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Post by SacTown on Jul 12, 2024 8:42:30 GMT 1
Kev did say in the diary that a few players that weren't on board now are under md So I don't think that many will be leaving Interestingly though he did say we need striker's! and not striker..so that would mean a couple coming in Sorba more likely to stay than leave.
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Post by King Neil on Jul 12, 2024 9:41:56 GMT 1
Is Sorba actually going to Nantes then or what? Let's unlock a bit more money to get the #terrierinbound ball rolling again! It's a lot of upheaval for him to move to France and having to learn a new language The French don't like speaking English even though most under 50,s are fluent You would have thought most championship clubs would want him at the price being banded about....not that I believe that price tag He,s proven at championship level..still young aswell....Worth far more than rudoni imo
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 12, 2024 9:59:05 GMT 1
Is Sorba actually going to Nantes then or what? Let's unlock a bit more money to get the #terrierinbound ball rolling again! It's a lot of upheaval for him to move to France and having to learn a new language The French don't like speaking English even though most under 50,s are fluent You would have thought most championship clubs would want him at the price being banded about....not that I believe that price tag He,s proven at championship level..still young aswell....Worth far more than rudoni imo A player that could be more useful to us, could be worth more on the market etc.. The word 'could' is the key. Given the recent history of Sorba, its more likely he wont be either, its why he is still here.
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Post by King Neil on Jul 12, 2024 10:10:59 GMT 1
It's a lot of upheaval for him to move to France and having to learn a new language The French don't like speaking English even though most under 50,s are fluent You would have thought most championship clubs would want him at the price being banded about....not that I believe that price tag He,s proven at championship level..still young aswell....Worth far more than rudoni imo A player that could be more useful to us, could be worth more on the market etc.. The word 'could' is the key. Given the recent history of Sorba, its more likely he wont be either, its why he is still here. I'm more inclined to think he,s still here due to the price tag...he still has 2 years on his contract Why on earth would you sell him for 1m...fucking crazy price tag for a player of his quality. Regarding the bad apple stuff...we all fall out with work colleagues from time to time and patch things up later..that's life His stats were still good despite everything caving in around the club If he stays then people need to give the lad a break and stop believing crap spouted by the biggest waste of space since malcolm malcolm...andre Breitenreiter If your watching sorbađź‘Ť And good luck even if you leave
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Post by SpeakShyTallKnight on Jul 12, 2024 10:20:13 GMT 1
From somebody well respected within the club, paraphrasing but; “sorba isnt one of the bad ones” Note who has left us this window and you’ll know who is. Sorba for me was far and away our best player for 3/4 of the season.
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Post by alanalanleeee on Jul 12, 2024 10:22:16 GMT 1
If Sorba stays (could definitely happen, Duff is the sort of manager to work well with individuals that have had attitude issues in the past), do you reckon he would play as a wing back, or as a forward player?
I know he played in a sort of terrible front two system a few times last season, didn’t work then but maybe with the rebuild it could be something worth exploring?
I can’t imagine it would do him wonders for him to be sat on the bench waiting for us to change formation every now and then…
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Post by runner76 on Jul 12, 2024 10:34:42 GMT 1
From somebody well respected within the club, paraphrasing but; “sorba isnt one of the bad ones” Note who has left us this window and you’ll know who is. Sorba for me was far and away our best player for 3/4 of the season. Although him staying or leaving won't just be down to if he is a good egg or not, it is down to $$$$
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Post by rockwall on Jul 12, 2024 10:55:04 GMT 1
A player that could be more useful to us, could be worth more on the market etc.. The word 'could' is the key. Given the recent history of Sorba, its more likely he wont be either, its why he is still here. I'm more inclined to think he,s still here due to the price tag...he still has 2 years on his contract Why on earth would you sell him for 1m...fucking crazy price tag for a player of his quality. Regarding the bad apple stuff...we all fall out with work colleagues from time to time and patch things up later..that's life His stats were still good despite everything caving in around the club If he stays then people need to give the lad a break and stop believing crap spouted by the biggest waste of space since malcolm malcolm...andre Breitenreiter If your watching sorbađź‘Ť And good luck even if you leave I don't buy into this 'Sorba quality' he doesn't beat a man, his end product is woeful and his attitude is childish. He has a very good dead ball, apart from that he is bang average.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2024 11:00:59 GMT 1
I'm more inclined to think he,s still here due to the price tag...he still has 2 years on his contract Why on earth would you sell him for 1m...fucking crazy price tag for a player of his quality. Regarding the bad apple stuff...we all fall out with work colleagues from time to time and patch things up later..that's life His stats were still good despite everything caving in around the club If he stays then people need to give the lad a break and stop believing crap spouted by the biggest waste of space since malcolm malcolm...andre Breitenreiter If your watching sorbađź‘Ť And good luck even if you leave I don't buy into this 'Sorba quality' he doesn't beat a man, his end product is woeful and his attitude is childish. He has a very good dead ball, apart from that he is bang average. If we had had decent strikers last season his assist stats would probaby have been the best in the division. His shooting definitely improved as well. I, for one, would like to see him with better midfielders and strikers in the team and a good manager to get the best out of him, and I think this could be that season.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 12, 2024 11:05:49 GMT 1
I'm more inclined to think he,s still here due to the price tag...he still has 2 years on his contract Why on earth would you sell him for 1m...fucking crazy price tag for a player of his quality. Regarding the bad apple stuff...we all fall out with work colleagues from time to time and patch things up later..that's life His stats were still good despite everything caving in around the club If he stays then people need to give the lad a break and stop believing crap spouted by the biggest waste of space since malcolm malcolm...andre Breitenreiter If your watching sorbađź‘Ť And good luck even if you leave I don't buy into this 'Sorba quality' he doesn't beat a man, his end product is woeful and his attitude is childish. He has a very good dead ball, apart from that he is bang average. To say his end product is woeful when he was one of the top assisters in the division in a relegated side is bonkers.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 12, 2024 11:06:37 GMT 1
From somebody well respected within the club, paraphrasing but; “sorba isnt one of the bad ones” Note who has left us this window and you’ll know who is. Sorba for me was far and away our best player for 3/4 of the season. Spot on that - and lets be honest, he had every right at times given the pathetic results we've endured since Carlos left. He hasnt covered himself in glory at times but if we can keep him and use him effectively i think we've done some good business this window - particularly with the Cov deal!
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Post by ldotm on Jul 12, 2024 11:06:44 GMT 1
From somebody well respected within the club, paraphrasing but; “sorba isnt one of the bad ones” Note who has left us this window and you’ll know who is. Sorba for me was far and away our best player for 3/4 of the season. The only person to really leave so far is Rudoni, so this doesn’t really add up. End of the day, there’s a range of rumours out there all claiming to have respected sources. Additionally, everyone will have different opinions - someone’s mate, can be another persons enemy. If Sorba or anyone is here come the start of the season, they have my backing. I’m trusting Duff and team on their plan.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 12, 2024 11:20:20 GMT 1
From somebody well respected within the club, paraphrasing but; “sorba isnt one of the bad ones” Note who has left us this window and you’ll know who is. Sorba for me was far and away our best player for 3/4 of the season. The only person to really leave so far is Rudoni, so this doesn’t really add up. End of the day, there’s a range of rumours out there all claiming to have respected sources. Additionally, everyone will have different opinions - someone’s mate, can be another persons enemy. If Sorba or anyone is here come the start of the season, they have my backing. I’m trusting Duff and team on their plan. It does add up on the rudoni front. Matt shaw hinted or stated(can’t remember which) on twitter when he was sold that maybe his attitude hadn’t been correct. AB hauling him off at Ipswich also doesn’t just happen without something happening in the background. Sorba I aren’t sure on the comments that he isn’t one of that bad ones,like you say everyone has an opinion on this and that,that said Warnock made comments on him falling out with someone in an empty room,AB clearly believed there was an attitude issue and he 100% fell out with old buzz. All of the above is maybe irrelevant now for me anyway,he doesn’t really fit into the 3-5-2 and we have signed Kane and evans who can both take set pieces,critically they aren’t just set piece specialist in terms of crossing they can both score from them…something which sorba never showed he could do. I feel he will go,the price will be determined by the market,there was clearly early strong interest for rudoni so we could drive a hard bargain and get decent money….maybe that’s not the case with sorba,we take around a million(which from memory would that make it 500k profit) and move on.
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Post by ldotm on Jul 12, 2024 11:23:45 GMT 1
The only person to really leave so far is Rudoni, so this doesn’t really add up. End of the day, there’s a range of rumours out there all claiming to have respected sources. Additionally, everyone will have different opinions - someone’s mate, can be another persons enemy. If Sorba or anyone is here come the start of the season, they have my backing. I’m trusting Duff and team on their plan. It does add up on the rudoni front. Matt shaw hinted or stated(can’t remember which) on twitter when he was sold that maybe his attitude hadn’t been correct. AB hauling him off at Ipswich also doesn’t just happen without something happening in the background. Sorba I aren’t sure on the comments that he isn’t one of that bad ones,like you say everyone has an opinion on this and that,that said Warnock made comments on him falling out with someone in an empty room,AB clearly believed there was an attitude issue and he 100% fell out with old buzz. All of the above is maybe irrelevant now for me anyway,he doesn’t really fit into the 3-5-2 and we have signed Kane and evans who can both take set pieces,critically they aren’t just set piece specialist in terms of crossing they can both score from them…something which sorba never showed he could do. I feel he will go,the price will be determined by the market,there was clearly early strong interest for rudoni so we could drive a hard bargain and get decent money….maybe that’s not the case with sorba,we take around a million(which from memory would that make it 500k profit) and move on. Yeah but that’s ONE player, he said he’s not one of the bad eggs, look at the players who have left. Also, interesting that Rudoni is apparently such a bad egg compared to the others yet we got a large fee for him… trust me agents and players talk, if he was horrendous we would not be getting good money for him. I have no doubt Rudoni clearly was a negative by the end, his performance vs Ipswich said it all. I’m just saying they must have been more than Rudoni, hence why his paraphrased comment doesn’t add up.
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Post by RickDangerous on Jul 12, 2024 11:27:54 GMT 1
I'm more inclined to think he,s still here due to the price tag...he still has 2 years on his contract Why on earth would you sell him for 1m...fucking crazy price tag for a player of his quality. Regarding the bad apple stuff...we all fall out with work colleagues from time to time and patch things up later..that's life His stats were still good despite everything caving in around the club If he stays then people need to give the lad a break and stop believing crap spouted by the biggest waste of space since malcolm malcolm...andre Breitenreiter If your watching sorbađź‘Ť And good luck even if you leave I don't buy into this 'Sorba quality' he doesn't beat a man, his end product is woeful and his attitude is childish. He has a very good dead ball, apart from that he is bang average. Opinions! You may not buy into it, but I'd question your vision if you attend games... . He regularly was doubled up on so usually having to beat 2 men. End product isn't just goals, without the character assassination rightly or wrongly by Breitenreiter he would have been very close to getting player of the year, plus on top of all that he works really hard off the ball, first half of last season it was like roy of the rovers - with him looking like one of the only guys trying. You may not like his character but he's easily one of our most effective players. Saying all that i'm not sure if he fits in now. I think he could do the wingback job this season but I'm sure his agent will be advising him to move on.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 12, 2024 11:28:08 GMT 1
It does add up on the rudoni front. Matt shaw hinted or stated(can’t remember which) on twitter when he was sold that maybe his attitude hadn’t been correct. AB hauling him off at Ipswich also doesn’t just happen without something happening in the background. Sorba I aren’t sure on the comments that he isn’t one of that bad ones,like you say everyone has an opinion on this and that,that said Warnock made comments on him falling out with someone in an empty room,AB clearly believed there was an attitude issue and he 100% fell out with old buzz. All of the above is maybe irrelevant now for me anyway,he doesn’t really fit into the 3-5-2 and we have signed Kane and evans who can both take set pieces,critically they aren’t just set piece specialist in terms of crossing they can both score from them…something which sorba never showed he could do. I feel he will go,the price will be determined by the market,there was clearly early strong interest for rudoni so we could drive a hard bargain and get decent money….maybe that’s not the case with sorba,we take around a million(which from memory would that make it 500k profit) and move on. Yeah but that’s ONE player, he said he’s not one of the bad eggs, look at the players who have left. Also, interesting that Rudoni is apparently such a bad egg compared to the others yet we got a large fee for him… trust me agents and players talk, if he was horrendous we would not be getting good money for him. I have no doubt Rudoni clearly was a negative by the end, his performance vs Ipswich said it all. I’m just saying they must have been more than Rudoni, hence why his paraphrased comment doesn’t add up. Don’t forget, Diarra, Burgzorg and Matos have also left and there were allegations all three were “bad eggs” as well. Is it significant that Diarra hasn’t found a club yet?
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Post by SpeakShyTallKnight on Jul 12, 2024 11:29:47 GMT 1
Said person did also add that “he’s just an idiot” (regarding sorba) so I’m not saying he’s a role model but he’s not as bad as people make him out to be. They also said Andre was blaming everybody but himself which probably didn’t help Sorbas case as everybody was thrown under the bus and people just assume sorba os bad because he’s passionate and gets frustrated at times.
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Post by wildhogg on Jul 12, 2024 11:36:56 GMT 1
In terms of 'attitude problems' in any working group, more often than not they're due to poor/weak leadership. The role of a manager is to stamp out 'attitude problems' and develop a cohesive unit. I'd suggest that Darren Moore, in particular, might have been a poor/weak leader who lost control of his staff; comprised of young, rich, self-important men who he needed to have a tight grip on. If Duff has sorted things out behind the scenes then we should absolutely look to keep hold of Sorba. He'll be great in League 1.
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Post by ldotm on Jul 12, 2024 11:39:35 GMT 1
Yeah but that’s ONE player, he said he’s not one of the bad eggs, look at the players who have left. Also, interesting that Rudoni is apparently such a bad egg compared to the others yet we got a large fee for him… trust me agents and players talk, if he was horrendous we would not be getting good money for him. I have no doubt Rudoni clearly was a negative by the end, his performance vs Ipswich said it all. I’m just saying they must have been more than Rudoni, hence why his paraphrased comment doesn’t add up. Don’t forget, Diarra, Burgzorg and Matos have also left and there were allegations all three were “bad eggs” as well. Is it significant that Diarra hasn’t found a club yet? Slightly different cases though due to their contract/being on loan, compared to being sold. Anyway time will tell I guess, if Sorba goes and at the reported valuation then he is seen as a hindrance to the club. If not, let’s hope Duff gets the best out of him.
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Post by kjf on Jul 12, 2024 11:47:23 GMT 1
one name I heard yesterday was Ronnie Stutter and this is coming from a mate who knows somebody that works at Chelsea
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 12, 2024 11:48:46 GMT 1
one name I heard yesterday was Ronnie Stutter and this is coming from a mate who knows somebody that works at Chelsea Isn’t he nnnnnnnineteen……..?
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 12, 2024 12:01:44 GMT 1
I'm more inclined to think he,s still here due to the price tag...he still has 2 years on his contract Why on earth would you sell him for 1m...fucking crazy price tag for a player of his quality. Regarding the bad apple stuff...we all fall out with work colleagues from time to time and patch things up later..that's life His stats were still good despite everything caving in around the club If he stays then people need to give the lad a break and stop believing crap spouted by the biggest waste of space since malcolm malcolm...andre Breitenreiter If your watching sorbađź‘Ť And good luck even if you leave I don't buy into this 'Sorba quality' he doesn't beat a man, his end product is woeful and his attitude is childish. He has a very good dead ball, apart from that he is bang average. "Doesn't beat a man" - I agree he doesn't have much in the way of stepover trickery, but he is capable of beating a fullback over a short distance for pace in order to get a very good quality cross in. And he can go inside and outside, which puts him a cut above a lot of wingers, because it means the full back does not know which way to show him. "His end product is woeful" - as others have said, his assists stays are fantastic even in a poor team. VLP played in a good team relatively speaking, albeit at a higher level for some of the time, and his end product did not compare anywhere near as well as Thomas's. His attitude on the pitch can be churlish and occasionally childish. Off the pitch, all I have heard is hearsay, so cannot comment.
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Post by Sparrow on Jul 12, 2024 12:07:23 GMT 1
Yeah but that’s ONE player, he said he’s not one of the bad eggs, look at the players who have left. Also, interesting that Rudoni is apparently such a bad egg compared to the others yet we got a large fee for him… trust me agents and players talk, if he was horrendous we would not be getting good money for him. I have no doubt Rudoni clearly was a negative by the end, his performance vs Ipswich said it all. I’m just saying they must have been more than Rudoni, hence why his paraphrased comment doesn’t add up. Don’t forget, Diarra, Burgzorg and Matos have also left and there were allegations all three were “bad eggs” as well. Is it significant that Diarra hasn’t found a club yet? Diarra is currently with Mali preparing for the Olympics. Club future will be sorted after that i’d guess
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 12, 2024 12:12:40 GMT 1
A player that could be more useful to us, could be worth more on the market etc.. The word 'could' is the key. Given the recent history of Sorba, its more likely he wont be either, its why he is still here. I'm more inclined to think he,s still here due to the price tag...he still has 2 years on his contract Why on earth would you sell him for 1m...fucking crazy price tag for a player of his quality. Regarding the bad apple stuff...we all fall out with work colleagues from time to time and patch things up later..that's life His stats were still good despite everything caving in around the club If he stays then people need to give the lad a break and stop believing crap spouted by the biggest waste of space since malcolm malcolm...andre Breitenreiter If your watching sorbađź‘Ť And good luck even if you leave If you watched us play last season you must have seen the lack of togetherness and the lack of camaraderie. We watched week in week out the problems that the manager had with some of the squad. The stats dont reflect the reality of what we were actually watching. I personally dont rate Moore's management but I dont think he instructed them to leave the man on the ball on his own, fail to support your team mate and give up when its going badly.. They dont instruct or demand a lack of discipline on and off the pitch, which is what we ended up with. I dont blame Sorba on his own, I blame the club from top to bottom on the managerial and playing sides. We were so poor on many occasions that a couple of runs, a few crosses to nobody and getting back then pointing to the man you are supposed to be picking up, looked 'good' He wasnt alone but nobody wants to give us a million quid for many of the underachievers so he is in the spotlight. He did manage to get sent off, which shows 'he cares' ? Watching him play, I often wonder where he thinks he is playing and who for?? We did his running and tackling and work off the ball under Corberan because we had the team to do it. Since then we havent and it showed. Smoke and mirrors player who's contribution always was in line with how well the other 10 were playing and how the game was going for us. The lack of suitors, the Blackburn experiment etc sort of proves it. If he stays he has to cover the wing back role under Duff, we have two proper wing backs now plus a couple who can cover it.?? Said last season, leave him up the pitch, give him a freeish role because his defending, isnt defending and at least we might have a out ball of sorts.. If he stays I would welcome being proved wrong, its about opinions, its about the outcomes of 'stats'.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 12, 2024 12:47:50 GMT 1
Sorba's set pieces are excellent, & they alone should be worth ÂŁ1m of anyone's money. However, the rest of his game isn't very good, he's not especially fast, has very few tricks, can't head a ball, can't shoot & is one of those players who runs at a challenge like he means it but always "doesn't quite get there". Anyone who has played the game at any half decent level isn't taken in by this, he tins any challenge so his ridiculously small "shin pads" are wasted on him anyway.
He's clearly not the brightest, which is not vital when it comes to football, he got almost as many yellows & reds as he did goals & assists last season, I'm not quite sure how/where he fits into a 352 system & his temperament is, at best, questionable.
That being said, the club will know how he behaved last season & if they want rid & can get ÂŁ1m, I'd take it. Alternatively, if they feel Duff can get something out of him, I'd be on board with that too.
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Post by rockwall on Jul 12, 2024 12:56:06 GMT 1
I don't buy into this 'Sorba quality' he doesn't beat a man, his end product is woeful and his attitude is childish. He has a very good dead ball, apart from that he is bang average. To say his end product is woeful when he was one of the top assisters in the division in a relegated side is bonkers. Majority from dead balls which I did say are very good. His finishing is abysmal, his goals to games for a winger isn't great either.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 12, 2024 13:00:08 GMT 1
Regarding Sorba and whether his egginess is of the good or bad sort... All we have to go on is what we see on the pitch. The rest is rumours. What we saw on the pitch last season was someone who spent most of it running his arse into the ground, and someone who looked like he fkn hated losing.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 12, 2024 13:04:50 GMT 1
Regarding Sorba and whether his egginess is of the good or bad sort... All we have to go on is what we see on the pitch. The rest is rumours. What we saw on the pitch last season was someone who spent most of it running his arse into the ground, and someone who looked like he fkn hated losing. Let’s hope Thomas isn’t poached.
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 12, 2024 13:08:43 GMT 1
Regarding Sorba and whether his egginess is of the good or bad sort... All we have to go on is what we see on the pitch. The rest is rumours. What we saw on the pitch last season was someone who spent most of it running his arse into the ground, and someone who looked like he fkn hated losing. Let’s hope Thomas isn’t poached. Oooh cracking post
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 12, 2024 13:21:02 GMT 1
Sorba's set pieces are excellent, & they alone should be worth £1m of anyone's money. However, the rest of his game isn't very good, he's not especially fast, has very few tricks, can't head a ball, can't shoot & is one of those players who runs at a challenge like he means it but always "doesn't quite get there". Anyone who has played the game at any half decent level isn't taken in by this, he tins any challenge so his ridiculously small "shin pads" are wasted on him anyway. He's clearly not the brightest, which is not vital when it comes to football, he got almost as many yellows & reds as he did goals & assists last season, I'm not quite sure how/where he fits into a 352 system & his temperament is, at best, questionable. That being said, the club will know how he behaved last season & if they want rid & can get £1m, I'd take it. Alternatively, if they feel Duff can get something out of him, I'd be on board with that too. Just interested, since you and other fans have such a high bar for someone who fills Sorba's position, who was the last winger who surpassed his capabilities at Town. Watch me laugh my arse off if anybody suggests VLP. 🤪
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