Helik

[portugalterrier]

Apr 28, 2024 13:29:49 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Apr 28, 2024 13:22:43 GMT 1 utttrooper said:

Rudoni is an excellent box to box midfielder but just isn't a 10 and would do well in a team with other quality players and Sorba has created the most chances in the league and would have so many more assists if he wasn't supplying fucking Hudlin or Ward

both players have hugeeeee flaws in their game and other clubs will know it and wont pay big for them, they will try and get them cheap. Either player has a long way to go to be classed as a good champ level or higher . Both players flatter a lot yet do not deliever enough. I just don't see either having clubs banging our door down .Both players their overall play needs major work.

Rudoni is alongside Helic Towns best player, glad you aren’t in charge of Towns retentions, both would walk into the majority of Championship teams.

[bells ringing :)]

Apr 28, 2024 13:35:50 GMT 1 utttrooper said:

Apr 28, 2024 13:29:49 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

both players have hugeeeee flaws in their game and other clubs will know it and wont pay big for them, they will try and get them cheap. Either player has a long way to go to be classed as a good champ level or higher . Both players flatter a lot yet do not deliever enough. I just don't see either having clubs banging our door down .Both players their overall play needs major work.

Both do have major flaws but also enough good attributes to suggest they are Championship footballers. Rudoni just needs to work on his finishing and he'd be an excellent Championship midfielder. Sorba needs to improve his left foot and try to do other things instead of just crossing like taking players on and driving into the box. He could also do with better strikers than Ward, Hudlin and Harrat to supply and he'd be in double figures for assists almost every season. 

i have seen enough of both, what you have suggested is fair enough, but both players 1 having 4 seasons in this league and the other having 2. Yet they both do the same things they did when we bought them. There overall play needs serious work, do clubs want to pay good money for guys who are 22 and 24 , not "kids" in the hope they get a tune out of them. Thomas went to blackburn for example and he did nothing and rudoni is a box to box mid, who doesn't score or supply enough . Its all well and good saying they will leave, but we had far better players than these two last time we dropped from this level and most of them ended up staying. Due to the stain a relegation and the fact clubs, do not want to pay over what a player is worth, plus i wont say what i know on one of the players, but that player will put clubs off by his "way" .

[griffa]

Apr 28, 2024 13:25:01 GMT 1 Up the Duff. said:

Once he stopped scoring we really struggled to find goals.

Jack Rudoni, is a very bright player, seems perfectly suited to play counter attack football, not the midfield maestro we require, as his short game is dodgy.
Many complain about Jack's short comings, he's a good prospect, in my opinion - UTT.

[utttrooper]

Apr 28, 2024 13:41:35 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

Apr 28, 2024 13:35:50 GMT 1 utttrooper said:

Both do have major flaws but also enough good attributes to suggest they are Championship footballers. Rudoni just needs to work on his finishing and he'd be an excellent Championship midfielder. Sorba needs to improve his left foot and try to do other things instead of just crossing like taking players on and driving into the box. He could also do with better strikers than Ward, Hudlin and Harrat to supply and he'd be in double figures for assists almost every season. 

i have seen enough of both, what you have suggested is fair enough, but both players 1 having 4 seasons in this league and the other having 2. Yet they both do the same things they did when we bought them. There overall play needs serious work, do clubs want to pay good money for guys who are 22 and 24 , not "kids" in the hope they get a tune out of them. Thomas went to blackburn for example and he did nothing and rudoni is a box to box mid, who doesn't score or supply enough . Its all well and good saying they will leave, but we had far better players than these two last time we dropped from this level and most of them ended up staying. Due to the stain a relegation and the fact clubs, do not want to pay over what a player is worth, plus i wont say what i know on one of the players, but that player will put clubs off by his "way" .

Whilst Rudoni doesn't score enough and Sorba is a bit one dimensional just look at who they've had to play alongside. Rudoni is also very much a confidence player and needs to get a goal scoring run going. I just stumbled across the highlights of Town vs Blackpool on boxing day 2021 and more of what Sorba did for his first goal would be great and help take him to the next level because he playes a 1-2 with both Sinani and the Rhodes and was running into the box as he did so to score. They both have their shortcomings but also have played quite well in a poor team.

[bluestripe]

Apr 28, 2024 13:55:04 GMT 1 utttrooper said:

Apr 28, 2024 13:41:35 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

i have seen enough of both, what you have suggested is fair enough, but both players 1 having 4 seasons in this league and the other having 2. Yet they both do the same things they did when we bought them. There overall play needs serious work, do clubs want to pay good money for guys who are 22 and 24 , not "kids" in the hope they get a tune out of them. Thomas went to blackburn for example and he did nothing and rudoni is a box to box mid, who doesn't score or supply enough . Its all well and good saying they will leave, but we had far better players than these two last time we dropped from this level and most of them ended up staying. Due to the stain a relegation and the fact clubs, do not want to pay over what a player is worth, plus i wont say what i know on one of the players, but that player will put clubs off by his "way" .

Whilst Rudoni doesn't score enough and Sorba is a bit one dimensional just look at who they've had to play alongside. Rudoni is also very much a confidence player and needs to get a goal scoring run going. I just stumbled across the highlights of Town vs Blackpool on boxing day 2021 and more of what Sorba did for his first goal would be great and help take him to the next level because he playes a 1-2 with both Sinani and the Rhodes and was running into the box as he did so to score. They both have their shortcomings but also have played quite well in a poor team.

Sure we'd have been better off signing Sinani than Wiles.

[goodbet]

Apr 28, 2024 13:22:43 GMT 1 utttrooper said:

Apr 28, 2024 13:16:39 GMT 1 bells ringing :) said:

sorba and rudoni ? I mean a big ? about those two. Not that i wouldn't sell the pair of them in a heart beat, if a ok offer comes in. I really do think Town overestimate our players "quaility" as other clubs will not be banging down our door, unless they think they can get them dirt cheap.

Rudoni is an excellent box to box midfielder but just isn't a 10 and would do well in a team with other quality players and Sorba has created the most chances in the league and would have so many more assists if he wasn't supplying fucking Hudlin or Ward

I think that you have hit the issue we have had with the club! We have sold any quality players we had and when we brought in prospects from the lower leagues they have not had the quality around them to help them develop.

Then you bring into the picture the old or ex-town players and the injury prone players the young prospect have had to play out of position or been the cornerstone of the team before they were ready. This together with a complete lack of a plan of the type and style of team we wanted to create.

[terrier17]

He’s already on with trying to force a move away, same as when he was at Barnsley.

[Detective Boyle]

Apr 28, 2024 12:59:16 GMT 1 utttrooper said:

Apr 28, 2024 11:02:34 GMT 1 Detective Boyle said:

The only one that truly deserves a move to the championship.

Sorba and Rudoni too just not to a club the same size as Helik's new club

Thomas would get found out pretty quickly at any other championship club imo. His stats are inflated imo because he was constantly used as our only outlet but I think his general quality is poor.
Rudoni would be class if the goals were 3 foot wider. I could see him doing fairly well at a better club as he will get plenty of chances, but I wouldn’t say he has set the championship alight at all.

[FloridaTerrier]

Apr 28, 2024 14:46:30 GMT 1 terrier17 said:

He’s already on with trying to force a move away, same as when he was at Barnsley.

Is that your opinion? or is that fact?

[htafcdreams]

Helik physically has great attitudes
Last year did really well
2 x player of season

The lad just can be to lethargic in games and fairly introverted vs comparisons to Pearson

Lees is a great pro but again interms of a vocal aggressive leader - it’s not there

I do think Helik needs Pearson next to him to perform and get him at it mentality

[ringdisco]

Out for two months...

[Million Dollar Babies]

Having seen what he is capable of in previous seasons, I'm not convinced he's been giving it 100% this season.

[ponteterrier]

Hopefully he'll come back with his head switched on.

He seems a shadow of himself recently and I wonder if it's because he was expecting a move away in the summer.

[Scott Chegg]

Sept 26, 2024 21:02:45 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Having seen what he is capable of in previous seasons, I'm not convinced he's been giving it 100% this season.

Love the lad. But he's been shocking for a while.

Whether that's because his heart's not in it anymore I don't know. But he doesn't look the same player any more.

[boooothy]

From what i heard he was more than happy to stay and not actively looking for a move. Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have left obviously had an offer come in.

[prestonrues1]

Sept 26, 2024 21:08:21 GMT 1 Scott Chegg said:

Sept 26, 2024 21:02:45 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Having seen what he is capable of in previous seasons, I'm not convinced he's been giving it 100% this season.

Love the lad. But he's been shocking for a while.

Whether that's because his heart's not in it anymore I don't know. But he doesn't look the same player any more.

Needs to shake it off as he’s vital for us

[Million Dollar Babies]

Sept 26, 2024 21:08:21 GMT 1 Scott Chegg said:

Sept 26, 2024 21:02:45 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Having seen what he is capable of in previous seasons, I'm not convinced he's been giving it 100% this season.

Love the lad. But he's been shocking for a while.

Whether that's because his heart's not in it anymore I don't know. But he doesn't look the same player any more.

I think it's more that he thinks he's too good for this level so doesn't need to give it 100% effort and concentration to do well. Whereas in the Championship he knew he had to be at it every week or he'd look very silly

[griffa]

I'm a fan of Helik, he had some dodgy games last season, particularly against Coventry at JSS.
His form this season has been questionable, last Saturday was a new low in my opinion.
Out for 7 to 8 weeks, somebody has to step up - UTT.

[Captainslapper]

Sept 26, 2024 21:44:40 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Sept 26, 2024 21:08:21 GMT 1 Scott Chegg said:

Love the lad. But he's been shocking for a while.

Whether that's because his heart's not in it anymore I don't know. But he doesn't look the same player any more.

I think it's more that he thinks he's too good for this level so doesn't need to give it 100% effort and concentration to do well. Whereas in the Championship he knew he had to be at it every week or he'd look very silly

I think that might not be too far off the mark having watched him a few times this season. He just doesnt seem mentally 'on it' somehow.

[kayeb222]

Sept 26, 2024 21:16:34 GMT 1 boooothy said:

From what i heard he was more than happy to stay and not actively looking for a move. Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have left obviously had an offer come in.

I agree that he would probably have left if a bigger club offered him double or triple his weekly wage.
Most players say they are happy to stay when they don't get a move. He's unlikely to tell people he wanted to leave the club and risk the media and the fans finding out and booing him every week.

[Wingman]

He's had a very poor start to the season. When is his contract up? If it's next Summer then I'd be looking to offload come January, but he needs to step up once he comes back for anyone to be interested.

[jp]

Sept 26, 2024 23:37:21 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Sept 26, 2024 21:44:40 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

I think it's more that he thinks he's too good for this level so doesn't need to give it 100% effort and concentration to do well. Whereas in the Championship he knew he had to be at it every week or he'd look very silly

I think that might not be too far off the mark having watched him a few times this season. He just doesnt seem mentally 'on it' somehow.

I’ve been thinking the same.. head turned or possibly head not turned, but his focus is not there.

[The King's Head 1230]

Another one who's decided to hide!

[bells ringing :)]

Helik is not the same player this season, therefore it could be a benfit to put a hungry Pearson in the middle of a spencer/ Nige back 3. Helik is so far off it this season compared to the previous 2.

[Sparrow]

Helik's career seems to be in rapid decline really.

Started off in the Polish top division and got a move to Barnsley in the English Championship. First season they finished 5th and got in the the play-offs. Then in his second season they finished bottom, only won 6 games and were relegated to League 1. Got a transfer to us in the Championship, when he narrowly escaped relegation, then got relegated to league 1. Now playing in league 1 with us and looking very much like a League 1 level player.

Made his international debut over 3 years ago in May 2021. Hasn't played for Poland since December 2021 (when he came on for 1 minute I think). And hasn't been picked in a Polish squad since March 2022.

Once you career (any career) starts going into a downward spiral, it can be very very difficult to reverse it and get it going in an upwards trajectory.

[hoggy1975]

Sept 27, 2024 10:38:42 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Helik's career seems to be in rapid decline really.

Started off in the Polish top division and got a move to Barnsley in the English Championship. First season they finished 5th and got in the the play-offs. Then in his second season they finished bottom, only won 6 games and were relegated to League 1. Got a transfer to us in the Championship, when he narrowly escaped relegation, then got relegated to league 1. Now playing in league 1 with us and looking very much like a League 1 level player.

Made his international debut over 3 years ago in May 2021. Hasn't played for Poland since December 2021 (when he came on for 1 minute I think). And hasn't been picked in a Polish squad since March 2022.

Once you career (any career) starts going into a downward spiral, it can be very very difficult to reverse it and get it going in an upwards trajectory.

I agree. If someone had offered 5 million a couple of months ago I would have said we should reject it. If they offered 5 million now, I think we’d accept without a second thought ..

[marshterrier]

To be fair I have a feeling he has been playing with the hamstring problem for a while and this has worsened to a pull now. The injury probably been in back of his mind and restricting his performances.

[runner76]

It's the hair, I tell ya. Look at Sorba, up and down depending o the hair cut. Helik changes it and play quality goes down

[HalifaxTerrier]

Is it also fair to say that the tactics are making Helik look a poorer player too? We’re no longer sitting deep and instead are pushed further up the pitch leaving huge gaps in behind. Gaps that are being easily exploited and exposing our lack of pace. Tactically we’re not playing to any of our defenders strengths. I’d also throw in our non existent midfield who either require a long punt down the line or an inch perfect Hollywood pass threaded between the opposition to find them. This makes our playing out from the back look silly as passes are easily over hit or easily cut out.

The main worry is that these are trends in every single match so far but Duff seems set in his ways. Maybe he’s right to stick to it and we’ll start to click further on into the season but I can’t say I’m convinced from what I’ve seen so far.

[andre2000]

Helik sorted out his barnet, now he can get back to his old self and get on the goal trail.