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Post by Larry David on Apr 21, 2024 17:03:12 GMT 1
We know we can rely on Worthy as a good caretaker manager Sheff Utd could make us only the 4th worst prem team of all time. Helik, Rudoni and Sorba's transfer values will have all increased. And our owner is willing to splash the cash Helik value may have increased, but I doubt Rudonis and Sorbas have. Rudoni works like a trooper but contributes little to goals and assists. Sorba, I'm not sure. Great whip on him but throws his hands up and spits his dummy out a lot. I'm not sure if he's got the right attitude to go higher. Agree with this. Works hard. Can frequently cross to create chances, although that's getting worse. Awful finisher though. Literally one of the worst I've seen. Think he is a bit of a one trick pony. He has had a go in a top half championship team a few times and has done ok. Someone may take a punt and I would sell. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Apr 21, 2024 17:07:09 GMT 1
Helik value may have increased, but I doubt Rudonis and Sorbas have. Rudoni works like a trooper but contributes little to goals and assists. Sorba, I'm not sure. Great whip on him but throws his hands up and spits his dummy out a lot. I'm not sure if he's got the right attitude to go higher. Agree with this. Works hard. Can frequently cross to create chances, although that's getting worse. Awful finisher though. Literally one of the worst I've seen. Think he is a bit of a one trick pony. He has had a go in a top half championship team a few times and has done ok. Someone may take a punt and I would sell. I could see a lower championship club wanting him (Preston, millwall). But top half? Not a chance. In any attacking side with a proper style of play I think his technical deficiencies would get found out pretty quickly |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 21, 2024 17:27:53 GMT 1
I saw Warnock manage eight more games than I expected him to.
About the only positive for me, as it was he who rejuvenated my passion for the club last season. I'd really fallen out with it by the time Fotheringham had been sacked.
Sadly, I'm at that point again, only worse.
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Post by Big Jim on Apr 21, 2024 17:37:19 GMT 1
I saw Warnock manage eight more games than I expected him to. About the only positive for me, as it was he who rejuvenated my passion for the club last season. I'd really fallen out with it by the time Fotheringham had been sacked. Sadly, I'm at that point again, only worse. Neil Warnock had a messiah complex, and with fans like you, it's easy to see why. He made out he was doing the club a favour and that he was bigger than the club. Yes, he saved us from relegation, but we also took a load of paggerings under him like Plymouth and Norwich this season. Warnock isn't the be-all and end-all, and there's reasons why he's never really had longevity at any club other than Sheff United. I'm grateful for the 2/3 months of last season, but I apologize if I don't feel the need to erect a statue and give him a Pride of Britain award. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 21, 2024 17:39:01 GMT 1
I saw Warnock manage eight more games than I expected him to. About the only positive for me, as it was he who rejuvenated my passion for the club last season. I'd really fallen out with it by the time Fotheringham had been sacked. Sadly, I'm at that point again, only worse. Neil Warnock had a messiah complex, and with fans like you, it's easy to see why. He made out he was doing the club a favour and that he was bigger than the club. Yes, he saved us from relegation, but we also took a load of paggerings under him like Plymouth and Norwich this season. Warnock isn't the be-all and end-all, and there's reasons why he's never really had longevity at any club other than Sheff United. I'm grateful for the 2/3 months of last season, but I apologize if I don't feel the need to erect a statue and give him a Pride of Britain award. Fans like me? |
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Post by Big Jim on Apr 21, 2024 17:41:21 GMT 1
Neil Warnock had a messiah complex, and with fans like you, it's easy to see why. He made out he was doing the club a favour and that he was bigger than the club. Yes, he saved us from relegation, but we also took a load of paggerings under him like Plymouth and Norwich this season. Warnock isn't the be-all and end-all, and there's reasons why he's never really had longevity at any club other than Sheff United. I'm grateful for the 2/3 months of last season, but I apologize if I don't feel the need to erect a statue and give him a Pride of Britain award. Fans like me? Fans who's seem to think the worst decision ever was to let him go. Who idolise him and put him on a pedestal. He was good last season, but he's not bigger than the club, we don't need anyone who thinks they're doing us a favour and it's time to stop comparing every future manager to him. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 21, 2024 17:48:17 GMT 1
Fans who's seem to think the worst decision ever was to let him go. Who idolise him and put him on a pedestal. He was good last season, but he's not bigger than the club, we don't need anyone who thinks they're doing us a favour and it's time to stop comparing every future manager to him. Never said any of that though, did I? I enjoyed seeing the fanbase united for a short period, as it hasn't happened often, and it was Warnock that did that. I've only ever seen Wagner and perhaps Peter Jackson do that in the past. Keep on with the agenda though 👍 |
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 21, 2024 17:52:14 GMT 1
Another positive is that ManUre fans still can't give us stick without getting some as well
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Post by King Neil on Apr 21, 2024 18:12:17 GMT 1
Fans who's seem to think the worst decision ever was to let him go. Who idolise him and put him on a pedestal. He was good last season, but he's not bigger than the club, we don't need anyone who thinks they're doing us a favour and it's time to stop comparing every future manager to him. But he was the messiah!! I'm old enough to have enjoyed the King both times around And yes he is the best thing since sliced bread..name someone who has done better for us in the past 30 years!! It's managers who get results not owners cheque books...the owner could not stand anyone with a bigger ego than his that's why he had to go All this bullshit about managers being bigger than the club! Well give me a manager with an ego and championship football..instead of what we have to come If your anti warnock then your not much of a town fan considering all he has done for the club |
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Post by Big Jim on Apr 21, 2024 18:15:14 GMT 1
Fans who's seem to think the worst decision ever was to let him go. Who idolise him and put him on a pedestal. He was good last season, but he's not bigger than the club, we don't need anyone who thinks they're doing us a favour and it's time to stop comparing every future manager to him. But he was the messiah!! I'm old enough to have enjoyed the King both times around And yes he is the best thing since sliced bread..name someone who has done better for us in the past 30 years!! It's managers who get results not owners cheque books...the owner could not stand anyone with a bigger ego than his that's why he had to go All this bullshit about managers being bigger than the club! Well give me a manager with an ego and championship football..instead of what we have to come If your anti warnock then your not much of a town fan considering all he has done for the club Name someone who has done better in the last 30 years? Wagner. I respect and thank him for what he did. He did a very good job. He also thought he was bigger than the club. |
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Post by King Neil on Apr 21, 2024 18:18:48 GMT 1
But he was the messiah!! I'm old enough to have enjoyed the King both times around And yes he is the best thing since sliced bread..name someone who has done better for us in the past 30 years!! It's managers who get results not owners cheque books...the owner could not stand anyone with a bigger ego than his that's why he had to go All this bullshit about managers being bigger than the club! Well give me a manager with an ego and championship football..instead of what we have to come If your anti warnock then your not much of a town fan considering all he has done for the club Name someone who has done better in the last 30 years? Wagner. I respect and thank him for what he did. He did a very good job. He also thought he was bigger than the club. So what if people want to believe this He has great affection for the club |
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Post by joek on Apr 21, 2024 18:55:18 GMT 1
But he was the messiah!! I'm old enough to have enjoyed the King both times around And yes he is the best thing since sliced bread..name someone who has done better for us in the past 30 years!! It's managers who get results not owners cheque books...the owner could not stand anyone with a bigger ego than his that's why he had to go All this bullshit about managers being bigger than the club! Well give me a manager with an ego and championship football..instead of what we have to come If your anti warnock then your not much of a town fan considering all he has done for the club Name someone who has done better in the last 30 years? Wagner. I respect and thank him for what he did. He did a very good job. He also thought he was bigger than the club. You’re acknowledging he did a very good job. Did Moore? Has AB? Agree he’s an arrogant sod but so what? Appreciate we’re covering well trodden ground here but when they offered Warnock the job for this season, they simply cannot then bin him off after seven games. My blood is boiling just writing this. Absolutely one of the worst decisions taken in the last 30 years, and given how long that list is, that’s some achievement. |
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Post by htfcterry on Apr 21, 2024 18:56:13 GMT 1
I'm really struggling here. Spencer having his breakthrough season maybe? Although it was another team who developed him and he was only recalled due to injuries. What a complete shitshow. The people involved should be ashamed! We can't finish bottom is the biggest positive of this season. |
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Post by willo on Apr 21, 2024 19:14:26 GMT 1
Fans who's seem to think the worst decision ever was to let him go. Who idolise him and put him on a pedestal. He was good last season, but he's not bigger than the club, we don't need anyone who thinks they're doing us a favour and it's time to stop comparing every future manager to him. As mosher pointed out a few days ago, the time for the club to bid Warnock farewell was after last season’s exploits. To get him to carry on into this season only to then sack him a few games in was plain idiotic. |
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Post by Big Jim on Apr 21, 2024 19:18:52 GMT 1
Name someone who has done better in the last 30 years? Wagner. I respect and thank him for what he did. He did a very good job. He also thought he was bigger than the club. You’re acknowledging he did a very good job. Did Moore? Has AB? Agree he’s an arrogant sod but so what? Appreciate we’re covering well trodden ground here but when they offered Warnock the job for this season, they simply cannot then bin him off after seven games. My blood is boiling just writing this. Absolutely one of the worst decisions taken in the last 30 years, and given how long that list is, that’s some achievement. I agree. Warnock shouldn't have been given 8 games of the season. He either gets the full season (results dependant) or none of it. DM was a shit show, but my jury is still out on Andre. I want to have faith in him, I don't want to chop and change managers every 2 minutes. No matter what happens, I hope AB leads us into next season. Unfortunately, it seems he may walk, hope not though. |
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Post by Big Jim on Apr 21, 2024 19:19:43 GMT 1
Fans who's seem to think the worst decision ever was to let him go. Who idolise him and put him on a pedestal. He was good last season, but he's not bigger than the club, we don't need anyone who thinks they're doing us a favour and it's time to stop comparing every future manager to him. As mosher pointed out a few days ago, the time for the club to bid Warnock farewell was after last season’s exploits. To get him to carry on into this season only to then sack him a few games in was plain idiotic. I agree. I'm still struggling with the logic. I'm trying, but I can't see any reason why someone would do that. |
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Post by willo on Apr 21, 2024 19:54:59 GMT 1
As mosher pointed out a few days ago, the time for the club to bid Warnock farewell was after last season’s exploits. To get him to carry on into this season only to then sack him a few games in was plain idiotic. I agree. I'm still struggling with the logic. I'm trying, but I can't see any reason why someone would do that. Honestly (and despite the club’s protestations), it has to have been down to that tweet following the Norwich home defeat that prompted the response from NW which led to the split. I don’t believe it was anything but that and I don’t buy the bollocks they went in for Moore when they did because he was available. Utter crap. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 21, 2024 20:06:58 GMT 1
I agree. I'm still struggling with the logic. I'm trying, but I can't see any reason why someone would do that. Honestly (and despite the club’s protestations), it has to have been down to that tweet following the Norwich home defeat that prompted the response from NW which led to the split. I don’t believe it was anything but that and I don’t buy the bollocks they went in for Moore when they did because he was available. Utter crap. Warnock and Nagle had fallen out long before the Norwich tweet. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 21, 2024 20:15:12 GMT 1
But he was the messiah!! I'm old enough to have enjoyed the King both times around And yes he is the best thing since sliced bread..name someone who has done better for us in the past 30 years!! It's managers who get results not owners cheque books...the owner could not stand anyone with a bigger ego than his that's why he had to go All this bullshit about managers being bigger than the club! Well give me a manager with an ego and championship football..instead of what we have to come If your anti warnock then your not much of a town fan considering all he has done for the club Name someone who has done better in the last 30 years? Wagner. I respect and thank him for what he did. He did a very good job. He also thought he was bigger than the club. I would rather have the biggest prick in charge who thought he was bigger than the club than someone who looks/sounds like they don't give a shit, like DM and AB. If he gets results and keeps us up. + why wouldn't Warnock think he knows more than Cartwright, Edwards and Nagle? It's like a normal working man doing a good job for 30 years, only for someone new coming in for a week and telling him how he's doing stuff wrong / needs to change etc. The old boy would tell the young kid to jog on. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 21, 2024 20:17:38 GMT 1
Warnock getting the send off he deserved.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 21, 2024 20:20:31 GMT 1
As mosher pointed out a few days ago, the time for the club to bid Warnock farewell was after last season’s exploits. To get him to carry on into this season only to then sack him a few games in was plain idiotic. I agree. I'm still struggling with the logic. I'm trying, but I can't see any reason why someone would do that. Because of how he was conducting himself off the field. It has been said numerous times. That is the logic. Doesn't matter who you are and how we'll you have/were doing, when you become unprofessional, itl only end one way. We can all bring up that tweet from Nagle, end of the day, he is the boss. This season needs to be done. People need to get over Warnock mutually agreeing to leave, not sacked. People need to get over that tweet. People need to get over the appointment of Moore. It is all in the past. We can all go on about it, but nothing is going to change. The situation we are currently in is diabolical. It really is. But repeating the same shit over and over can't be good for anyone. |
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Post by King Neil on Apr 21, 2024 20:36:05 GMT 1
I agree. I'm still struggling with the logic. I'm trying, but I can't see any reason why someone would do that. Because of how he was conducting himself off the field. It has been said numerous times. That is the logic. Doesn't matter who you are and how we'll you have/were doing, when you become unprofessional, itl only end one way. We can all bring up that tweet from Nagle, end of the day, he is the boss. This season needs to be done. People need to get over Warnock mutually agreeing to leave, not sacked. People need to get over that tweet. People need to get over the appointment of Moore. It is all in the past. We can all go on about it, but nothing is going to change. The situation we are currently in is diabolical. It really is. But repeating the same shit over and over can't be good for anyone. Your never going to achieve anything with a Yes man in charge Clough..ferguson..Warnock...when you have a talent you don't need telling what to do or who to sign...especially from some lard arse from stoke |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Apr 21, 2024 20:44:18 GMT 1
Positives. Took my daughter to her first 2 games and she’s managed to come away unbeaten and but for a 95th minute ricochet off a knee at QPR would have been 6 points from 6. Maybe I should have brought her more often….
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Post by rockwall on Apr 21, 2024 20:54:18 GMT 1
Because of how he was conducting himself off the field. It has been said numerous times. That is the logic. Doesn't matter who you are and how we'll you have/were doing, when you become unprofessional, itl only end one way. We can all bring up that tweet from Nagle, end of the day, he is the boss. This season needs to be done. People need to get over Warnock mutually agreeing to leave, not sacked. People need to get over that tweet. People need to get over the appointment of Moore. It is all in the past. We can all go on about it, but nothing is going to change. The situation we are currently in is diabolical. It really is. But repeating the same shit over and over can't be good for anyone. Your never going to achieve anything with a Yes man in charge Clough..ferguson..Warnock...when you have a talent you don't need telling what to do or who to sign...especially from some lard arse from stoke Never mentioned a yes man.... Clough and Fergie never actually thought they were bigger than the clubs either. You really need to let go and move on. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 21, 2024 21:19:20 GMT 1
One positive is possibly at least the hangover of DH will be finally over after this year. The underlying lack of investment for far too long will hopefully now be over . Hopefully. 🤞
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Post by King Neil on Apr 21, 2024 21:25:54 GMT 1
Your never going to achieve anything with a Yes man in charge Clough..ferguson..Warnock...when you have a talent you don't need telling what to do or who to sign...especially from some lard arse from stoke Never mentioned a yes man.... Clough and Fergie never actually thought they were bigger than the clubs either. You really need to let go and move on. The pro Neil brigade did tell you all what was going to happen several months ago when all this happened...I get no kick from this at all But sweeping it all under the carpet is not acceptable either Kev & Co made a big mistake and now we are being promoted to league 1 I think kev is an honest guy,,but very naive about English football..he probably thought it was going to be easier than this |
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Post by westislandterrier on Apr 21, 2024 22:25:07 GMT 1
Positives From The Season ?
Geen - Aucun - Kiner - Nessuno - Keng - Nenhnm - Ninguno - Ingin - Gin Sthu -
For all our fans in Holland, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Portugal, Spain, Denmark and Gaelic speaking areas of Scotland (thanks for translation of last one mama Mia) !
Or in ma own most vocal Scottish accent...
ABSOLUTELY - F#CKIN - NONE !!! 😬 ☹️ ☹️ 😬
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Post by rockwall on Apr 22, 2024 6:48:42 GMT 1
Never mentioned a yes man.... Clough and Fergie never actually thought they were bigger than the clubs either. You really need to let go and move on. The pro Neil brigade did tell you all what was going to happen several months ago when all this happened...I get no kick from this at all But sweeping it all under the carpet is not acceptable either Kev & Co made a big mistake and now we are being promoted to league 1 I think kev is an honest guy,,but very naive about English football..he probably thought it was going to be easier than this The mistake was Warnocks behaviour. If he had just got on with his job instead of trying to get involved in other things, they wouldn't have had to make that decision. It was tough, as Warnock had instilled belief in the squad and fanbase. People also says KN doesn't know the English game - I agree - but Warnock also stated that 'this squad is good enough for the play offs'. People blame Kev for everything, but Warnocks antics off the field haven't helped. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 22, 2024 7:32:27 GMT 1
The pro Neil brigade did tell you all what was going to happen several months ago when all this happened...I get no kick from this at all But sweeping it all under the carpet is not acceptable either Kev & Co made a big mistake and now we are being promoted to league 1 I think kev is an honest guy,,but very naive about English football..he probably thought it was going to be easier than this The mistake was Warnocks behaviour. If he had just got on with his job instead of trying to get involved in other things, they wouldn't have had to make that decision. It was tough, as Warnock had instilled belief in the squad and fanbase. People also says KN doesn't know the English game - I agree - but Warnock also stated that 'this squad is good enough for the play offs'. People blame Kev for everything, but Warnocks antics off the field haven't helped. The rot had set in under the 2 previous regimes who invested nothing in the squad, relegation, if it should come to pass, is a culmination of previous inertia. Nagle and Edwards have probably been too complacent and misjudged the Warnock and Moore situations, ignoring or again, misjudging, the squad deficiencies. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 22, 2024 7:39:59 GMT 1
Positives would have to be my judgement early this season that we would go down and that the club itself is toxic to be proven absolutely correct. The new gaffer installing his cronies who have simply not got a clue.
Next season if he does not take a hands on approach as well as bring in people who know what the hell they are doing then it will be much much worse.
No positives at all as far as football or players are concerned.
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