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Post by mosher on Apr 19, 2024 14:53:54 GMT 1
I wonder if the EFL could arrange for its member clubs and then also the National League clubs to boycott the FA Cup? Or threaten to? The FA Cup’s magic has gone. It died a long time ago. The ‘big six’ (laughable really as Spurs aren’t a big club and haven’t been for decades) should all just fulfil their ambitions and leave the English national game. Good riddance. Ultimately their owners are grasping for more cash as per the American Football system and it will kill the top flight game in this country within two decades if nothing changes. I wouldn’t want Town be part of that league. As it happens, you’re in luck … 😂 Ha, beat me to it, was just gonna reply with "Like we have a choice?"  |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 19, 2024 15:05:04 GMT 1
I’m just very sad for young boys (and girls) like our football mad eldest grandson, Henry, aged six. He’s already been to almost 40 games, mostly non-league at Leatherhead, Carshalton and Chipstead, but he’s also seen Sutton United seven times and will be at their final home game (last in L2?) against Crawley tomorrow.
That’s the right level of club for him at his age, all fun and innocence, it’s magical seeing him enjoy the game I’ve loved for almost sixty years but really struggle to do so nowadays. I fear Henry will never understand or experience games and nights like my first ever FA Cup game when 92nd place Hartlepools United scared the shit out of “big boys” Huddersfield Town at a packed Leeds Road on a freezing Monday night as in 1966.
Like many boys his age he goes to football training on Saturday mornings at Chipstead FC in a choice of either his Man U shirt, Arsenal shirt or Chelsea shirt or England shirt, but his favourites are actually his Huddersfield Town shirt and his Sutton United shirt. He’s sleeping over with us tonight and wants to watch Oxford v Stevenage on Sky tonight, though he’ll doubtless fall asleep by half time.
There’s hope yet, but my grandson’s relationship with football is very different to what mine has largely been and I’m very sad for him about that.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 19, 2024 15:07:33 GMT 1
Think youre getting a bit carried away mate. The pyramid has probably never been as strong. It's got many full time professional clubs as far down as level six and even some in level seven, Macclesfield for example. The stadiums and facilities they use have never been as good. Attendances are pretty much as high as theyve ever been. The top end of the PL has become a very predictable thing and something of a closed shop, but I dont think you can dismiss the incredible strength of the rest of our pyramid based on that tiny part of it. We’ll have to agree to disagree here. It might be buoyant right now, but as these top clubs suck more of the money out of the game and stop any of it filtering down, those clubs will suffer. They all get vastly more filtering down than they ever have though. It's how come so many play in new stadiums and have good training facilities. People might not be happy with how much it is as a percentage of what the PL gets, but at no time in the history of the pyramid have clubs down its various levels received anything remotely like the amounts they do now. The 'pay off' yesterday to scrapping replays was a further £30m to be fed down. If they suffer its because theyre spending more money than they are getting in, same as its always been. Clubs down the pyramid dont really see not being able to complete at the top end of the PL as a particular problem, I wouldn't have thought. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 19, 2024 15:35:44 GMT 1
I’d have to check the full story, but when you say ‘pay off’, that would infer it was a settlement?
Someone mentioned on here that the EFL clubs weren’t represented, but presumably they must have been. So that EFL steering co. etc. accepted a £30m bung for giving up years of tradition and fairy tale type stuff, all to satisfy the demands of the egotistical bastards running the PL.
They’re a fucking poison on the game and have been for 30yrs. Once they fuck off and form their intergalactic super league, the TV money will follow and then it’ll be down to the rest of the clubs to salvage the domestic game.
Casino football has driven behaviours that sees ridiculous numbers of clubs in financial distress.
Wrexham and Netflix should tell you all you need to know about the direction the FA and the PL want the game to go. As soon as they don’t have to worry about platitudes and handing out the scraps to the pyramid, they won’t be putting parachute payments and soft landings in place.
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Post by leroy212 on Apr 19, 2024 16:01:21 GMT 1
I bet if the big clubs decided to try restart the super league rubbish. I don't think there would be half as much out cry from other fans now. Anybody I know who supports a club outside of the premier league don't care about what goes on in it. Sooner big clubs go into a super league then better for rest of football
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 19, 2024 16:04:59 GMT 1
I’d have to check the full story, but when you say ‘pay off’, that would infer it was a settlement? Someone mentioned on here that the EFL clubs weren’t represented, but presumably they must have been. So that EFL steering co. etc. accepted a £30m bung for giving up years of tradition and fairy tale type stuff, all to satisfy the demands of the egotistical bastards running the PL.They’re a fucking poison on the game and have been for 30yrs. Once they fuck off and form their intergalactic super league, the TV money will follow and then it’ll be down to the rest of the clubs to salvage the domestic game. Casino football has driven behaviours that sees ridiculous numbers of clubs in financial distress. Wrexham and Netflix should tell you all you need to know about the direction the FA and the PL want the game to go. As soon as they don’t have to worry about platitudes and handing out the scraps to the pyramid, they won’t be putting parachute payments and soft landings in place. Basically, yeah. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 19, 2024 16:17:29 GMT 1
I bet if the big clubs decided to try restart the super league rubbish. I don't think there would be half as much out cry from other fans now. Anybody I know who supports a club outside of the premier league don't care about what goes on in it. Sooner big clubs go into a super league then better for rest of footballThink it would be swings and roundabouts in truth. Some good, some bad. There'd be some adjusting to do but in theory the English title would be a much more competitive thing. The remaining bigger clubs would still dominate though..the Villas, Everton's, Leeds, West hams, but I think it would be much more possible for a Middlesbrough, Fulham, Ipswich etc to actually regularly challenge up there if they drop lucky on a good enough manager. There'd be vastly less money sloshing about the EFL clubs though as the bulk of the TV money would go along with the big club to the ESL...but thats where the real adjustment would happen..players in our division for example would have to settle for earning £5k a week rather than £25k a week. None of them are going to jack it in to get a proper job, so in theory nothing would change in that respect. But there'd also be vastly less money passing down through the pyramid which would have an adverse effect on the lower tiers and the strength of the whole pyramid in the country. I'd be surprised that if the ESL happens a lot of clubs further down our pyramid dont fold within a year or two. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 19, 2024 16:19:29 GMT 1
The FA Cup is aptly named for us because we do Fuck All in it every year (apart from that year when we screwed up again Wimbledon).
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Post by Fish & Chips on Apr 19, 2024 16:55:06 GMT 1
I bet if the big clubs decided to try restart the super league rubbish. I don't think there would be half as much out cry from other fans now. Anybody I know who supports a club outside of the premier league don't care about what goes on in it. Sooner big clubs go into a super league then better for rest of football It’s a double edged sword though. I can’t imagine the likes of Nagle and other foreign owners staying invested in the likes of Town if their opportunity of a £multi-hundred million dream jackpot becomes out of reach in a closed league. There would likely be carnage as perhaps 10-20 clubs went into administration. Might be a good thing for English football in the long run though. |
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Post by detox on Apr 19, 2024 17:19:05 GMT 1
Football is mirroring society,where the richest get everything and rest are treated with disdain... Football used to be the 'working mans' game...with fixed levels of wage but some massive crowds..no replica kits and only the odd  and rattle...folk in flat caps, puffing away at their pipe...no segregation...standing terraces...and folk loved it... The money men saw an opportunity (as they always do), stepped in and here we are.... |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 19, 2024 17:48:22 GMT 1
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 19, 2024 18:15:53 GMT 1
The FA cup and league cup are now irrelevant. The money difference has rendered them obsolete. Teams can’t compete even with the top 8 teams’ second teams. The games are mostly awful, completely uncompetitive yet we have to listen to some dullard ex pro bemoaning why Stevenage haven’t given it more of a go against man citeh’s 3rd team…err cos their reserve keeper is paid more than the whole Stevenage squad you thick twat. It's one of those depressing elements of football reaching its logical endpoint. Man City are such a case in point. So much money that they are essentially too big to fail. A manager whose philosophy has been to essentially 'solve' football, maximising efficiency and minimising chance and chaos. In doing both it's torn the soul and the essence of the sport out. There needs to be a forced re-distribution of resources. Capitalism with strict regulation to ensure the future of the game. Footballers tax to pay for the 5G pitches which every child should have local access to play sports all year round. Billionaire owners could provide coaches for all kids free of charge and free boots. Free match tickets for the most deprived kids. Without breaking a sweat. Football is a microcosm of of a maturing capitalist system. The fans were always the lifeblood of the clubs or so we’re told but we’re all facing higher season card prices on the same incomes. £100 kits for kids. Football clubs, water companies, fuel companies. It’s all just too familiar a story now. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 19, 2024 18:25:17 GMT 1
I’d have to check the full story, but when you say ‘pay off’, that would infer it was a settlement? Someone mentioned on here that the EFL clubs weren’t represented, but presumably they must have been. So that EFL steering co. etc. accepted a £30m bung for giving up years of tradition and fairy tale type stuff, all to satisfy the demands of the egotistical bastards running the PL. They’re a fucking poison on the game and have been for 30yrs. Once they fuck off and form their intergalactic super league, the TV money will follow and then it’ll be down to the rest of the clubs to salvage the domestic game. Casino football has driven behaviours that sees ridiculous numbers of clubs in financial distress. Wrexham and Netflix should tell you all you need to know about the direction the FA and the PL want the game to go. As soon as they don’t have to worry about platitudes and handing out the scraps to the pyramid, they won’t be putting parachute payments and soft landings in place. This fawning over Wrexham does my tits in. I still remember it as a total shithole where every man, woman, dog and sheep wanted to twat you because you weren’t Welsh. Even though they are just on the outskirts of fucking Chester. I view Wrexham just like those other utterly grim away days at Port Vale and Grimsby. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 19, 2024 19:08:58 GMT 1
Football is mirroring society,where the richest get everything and rest are treated with disdain... Football used to be the 'working mans' game...with fixed levels of wage but some massive crowds..no replica kits and only the odd and rattle...folk in flat caps, puffing away at their pipe...no segregation...standing terraces...and folk loved it... The money men saw an opportunity (as they always do), stepped in and here we are.... Arent you forgetting what a desperately crap state the game was in before the money men got involved? Tiny crowds in decrepit stadiums is what football had become by the 1980s. Reminiscing is all well and good but look at the attendances now, the interest in the game..folk have never loved it more. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 19, 2024 19:13:38 GMT 1
It's one of those depressing elements of football reaching its logical endpoint. Man City are such a case in point. So much money that they are essentially too big to fail. A manager whose philosophy has been to essentially 'solve' football, maximising efficiency and minimising chance and chaos. In doing both it's torn the soul and the essence of the sport out. There needs to be a forced re-distribution of resources. Capitalism with strict regulation to ensure the future of the game. Footballers tax to pay for the 5G pitches which every child should have local access to play sports all year round. Billionaire owners could provide coaches for all kids free of charge and free boots. Free match tickets for the most deprived kids. Without breaking a sweat. Football is a microcosm of of a maturing capitalist system. The fans were always the lifeblood of the clubs or so we’re told but we’re all facing higher season card prices on the same incomes. £100 kits for kids. Football clubs, water companies, fuel companies. It’s all just too familiar a story now. Capitalism has matured to take more things away from the people they're for, to the point that they're Frankenstein versions of the original thing, that've been reshaped purely to suck as much money out of their core user base as possible. Your first suggestions are so blatantly the right thing to do, so they will absolutely never happen. We are approaching a solved world where the processes of solving have chipped away at common sense, and the fullness of human experience. The FA Cup governed with these two things in mind would be much better off. But it'd never happen because common sense and humanity aren't financially extractive enough. |
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Post by detox on Apr 19, 2024 23:11:26 GMT 1
Football is mirroring society,where the richest get everything and rest are treated with disdain... Football used to be the 'working mans' game...with fixed levels of wage but some massive crowds..no replica kits and only the odd and rattle...folk in flat caps, puffing away at their pipe...no segregation...standing terraces...and folk loved it... The money men saw an opportunity (as they always do), stepped in and here we are.... Arent you forgetting what a desperately crap state the game was in before the money men got involved? Tiny crowds in decrepit stadiums is what football had become by the 1980s. Reminiscing is all well and good but look at the attendances now, the interest in the game..folk have never loved it more. That was Thatcher's fault,she destroyed everything ... not just football |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 19, 2024 23:50:47 GMT 1
Was she in charge of the hooliganism or was she the one making the clubs never invest in their crumbling facilities?
Maybe she was the one who introduced the endless off-side traps that made the game in the 80s so crap?
Like it or not, the money men seeing the opportunity saved the game in this country, because it was dying on its arse before they got involved. The working man had lost interest.
Now it's never been as popular.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 20, 2024 0:36:40 GMT 1
Was she in charge of the hooliganism or was she the one making the clubs never invest in their crumbling facilities? Maybe she was the one who introduced the endless off-side traps that made the game in the 80s so crap? Like it or not, the money men seeing the opportunity saved the game in this country, because it was dying on its arse before they got involved. The working man had lost interest. Now it's never been as popular. For all thats wrong with the game the grounds and facilities are superb, some teams were playing in museums, nowadays even lower division and even non-league league sides are playing in lovely modern stadiums, the games not been as popular for years, its a certain aspect (greed) of the premier league and some of some of the top flight clubs that grate, detox makes some decent posts but on this he is 100% wrong. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Apr 20, 2024 1:39:39 GMT 1
What a sad day for football - or certainly the football levels that I’ve been used to and like...
How I fondly remember waiting after going to the shop for The Shoot Magazine on a Saturday morning and waiting on Grandstand and Football Focus and one of the great highlights at the time was seeing the previews for the big round of The FA cup and I remember a team I’d never heard of at the time called Altringcham who were non league drawing the cream of Europe back then in Liverpool and taking them to a REPLAY at Anfield no less...
The whole TV crews going to Altringcham’s quaint wee ground, the houses and works in the background as the stand and terrace roofs weren’t high enough to hide them, the superstars of, Clemence, Hansen, Dalglish, Souness, Kennedy and Thompson coming to a muddy pitch and all the massive publicity of the replay at Anfield for these Altringcham players not to mention the shared gate receipts as well...
See I still reminisce about these misty eyed memories from 19 canteen (I think this would be around 1980 as it was still only Irish TV at ma bit then) - But these lovely memories that I retain are gonna be lost to the young Westie starlets of today’s up and coming footy fans of that age group - And That is bloody criminal indeed...
As The ‘Champions’ ?? League Quarter Finals were on I was in The Wineshed at Clachnacuddin FC watching a testimonial match for club captain Marty Callum on the old terrace stepps and under the lights and it was magical indeed even at that level...
I’m probably equidistant to Inverness to the North and Manchester to the South but if I had only one choice of Manchester City v Real Madrid in The Champions League or Clachnacuddin FC v Elgin City in that testimonial for such a good cause (Marty gave all the gate money to Mikeysline a local kinda Samaritans type charity) then I’d take the testimonial any day of the year, any year in the century...
Manchester City and Real Madrid will meet a million times going forward in The Champions League knockout stages...
They are bloody well welcome to it for I for one won’t be too interested...
But if it was Haven’t & Waterloovile v Rushden & Diamonds in the early rounds of The FA cup on TV I’d enjoy the whole game ! 👍
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 20, 2024 9:07:24 GMT 1
Football is mirroring society,where the richest get everything and rest are treated with disdain... Football used to be the 'working mans' game...with fixed levels of wage but some massive crowds..no replica kits and only the odd scarf and rattle...folk in flat caps, puffing away at their pipe...no segregation...standing terraces...and folk loved it... The money men saw an opportunity (as they always do), stepped in and here we are.... Arent you forgetting what a desperately crap state the game was in before the money men got involved? Tiny crowds in decrepit stadiums is what football had become by the 1980s. Reminiscing is all well and good but look at the attendances now, the interest in the game..folk have never loved it more. Is this the same money men you believe will save the NHS? 😂 Those same folk you’re thanking for the current state are the ones that see us supporters as cash cows. TV companies, subscription services, aligned to betting companies. Merchandise being heavily marketed. Football was always popular before the money men got involved. It would have evolved just like everything else in life has. It’s just that we’re conditioned to think it’s great now, and there will be many folk who spend a lot more than the price of their season ticket on supporting football, their weekly football bets, Sky Sports etc. Modern football is over hyped corruption, played out for global media. Don’t be surprised in years to come if these TV and media companies are using AI to generate crowd atmosphere and fill in the empty seats, so they can satisfy their subscribers thousands of miles away, who are buying a premium product. It’s all a fucking con, much like the money men you refer to… |
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Post by detox on Apr 20, 2024 9:12:31 GMT 1
Was she in charge of the hooliganism or was she the one making the clubs never invest in their crumbling facilities? Maybe she was the one who introduced the endless off-side traps that made the game in the 80s so crap? Like it or not, the money men seeing the opportunity saved the game in this country, because it was dying on its arse before they got involved. The working man had lost interest. Now it's never been as popular. For all thats wrong with the game the grounds and facilities are superb, some teams were playing in museums, nowadays even lower division and even non-league league sides are playing in lovely modern stadiums, the games not been as popular for years, its a certain aspect (greed) of the premier league and some of some of the top flight clubs that grate, detox makes some decent posts but on this he is 100% wrong. I only said Thatcher to wind up Slapps... |
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Post by cyberman on Apr 20, 2024 9:58:58 GMT 1
Arent you forgetting what a desperately crap state the game was in before the money men got involved? Tiny crowds in decrepit stadiums is what football had become by the 1980s. Reminiscing is all well and good but look at the attendances now, the interest in the game..folk have never loved it more. ... not just football I blame it all on Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris - |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Apr 20, 2024 10:06:55 GMT 1
A lot of clubs releasing statements condemning the decision, it would be nice to see Town follow suit. So far only 4 of the 24 Championship clubs have done so.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 20, 2024 10:15:49 GMT 1
It would be nice to know if Town were consulted - and how they reacted...
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 20, 2024 11:10:13 GMT 1
Too many games, blah, blah, blah.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 20, 2024 14:17:59 GMT 1
Too many games, blah, blah, blah. Absolute bastards… |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 21, 2024 6:49:02 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68866853Maybe Pep should go and manage a team in another country then? Yes, the FA Cup is special Pep, to hundreds of clubs, not just billion pound teams like the ones you’re used to…
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 22, 2024 19:10:38 GMT 1
As more teams release club statements against the FA cup rule changes, I'd like to see Town make a statement saying that in protest we will not take part in the competition after the first round. This of course won't require us to do anything different from any other season where cup competitions only ever last for one round.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Apr 22, 2024 19:15:26 GMT 1
Too many games, blah, blah, blah. Absolute bastards… I know!! It's spelt "trough".  |
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Post by markthehorn on Apr 22, 2024 19:44:14 GMT 1
The National league seem to agree with the decision to dump replays .
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and rattle...folk in flat caps, puffing away at their pipe...no segregation...standing terraces...and folk loved it...
