Perm 2 from 8 - but which club deserves to go down?

[+Transformed+]

We are not alone - here are the comments of a Birmingham City supporter after his club's defeat last night (copied from the BBC Sport website) :-


"Born losers, every one of those players. We will almost certainly go down this season, it's the only way to clear out the deadwood, and there's plenty to clear out. Absolute garbage, one shot on target all night. Cardiff hadn't kept a clean sheet in their last six games! These players deserve relegation, but the fans don't. They're going out with a whimper, and they just don't seem to care."



Queens Park Rangers
Millwall
Blackburn Rovers 
Stoke City
Plymouth Argyle
Town
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Sheffield Wednesday
Birmingham City

All big clubs, with proud histories and supporters going through hell at the moment (exactly like us).

Of that list of eight, I think the two with the most self-inflicted reasons for where they find themselves at the moment are Birmingham and (regrettably) us.  

Four 'cup finals' left for each club.  Come on Town!

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Town and Birmingham have been hanging around the bottom of the table like unflushable turds now for the last god knows how many years, aside from our play off season, which doesn't seem in keeping with the year on year trend of the league finishes. Probably both deserve it if truth be known.

[jim100]

Us and Birmingham. Wednesday have enough about them to survive

[digs]

I think it would be harsh if Plymouth went down,,the rest are all shite and deserve it

[colnevalleyblue]

Apr 11, 2024 12:16:54 GMT 1 jim100 said:

Us and Birmingham. Wednesday have enough about them to survive

Yes I agree.

Wednesday look to have the more winnable games than other teams down at the bottom and since Rohl came in they have really improved on where they were. They must have spent more time than anyone in the bottom three this season but are now within a whisker away of getting out of it, just can't see them getting as close as they have from so far away and then it falling away. If you look at their celebrations after games/ fans mood then they are all very much behind the players, the mood and attitude seems to be right.

Us and Birmingham on the other hand is a different matter!

I think we'll get 3 more points, 4 points at the most, which I cannot see being enough. If we were level on points with Plymouth, Stoke, Blackburn I think it probably would have been but we aren't.

[gledholt terrier]

Apr 11, 2024 12:39:22 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Apr 11, 2024 12:16:54 GMT 1 jim100 said:

Us and Birmingham. Wednesday have enough about them to survive

Yes I agree.

Wednesday look to have the more winnable games than other teams down at the bottom and since Rohl came in they have really improved on where they were. They must have spent more time than anyone in the bottom three this season but are now within a whisker away of getting out of it, just can't see them getting as close as they have from so far away and then it falling away. If you look at their celebrations after games/ fans mood then they are all very much behind the players, the mood and attitude seems to be right.

Us and Birmingham on the other hand is a different matter!

I think we'll get 3 more points, 4 points at the most, which I cannot see being enough. If we were level on points with Plymouth, Stoke, Blackburn I think it probably would have been but we aren't.

Wednesday have been in the bottom 3 since 12th August.

[sapphireblue]

The only teams that "deserve" to go down, will go down.
That is the beauty of the mathematics of league tables.

[HuddsTerrier]

Given Town earned over a quarter of billion pounds in the last 7 years from being in the Premier League - and yet we play in a run down bankrupt 30 year old stadium which we only own 40% and our previous owner I believe still owns the training ground (so basically no assets other than the players) then you'd struggle to find a bigger shambles

We deserved to go down last year. Warnock saved us and was then bulleted before the clocks went back (after being allowed to bring in his own team)

We sell players like Holmes for peanuts and sign a crock like Wiles for seven figures. That just sums up the transfer window for me

Since we lost the play off final we've gone through Corberan (walked), Schofield (sacked), Fotheringham (sacked), Warnock (sacked), Moore (sacked) and now AB who is hardly doing a great job. That's 6 permanent managers in 22 months.

Contrast to a well run club like Plymouth

I'm not saying we will go down but we've been a utter circus now for years

[royrace]

Birmingham with their Billy big balls owners, Tom Brady, getting rid of a good manager for no reason and replacing him with a name for the second time in recent history. They deserve it.

QPR over spending, getting away with it and relying on a convicted criminal to save them on the pitch, also deserve it.

Millwall for thinking they were better than regular top half finishes and Gary Rowett!

... And us it course for obvious reasons. Mainly killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

[Ibiza Town]

Apr 11, 2024 12:01:24 GMT 1 +Transformed+ said:

We are not alone - here are the comments of a Birmingham City supporter after his club's defeat last night (copied from the BBC Sport website) :-


"Born losers, every one of those players. We will almost certainly go down this season, it's the only way to clear out the deadwood, and there's plenty to clear out. Absolute garbage, one shot on target all night. Cardiff hadn't kept a clean sheet in their last six games! These players deserve relegation, but the fans don't. They're going out with a whimper, and they just don't seem to care."



Queens Park Rangers
Millwall
Blackburn Rovers 
Stoke City
Plymouth Argyle
Town
-----------------------
Sheffield Wednesday
Birmingham City

All big clubs, with proud histories and supporters going through hell at the moment (exactly like us).

Of that list of eight, I think the two with the most self-inflicted reasons for where they find themselves at the moment are Birmingham and (regrettably) us.  

Four 'cup finals' left for each club.  Come on Town!

For me it will be 

Rotherham
Plymouth 
Us or Brum (depending on who wins on the 27th, a draw and Brum take it)

Massive will be ok

[rockwall]

The clubs that finish in the bottom 3 deserve to go down.

End of thread.

[drewden]

Stoke and Birmingham to go down, not us.

[joburgjon]

Apr 11, 2024 14:12:22 GMT 1 HuddsTerrier said:

Given Town earned over a quarter of billion pounds in the last 7 years from being in the Premier League - and yet we play in a run down bankrupt 30 year old stadium which we only own 40% and our previous owner I believe still owns the training ground (so basically no assets other than the players) then you'd struggle to find a bigger shambles

We deserved to go down last year. Warnock saved us and was then bulleted before the clocks went back (after being allowed to bring in his own team)

We sell players like Holmes for peanuts and sign a crock like Wiles for seven figures. That just sums up the transfer window for me

Since we lost the play off final we've gone through Corberan (walked), Schofield (sacked), Fotheringham (sacked), Warnock (sacked), Moore (sacked) and now AB who is hardly doing a great job. That's 6 permanent managers in 22 months.

Contrast to a well run club like Plymouth

I'm not saying we will go down but we've been a utter circus now for years

Remind me again who's decision it was to sell Holmes and sign Wiles?

“We all wish Duane the best of luck at his new club.

“He’s been very unlucky with injuries since I came back to Huddersfield, so I’ve not been able to work with him that much. We have good competition for places in that area of the pitch and his departure gives us more flexibility in the market this summer, too."

“We wanted to bring in another midfield player during this window, but I look at the likes of Jack Rudoni and David Kasumu, and I didn’t feel the need to sign someone who didn’t improve on what we have backing them up.

“That’s why we’ve been very patient to get Ben, and I’m delighted to get him on board.

"I’ve watched Ben for the last couple of seasons and I think he’s been outstanding. I also think there’s a lot more to come from him as he’s at a good age; he can take everything on board and progress. I’m looking forward to working with him.”


And people still think the summer transfer window was all down to Cartwright and not Warnock.

[HuddsTerrier]

Apr 11, 2024 15:01:45 GMT 1 joburgjon said:

Apr 11, 2024 14:12:22 GMT 1 HuddsTerrier said:

Given Town earned over a quarter of billion pounds in the last 7 years from being in the Premier League - and yet we play in a run down bankrupt 30 year old stadium which we only own 40% and our previous owner I believe still owns the training ground (so basically no assets other than the players) then you'd struggle to find a bigger shambles

We deserved to go down last year. Warnock saved us and was then bulleted before the clocks went back (after being allowed to bring in his own team)

We sell players like Holmes for peanuts and sign a crock like Wiles for seven figures. That just sums up the transfer window for me

Since we lost the play off final we've gone through Corberan (walked), Schofield (sacked), Fotheringham (sacked), Warnock (sacked), Moore (sacked) and now AB who is hardly doing a great job. That's 6 permanent managers in 22 months.

Contrast to a well run club like Plymouth

I'm not saying we will go down but we've been a utter circus now for years

Remind me again who's decision it was to sell Holmes and sign Wiles?

“We all wish Duane the best of luck at his new club.

“He’s been very unlucky with injuries since I came back to Huddersfield, so I’ve not been able to work with him that much. We have good competition for places in that area of the pitch and his departure gives us more flexibility in the market this summer, too."

“We wanted to bring in another midfield player during this window, but I look at the likes of Jack Rudoni and David Kasumu, and I didn’t feel the need to sign someone who didn’t improve on what we have backing them up.

“That’s why we’ve been very patient to get Ben, and I’m delighted to get him on board.

"I’ve watched Ben for the last couple of seasons and I think he’s been outstanding. I also think there’s a lot more to come from him as he’s at a good age; he can take everything on board and progress. I’m looking forward to working with him.”


And people still think the summer transfer window was all down to Cartwright and not Warnock.

I don't doubt that was Warnocks decision on Holmes. I also think losing Clement and Nacho as coaches was a shame (again Warnock)

I used it to illustrate the retrograding of the club - selling a Championship performer for a small fee and finding a poorer player for a seven figure fee

I do think had we kept Warnock though we'd have at least half a dozen more points and not be stressing over relegation. So they gave Warnock carte blanc and then days later - and after the transfer window closed - decided to make a change. Regardless of the reasons it's was another in a long sequence of clusterf*cks by the club stretching back now to 2018

[rockwall]

Apr 11, 2024 14:48:42 GMT 1 drewden said:

Stoke and Birmingham to go down, not us.

I'd put Blackburn before Stoke looking at their fixtures.

[joburgjon]

Apr 11, 2024 15:07:37 GMT 1 HuddsTerrier said:

Apr 11, 2024 15:01:45 GMT 1 joburgjon said:

Remind me again who's decision it was to sell Holmes and sign Wiles?

“We all wish Duane the best of luck at his new club.

“He’s been very unlucky with injuries since I came back to Huddersfield, so I’ve not been able to work with him that much. We have good competition for places in that area of the pitch and his departure gives us more flexibility in the market this summer, too."

“We wanted to bring in another midfield player during this window, but I look at the likes of Jack Rudoni and David Kasumu, and I didn’t feel the need to sign someone who didn’t improve on what we have backing them up.

“That’s why we’ve been very patient to get Ben, and I’m delighted to get him on board.

"I’ve watched Ben for the last couple of seasons and I think he’s been outstanding. I also think there’s a lot more to come from him as he’s at a good age; he can take everything on board and progress. I’m looking forward to working with him.”


And people still think the summer transfer window was all down to Cartwright and not Warnock.

I don't doubt that was Warnocks decision on Holmes. I also think losing Clement and Nacho as coaches was a shame (again Warnock)

I used it to illustrate the retrograding of the club - selling a Championship performer for a small fee and finding a poorer player for a seven figure fee

I do think had we kept Warnock though we'd have at least half a dozen more points and not be stressing over relegation. So they gave Warnock carte blanc and then days later - and after the transfer window closed - decided to make a change. Regardless of the reasons it's was another in a long sequence of clusterf*cks by the club stretching back now to 2018

Agreed, whilst I understand the reasons as to why they let NW go. I think he should have stayed for a few months more and get us into a better position pre Xmas.

[sabailand]

Then teams who deserve to go down are those in the bottom three at the end of the season, if a club (like us) have skated on thin ice numerous times but escaped then good for us/them, for me its all about who i want to go down and thats Massive and probably Birmingham.

[sapphireblue]

(Cold hard facts)

Under NW we were just outside the relegation zone.
Under DM we stayed just outside the relegation zone.
Under AB we are just outside the relegation zone.

(Now the opinion)
Maybe that's just how good we are.

[rocky]

Apr 11, 2024 14:12:22 GMT 1 HuddsTerrier said:

Given Town earned over a quarter of billion pounds in the last 7 years from being in the Premier League - and yet we play in a run down bankrupt 30 year old stadium which we only own 40% and our previous owner I believe still owns the training ground (so basically no assets other than the players) then you'd struggle to find a bigger shambles

We deserved to go down last year. Warnock saved us and was then bulleted before the clocks went back (after being allowed to bring in his own team)

We sell players like Holmes for peanuts and sign a crock like Wiles for seven figures. That just sums up the transfer window for me

Since we lost the play off final we've gone through Corberan (walked), Schofield (sacked), Fotheringham (sacked), Warnock (sacked), Moore (sacked) and now AB who is hardly doing a great job. That's 6 permanent managers in 22 months.

Contrast to a well run club like Plymouth

I'm not saying we will go down but we've been a utter circus now for years

‘We deserved to go down last season’ - Sorry but that’s just absurd. We finished 18th last year, out of 24. That means SIX clubs were worse than us over the course of the season. The bottom 3 of those 6 were the ones who deserved to go down.

[Junior & Onuora]

Apr 11, 2024 16:55:08 GMT 1 sabailand said:

Then teams who deserve to go down are those in the bottom three at the end of the season, if a club (like us) have skated on thin ice numerous times but escaped then good for us/them, for me its all about who i want to go down and thats Massive and probably Birmingham.

And let's say we and Wednesday or Birmingham go down. And then one of Derby and Bolton don't go up. Then I'm not seeing us bouncing back anytime soon.

I've been saying for months that Wednesday will finish above us. Talking to their fans, there is a real togetherness with the manager and team. I think the feel good factor their late equaliser will give them from earlier this week means that they'll stay up.

[mallyb]

Apr 11, 2024 12:39:22 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Apr 11, 2024 12:16:54 GMT 1 jim100 said:

Us and Birmingham. Wednesday have enough about them to survive

Yes I agree.

Wednesday look to have the more winnable games than other teams down at the bottom and since Rohl came in they have really improved on where they were. They must have spent more time than anyone in the bottom three this season but are now within a whisker away of getting out of it, just can't see them getting as close as they have from so far away and then it falling away. If you look at their celebrations after games/ fans mood then they are all very much behind the players, the mood and attitude seems to be right.

Us and Birmingham on the other hand is a different matter!

I think we'll get 3 more points, 4 points at the most, which I cannot see being enough. If we were level on points with Plymouth, Stoke, Blackburn I think it probably would have been but we aren't.

Are you kidding? Wednesday had just come back from 2 down, you are comparing that crowd reaction to ours after us loosing 4-1 at Preston? Compare it to Saturday, we looked like we were behind the team.

[crux]

Birmingham have taken something like 24 points from the last 31 games. I think someone posted on the BBC after last night's game they had 18 points from 11 when they appointed Rooney. They will do well to stay up, but they do play us 🤣.

Depending on which Blackburn turn up, they could finish the season without getting another point.

We could get anywhere between 0 and 7 points. At half-time on Tuesday we'd have said 7, by full-time 2 or 3 at most!

I hope Bristol scored all their goals in Wednesday night and we sneak a draw on Saturday. Ideally we want to go into the Swansea game still outside the bottom 3 and then put Swansea under pressure with a high press.

If pushed I think we will stay up by relegating Birmingham and it will be up to Plymouth and/or Sheffield Wednesday to try and overtake Blackburn to stay up.

[mallyb]

Apr 11, 2024 14:12:22 GMT 1 HuddsTerrier said:

Given Town earned over a quarter of billion pounds in the last 7 years from being in the Premier League - and yet we play in a run down bankrupt 30 year old stadium which we only own 40% and our previous owner I believe still owns the training ground (so basically no assets other than the players) then you'd struggle to find a bigger shambles

We deserved to go down last year. Warnock saved us and was then bulleted before the clocks went back (after being allowed to bring in his own team)

We sell players like Holmes for peanuts and sign a crock like Wiles for seven figures. That just sums up the transfer window for me

Since we lost the play off final we've gone through Corberan (walked), Schofield (sacked), Fotheringham (sacked), Warnock (sacked), Moore (sacked) and now AB who is hardly doing a great job. That's 6 permanent managers in 22 months.

Contrast to a well run club like Plymouth

I'm not saying we will go down but we've been a utter circus now for years

Well run club like Plymouth? Spent a few million last summer on players when we couldn't. On their 3rd Manager this season like us.

Warnock is the reason he didn't last longer, like he didn't at Aberdeen. He is also the reason we got rid of Holmes and brought in the injured Wiles. He was never going to last the season so we were always going to have 2 managers this season and I don't think the club could give Moore anymore time if they wanted a chance to survive.

[workshyfop]

Blackburn play Wednesday at home. Bit like our game against Birmingham, it could decide if they stay up or go down. One win would give them 49 points and a comparatively decent goal difference would probably see them safe.

[k1man999]

Apr 11, 2024 12:39:22 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Apr 11, 2024 12:16:54 GMT 1 jim100 said:

Us and Birmingham. Wednesday have enough about them to survive

Yes I agree.

Wednesday look to have the more winnable games than other teams down at the bottom and since Rohl came in they have really improved on where they were. They must have spent more time than anyone in the bottom three this season but are now within a whisker away of getting out of it, just can't see them getting as close as they have from so far away and then it falling away. If you look at their celebrations after games/ fans mood then they are all very much behind the players, the mood and attitude seems to be right.

Us and Birmingham on the other hand is a different matter!

I think we'll get 3 more points, 4 points at the most, which I cannot see being enough. If we were level on points with Plymouth, Stoke, Blackburn I think it probably would have been but we aren't.

Which is why the Rotherham result stands out they were there for the taking.

[detox]

Sadly I just think our team lacks the motivation and determination that other clubs seem to show.

our soft underbelly and pea sized hearts mean we will buckle soon as we concede a goal..of which we've already conceded 7 more than we did in 46 games last season....

So Town to go down, probably with Plymouth.

That diabolical 2nd half at Preston has rocked my remaining confidence, and I suspect our weak hearted team have already given up.

[drumriggend]

I don’t give a fooook if we deserve to go down..



I don’t give a fook how fabulous Warnock was..




I don’t give a fook how shit Moore was..




I ABSOLUTELY give a foook that we stay up and despite all the evidence to the contrary I think we will..




I think there’s enough terrier spirit still festering around the squad and the fans to save ourselves..




Let’s make it happen..





🍻🍻

[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

Which ever teams have the least points

[colnevalleyblue]

Apr 11, 2024 17:23:12 GMT 1 mallyb said:

Apr 11, 2024 12:39:22 GMT 1 colnevalleyblue said:

Yes I agree.

Wednesday look to have the more winnable games than other teams down at the bottom and since Rohl came in they have really improved on where they were. They must have spent more time than anyone in the bottom three this season but are now within a whisker away of getting out of it, just can't see them getting as close as they have from so far away and then it falling away. If you look at their celebrations after games/ fans mood then they are all very much behind the players, the mood and attitude seems to be right.

Us and Birmingham on the other hand is a different matter!

I think we'll get 3 more points, 4 points at the most, which I cannot see being enough. If we were level on points with Plymouth, Stoke, Blackburn I think it probably would have been but we aren't.

Are you kidding? Wednesday had just come back from 2 down, you are comparing that crowd reaction to ours after us loosing 4-1 at Preston? Compare it to Saturday, we looked like we were behind the team.

Havent seen their highlights from Tuesday was more thinking of their 2-0 win to QPR on Saturday.

[Made In Yorkshire]

Apr 11, 2024 18:10:18 GMT 1 drumriggend said:

I don’t give a fooook if we deserve to go down..



I don’t give a fook how fabulous Warnock was..




I don’t give a fook how shit Moore was..




I ABSOLUTELY give a foook that we stay up and despite all the evidence to the contrary I think we will..




I think there’s enough terrier spirit still festering around the squad and the fans to save ourselves..




Let’s make it happen..





🍻🍻

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