go down and you stay up Best wishes Baggs no better jobs to move to at the moment maybe. I think so. There wasn't a better option available for him when appointed either, especially as things didn't go well for him in Greece. He has done a good job with WBA, they were near the bottom of the table when he joined last season and he had them pushing for the playoffs by the end of it. Despite not being able to spend much in the last 2 or 3 seasons West Brom's squad has more quality than ours does, as proven on Sunday afternoon. He's working with more than he had at Town. I could see him taking them up. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2024 0:27:24 GMT 1
Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. Hello as my name says I'm a Baggie. I read some comments on almost slagging Carlos for leaving for not being backed. This is an insight into what had to put up at ours. Since CC came we've spent £1.3m on ONE player Jayson Mulumby We've had to sell £9.3m of players such as O'shea and Taylor-Hickman for last two windows all incoming have been loans. Okay Yokuslu only came back as family's here and took a pay cut. Lai was Bleeding us dry to finance his other company. Something must have happened between him and your board. CC could've walked but hasn't He certainly hasn't had a budget. Anyway I hope blues go down and you stay up Best wishes Baggs He worked really hard here for 2 seasons, one the COVID season, and got us to the playoffs. He did this with a poor squad. I don’t know if he had received guarantees that we would strengthen but he left it quite late to quit, when the players were back for preseason, so he must have been let down in some way. Also the board let him go without a murmur and he was still under contract. People have surmised he had his eye on the Olypiacos job but it wasn’t vacant at the time unless he was tapped up before the other guy went. We don’t know what happened but I think if he had been supported he would have stayed. Your squad is much stronger than ours was then so he maybe feels he can still get promotion with you and it is worth hanging in, also quitting two clubs is not good for his reputation. Good luck with your promotion push. |
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Post by utttrooper on Mar 14, 2024 0:43:06 GMT 1
no better jobs to move to at the moment maybe. I think so. There wasn't a better option available for him when appointed either, especially as things didn't go well for him in Greece. He has done a good job with WBA, they were near the bottom of the table when he joined last season and he had them pushing for the playoffs by the end of it. Despite not being able to spend much in the last 2 or 3 seasons West Brom's squad has more quality than ours does, as proven on Sunday afternoon. He's working with more than he had at Town. I could see him taking them up. The improvement from being bottom shouldn't be noted in what good things he has done. They literally had fucking Steve Bruce in charge before him |
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Post by utttrooper on Mar 14, 2024 0:45:49 GMT 1
That was already water under the bridge by the time corboran came here. I was meaning that we didnt find any new ways to financially cock it up..it was just the reality of where we were after the disastrous decisions of 2018. Corboran excelled that season as did Bromby to bring in the players under that budget. It all came together nicely. But CC wasnt staying whatever once we didnt go up. I think that's the thing. If we'd been more sensible in 2018 we would have been in a far stronger position. Instead we had to find £2.6m a year just in loan interest such was the mess. That's really bad when you think we'd turned over £250,000,000 in the three to four years prior. It is what it is but those decisions left the club hobbled with massive loan interest repayments - I mean £2.6m is a good chunk % of our turnover without parachute payments. I think had we signed Fleming say and a couple more (100% reinvested the LOB/ Toffolo money) then there's a good chance he would have stayed No one really knows. I just think it's strange he waited until preseason to jump if that was intention straight after the season ended The worst thing about him leaving then is that it left us with little time to get a new manager in other than Scoffa because most free agents would have been snaffled up and nobody is really leaving their club at that point of preseason |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 14, 2024 1:20:53 GMT 1
I sort of agree though its a huge exaggeration to suggest we're a basket case of a club. I keep pointing out we're actually in our most successful period in the last 50s years ( 12 years out of the bottom 2 division ) and we perform better than our income would suggest...our income being probably the 2nd lowest in this division. We've made some disappointing managerial appointments lately but were far from alone in that. Im not sure Corboran wouldn't have been trying to avoid relegation had he stayed , even if we'd kept LOB and Toffolo. His track record with coping with lots of injuries was awful the previous season and after he'd gone we went on to have an even worse injury situation for a lot of the season. But IMO he'd already decided he was leaving long before the end of season 21/22 and even if we had gone up, he'd have probably jumped ship as soon as what he thought was a better club came knocking. How else could we be described. Since the second season in the Premiership we have be in a steady decline apart from one season under Corboran. We kept selling our better players and replacing them with lower league prospects that took a season to get up to speed. Our management under different ownerships have made some very poor decisions. You only have to look at the managers we have employed and the transfers we have made and not covered the positions where we were short as a team. How would you describe the running of the club and its current state. Obviously mistakes have been made but that happens at all the clubs who are struggling near the foot of the table. They arent all 'basket cases'....theyre just clubs that are struggling because they made mistakes...and thats how id describe us at the moment. But regardless, it seems a ridiculous over-exaggeration to describe a club as a basket case when its in its best spell for over half a century! If, as I strongly suspect, we have the second lowest income in the division, why should we expect to be anywhere but near the bottom end? We dont have a devine right to be successful just because we have been in the recent past. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 14, 2024 1:27:27 GMT 1
Why did Coberan leave? Lack of investment and a poor squad which became worse when Toffolo & O’Brien went. Andre has inherited a poor squad who make up for lack of ability with hard work but when you come up against a better group of players that only gets you so far. Town have made mistakes with managerial appointments but that doesn’t mean Breitenreiter is one of those. He needs better players. Hello as my name says I'm a Baggie. I read some comments on almost slagging Carlos for leaving for not being backed. This is an insight into what had to put up at ours. Since CC came we've spent £1.3m on ONE player Jayson Mulumby We've had to sell £9.3m of players such as O'shea and Taylor-Hickman for last two windows all incoming have been loans. Okay Yokuslu only came back as family's here and took a pay cut. Lai was Bleeding us dry to finance his other company. Something must have happened between him and your board. CC could've walked but hasn't He certainly hasn't had a budget. Anyway I hope blues go down and you stay up Best wishes Baggs I thought that was the situation at yours. The owner being what he is and parachute payments ending. Corborans probably learned from what happened here in that you can leave a club where you are very popular for a bigger job, and find yourself out on your arse in no time at all, as he did at Olympiacos. His stock isnt as high now as it was at the end of 21/22 and WBA are a bigger club than town. I doubt hes getting any offers from higher up or bigger clubs than WBA to even tempt him. If he takes WBA up, that will probably change. |
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Post by baggie192 on Mar 14, 2024 14:04:26 GMT 1
Hello as my name says I'm a Baggie. I read some comments on almost slagging Carlos for leaving for not being backed. This is an insight into what had to put up at ours. Since CC came we've spent £1.3m on ONE player Jayson Mulumby We've had to sell £9.3m of players such as O'shea and Taylor-Hickman for last two windows all incoming have been loans. Okay Yokuslu only came back as family's here and took a pay cut. Lai was Bleeding us dry to finance his other company. Something must have happened between him and your board. CC could've walked but hasn't He certainly hasn't had a budget. Anyway I hope blues go down and you stay up Best wishes Baggs He worked really hard here for 2 seasons, one the COVID season, and got us to the playoffs. He did this with a poor squad. I don’t know if he had received guarantees that we would strengthen but he left it quite late to quit, when the players were back for preseason, so he must have been let down in some way. Also the board let him go without a murmur and he was still under contract. People have surmised he had his eye on the Olypiacos job but it wasn’t vacant at the time unless he was tapped up before the other guy went. We don’t know what happened but I think if he had been supported he would have stayed. Your squad is much stronger than ours was then so he maybe feels he can still get promotion with you and it is worth hanging in, also quitting two clubs is not good for his reputation. Good luck with your promotion push. Thanks for the explaination Not doing a johnny BigB*llocks bilic took us up and that's when Lai really started draining the club. In his 8 years at the club Lai paid 200m for we were in the black he sold it for £20m with Mr Patel paying off £40m of debt. If lai had stayed we would be in admin in the summer. Last Summer, Leeds wanted Corberan, but, he stayed He knew we didn't have a pot to pee in to me he seems loyal. As for huddersfield the fans should look towards a Community protection order for the stadium if you go down. Best Wishes Baggs
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) but I'd agree with him that we're not quite a basket case, I'd probably say shambolic was a closer, more apt description.
