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Post by htafcokay on Apr 22, 2024 19:42:44 GMT 1
How can a fanbase be toxic when we accept the following. 1. Kyle Hudlin starting games. 2. Performances such as Hull at home. 3. Celebrating a 0-0 draw with Watford. 4. Celebrating a 5-3 loss at Southampton. All the above should not happen. But that is how bad it has got that the 4 points (there will be more) have kept fans happy! Beggers belief. I think the age of social media and gullible idiots has got a lot to do with shit like this. For example: Club account posting videos of Hudlin et al. doing something half decent in a B-Team game despite being utterly garbage for the rest of the game. Gullible idiots swooning over it. Club posting "we go again" type shite after pathetic defeats usually with a picture of Hoggy - And gullible idiots forgetting what they've just seen with their own eyes and expecting to see a new team next week. And fans posting "My striker š" or "my Head Coach š" when we win a game or Danny Ward gets his obligatory three a season. The whole Hudlin thing was mad, and similarly last season it was Danny Grant. Fans begging for him to play and crying when he wasn't. Last season after that pathetic display at Wigan, Pelach and Clements posting "we go again", and fans swallowing it up and saying, "we love you, we don't blame you, you get the club" and so on. Modern football, ain't it brilliant... |
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 22, 2024 19:54:12 GMT 1
I think our fans have been extremely patient and I think a lot of that stems from some of our fans worshiping the ground Dean Hoyle walks on!
They believed every word he uttered, bought into the small club mentality that he created and made many believe that having our 2 seasons in the prem meant we should be eternally grateful and to expect anymore success was being entitled spoiled brats.
Had a foreign owner run the club like he had since leaving the prem (yes I know he was ill) I think patience wouldāve have vanished a long time ago and it wouldāve become toxic a lot sooner.
It seems strange how we appear so quick to turn on Nagle, who I believe will be a very good owner for us, but allowed Hoyle and his merry men season after season of criminal underinvestment in the 1st team squad culminating in relegation this season!
Iām glad fans have finally started to show some anger as that is far better than apathy, the club has got away with coasting along for far too long and things have to change. UTT
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Post by specialun on Apr 22, 2024 19:58:35 GMT 1
The second goal is one of the worst goals Iāve seen us concede as a team
Free kick promising position
All centre halves up
Thomas plays it straight into the keepers arms at least 10 yards from the target
Keeper and left back react left back sprints the length of the field
Where are we? We couldnāt be arsed or donāt have the legs to get back
And second point - thatās the at least half a dozen time weāve capitulated this season. No matter who the manager. Once is forgivesble several times beyond laughable
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 22, 2024 20:05:45 GMT 1
Saturday will be interesting if we are relegated at 5pm.
Some fans will drift off, some will vent.
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 22, 2024 20:20:23 GMT 1
We have got very good fans for not rioting after the shite we've had to watch with only 2 good seasons (3 if you include 2017/18) in the last 12. Whilst the atmosphere isn't always incredible we can get going with just a strong tackle or good chance and to be fair it was decent in the first 25 minutes of the second half on Saturday.
I didn't boo Burgzorg going off or at full time but can't really criticise anyone who did.
If Leeds had gone through what we've gone through there wouldn't be 10 gome fans at their stadium on match days.
You can't call us toxic for criticising players when some of them look half-arsed, many are unfit, often can't pass the fucking ball 5 yards forward and have a shite mentality that can see us fall to shit on an all too regular basis.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 22, 2024 20:24:13 GMT 1
I did notice a difference in the atmosphere last Saturday.
Certainly amongst people sat around me.
Throughout this season itās largely been apathy and frustration , but on Saturday this was replaced with real anger.
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 22, 2024 20:25:09 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure we've scored the least goals and won the least games of the 92 in the past decade. That's even with one promotion and one third place. We threw away our place in the top division, paid what was supposed to be the legacy to our former owner, leaving us thoroughly disillusioned, chewed up and spat out by goings on upstairs. That's not even the half of it.
Are we toxic? Yes. To the point of might be detrimental to the players? Maybe. Do we have the right to feel like that. Of course we do! The club is full of overpaid, gutless, and downright thick chancers on and off the pitch, and has been for years.
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Post by alexdire on Apr 22, 2024 20:36:24 GMT 1
The fans are not toxic,just apathetic now. Despite the last few games under Warnock, the last two seasons have been very draining and awful. I can't say what the 20/21 season was like as it was all on TV.
It was a lot more toxic during the dog days of Davy. T-shirts, banners and protests after the match. I also remember Longbottom out during the late 80's.
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Post by Bilo the Bantam on Apr 22, 2024 20:40:11 GMT 1
My God. I'd love to see how a bigger fan base would have reacted to what we've put up with over last few years. Weād have loved it mate. |
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Post by alfredsterrier on Apr 22, 2024 20:46:12 GMT 1
I think the fans have been incredibly patient tbh.
The support is there, week in and out.
Given that the club spent all week getting the players to post rallying messages to the fans and then they turn in that performance the fans are entitled to vent.
All season itās been a case of youāre the 12th man etc etc and they never perform.
I donāt think itās entitlement from the fans as much as frustration.
Somehow we reached the prem and the money should have secured us for a good amount of time the ability to sign better players etc etc and to gradually build.
Itās just been such a disaster since it probably was never worth getting there if we knew what we do now.
KN has a hard job convincing people as many feel completely let down by the subsequent actions of our former chairman following the prem years.
Of course some fans will drop off but the reality is most stick by the club through thick and thin.
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 22, 2024 20:46:15 GMT 1
My God. I'd love to see how a bigger fan base would have reacted to what we've put up with over last few years. Weād have loved it mate. Not now. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 22, 2024 20:49:09 GMT 1
The second goal is one of the worst goals Iāve seen us concede as a team Free kick promising position All centre halves up Thomas plays it straight into the keepers arms at least 10 yards from the target Keeper and left back react left back sprints the length of the field Where are we? We couldnāt be arsed or donāt have the legs to get back And second point - thatās the at least half a dozen time weāve capitulated this season. No matter who the manager. Once is forgivesble several times beyond laughable Reminded me of that goal we conceded against MK Dons at the start of 2008/09 under Ternant, straight from our own corner. Both absolute embarrassments. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 22, 2024 20:56:17 GMT 1
I did notice a difference in the atmosphere last Saturday. Certainly amongst people sat around me. Throughout this season itās largely been apathy and frustration , but on Saturday this was replaced with real anger. I think because realisation had set in that we're going down. |
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Post by hd9terrier on Apr 22, 2024 21:00:07 GMT 1
No, what other fans have had to endure the rubbish we have since premier league relegation? How many games have we watched where we havenāt seen a shot on target? There was the exception where we got back to Wembley but we had a superb manager in carlos. A lot of fans have remained happy clappers. I still think if we put in a Swansea esque performance on Saturday there will be a large number of fans left in the ground at full time applauding the players and clubs efforts this season. Iām sure Bradford City fans would disagree. |
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Post by hd9terrier on Apr 22, 2024 21:01:27 GMT 1
No, what other fans have had to endure the rubbish we have since premier league relegation? How many games have we watched where we havenāt seen a shot on target? There was the exception where we got back to Wembley but we had a superb manager in carlos. A lot of fans have remained happy clappers. I still think if we put in a Swansea esque performance on Saturday there will be a large number of fans left in the ground at full time applauding the players and clubs efforts this season. Iām sure Bradford City fans would disagree. Theyāre a lower league club. Different expectations. |
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Post by blackmoreisgod on Apr 22, 2024 21:21:06 GMT 1
Clubs sometimes get the fans they deserve. This badly run shambles of a club has got more than it deserves.
One thing that has really surprised me during this miserable season has been how well the attendance numbers have stood up.If the fan base was really apathetic the attendances would have dropped off much more.
If there is any toxicity it comes from the soul destroying shite we're expected to cheer on. A seemingly bottomless pit of mis-shapes, mistakes and misfits as directors of football and head coaches.
The complete and utter non-entity that is Darren Moore.
Too many inexperienced players and coaches signed as development projects that never come to fruition. A succession of injury prone players signed.
Crying the poor tale about not being able to afford better when similar sized clubs such as Preston and Millwall usually find a way to be competitive.
This club has been bloody lucky the fans haven't turned sooner or been properly toxic.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 21:39:56 GMT 1
Iām sure Bradford City fans would disagree. Theyāre a lower league club. Different expectations. In what sense are they a lower league club? Switch owners and weād very quickly switch league positions. |
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Post by King Neil on Apr 22, 2024 21:46:21 GMT 1
I can't understand how they can't even get out of league 2 with 40,000 crowds at vile parade
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 21:55:50 GMT 1
The biggest shit show in the entire league if you ask me.
Regarding our fans. 7000 Sheff Wed fans at Blackburn, Birmingham already sold out against Norwich. Weāre not toxic, weāre just a bit shit.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 22, 2024 22:04:10 GMT 1
Theyāre a lower league club. Different expectations. In what sense are they a lower league club? Switch owners and weād very quickly switch league positions. The fact that they've spent more time in the bottom two tiers than the top two. It's not rocket science, is it? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 22, 2024 22:06:27 GMT 1
The biggest shit show in the entire league if you ask me. Regarding our fans. 7000 Sheff Wed fans at Blackburn, Birmingham already sold out against Norwich. Weāre not toxic, weāre just a bit shit. Comparing the fan bases of clubs in huge cities to ours means nothing really, does it? |
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Post by benhomly on Apr 22, 2024 22:26:54 GMT 1
The biggest shit show in the entire league if you ask me. Regarding our fans. 7000 Sheff Wed fans at Blackburn, Birmingham already sold out against Norwich. Weāre not toxic, weāre just a bit shit. Comparing the fan bases of clubs in huge cities to ours means nothing really, does it? He/She is happy to finish 21st in this league full of big city clubs for the next 50 years yet calls out our fans for not taking the same numbers to away games as those big city clubs. Says it all really. |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 22:29:29 GMT 1
In what sense are they a lower league club? Switch owners and weād very quickly switch league positions. The fact that they've spent more time in the bottom two tiers than the top two. It's not rocket science, is it? When i went to school they were very similar in every way. Anything that happened before that doesnāt seem too relevant in terms of current fans expectations.Iām fairly sure they do not see us a bigger/higher league club on the whole. |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 22:33:31 GMT 1
Comparing the fan bases of clubs in huge cities to ours means nothing really, does it? He/She is happy to finish 21st in this league full of big city clubs for the next 50 years yet calls out our fans for not taking the same numbers to away games as those big city clubs. Says it all really. and yet you think 21st in the Championship is not good enough and you deserve more, despite then saying we canāt compete with fan numbers. Make your mind up. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Apr 22, 2024 22:36:04 GMT 1
Think some of the toxicity comes from the disdain for happy clappers. Club seems to listen to them way more than realists and it shows. Saturday for example, Iām stood after the game waiting for the crowds to go and there are loads of kids wanting pictures and with them cardboard signs begging for a shirt, which Nicholls actually gave by the way. Add to that there were people actually clapping the players off . I couldnāt believe it.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 22:40:49 GMT 1
andā¦. logic dictates smaller towns with less potential supporters would have to charge more to be able to compete with those in cities? No say Town fans, season tickets should cost Ā£250 and with that Ā£250 we should be pushing for the Premier League.
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Post by benhomly on Apr 22, 2024 22:49:35 GMT 1
He/She is happy to finish 21st in this league full of big city clubs for the next 50 years yet calls out our fans for not taking the same numbers to away games as those big city clubs. Says it all really. and yet you think 21st in the Championship is not good enough and you deserve more, despite then saying we canāt compete with fan numbers. Make your mind up. Where the chuff did that come from. I'm one of the few who couldn't give a shit if we go down this Saturday or next. I'll be at Ipswich even if we're confirmed relegated this weekend and although it's not guaranteed I'll be looking forward to winning more games next season and hopefully challenging at the top end of a division for a change. I know we're all entitled to our opinions but the guff you and Slapps come out with about just being happy to be one of the worst teams in the Championship year in year out is just baffling to me. Are you the same person? Some of the best times as a fan for me have been winning a title, automatic promotion and 4 play off finals. It certainly hasn't been losing by 4 goals or more 10 times in a season but thinking to myself 'ah well we might still stay up and go through it all again next season'. All of those promotions bar one have been from the bottom 2 divisions. Imagine not having anything like that to celebrate if we just finished 21st in the Championship every chuffing season. It just doesn't make sense. |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 23:16:21 GMT 1
and yet you think 21st in the Championship is not good enough and you deserve more, despite then saying we canāt compete with fan numbers. Make your mind up. Where the chuff did that come from. I'm one of the few who couldn't give a shit if we go down this Saturday or next. I'll be at Ipswich even if we're confirmed relegated this weekend and although it's not guaranteed I'll be looking forward to winning more games next season and hopefully challenging at the top end of a division for a change. I know we're all entitled to our opinions but the guff you and Slapps come out with about just being happy to be one of the worst teams in the Championship year in year out is just baffling to me. Are you the same person? Some of the best times as a fan for me have been winning a title, automatic promotion and 4 play off finals. It certainly hasn't been losing by 4 goals or more 10 times in a season but thinking to myself 'ah well we might still stay up and go through it all again next season'. All of those promotions bar one have been from the bottom 2 divisions. Imagine not having anything like that to celebrate if we just finished 21st in the Championship every chuffing season. It just doesn't make sense. Iāll go with the slightest chance of staying up. Hotel booked but i wonāt go if we have nothing on it, they donāt need my support in that .scenario. I just think the mind plays tricks. Those lower league days had highlight s but on the who were rubbish. I remember Mick Wadsworth. I remember Hartlepool on a Tuesday. Now Kevin is on board my expectations/hopes are higher than 21st in the Championship long term but for the last 10 years we have been punching above our wealth. |
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Post by terryya on Apr 22, 2024 23:23:59 GMT 1
Haven't we got the worst goal difference of any PL/EFL team over the last 10 years? I'm sure I saw a tweet on it recently that showed it was minus 170.
We've put up with some right dross. Even when we fell into a pile of rose petals we managed to come up stinking of shit.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 22, 2024 23:47:28 GMT 1
Haven't we got the worst goal difference of any PL/EFL team over the last 10 years? I'm sure I saw a tweet on it recently that showed it was minus 170. We've put up with some right dross. Even when we feel into a pile of rose petals we managed to come up stinking of shit. Yep, even when we got promoted to the prem it was with a minus goal difference.  |
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