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Post by richhtfc on Apr 11, 2024 21:30:44 GMT 1
If we go down can't see him staying to be honest, it's probably not was he was sold. We only had 10 games left, surely it was discussed? |
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Post by maxpower on Apr 11, 2024 21:45:11 GMT 1
He's not going anywhere Why would he walk away from a lucrative contract when he's got a guaranteed job and no risk of the sack, stay up or go down Professional ambition and pride, being in a new country by himself away from his family and friends, dismay at the skills and mental fortitude of the people he has to work with, a combination thereof I get that, but if I'd just done 12 months on the Cheryl Cole and was then handed a 2 and a half year contract I know the monthly income would Trump my professional ambition and pride |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 11, 2024 22:23:32 GMT 1
Im sure he'd leave if we went down and to be honest Im not sure Id want him as our manager in L1. Think Id prefer someone who knows that level of football and player. 100%. League and team knowledge can make the difference.The guy at Lincoln could be worth a look. |
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Post by KingNeil on Apr 11, 2024 22:32:01 GMT 1
Grant McCan is doing a cracking job at my local side donny rovers...they have won 7 on the bounce now and look like they are going to reach the playoffs
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 11, 2024 22:37:05 GMT 1
Simon Grayson has already been sounded out for next season if we do go down
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 11, 2024 23:30:37 GMT 1
Agree with previous posters, for me if we go down he’ll walk. If we stay up he’ll want assurances regards budget and personnel. Don’t think he’d entertain a Championship season if he’s expected to assemble a competent side with the likes of Kasumu, Ward, Ruffles, Headley, Jackson, Jones, Headley as mainstays of the squad. He's utterly fucked if he has to use Headley in 2 positions in the first team 🤣🤣. Headley showed some promise earlier in the season, but he's been crap and targeted by the opposition for more than a month now. Needs loaning to Motherwell. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 12, 2024 6:09:20 GMT 1
Grant McCan is doing a cracking job at my local side donny rovers...they have won 7 on the bounce now and look like they are going to reach the playoffs Grant McCann is to Doncaster Rovers what Darren Ferguson is to Peterborough United. |
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Post by melbourneterrier on Apr 12, 2024 6:14:12 GMT 1
I agree with the majority. I reckon if we get relegated, then he will pack up and go home.
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Post by mosher on Apr 12, 2024 8:32:44 GMT 1
What is it about gingers you dislike so much.... They fucking smell. Genuinely laughed out loud, even though half my extended family have gingery bits  |
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Post by mosher on Apr 12, 2024 8:34:25 GMT 1
Professional ambition and pride, being in a new country by himself away from his family and friends, dismay at the skills and mental fortitude of the people he has to work with, a combination thereof I get that, but if I'd just done 12 months on the Cheryl Cole and was then handed a 2 and a half year contract I know the monthly income would Trump my professional ambition and pride Isn't that what the One Direction lad did?  |
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Post by mosher on Apr 12, 2024 8:35:13 GMT 1
Simon Grayson has already been sounded out for next season if we do go down I heard it was Lee Clark |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 12, 2024 8:35:37 GMT 1
Grant McCann 😂 I've heard it all now.
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 12, 2024 8:50:08 GMT 1
Simon Grayson has already been sounded out for next season if we do go down If I was Kevin Nagle, I wouldn't be letting Edwards and Cartwright pick another manager. Those two would be gone before I did anything else. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 12, 2024 9:37:59 GMT 1
I hope he is here. We desperately need some continuity in the managerial department after six managers in two years. Summer planning, regardless of division, should be underway, and a big part of that should be working towards the manager. If we are not, or if he’s going to walk away, it puts us in a position of weakness - yet again.
That being said, our key areas of weakness are retention of possession and discipline out of possession. We need 2-3 players straight away who can improve our ball retention. One must be a playmaking midfielder. Without those basics being done, any manager is on a hiding to nothing.
Breitenreiter will have a plan in mind, but that plan can’t be carried out with current personnel. Ditto any manager. If we can’t keep the ball, then so many other things can’t happen.
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Post by ram on Apr 12, 2024 10:37:09 GMT 1
Breitenreiter has little knowledge of the players required to create a winning squad in either Div.1 or the Championship,to be successful he will need someone with that knowledge,that is definitely not Mr{Stoke City rejects} Cartwright,but will Mr Nagle get rid? will he bollocks,he is,remember, " doing a great job".
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Post by dugnet on Apr 12, 2024 10:49:48 GMT 1
I think the question around AB must be what the plan was (when we appointed him) ie was it an appointment based on us retaining our Championship status? The fact that AB's family are still in Germany (I know AB said his family had commitments at home) would suggest that there was a degree of "let's see what happens" involved.
The bigger question has to be if we, or more accurately Cartwright, has a plan for the Championship and one for League One. If he doesn't then he shouldn't be in the job. Moreover how does all this fit in with Mr Nagle's intended direction for the club?
From a pure footballing viewpoint I think the jury is out on AB. My feeling is he has told the powers that be what he thinks of the capability of the squad and what is required going forward. I am not entirely convinced by his tactics at times but I also think this plays to his opinion of the squad i.e. "I can't get anything better out of this group" (whether you agree with that or not is a different matter).
AB only stays in two scenarios for me:
We stay in the Championship
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He is happy with the plan for the longer term (although I would note his managerial career is defined by relatively short term success that tails off).
If he didn't stay would anyone be comfortable that Cartwright would be responsible for the footballing strategy and making the next choice of coach? I suppose that is a question for a few weeks when things shake out.
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Post by Amigo on Apr 12, 2024 11:11:31 GMT 1
Don't think his family still being in Germany has much to do with it, not sure how old his kids are but they look old enough to have their own lives. With the way we've been going through managers it wouldn't make much sense to uproot family either really.
I think for what he wants to do he needs a preseason with a squad, I don't think our squad is fit enough or well drilled enough to do what he wants.
I'd hope he stayed and had a proper chance to do what he wants with a team which ever league we were in (I don't really buy the thing about not knowing the league etc, football is football) but I'm like a few others in that if we went down I'm not sure he'd hang around.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 12, 2024 11:24:02 GMT 1
I'd love to know what those with inside knowledge like Maynard has heard etc. Not that I think its worth mentioning on a forum like this right now as it will just be counter productive probably, but although it looks as if the players were playing for him after the Millwall celebration I just wonder if they actually rate his tactics/training.
Probably too soon/awkward of a position to judge and also the fact are players are useless so won't maybe know what's good and bad, but maybe it will come out in the summer either way.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 12, 2024 11:46:21 GMT 1
I'd love to know what those with inside knowledge like Maynard has heard etc. Not that I think its worth mentioning on a forum like this right now as it will just be counter productive probably, but although it looks as if the players were playing for him after the Millwall celebration I just wonder if they actually rate his tactics/training. Probably too soon/awkward of a position to judge and also the fact are players are useless so won't maybe know what's good and bad, but maybe it will come out in the summer either way. He said himself in a press conference that the players weren't too enthused about doing double sessions. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 12, 2024 11:53:52 GMT 1
I'd love to know what those with inside knowledge like Maynard has heard etc. Not that I think its worth mentioning on a forum like this right now as it will just be counter productive probably, but although it looks as if the players were playing for him after the Millwall celebration I just wonder if they actually rate his tactics/training. Probably too soon/awkward of a position to judge and also the fact are players are useless so won't maybe know what's good and bad, but maybe it will come out in the summer either way. He said himself in a press conference that the players weren't too enthused about doing double sessions. Genuinely can't wait to get rid of this lot, embarrassing bunch. My mate was listening to a podcast recently with Scott Malone, was kicking off saying about how Wagner used to have them in 11-5. They literally have no idea how good they've got it. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 12, 2024 12:16:56 GMT 1
He said himself in a press conference that the players weren't too enthused about doing double sessions. Genuinely can't wait to get rid of this lot, embarrassing bunch. My mate was listening to a podcast recently with Scott Malone, was kicking off saying about how Wagner used to have them in 11-5. They literally have no idea how good they've got it. Watched it and felt sick. For anyone wondering where the money went, there's the answer. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 12, 2024 12:18:50 GMT 1
Genuinely can't wait to get rid of this lot, embarrassing bunch. My mate was listening to a podcast recently with Scott Malone, was kicking off saying about how Wagner used to have them in 11-5. They literally have no idea how good they've got it. Watched it and felt sick. For anyone wondering where the money went, there's the answer. The bit about the bonuses were scary! |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 12, 2024 12:37:44 GMT 1
I'd love to know what those with inside knowledge like Maynard has heard etc. Not that I think its worth mentioning on a forum like this right now as it will just be counter productive probably, but although it looks as if the players were playing for him after the Millwall celebration I just wonder if they actually rate his tactics/training. Probably too soon/awkward of a position to judge and also the fact are players are useless so won't maybe know what's good and bad, but maybe it will come out in the summer either way. He said himself in a press conference that the players weren't too enthused about doing double sessions. I'll train twice a day for a shot at life as a Championship footballer. Granted, I'm 35 and might be a short-term option with two dodgy knees, so the club might not fancy me that much, but I'd run through brick walls for the chance that this lot have had. The more I hear, the more I think the player culture at Town stinks. Too many who take no responsibility for themselves or results. Heads just drop and it's someone else's job to pick them up. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 12, 2024 12:47:42 GMT 1
I hope he is here. We desperately need some continuity in the managerial department after six managers in two years. Summer planning, regardless of division, should be underway, and a big part of that should be working towards the manager. If we are not, or if he’s going to walk away, it puts us in a position of weakness - yet again. That being said, our key areas of weakness are retention of possession and discipline out of possession. We need 2-3 players straight away who can improve our ball retention. One must be a playmaking midfielder. Without those basics being done, any manager is on a hiding to nothing. Breitenreiter will have a plan in mind, but that plan can’t be carried out with current personnel. Ditto any manager. If we can’t keep the ball, then so many other things can’t happen. I would imagine the club have set 2 budgets, 2 lists of players and 2 lists of players leaving or that will be for sale, we'll you'd hope do anyway. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 12, 2024 12:59:33 GMT 1
I hope he is here. We desperately need some continuity in the managerial department after six managers in two years. Summer planning, regardless of division, should be underway, and a big part of that should be working towards the manager. If we are not, or if he’s going to walk away, it puts us in a position of weakness - yet again. That being said, our key areas of weakness are retention of possession and discipline out of possession. We need 2-3 players straight away who can improve our ball retention. One must be a playmaking midfielder. Without those basics being done, any manager is on a hiding to nothing. Breitenreiter will have a plan in mind, but that plan can’t be carried out with current personnel. Ditto any manager. If we can’t keep the ball, then so many other things can’t happen. I would imagine the club have set 2 budgets, 2 lists of players and 2 lists of players leaving or that will be for sale, we'll you'd hope do anyway. I suspect so, but the whole job is easier if you don't then have to replace the manager. Again. |
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