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Post by Orinoco on Apr 19, 2024 4:04:56 GMT 1
If we do get relegated I can guarantee there will be a long thread regarding greedy league kids teams in the ldvsherpavanspapajohns trophy another way the Premier league belittles the lower leagues.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 19, 2024 6:21:48 GMT 1
We simply don’t participate in FA cups haven’t for years ( bar the Wagner year) Which Wagner year? I remember us getting to the 5th round under him and then playing our reserves against Man City in both the first game and the replay. That year 5th round is dizzy heights for us. Rochdale and port vale our dizzy conquests. |
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 19, 2024 8:02:50 GMT 1
Wonderful irony that this scandalous news was announced and the same day as all Premier League clubs are now knocked out of Europe (yes, I know Villa are in the Zenith Data Euromillions Conference still). Although I suppose they’ll only twist that to back up their reasoning. Wankers.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 19, 2024 8:05:50 GMT 1
We simply don’t participate in FA cups haven’t for years ( bar the Wagner year) Which Wagner year? I remember us getting to the 5th round under him and then playing our reserves against Man City in both the first game and the replay. We got to the 5th and lost to United at home. 1st year in the prem. |
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Apr 19, 2024 9:13:45 GMT 1
If these poor elite teams are playing too many games then,
Do away with the champions league and go back to a knock out format but with no 2 legs games straight knock out, this should be for champions only. All other European compitions should be the same.
Cup winners cup etc. No extra time either poor soles having to play longer, straight to penalties.
Also introduce stop the clock for injuries time wasting etc, then they can see that they are actually playing 90 mins not 90+.
That won't happen though cause it will hit them in the pocket which feeds there greed.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 19, 2024 9:18:28 GMT 1
We simply don’t participate in FA cups haven’t for years ( bar the Wagner year) Which Wagner year? I remember us getting to the 5th round under him and then playing our reserves against Man City in both the first game and the replay. In 2016, we lost to Reading in a 3rd Round Replay. In 2017 and 2018, we reached the 5th Round, losing to Man City and Man Utd respectively. In 2019, we lost to a Bristol City side that were recovering from flu, in the 3rd Round, and it's where Ben Hamer kicked a goal-kick out for a corner. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 19, 2024 9:33:59 GMT 1
The issue is Wembley was SO over budget that they need every game they can at Wembley, hence the semi finals get played there. That's literally the only reason it happens. I don't really buy that anymore, it's getting on for 20 years since it was built, and it's used pretty often. It's just the FA being greedy at this point. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 19, 2024 9:45:13 GMT 1
I was speaking to a Chelsea fan yesterday. His take was as expected. Not really in arrogance I’d say, just naive in that all he’s ever known are the PL and Abramovich years because of his age (late 20’s, early 30’s).
It was only a 30 second conversation, but this is the football world we live in now. So many kids are injected with the PL Kool Aid, even if they do support a team in the EFL or lower down the pyramid. They’ve not seen the days of outfield players having to don the keepers jersey, 2nd (& sometimes more) replays to settle a cup tie.
This is just the march towards total control of the game by a group of money motivated individuals and corporations.
Years ago this would have been met with incredulity, but there are so many hangers on to the game now. I’ve not followed the story because it’s a fait accompli, the big lads, the bullies have got their way again. I’d be interested to see if any prominent pundits have come out with harsh criticism, because they’re riding the gravy train that feeds these sort of decisions.
Football is corrupt, ask yourself what the underlying cause of that is?
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Post by royrace on Apr 19, 2024 9:47:54 GMT 1
If we do get relegated I can guarantee there will be a long thread regarding greedy league kids teams in the ldvsherpavanspapajohns trophy another way the Premier league belittles the lower leagues. An absolute scandal that they brought that in imo, far far worse than the banning of replays. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 19, 2024 9:54:25 GMT 1
The issue is Wembley was SO over budget that they need every game they can at Wembley, hence the semi finals get played there. That's literally the only reason it happens. I don't really buy that anymore, it's getting on for 20 years since it was built, and it's used pretty often. It's just the FA being greedy at this point. It’s the FA being complicit with the moneyed corporations running the game now. Remember when that twat from Chelsea wanted all the PL clubs to chip in for a leaving gift/bung when he stood down? A bloke who probably earned a shed load anyway, having someone suggest he should also get an x £m leaving gift (was it £5m or something?) The FA have systematically destroyed the football pyramid, their real aim is to achieve the same as the NFL in the US, a big city competition, played with partner organisations across Europe and beyond. We just sit back and have our tummies tickled with the lure of hundreds of £m’s if you reach the promised land. When you get there, unless you’re prepared to put the seed money in that they demand, your destiny is already sealed… Football used to be a great sport, and I’ll be there tomorrow, tense as fuck, but as for the rest of it, it’s a really tainted sport now. Oddly enough I would still want Town to achieve promotion, but moving from the Championship to the PL will always be about the journey for me, the destination is shite, it’s just that those bastards roll all their turds in glitter before they lob them in our direction… |
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 19, 2024 10:41:54 GMT 1
They might as well scrap the cup. Any lingering magic is killed off each year. Everyone play the reserves like the top two divisions do. Even better, don’t enter like Man U that time.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 19, 2024 10:47:01 GMT 1
I don't really buy that anymore, it's getting on for 20 years since it was built, and it's used pretty often. It's just the FA being greedy at this point. It’s the FA being complicit with the moneyed corporations running the game now. Remember when that twat from Chelsea wanted all the PL clubs to chip in for a leaving gift/bung when he stood down? A bloke who probably earned a shed load anyway, having someone suggest he should also get an x £m leaving gift (was it £5m or something?) The FA have systematically destroyed the football pyramid, their real aim is to achieve the same as the NFL in the US, a big city competition, played with partner organisations across Europe and beyond. We just sit back and have our tummies tickled with the lure of hundreds of £m’s if you reach the promised land. When you get there, unless you’re prepared to put the seed money in that they demand, your destiny is already sealed… Football used to be a great sport, and I’ll be there tomorrow, tense as fuck, but as for the rest of it, it’s a really tainted sport now. Oddly enough I would still want Town to achieve promotion, but moving from the Championship to the PL will always be about the journey for me, the destination is shite, it’s just that those bastards roll all their turds in glitter before they lob them in our direction… Think youre getting a bit carried away mate.  The pyramid has probably never been as strong. It's got many full time professional clubs as far down as level six and even some in level seven, Macclesfield for example. The stadiums and facilities they use have never been as good. Attendances are pretty much as high as theyve ever been. The top end of the PL has become a very predictable thing and something of a closed shop, but I dont think you can dismiss the incredible strength of the rest of our pyramid based on that tiny part of it. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 19, 2024 11:12:24 GMT 1
The FA cup and league cup are now irrelevant. The money difference has rendered them obsolete. Teams can’t compete even with the top 8 teams’ second teams. The games are mostly awful, completely uncompetitive yet we have to listen to some dullard ex pro bemoaning why Stevenage haven’t given it more of a go against man citeh’s 3rd team…err cos their reserve keeper is paid more than the whole Stevenage squad you thick twat.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 19, 2024 11:15:39 GMT 1
It’s the FA being complicit with the moneyed corporations running the game now. Remember when that twat from Chelsea wanted all the PL clubs to chip in for a leaving gift/bung when he stood down? A bloke who probably earned a shed load anyway, having someone suggest he should also get an x £m leaving gift (was it £5m or something?) The FA have systematically destroyed the football pyramid, their real aim is to achieve the same as the NFL in the US, a big city competition, played with partner organisations across Europe and beyond. We just sit back and have our tummies tickled with the lure of hundreds of £m’s if you reach the promised land. When you get there, unless you’re prepared to put the seed money in that they demand, your destiny is already sealed… Football used to be a great sport, and I’ll be there tomorrow, tense as fuck, but as for the rest of it, it’s a really tainted sport now. Oddly enough I would still want Town to achieve promotion, but moving from the Championship to the PL will always be about the journey for me, the destination is shite, it’s just that those bastards roll all their turds in glitter before they lob them in our direction… Think youre getting a bit carried away mate. :D The pyramid has probably never been as strong. It's got many full time professional clubs as far down as level six and even some in level seven, Macclesfield for example. The stadiums and facilities they use have never been as good. Attendances are pretty much as high as theyve ever been. The top end of the PL has become a very predictable thing and something of a closed shop, but I dont think you can dismiss the incredible strength of the rest of our pyramid based on that tiny part of it. We’ll have to agree to disagree here. It might be buoyant right now, but as these top clubs suck more of the money out of the game and stop any of it filtering down, those clubs will suffer. |
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Post by Bubbles on Apr 19, 2024 11:29:36 GMT 1
We simply don’t participate in FA cups haven’t for years ( bar the Wagner year) Which Wagner year? I remember us getting to the 5th round under him and then playing our reserves against Man City in both the first game and the replay. Yes but we did get to the Fifth Round! ( Only had to play two games though I agree.) Most years it's out at the first hurdle. I've watched Town over 40 years like a lot of folk and to say I've never seen us in the quarter-finals of either cup competition really is pathetic. I cling to the Yorkshire and Humberside Electricity cup win of 1994 as my only succesful cup memory... |
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Post by Bubbles on Apr 19, 2024 11:44:23 GMT 1
Which Wagner year? I remember us getting to the 5th round under him and then playing our reserves against Man City in both the first game and the replay. We got to the 5th and lost to United at home. 1st year in the prem. Ah yes,the VAR game! Juan Mata scored to make it 0-2 just before half time. So I left my seat in a huff,heard another cheer as i entered the toilets. 0-3 i thought Then a massive cheer..we've got one back? I expected the scoreboard to read 1-3 as i re-took my seat. It still read Town 0 United 1. I was baffled. I'd forgotten about the bloody VAR and the cheers were for the checking and then disallowing the goal. 17,000 crowd at home against Manchester United,well disappointing! |
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Post by huddshroom on Apr 19, 2024 11:53:45 GMT 1
It’s the FA being complicit with the moneyed corporations running the game now. Remember when that twat from Chelsea wanted all the PL clubs to chip in for a leaving gift/bung when he stood down? A bloke who probably earned a shed load anyway, having someone suggest he should also get an x £m leaving gift (was it £5m or something?) The FA have systematically destroyed the football pyramid, their real aim is to achieve the same as the NFL in the US, a big city competition, played with partner organisations across Europe and beyond. We just sit back and have our tummies tickled with the lure of hundreds of £m’s if you reach the promised land. When you get there, unless you’re prepared to put the seed money in that they demand, your destiny is already sealed… Football used to be a great sport, and I’ll be there tomorrow, tense as fuck, but as for the rest of it, it’s a really tainted sport now. Oddly enough I would still want Town to achieve promotion, but moving from the Championship to the PL will always be about the journey for me, the destination is shite, it’s just that those bastards roll all their turds in glitter before they lob them in our direction… Think youre getting a bit carried away mate. The pyramid has probably never been as strong. It's got many full time professional clubs as far down as level six and even some in level seven, Macclesfield for example. The stadiums and facilities they use have never been as good. Attendances are pretty much as high as theyve ever been. The top end of the PL has become a very predictable thing and something of a closed shop, but I dont think you can dismiss the incredible strength of the rest of our pyramid based on that tiny part of it. Macclesfield shouldn't be there tho |
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Post by ldr on Apr 19, 2024 12:02:35 GMT 1
Wonderful irony that this scandalous news was announced and the same day as all Premier League clubs are now knocked out of Europe (yes, I know Villa are in the Zenith Data Euromillions Conference still). Although I suppose they’ll only twist that to back up their reasoning. Wankers. I have spent the week cheering Bayern X 2, Madrid, Atalanta and Lille. |
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Post by yellowbelly on Apr 19, 2024 12:10:22 GMT 1
Think youre getting a bit carried away mate. The pyramid has probably never been as strong. It's got many full time professional clubs as far down as level six and even some in level seven, Macclesfield for example. The stadiums and facilities they use have never been as good. Attendances are pretty much as high as theyve ever been. The top end of the PL has become a very predictable thing and something of a closed shop, but I dont think you can dismiss the incredible strength of the rest of our pyramid based on that tiny part of it. Macclesfield shouldn't be there tho Still couldn’t win the Northern Premier League though |
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Post by huddshroom on Apr 19, 2024 12:49:14 GMT 1
Macclesfield shouldn't be there tho Still couldn’t win the Northern Premier League though I meant more the booting them out the league, can blame the club but some blame has to go to the greedy league. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 19, 2024 13:08:43 GMT 1
Worse than the demise of the cup is the shocking lack of funding into grass roots football. Kids playing n waterlogged pitches. Games cancelled every week. Parents on the breadline asked to pay subs and fund raising for basics. Kits must be sponsored by local private businesses.
I’m so ashamed of this country and how it’s been run in my lifetime.
Non regulated capitalism at its worst.
Rich get richer. Poor stay trapped in poverty. No opportunities. No housing. No good jobs. No training opportunities.
Nothing will change either with Tory lite Starmer in charge either.
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Post by detox on Apr 19, 2024 13:21:19 GMT 1
How many PL clubs are 'foreign' owned..
How often can you watch PL live games on BBC or ITV..how much do you need to spend to get Sky or TNT to watch PL and Champions league ?
It's all got too distant, but all the clubs are the same mix, play similar styles, all have divers and cheats, feigning injuries..wasting time...blah blah..it's like a kids school party... 'Proper' football is championship and below albeit foreign owners here too (including us !)..and ex PL players teaching other players how to get 'accidently' tripped up, how to collapse like a sledgehammer has smacked you one...in other words how to cheat...the clubs don't stop it, the coaches/managers don't stop it. the ref doesn't stop it. the EFL/FA doesn't stop it...
You watch Man City (when you can) and they play the same possession based boring stuff every game... Give me AFC Emley every day...
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Post by mosher on Apr 19, 2024 13:31:20 GMT 1
Worse than the demise of the cup is the shocking lack of funding into grass roots football. Kids playing n waterlogged pitches. Games cancelled every week. Parents on the breadline asked to pay subs and fund raising for basics. Kits must be sponsored by local private businesses. I’m so ashamed of this country and how it’s been run in my lifetime. Non regulated capitalism at its worst. Rich get richer. Poor stay trapped in poverty. No opportunities. No housing. No good jobs. No training opportunities. Nothing will change either with Tory lite Starmer in charge either. Whilst I agree with your post in the main, this isn't true. There's loads of training opportunities and decent jobs, also loads of help financially **to try and find these jobs, you just have to go to your local job centre to see that. Unfortunately most of the time the Job Centre staff don't tell you about these things, you have to specifically ask. Only problem is; how can you ask if you don't know in the first place? Thankfully my work coach Sophie was the best and told me all this without me needing to ask. ** you can get grants for clothes for interviews, bus fares for interviews, they have deals with local dry cleaners, hairdressers, etc, they even provide some help for AFTER you come off the dole, after I got my job they even gave me a Metro Card with a week's worth of bus fares loaded onto it. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 19, 2024 13:31:35 GMT 1
The FA cup and league cup are now irrelevant. The money difference has rendered them obsolete. Teams can’t compete even with the top 8 teams’ second teams. The games are mostly awful, completely uncompetitive yet we have to listen to some dullard ex pro bemoaning why Stevenage haven’t given it more of a go against man citeh’s 3rd team…err cos their reserve keeper is paid more than the whole Stevenage squad you thick twat. It's one of those depressing elements of football reaching its logical endpoint. Man City are such a case in point. So much money that they are essentially too big to fail. A manager whose philosophy has been to essentially 'solve' football, maximising efficiency and minimising chance and chaos. In doing both it's torn the soul and the essence of the sport out. |
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Post by markthehorn on Apr 19, 2024 13:49:27 GMT 1
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Post by leroy212 on Apr 19, 2024 14:23:01 GMT 1
Sounds like they are now trying to say the EFL were including . All a right old mess. And now about money ofcourse . Given what Tranmere put out as a statement I highly doubt they did. Trying to keep face that's what that statement is about |
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Post by markthehorn on Apr 19, 2024 14:25:24 GMT 1
Sounds like they are now trying to say the EFL were including . All a right old mess. And now about money ofcourse . Given what Tranmere put out as a statement I highly doubt they did. Trying to keep face that's what that statement is about Seems you are right . Cannot even agree on what was said . |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 19, 2024 14:39:30 GMT 1
I wonder if the EFL could arrange for its member clubs and then also the National League clubs to boycott the FA Cup? Or threaten to?
The FA Cup’s magic has gone. It died a long time ago.
The ‘big six’ (laughable really as Spurs aren’t a big club and haven’t been for decades) should all just fulfil their ambitions and leave the English national game. Good riddance. Ultimately their owners are grasping for more cash as per the American Football system and it will kill the top flight game in this country within two decades if nothing changes.
I wouldn’t want Town be part of that league.
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Post by shawsie on Apr 19, 2024 14:50:34 GMT 1
It’s the FA being complicit with the moneyed corporations running the game now. Remember when that twat from Chelsea wanted all the PL clubs to chip in for a leaving gift/bung when he stood down? A bloke who probably earned a shed load anyway, having someone suggest he should also get an x £m leaving gift (was it £5m or something?) The FA have systematically destroyed the football pyramid, their real aim is to achieve the same as the NFL in the US, a big city competition, played with partner organisations across Europe and beyond. We just sit back and have our tummies tickled with the lure of hundreds of £m’s if you reach the promised land. When you get there, unless you’re prepared to put the seed money in that they demand, your destiny is already sealed… Football used to be a great sport, and I’ll be there tomorrow, tense as fuck, but as for the rest of it, it’s a really tainted sport now. Oddly enough I would still want Town to achieve promotion, but moving from the Championship to the PL will always be about the journey for me, the destination is shite, it’s just that those bastards roll all their turds in glitter before they lob them in our direction… Think youre getting a bit carried away mate. The pyramid has probably never been as strong. It's got many full time professional clubs as far down as level six and even some in level seven, Macclesfield for example. The stadiums and facilities they use have never been as good. Attendances are pretty much as high as theyve ever been. The top end of the PL has become a very predictable thing and something of a closed shop, but I dont think you can dismiss the incredible strength of the rest of our pyramid based on that tiny part of it. Whilst its undeniable the stadiums and facilities have improved, the business models now are just plain daft. Considering its a business these days, there is a distinct lack of profitability across the leagues and where we are currently is the worst - the losses are eye watering. Attendances are definitely improving lower down the pyramid, but the tickets vs bums on seats debate elsewhere means its difficult to know. Sadly the way its going means the journey is often better than the destination for most clubs, particularly those at our level. |
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 19, 2024 14:52:09 GMT 1
I wonder if the EFL could arrange for its member clubs and then also the National League clubs to boycott the FA Cup? Or threaten to? The FA Cup’s magic has gone. It died a long time ago. The ‘big six’ (laughable really as Spurs aren’t a big club and haven’t been for decades) should all just fulfil their ambitions and leave the English national game. Good riddance. Ultimately their owners are grasping for more cash as per the American Football system and it will kill the top flight game in this country within two decades if nothing changes. I wouldn’t want Town be part of that league. As it happens, you’re in luck … 😂 |
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