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Post by shawsie on Jul 12, 2024 16:23:39 GMT 1
It does add up on the rudoni front. Matt shaw hinted or stated(can’t remember which) on twitter when he was sold that maybe his attitude hadn’t been correct. AB hauling him off at Ipswich also doesn’t just happen without something happening in the background. Sorba I aren’t sure on the comments that he isn’t one of that bad ones,like you say everyone has an opinion on this and that,that said Warnock made comments on him falling out with someone in an empty room,AB clearly believed there was an attitude issue and he 100% fell out with old buzz. All of the above is maybe irrelevant now for me anyway,he doesn’t really fit into the 3-5-2 and we have signed Kane and evans who can both take set pieces,critically they aren’t just set piece specialist in terms of crossing they can both score from them…something which sorba never showed he could do. I feel he will go,the price will be determined by the market,there was clearly early strong interest for rudoni so we could drive a hard bargain and get decent money….maybe that’s not the case with sorba,we take around a million(which from memory would that make it 500k profit) and move on. Yeah but that’s ONE player, he said he’s not one of the bad eggs, look at the players who have left. Also, interesting that Rudoni is apparently such a bad egg compared to the others yet we got a large fee for him… trust me agents and players talk, if he was horrendous we would not be getting good money for him. I have no doubt Rudoni clearly was a negative by the end, his performance vs Ipswich said it all. I’m just saying they must have been more than Rudoni, hence why his paraphrased comment doesn’t add up. Dont confuse being vocal with being a bad egg!
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 12, 2024 16:57:22 GMT 1
Sorba's set pieces are excellent, & they alone should be worth £1m of anyone's money. However, the rest of his game isn't very good, he's not especially fast, has very few tricks, can't head a ball, can't shoot & is one of those players who runs at a challenge like he means it but always "doesn't quite get there". Anyone who has played the game at any half decent level isn't taken in by this, he tins any challenge so his ridiculously small "shin pads" are wasted on him anyway. He's clearly not the brightest, which is not vital when it comes to football, he got almost as many yellows & reds as he did goals & assists last season, I'm not quite sure how/where he fits into a 352 system & his temperament is, at best, questionable. That being said, the club will know how he behaved last season & if they want rid & can get £1m, I'd take it. Alternatively, if they feel Duff can get something out of him, I'd be on board with that too. Just interested, since you and other fans have such a high bar for someone who fills Sorba's position, who was the last winger who surpassed his capabilities at Town. Watch me laugh my arse off if anybody suggests VLP. 🤪 Pilks & Roberts were much better footballers.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 12, 2024 17:07:35 GMT 1
Just interested, since you and other fans have such a high bar for someone who fills Sorba's position, who was the last winger who surpassed his capabilities at Town. Watch me laugh my arse off if anybody suggests VLP. 🤪 Pilks & Roberts were much better footballers. You have proven the point I was making. I don't think I would disagree with you, re Pilks & Roberts, but that was 12+ seasons ago. There is a lot of criticism on here for Sorba, but we haven't had a better player in his position, since Roberts and Pilkington. A lot of people on here seem to be happy to see him go for not very much, but realistically we are unlikely to see someone in his position of his quality for the next decade. So I hope he stays or goes for a lot of cash.
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Post by DuffMan on Jul 12, 2024 17:09:55 GMT 1
Pilks & Roberts were much better footballers. You have proven the point I was making. I don't think I would disagree with you, re Pilks & Roberts, but that was 12+ seasons ago. There is a lot of criticism on here for Sorba, but we haven't had a better player in his position, since Roberts and Pilkington. A lot of people on here seem to be happy to see him go for not very much, but realistically we are unlikely to see someone in his position of his quality for the next decade. So I hope he stays or goes for a lot of cash. Sorba couldn't lace RVLPs boots in open play. Set piece merchant other than that league 1 level player at best
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Jul 12, 2024 17:14:38 GMT 1
I reckon we’ll get a load of set piece opportunities in the 46 game League 1 season so I would be happy for Sorba to be here to take them.
However if we get a shitload of money for him then I can see why we would sell him
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Post by londoncowling on Jul 12, 2024 17:14:48 GMT 1
IF Sorba is at the club for this coming season would assume that speaks volumes for his character pretty sure there will have been enough enquiries from other clubs he’s taken a pasting from many since the Germimator threw the toys out reckon a season under MD and his staff would enhance his development as others have commented, not sure where he would fit the MD master plan but pretty sure with the work required on his defensive side he could be the wingback MD is after .the rest of his game is already in place saying that the clash will have given him enough rope should he stay or should he go let’s hope it’s for the mutual benedict
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 12, 2024 17:20:18 GMT 1
Pilks & Roberts were much better footballers. You have proven the point I was making. I don't think I would disagree with you, re Pilks & Roberts, but that was 12+ seasons ago. There is a lot of criticism on here for Sorba, but we haven't had a better player in his position, since Roberts and Pilkington. A lot of people on here seem to be happy to see him go for not very much, but realistically we are unlikely to see someone in his position of his quality for the next decade. So I hope he stays or goes for a lot of cash. I hope you're right. Depending on whether you wanted to include different formations, Brown & Kachunga's one, great season were both better than Sorba too but let's get it right, for the most part of those years since Pilks & Roberts we've been really poor & when we have been a decent side, we blew our budget on crap wide men like Diakhaby, Mbenza, Pritchard & Ince. It'll be interesting to see how Hungbo gets on this season, as I believe he's a better footballer than Sorba. Sorba is an excellent dead ball crosser but that's where it ends for him, it's more testament to how crap we've been than how good a player he is. Let's be positive, if he's as good as you think (& I hope you're right) he should tear this division up but you have to question if he's that good, why isn't he in the Championship like Rudoni already & even if he stays I can't see a starting role in a 352.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 12, 2024 17:25:30 GMT 1
You have proven the point I was making. I don't think I would disagree with you, re Pilks & Roberts, but that was 12+ seasons ago. There is a lot of criticism on here for Sorba, but we haven't had a better player in his position, since Roberts and Pilkington. A lot of people on here seem to be happy to see him go for not very much, but realistically we are unlikely to see someone in his position of his quality for the next decade. So I hope he stays or goes for a lot of cash. Sorba couldn't lace RVLPs boots in open play. Set piece merchant other than that league 1 level player at best Think you're right re VLP being technically better in terms of keeping the ball. VLP was also better in the tackle. Other than that, Sorba bests him 1. Assists and goals from open play 2. Delivery from set pieces And for me, point 1 is what ultimately counts for a winger. Point 2 is a bonus.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 12, 2024 18:04:24 GMT 1
Sorba couldn't lace RVLPs boots in open play. Set piece merchant other than that league 1 level player at best Think you're right re VLP being technically better in terms of keeping the ball. VLP was also better in the tackle. Other than that, Sorba bests him 1. Assists and goals from open play 2. Delivery from set pieces And for me, point 1 is what ultimately counts for a winger. Point 2 is a bonus. Keeping the ball is a bit to far he often lost it and gave it back to quickly hence he spent far to long in our own half and any kind of assists. goals and football was done down the right.
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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 12, 2024 18:12:08 GMT 1
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jul 12, 2024 18:15:33 GMT 1
A certain former town German centre back spotted in the Huddersfield area today... 👀
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Post by leroy212 on Jul 12, 2024 18:20:17 GMT 1
A certain former town German centre back spotted in the Huddersfield area today... 👀 Still as cool as he was when he left
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Post by arry11 on Jul 12, 2024 18:28:34 GMT 1
Think he might be a decent addition a versitile midfielder who looks composed with the ball and looks like he can pass the dam ball lol. Also only 22 could be a great investment.
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 12, 2024 18:29:14 GMT 1
Would be good to see him at a first team game.
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Post by terrierinyork on Jul 12, 2024 18:37:32 GMT 1
The ones that's not retired and is currently a free agent I believe they're both retired now. CS is staying at 1FCN to coach their U15s next season. Just imagine in a few years time once they've got a bit of coaching/management experience. Schindler as manager, Hef as his assistant and Hogg as fitness coach.
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Post by Ross83 on Jul 12, 2024 19:42:52 GMT 1
I believe they're both retired now. CS is staying at 1FCN to coach their U15s next season. Just imagine in a few years time once they've got a bit of coaching/management experience. Schindler as manager, Hef as his assistant and Hogg as fitness coach. No chance, unfortunately. Unless he leaves his wife anytime soon.
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Post by royrace on Jul 12, 2024 20:52:44 GMT 1
Name a better one (than VLP)? You can't VLP served one purpose. He got us up the field. He could pick the ball up in our defensive third and get us into the attacking third. Other than that he offered fuck all. That's why he spent the last season before moving back to Holland in the Greek third division. 102 games for us, 7 goals, 5 assists. as winger's stats go that 's pretty poor. Sorba has played 135 games for us, 7 goals, 31 assists. Pilkington played 125 for us, scored 25, 18 assists. Gary Roberts played 192, scored 39, with 52 assists. You and a few others seem to forget pilks and Roberts played for us in league one. VLP helped us get promoted to the premier League. I was a big fan of both btw and also Sorba however I loved watching VLP due to his dribbling and ball carrying ability. Got me off my seat time and time again, a joy to watch. Brighton game probably his best when he had Bruno on toast. So yes Roberts and Pilks were great, neither as entertaining as VLP and played for us when we were struggling to get out of L1. It's not a valid comparison. I'm basing my opinion on what I saw whilst he played for town, don't care about stats and i don't care what he did afterwards or before. Huge part of our promotion, ask Wagner, but according to you he offered fuck all and you prefer our L1 wingers?! I hope we go on to have more players who offer fuck all in your expert opinion. That mooy fella too, ran the midfield week in week out, but other than that offered fuck all. Schindler, superb defender but other than that offered fuck all
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 12, 2024 21:01:50 GMT 1
VLP served one purpose. He got us up the field. He could pick the ball up in our defensive third and get us into the attacking third. Other than that he offered fuck all. That's why he spent the last season before moving back to Holland in the Greek third division. 102 games for us, 7 goals, 5 assists. as winger's stats go that 's pretty poor. Sorba has played 135 games for us, 7 goals, 31 assists. Pilkington played 125 for us, scored 25, 18 assists. Gary Roberts played 192, scored 39, with 52 assists. You and a few others seem to forget pilks and Roberts played for us in league one. VLP helped us get promoted to the premier League. I was a big fan of both btw and also Sorba however I loved watching VLP due to his dribbling and ball carrying ability. Got me off my seat time and time again, a joy to watch. Brighton game probably his best when he had Bruno on toast. So yes Roberts and Pilks were great, neither as entertaining as VLP and played for us when we were struggling to get out of L1. It's not a valid comparison. I'm basing my opinion on what I saw whilst he played for town, don't care about stats and i don't care what he did afterwards or before. Huge part of our promotion, ask Wagner, but according to you he offered fuck all and you prefer our L1 wingers?! I hope we go on to have more players who offer fuck all in your expert opinion. That mooy fella too, ran the midfield week in week out, but other than that offered fuck all. Schindler, superb defender but other than that offered fuck all Comparing van la Parra with Mooy and Schindler is ludicrous. He had no end product whatsoever. 9 shots out of ten were hit with a 9 iron.
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Post by royrace on Jul 12, 2024 21:05:01 GMT 1
Name a better one (than VLP)? You can't But you think Steve Mounié is not League 1 standard. I rest my case, m'lud 🤪 Having said that, it is not totally surprising you can't see the qualities of Big Steve, given all he had to feed off were scraps and cul de sac step overs from VLP. 🤪 I said I wouldn't want Mounie back at town, didn't say he wasn't L1 quality. Feels like you've got a bit of a crush on 'big Steve' so apologies for any offence The fact you're a huge Mounie fan but don't rate VLP leads me to believe you're a terrible judge of a player all opinions though eh! A bit of context...one of them played in the best town team in over 40 years and contributed hugely. The other cost £10M, wasn't quite good enough for the league we bought him for or arguably the one below.
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Post by royrace on Jul 12, 2024 21:14:27 GMT 1
You and a few others seem to forget pilks and Roberts played for us in league one. VLP helped us get promoted to the premier League. I was a big fan of both btw and also Sorba however I loved watching VLP due to his dribbling and ball carrying ability. Got me off my seat time and time again, a joy to watch. Brighton game probably his best when he had Bruno on toast. So yes Roberts and Pilks were great, neither as entertaining as VLP and played for us when we were struggling to get out of L1. It's not a valid comparison. I'm basing my opinion on what I saw whilst he played for town, don't care about stats and i don't care what he did afterwards or before. Huge part of our promotion, ask Wagner, but according to you he offered fuck all and you prefer our L1 wingers?! I hope we go on to have more players who offer fuck all in your expert opinion. That mooy fella too, ran the midfield week in week out, but other than that offered fuck all. Schindler, superb defender but other than that offered fuck all Comparing van la Parra with Mooy and Schindler is ludicrous. He had no end product whatsoever. 9 shots out of ten were hit with a 9 iron. If VLP had a consistent end product he wouldn't have played for us. Point is he made a huge contribution to that team not to mention the entertainment factor. Saying he offered fuck all is a ridiculous take and clearly not true. That's the point I was highlighting above, as you know. Maybe we should ask Wagner if he offered fuck all or some of his team mates. Probably the most skillful winger I've seen at town in 40 years watching.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 12, 2024 21:18:44 GMT 1
I believe they're both retired now. CS is staying at 1FCN to coach their U15s next season. Just imagine in a few years time once they've got a bit of coaching/management experience. Schindler as manager, Hef as his assistant and Hogg as fitness coach. Certain players should never be our manager, even if they have the right attributes. It's only a matter of time before the twatty and noisy element of our support get on their backs and spoil the rapport. Schindler, Boothy, Heff, Hogg, etc. - leave them as legends/stalwarts.
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Jul 12, 2024 21:32:20 GMT 1
Reminder about how good Roberts actually was. One of the most underrated town players of the last 20 years. I saw him a few weeks ago at a golf resort in Spain with all the Chesterfield team. His massive lugs stuck out like a sharks fin in that pool. Didn't he jump ship though or am I imagining that ?
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Post by arry11 on Jul 12, 2024 21:51:48 GMT 1
Comparing van la Parra with Mooy and Schindler is ludicrous. He had no end product whatsoever. 9 shots out of ten were hit with a 9 iron. If VLP had a consistent end product he wouldn't have played for us. Point is he made a huge contribution to that team not to mention the entertainment factor. Saying he offered fuck all is a ridiculous take and clearly not true. That's the point I was highlighting above, as you know. Maybe we should ask Wagner if he offered fuck all or some of his team mates. Probably the most skillful winger I've seen at town in 40 years watching. I got more pleasure seeing Tommy Smith laying on assists and scoring goals not watching a circus act.
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Post by alanalanleeee on Jul 12, 2024 22:19:08 GMT 1
Reminder about how good Roberts actually was. In my top 5 favourite players. Him and Pilks supplying Rhodes and Novak was so exciting. Pilks, Roberts and Rhodes was the most exciting town team I’ve ever seen. Don’t care what league we were in, the football those guys played was unreal. Chuck Jack Hunt in there too. They made me so proud to be a town fan.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 12, 2024 22:38:33 GMT 1
One of the most underrated town players of the last 20 years. I saw him a few weeks ago at a golf resort in Spain with all the Chesterfield team. His massive lugs stuck out like a sharks fin in that pool. Didn't he jump ship though or am I imagining that ? He left us when we got promoted but I seem to recall at the time he was getting stick from certain sections of the fans. He was literally the only signing of the Ternant era that was ant good.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 13, 2024 7:55:18 GMT 1
One of the most underrated town players of the last 20 years. I saw him a few weeks ago at a golf resort in Spain with all the Chesterfield team. His massive lugs stuck out like a sharks fin in that pool. Didn't he jump ship though or am I imagining that ? You're imagining it.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 13, 2024 7:57:22 GMT 1
I believe they're both retired now. CS is staying at 1FCN to coach their U15s next season. Just imagine in a few years time once they've got a bit of coaching/management experience. Schindler as manager, Hef as his assistant and Hogg as fitness coach. Here we go...
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Post by htfcterry on Jul 13, 2024 9:07:00 GMT 1
Just imagine in a few years time once they've got a bit of coaching/management experience. Schindler as manager, Hef as his assistant and Hogg as fitness coach. Here we go... Not much changes does it? 😂
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 13, 2024 9:08:02 GMT 1
Not much changes does it? 😂 Only the names. At least he didn't say, "I'd have Darren Bullock in charge". That's a plus.
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Post by melbourneterrier on Jul 13, 2024 11:40:57 GMT 1
Seems to have gone quiet on both the Ball and Batth fronts
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