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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 27, 2024 18:05:28 GMT 1
Where's NW and his shit pre-season option? I need that for my multiple choice. That pre season trip to play 10th tier teams was utterly bizarre!!!! Fucking stupid would be better wording |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 27, 2024 18:06:38 GMT 1
Where's NW and his shit pre-season option? I need that for my multiple choice. That pre season trip to play 10th tier teams was utterly bizarre!!!! So bizarre that he's done it at every club he's managed in the last 30 years. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 27, 2024 18:07:01 GMT 1
Nagle.
He's the man at the top, the buck stops with him.
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Post by stevvy on Apr 27, 2024 18:12:37 GMT 1
Not sure where to start, but the players are massively at fault, as is the fact that for years we've tried to do things on the cheap with free transfers, kids, hopeful punts from lower leagues etc, while other teams bring in proven championship quality players year after year.
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 27, 2024 18:39:13 GMT 1
Where's NW and his shit pre-season option? I need that for my multiple choice. That pre season trip to play 10th tier teams was utterly bizarre!!!! And it used up all of our goals just in preseason |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 27, 2024 18:40:15 GMT 1
Injuries
Would not be in this position if we had the majority of our senior players available for a decent portion of the season.
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 27, 2024 18:42:47 GMT 1
Where's the option for firing our best chance of staying up after 6 games?
Oh no, I remember now - that was "part of the plan".
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Post by royrace on Apr 27, 2024 18:44:30 GMT 1
That pre season trip to play 10th tier teams was utterly bizarre!!!! So bizarre that he's done it at every club he's managed in the last 30 years. It's fucking staggering people blame this it really is. If that's the conclusion they draw after watching this season then I'm sorry they shouldn't be allowed out the house. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 27, 2024 18:45:49 GMT 1
So bizarre that he's done it at every club he's managed in the last 30 years. It's fucking staggering people blame this it really is. If that's the conclusion they draw after watching this season then I'm sorry they shouldn't be allowed out the house. They'll blame anyone but Nagle. |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Apr 27, 2024 18:46:29 GMT 1
Rebecca Welch
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Post by pinstripe on Apr 27, 2024 18:49:08 GMT 1
Where’s the option to select six of these options at a time?
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Post by kirkheatonterrier on Apr 27, 2024 19:41:15 GMT 1
Cartwright. Probably the worst in a long list of terrible DOF's. We've not had a good one since Webber. Recruitment of managers and players has been embarrassingly bad (except Warnock, but he put that right soon enough)
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 27, 2024 20:07:38 GMT 1
Just a collective failure on everyone’s part. Every decision we have made has failed from keeping warnock onTBF CS how do you KNOW that decision failed? It wasn't given nearly enough time to see if it was the correct decision. |
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Post by impact on Apr 27, 2024 20:11:46 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle getting more votes than Nagle and co is hilarious.
Hoyle left before the summer. The current regime could have changed things, yet we have gone massively downhill since then.
We got relegated once in 15 years under Hoyle. We got relegated the first year he wasn't involved. Does he have some blame? Of course. But Nagle has had the club for a year and he has made terrible decision after terrible decision.
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Post by tottz on Apr 27, 2024 20:16:03 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle getting more votes than Nagle and co is hilarious. Hoyle left before the summer. The current regime could have changed things, yet we have gone massively downhill since then. We got relegated once in 15 years under Hoyle. We got relegated the first year he wasn't involved. Does he have some blame? Of course. But Nagle has had the club for a year and he has made terrible decision after terrible decision. Got rid of LOB and Toffolo, wouldn’t sanction deals for Carlton Morris and other players that led to Corberan resigning. Replaced him with the cheap option in Danny Schofield, oh and he sold up to Phil with a deal that financially hamstrung him and drained the club of the benefits of parachute payments. But no, I don’t think he has any responsibility for our demise… |
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Post by wigster on Apr 27, 2024 20:25:15 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle getting more votes than Nagle and co is hilarious. Hoyle left before the summer. The current regime could have changed things, yet we have gone massively downhill since then. We got relegated once in 15 years under Hoyle. We got relegated the first year he wasn't involved. Does he have some blame? Of course. But Nagle has had the club for a year and he has made terrible decision after terrible decision. Got rid of LOB and Toffolo, wouldn’t sanction deals for Carlton Morris and other players that led to Corberan resigning. Replaced him with the cheap option in Danny Schofield, oh and he sold up to Phil with a deal that financially hamstrung him and drained the club of the benefits of parachute payments. But no, I don’t think he has any responsibility for our demise… In his own words - he CHASED Phil Hodgkinson. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Apr 27, 2024 20:26:45 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle getting more votes than Nagle and co is hilarious. Hoyle left before the summer. The current regime could have changed things, yet we have gone massively downhill since then. We got relegated once in 15 years under Hoyle. We got relegated the first year he wasn't involved. Does he have some blame? Of course. But Nagle has had the club for a year and he has made terrible decision after terrible decision. Got rid of LOB and Toffolo, wouldn’t sanction deals for Carlton Morris and other players that led to Corberan resigning. Replaced him with the cheap option in Danny Schofield, oh and he sold up to Phil with a deal that financially hamstrung him and drained the club of the benefits of parachute payments. But no, I don’t think he has any responsibility for our demise… Well said but you’ve somehow missed Mark Fotheringham  |
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Post by impact on Apr 27, 2024 20:51:54 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle getting more votes than Nagle and co is hilarious. Hoyle left before the summer. The current regime could have changed things, yet we have gone massively downhill since then. We got relegated once in 15 years under Hoyle. We got relegated the first year he wasn't involved. Does he have some blame? Of course. But Nagle has had the club for a year and he has made terrible decision after terrible decision. Got rid of LOB and Toffolo, wouldn’t sanction deals for Carlton Morris and other players that led to Corberan resigning. Replaced him with the cheap option in Danny Schofield, oh and he sold up to Phil with a deal that financially hamstrung him and drained the club of the benefits of parachute payments. But no, I don’t think he has any responsibility for our demise… First off I have literally said in my post he takes some responsibility. The ability to read is clearly lost on you. LOB and Toffolo being sold was in 2022, 2 years ago. We lost £7m that season after they were sold. They had to be sold, and everyone knew LOB would be sold. That's a big loss even after sales. How much did you want him to lose? Corberan would have gone regardless. There was no way he would repeat what he did and left whilst his stock was high. The current owner has had 2 transfer windows and following that, we got relegated. He left us with a much worse squad after the summer window than before it, he sacked Warnock, he hired Moore, he waited too long to sack Moore then he hired someone who has done nothing to sort us out. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2024 21:36:18 GMT 1
Just a collective failure on everyone’s part. Every decision we have made has failed from keeping warnock onTBF CS how do you KNOW that decision failed? It wasn't given nearly enough time to see if it was the correct decision. I can see why they made the decision…I can see why they made all the decisions to be fair,,,but it turned out to be a mistake. The squad strength up front going into the season was abysmal and surely warnock has to take the lions share of the blame for that! Money was available (we spent a million on wiles) but Ward was our only striker option bar untried kids. Pre season was a joke that left us cold going into the games and he didn’t get anything like what he’d got at the end of last season from the players. He had to take his share of the blame IMO. We could have kept him in longer and who knows it might have made a positive difference by this stage but we were struggling by the time he left and leaving was always what he was going to do last year. All 3 managers failed this season IMO. |
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Post by tottz on Apr 27, 2024 21:37:20 GMT 1
Got rid of LOB and Toffolo, wouldn’t sanction deals for Carlton Morris and other players that led to Corberan resigning. Replaced him with the cheap option in Danny Schofield, oh and he sold up to Phil with a deal that financially hamstrung him and drained the club of the benefits of parachute payments. But no, I don’t think he has any responsibility for our demise… First off I have literally said in my post he takes some responsibility. The ability to read is clearly lost on you. LOB and Toffolo being sold was in 2022, 2 years ago. We lost £7m that season after they were sold. They had to be sold, and everyone knew LOB would be sold. That's a big loss even after sales. How much did you want him to lose? Corberan would have gone regardless. There was no way he would repeat what he did and left whilst his stock was high. The current owner has had 2 transfer windows and following that, we got relegated. He left us with a much worse squad after the summer window than before it, he sacked Warnock, he hired Moore, he waited too long to sack Moore then he hired someone who has done nothing to sort us out. I didn’t insult you so I’m not sure why you chose to insult me. I didn’t read your previous posts, I responded to the one I quoted. Dean Hoyle has made numerous mistakes that I pointed out in my previous post. Nagle has made numerous mistakes. As have the managers and the players and the staff. All of these things can be true at once |
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Post by terriers2000 on Apr 27, 2024 21:40:26 GMT 1
Carwright is the problem but who appoint him mr Kevin nagle 🤷♂️
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Post by ColchTerrier on Apr 27, 2024 21:42:46 GMT 1
Fuck that c**t fat f*****g w****r Cartwright off ASAP!
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Post by Jack on Apr 27, 2024 21:43:50 GMT 1
Whoever signed off the transfers of Mbenza and Diakaby. That summer signalled a sea change at the club.
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Post by harris on Apr 27, 2024 21:45:58 GMT 1
It’s a big old combination of most of them to be honest.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 27, 2024 21:46:58 GMT 1
Whoever signed off the transfers of Mbenza and Diakaby. That summer signalled a sea change at the club. I've thought this for a while but we might have been better off as a club right now if we'd heroically been relegated in 2017/18. We wouldn't have even heard of those two charlatans 😂 |
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Post by blackmoreisgod on Apr 27, 2024 21:53:38 GMT 1
We have under invested in the playing side for years. We don't have championship standard players. It's as simple as that from what I can see. A domino effect of owners selling talent and replacing with potential. Potential that has more often than not ended up been of a lower league standard. it isn't just signing players for their potential - it's also signing an endless stream of managers and directors of football for their potential - Bromby, Siewert, Schofield, Fotheringham etc |
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Post by blackmoreisgod on Apr 27, 2024 21:57:27 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle getting more votes than Nagle and co is hilarious. Hoyle left before the summer. The current regime could have changed things, yet we have gone massively downhill since then. We got relegated once in 15 years under Hoyle. We got relegated the first year he wasn't involved. Does he have some blame? Of course. But Nagle has had the club for a year and he has made terrible decision after terrible decision. Trouble is Hoyle tried to do things on the cheap signing players & coaches as development projects - when you've appointed the likes of Siewert, Schofield and Fotheringham you've got a high degree of culpability |
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Post by bigtruck on Apr 27, 2024 23:13:15 GMT 1
It’s been a shit show since the Preseason of 2nd season in PL were we spunked a fortune on players DW didn’t even want. Since that it’s been underinvestment, asset stripping, general bullshitting and self destruction that led us to this position.
Todays 1st XI consisted of 7 players bought from Lg1 or lower, 2 players from championship, a U21 loanee and an academy product.
The matchday squad had 10 players from leagues below, 4 academy products, 3 from championship, 1 U21 loan player and 2 overseas players
That’s why we’re going to be playing in league 1 next season. When half your squad and more than half your team are made up of lower league players then that’s where you end up playing.
And the majority of those players were here well before Cartwright. I understand not all his signings have worked out,
injury affected a few (and don’t forget the long standing medical team passed them fit to sign) but the difference between this and the last 6/8 years was intent. I’ll forgive him for that but summer transfer dealings need to be better.
Who’s to blame?
1)DH
2) Potless
3) Bromby
4) Players
5) Edwards
6) Cartwright……..
…….499) Nagle
500) Dave C 😉
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Apr 27, 2024 23:30:42 GMT 1
Nagle. He's the man at the top, the buck stops with him. The fella has hardly had his feet under the table,, Pray tell who had lots of imput into our new owners ear for a good few months, bit o bull oer brains And then we had a wankfest pre-season, we need to be super fit from the off to be anything other than drain circlers when we are 2nd tier. |
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Post by impact on Apr 27, 2024 23:44:11 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle getting more votes than Nagle and co is hilarious. Hoyle left before the summer. The current regime could have changed things, yet we have gone massively downhill since then. We got relegated once in 15 years under Hoyle. We got relegated the first year he wasn't involved. Does he have some blame? Of course. But Nagle has had the club for a year and he has made terrible decision after terrible decision. Trouble is Hoyle tried to do things on the cheap signing players & coaches as development projects - when you've appointed the likes of Siewert, Schofield and Fotheringham you've got a high degree of culpability None of those were in charge when he left. They're completely irrelevant to the position we find ourselves in. |
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