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Post by impact on Apr 20, 2024 21:27:44 GMT 1
The Burgzorg criticism and the crowd reaction, quite frankly, was ludicrous. He should have squared it yes but the Koroma miss was equally as criminal, if not worse. Both misses were equally bad but there's a big difference. Koroma was a lack of any quality. Burgzorg was him, yet again, being a selfish twat. |
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Post by harris on Apr 20, 2024 21:48:22 GMT 1
The Burgzorg criticism and the crowd reaction, quite frankly, was ludicrous. He should have squared it yes but the Koroma miss was equally as criminal, if not worse. Why was it ludicrous? He chose to shoot at a goalkeeper a yard away from him instead of passing to two options who were in way better positions with no goalkeeper in the way. It has happened time and time again this season and he hasn’t learnt anything. I was a fan of his for about 35 games this season, but he’s completely let us down this last 10 games through sheer selfishness. Not ashamed to say I booed him off today and I never boo. Koroma missed a chance, it happens. Burgzorg turned a golden chance into nothing because he’s greedy. Won’t be missed when he leaves in the summer. |
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Post by robinvar on Apr 20, 2024 22:25:42 GMT 1
Burgzorg has talent and I admire that he isn't a shrinking violet. But he won't be here next season, he is not our player and it would be madness to make it permanent. I think he tried but he's played out of position in a team bereft of confidence and creativity.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 20, 2024 22:29:56 GMT 1
I’ve never really looked at the pedigree of Mark Cartwright.
I’ve now looked at his Wikipedia page.
I guess the Q is how did he last so long at Stoke? Was he being propped up by others?
Because his footballing pedigree isn’t much beyond 50% of the blokes who post on here… 😂
I can see why folk question this appointment.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 20, 2024 22:38:42 GMT 1
The Burgzorg criticism and the crowd reaction, quite frankly, was ludicrous. He should have squared it yes but the Koroma miss was equally as criminal, if not worse. Why was it ludicrous? He chose to shoot at a goalkeeper a yard away from him instead of passing to two options who were in way better positions with no goalkeeper in the way. It has happened time and time again this season and he hasn’t learnt anything. I was a fan of his for about 35 games this season, but he’s completely let us down this last 10 games through sheer selfishness. Not ashamed to say I booed him off today and I never boo. Koroma missed a chance, it happens. Burgzorg turned a golden chance into nothing because he’s greedy. Won’t be missed when he leaves in the summer. You omit to mention the 2 Swansea players on the line. |
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Post by DuffMan on Apr 20, 2024 22:43:05 GMT 1
The Burgzorg criticism and the crowd reaction, quite frankly, was ludicrous. He should have squared it yes but the Koroma miss was equally as criminal, if not worse. Why was it ludicrous? He chose to shoot at a goalkeeper a yard away from him instead of passing to two options who were in way better positions with no goalkeeper in the way. It has happened time and time again this season and he hasn’t learnt anything. I was a fan of his for about 35 games this season, but he’s completely let us down this last 10 games through sheer selfishness. Not ashamed to say I booed him off today and I never boo. Koroma missed a chance, it happens. Burgzorg turned a golden chance into nothing because he’s greedy. Won’t be missed when he leaves in the summer. this. First time I've ever booed a town player today when that selfish twat left the pitch. disgraceful performance yet again from him. backing out of 60/40s and yet again refusing to pass when we would have scored |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 20, 2024 22:55:18 GMT 1
Burgzorg plays for himself, he strikes me as being happy if he scores and the team loses. He barely runs to track back, he barely runs to challenge, never heads, is a greedy shit and so, so selfish when it comes to chances. He deserves all the criticism coming his way. The very definition of a toxic individual, a bad apple. Get him gone.
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Post by Macduff on Apr 20, 2024 22:57:12 GMT 1
"Would have scored" is an assumption as it was Rudoni in space (and we know his record) with (as has been pointed out) two players on the line. However it was unforgivable to take the shot as he did. To me what Rudoni did shortly after was nearly as bad. In the area, in space, then waited until two defenders were in his face before then taking the shot. Barn doors would have been safe as houses at the Mac today.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Apr 20, 2024 22:58:13 GMT 1
Why was it ludicrous? He chose to shoot at a goalkeeper a yard away from him instead of passing to two options who were in way better positions with no goalkeeper in the way. It has happened time and time again this season and he hasn’t learnt anything. I was a fan of his for about 35 games this season, but he’s completely let us down this last 10 games through sheer selfishness. Not ashamed to say I booed him off today and I never boo. Koroma missed a chance, it happens. Burgzorg turned a golden chance into nothing because he’s greedy. Won’t be missed when he leaves in the summer. You omit to mention the 2 Swansea players on the line. So they were further away than the keeper who was a yard away. |
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Post by stevvy on Apr 20, 2024 23:01:40 GMT 1
He deserved the abuse he got when he was subbed off.
Had he passed and we'd not scored due to a poor shot or a goalline block then fair enough, but when you have 1 or 2 players in a far far better position to score, and instead of trying to pass it to them, you just smash it into an opponents legs when they're a yard away from you as you wanted to score yourself, then you're gonna get that sort of abuse
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Post by Orinoco on Apr 20, 2024 23:03:50 GMT 1
Burgzorg plays for himself, he strikes me as being happy if he scores and the team loses. He barely runs to track back, he barely runs to challenge, never heads, is a greedy shit and so, so selfish when it comes to chances. He deserves all the criticism coming his way. The very definition of a toxic individual, a bad apple. Get him gone. We need team players, not individuals. Greedy kid in the playground he was once called by a poster, the perfect summary of Mr Burgzorg. |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 20, 2024 23:03:53 GMT 1
Don’t forget the negative impact of Burgzorg’s performances on the rest of the team trying to hold things together. You expect a frontman to put his chances away, or create the opportunity to net for a colleague. Not screw them up trying to be a clever sod.
Burgzorg drains the team morale. You could see when Ward and Healey came on the difference they made, harassing and chasing.
As for Cartwright…simple. He has to go. As bad an appointment, if not worse, than Moore off the field.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 20, 2024 23:04:14 GMT 1
You omit to mention the 2 Swansea players on the line. So they were further away than the keeper who was a yard away. There was no guarantee that Rudoni would score, that's the point, no one knows. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Apr 20, 2024 23:05:22 GMT 1
So they were further away than the keeper who was a yard away. There was no guarantee that Rudoni would score, that's the point, no one knows. Still, it’s about percentages and at this point of the season we should take all we can get |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 20, 2024 23:08:23 GMT 1
So they were further away than the keeper who was a yard away. There was no guarantee that Rudoni would score, that's the point, no one knows. He would have had the space and time to finish, unlike our greedy loanee. If he had lifted his head and looked for a split second he would have seen that. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 20, 2024 23:16:37 GMT 1
I wonder if Cartwright will mention Burgzorg when he tells everybody again how he found arnautovic.
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 20, 2024 23:19:03 GMT 1
Don’t forget the negative impact of Burgzorg’s performances on the rest of the team trying to hold things together. You expect a frontman to put his chances away, or create the opportunity to net for a colleague. Not screw them up trying to be a clever sod. Burgzorg drains the team morale. You could see when Ward and Healey came on the difference they made, harassing and chasing. As for Cartwright…simple. He has to go. As bad an appointment, if not worse, than Moore off the field. He’s not a striker, that’s been evident since game one…do we stick Pearson up front and then boo him because he’s shit, or throw Koroma in goals and wonder why we lose 10-0 ? Theres absolutely nothing wrong with Burgzorg as a footballer, that he’s being used because we don’t have a striker who can manage 45minutes is the problem. |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 20, 2024 23:47:20 GMT 1
No, he left ages ago. Hasn't Edwards left? No he hasn't. Not sure who you're thinking of Heard he’d left in February…not seen or heard any evidence to the contrary. Has he been at any games? |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Apr 20, 2024 23:49:14 GMT 1
I said it a month ago, Zorg is no player to have in a relegation fight.
Why on earth he was being picked in this situation I have absolutely no idea.
Not a striker, no passion, no graft, bad decision making.
Have to blame the guy that kept picking him
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Post by wildhogg on Apr 20, 2024 23:56:10 GMT 1
Don’t forget the negative impact of Burgzorg’s performances on the rest of the team trying to hold things together. You expect a frontman to put his chances away, or create the opportunity to net for a colleague. Not screw them up trying to be a clever sod. Burgzorg drains the team morale. You could see when Ward and Healey came on the difference they made, harassing and chasing. As for Cartwright…simple. He has to go. As bad an appointment, if not worse, than Moore off the field. He’s not a striker, that’s been evident since game one…do we stick Pearson up front and then boo him because he’s shit, or throw Koroma in goals and wonder why we lose 10-0 ? Theres absolutely nothing wrong with Burgzorg as a footballer, that he’s being used because we don’t have a striker who can manage 45minutes is the problem. I beg to differ. He's a talented player with the ball at his feet, but his decision-making in goalscoring positions is amongst the worst I've ever seen at any level of the sport. He might not be a striker, but his decision-making would still be shit even if he was being played in his natural position. |
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Post by harris on Apr 21, 2024 3:05:25 GMT 1
Why was it ludicrous? He chose to shoot at a goalkeeper a yard away from him instead of passing to two options who were in way better positions with no goalkeeper in the way. It has happened time and time again this season and he hasn’t learnt anything. I was a fan of his for about 35 games this season, but he’s completely let us down this last 10 games through sheer selfishness. Not ashamed to say I booed him off today and I never boo. Koroma missed a chance, it happens. Burgzorg turned a golden chance into nothing because he’s greedy. Won’t be missed when he leaves in the summer. You omit to mention the 2 Swansea players on the line. Tell me how, from this still, that Burgzorg hasn’t completely selfishly fucked this up… |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 21, 2024 6:45:31 GMT 1
0-0 at the time makes it even worse to look at…
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 21, 2024 7:02:55 GMT 1
You omit to mention the 2 Swansea players on the line. Tell me how, from this still, that Burgzorg hasn’t completely selfishly fucked this up… I never said he hadn't fucked up had did I? But there are still 2 Swansea players on the line, you make it sound like all Rudoni has to do is roll the ball in to an open net, which is not the case. |
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Post by harris on Apr 21, 2024 8:00:21 GMT 1
Tell me how, from this still, that Burgzorg hasn’t completely selfishly fucked this up… I never said he hadn't fucked up had did I? But there are still 2 Swansea players on the line, you make it sound like all Rudoni has to do is roll the ball in to an open net, which is not the case. All I’m saying is, the greedy c*nt got the abuse that this deserves. 3rd maybe 4th time it’s happened this season, selfish and arguably 5 points he’s cost us now from pure selfishness. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 21, 2024 8:05:26 GMT 1
Why’s Burgzorg even still starting up front, with three strikers on the bench?
Awful selection(s) from AB.
Surely he can’t select the same team against Birmingham 😂🙈
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Post by midlander on Apr 21, 2024 8:07:18 GMT 1
Glennon was almost defending Burgzorg on the radio, saying that he's not a striker; which in fairness is correct. Does that excuse him not passing to teammates who have an open goal to aim at, though? No it doesn't. God knows how many goals he's cost us this season. I'm willing to wager 10 at least? Read a lot of this, but his square option was Rudoni. Are you that convinced that he would have found an empty net from fifteen yards with his record of scuffing 90% of shits he hits? |
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Post by harris on Apr 21, 2024 8:10:10 GMT 1
Glennon was almost defending Burgzorg on the radio, saying that he's not a striker; which in fairness is correct. Does that excuse him not passing to teammates who have an open goal to aim at, though? No it doesn't. God knows how many goals he's cost us this season. I'm willing to wager 10 at least? Read a lot of this, but his square option was Rudoni. Are you that convinced that he would have found an empty net from fifteen yards with his record of scuffing 90% of shits he hits? There were still 2 defenders to beat but I’d gamble on that coin flip than the 0% chance of scoring option that Burgzorg took. |
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Post by Haasturner on Apr 21, 2024 8:15:50 GMT 1
Burgzorg is the only player I've seen who's got progressively worse every game. He was awful today, no fight, backed out of challenges, can't head a ball, can't play with his back to goal and refuses to pass. It's like watching an 8 year old play.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 21, 2024 8:21:42 GMT 1
Didn't know we are a 1 man team. Is Burgzorg at fault for schoolboy defending? Is he at fault for defence and midfield not being able to pass a ball? He has his flaws - but the criticism is way over the top. Soz, saw you post after I posted mine. I agree totally but he is never a centre forward as long as I’ve got an hole in my arse. He makes a good boo boy though. Some of the abuse he received today was out of order especially when Matos had a real dogs dinner of a game. Spot on! |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 21, 2024 8:22:07 GMT 1
Glennon was almost defending Burgzorg on the radio, saying that he's not a striker; which in fairness is correct. Does that excuse him not passing to teammates who have an open goal to aim at, though? No it doesn't. God knows how many goals he's cost us this season. I'm willing to wager 10 at least? Read a lot of this, but his square option was Rudoni. Are you that convinced that he would have found an empty net from fifteen yards with his record of scuffing 90% of shits he hits? Yes. I think he would. And if he hadn't, that wouldn't be Burgzorg's fault! If the argument in favour of Burgzorg there is that he didn't pass to Rudoni because he didn't have faith in him to put it away then that is worse than greed. It's a lack of faith in your teammates. When you are in the shit as we are, a team spirit is the very first thing you need. |
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