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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 31, 2024 22:15:41 GMT 1
Helik and Nicholls are not in the new leadership group is a disappointment. Looks like there aren’t here long term. Losing Baulker, Thomas, Rudoni and potentially Helik and Nicholls has stripped majority of the quality in our starting 11. Evans looks decent but the rest look cheap bang average league 1 players. There is time yet but I would have hoped as a club we made signings which we would look to play in the championship in the future and resale value. We have a quality manager but we really do need them them signings Kev. The squad is old, slow, lacks quality and thin. Come on Kev, start seeing players as an investment like you see refurbishing a stadium and real estate By that logic, everyone but the 6 players in the leadership group are leaving. Good luck to them 6 playing against 11 every week
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 31, 2024 22:17:33 GMT 1
Truth be told I think it's been pretty naff. Just over a week away from the first game of the season and we have lost 2 key players and brought in 4 when we needed a total gutting. The players we have brought in look decent but we have been embarrassed by Birmingham and seem utterly toothless at the minute. 4 out of 10 for me which ironically reflects the number we have brought in. A 7+ seems a far better team with these newcomers we actually saw some football in the last game and once we iron out a few things it will all look rosy. UTT. If I have learned one thing from watching town it's that pre season means absolutely naff all. Never read anything into pre season results. A few new signings plugging the gaping holes we have and things will look better but right now I'm sorry but it's all a bit meh.
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Post by galpharmutt on Jul 31, 2024 22:20:06 GMT 1
Not sure why people are so up in arms about this leadership group not including Nicholls and Helik. A leadership group is designed to help create a harmonious changing room and squad. Yes, both Helik and Nicholls lead by example on the pitch - but are they vocal enough or organisers? Perhaps not. Maybe we’ll see some developments with either or both of them, but I think it would take an extraordinary offer, with something immediately lined up to lose Helik now.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 31, 2024 22:25:30 GMT 1
A 7+ seems a far better team with these newcomers we actually saw some football in the last game and once we iron out a few things it will all look rosy. UTT. If I have learned one thing from watching town it's that pre season means absolutely naff all. Never read anything into pre season results. A few new signings plugging the gaping holes we have and things will look better but right now I'm sorry but it's all a bit meh. Yes pre season games can be naf but the last game showed a bit of what the new players are bringing to the team good pressing and been able to play FOOTBALL which is a big improvement on last season.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 31, 2024 22:47:09 GMT 1
Got to agree with people on here getting worried. Gone from chasing league 1s top scorer to looking at loan strikers. Plus running out of time. Think we need 2 strikers, 1 CDM and 2 CBs and at least 2 of them especially the striker by next week. Realistically though i only see us getting 2/3 of them and that taking us till near the end of the window when it may be too late. Was quite excited a month ago but now getting a little worried and disheartened.
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Post by benhomly on Jul 31, 2024 22:47:24 GMT 1
Helik and Nicholls are not in the new leadership group is a disappointment. Looks like there aren’t here long term. Losing Baulker, Thomas, Rudoni and potentially Helik and Nicholls has stripped majority of the quality in our starting 11. Evans looks decent but the rest look cheap bang average league 1 players. There is time yet but I would have hoped as a club we made signings which we would look to play in the championship in the future and resale value. We have a quality manager but we really do need them them signings Kev. The squad is old, slow, lacks quality and thin. Come on Kev, start seeing players as an investment like you see refurbishing a stadium and real estate There's some crap being posted today, this is just one of them. We can't miss Baulker because he's hardly played and when he has he's not shown enough to suggest that he's quality. It's clear as day that Thomas would have never fit into Duff's system so he'd have been as useful as he has been in the pre season games ie not useful at all. Rudoni - remains to be seen whether he makes it or not but IMO he was very poor for us over the 2 seasons he was here; his final ball and efforts on goal were bang average L1. Helik and Nichols are still here so you can hardly use them to support your argument. Miller has been excellent in the pre season games. Sorensen was in the L1 team of the season last season and has looked decent so far so hardly bang average. Kane is already a fans favourite (I suspect you didn't go to Austria). As you say Evans looks decent. Cheap bang average league 1 players my arse. I think there's a dearth of real quality players available, you only have to look at some signings/rumours so far this summer. If Southampton think Brereton Diaz is going to keep them in the PL they're deluded; Che Adams to Torino!!; Ipswich were rumoured to be looking at Szmodics! I'd be happy to have him in L1 but PL? Crazy.
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Post by Ladaphosen on Jul 31, 2024 22:50:07 GMT 1
Helik and Nicholls are not in the new leadership group is a disappointment. Looks like there aren’t here long term. Losing Baulker, Thomas, Rudoni and potentially Helik and Nicholls has stripped majority of the quality in our starting 11. Evans looks decent but the rest look cheap bang average league 1 players. There is time yet but I would have hoped as a club we made signings which we would look to play in the championship in the future and resale value. We have a quality manager but we really do need them them signings Kev. The squad is old, slow, lacks quality and thin. Come on Kev, start seeing players as an investment like you see refurbishing a stadium and real estate There's some crap being posted today, this is just one of them. We can't miss Baulker because he's hardly played and when he has he's not shown enough to suggest that he's quality. It's clear as day that Thomas would have never fit into Duff's system so he'd have been as useful as he has been in the pre season games ie not useful at all. Rudoni - remains to be seen whether he makes it or not but IMO he was very poor for us over the 2 seasons he was here; his final ball and efforts on goal were bang average L1. Helik and Nichols are still here so you can hardly use them to support your argument. Miller has been excellent in the pre season games. Sorensen was in the L1 team of the season last season and has looked decent so far so hardly bang average. Kane is already a fans favourite (I suspect you didn't go to Austria). As you say Evans looks decent. Cheap bang average league 1 players my arse. I think there's a dearth of real quality players available, you only have to look at some signings/rumours so far this summer. If Southampton think Brereton Diaz is going to keep them in the PL they're deluded; Che Adams to Torino!!; Ipswich were rumoured to be looking at Szmodics! I'd be happy to have him in L1 but PL? Crazy. This post can also be filed under crap
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Post by shawsie on Jul 31, 2024 22:55:08 GMT 1
Looking at that list i would say 2 CBs minimum is the priority now. Helik, Pearson and Lees is not strong or pacey enough even for League 1. Turton/Spencer may be able to do a job but not ideal. Think with the midfield will have to wait after Evans and Kane and probably 1 striker Those 3 will be fine if the midfield is settled and sorted, albeit the made of papier-mâché balker is a worry as he does add energy and pace. You could put Baresi, Rio and Maldini in a 3 in front of a half fit Hogg/kasumu, half arsed Rudoni and mr tumble matos though and they’d look shaky.
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Post by Jimuano on Jul 31, 2024 22:58:36 GMT 1
Helik and Nicholls are not in the new leadership group is a disappointment. Looks like there aren’t here long term. Losing Baulker, Thomas, Rudoni and potentially Helik and Nicholls has stripped majority of the quality in our starting 11. Evans looks decent but the rest look cheap bang average league 1 players. There is time yet but I would have hoped as a club we made signings which we would look to play in the championship in the future and resale value. We have a quality manager but we really do need them them signings Kev. The squad is old, slow, lacks quality and thin. Come on Kev, start seeing players as an investment like you see refurbishing a stadium and real estate There's some crap being posted today, this is just one of them. We can't miss Baulker because he's hardly played and when he has he's not shown enough to suggest that he's quality. It's clear as day that Thomas would have never fit into Duff's system so he'd have been as useful as he has been in the pre season games ie not useful at all. Rudoni - remains to be seen whether he makes it or not but IMO he was very poor for us over the 2 seasons he was here; his final ball and efforts on goal were bang average L1. Helik and Nichols are still here so you can hardly use them to support your argument. Miller has been excellent in the pre season games. Sorensen was in the L1 team of the season last season and has looked decent so far so hardly bang average. Kane is already a fans favourite (I suspect you didn't go to Austria). As you say Evans looks decent. Cheap bang average league 1 players my arse. I think there's a dearth of real quality players available, you only have to look at some signings/rumours so far this summer. If Southampton think Brereton Diaz is going to keep them in the PL they're deluded; Che Adams to Torino!!; Ipswich were rumoured to be looking at Szmodics! I'd be happy to have him in L1 but PL? Crazy. Agree with this.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 31, 2024 23:04:16 GMT 1
Helik and Nicholls are not in the new leadership group is a disappointment. Looks like there aren’t here long term. Losing Baulker, Thomas, Rudoni and potentially Helik and Nicholls has stripped majority of the quality in our starting 11. Evans looks decent but the rest look cheap bang average league 1 players. There is time yet but I would have hoped as a club we made signings which we would look to play in the championship in the future and resale value. We have a quality manager but we really do need them them signings Kev. The squad is old, slow, lacks quality and thin. Come on Kev, start seeing players as an investment like you see refurbishing a stadium and real estate There's some crap being posted today, this is just one of them. We can't miss Baulker because he's hardly played and when he has he's not shown enough to suggest that he's quality. It's clear as day that Thomas would have never fit into Duff's system so he'd have been as useful as he has been in the pre season games ie not useful at all. Rudoni - remains to be seen whether he makes it or not but IMO he was very poor for us over the 2 seasons he was here; his final ball and efforts on goal were bang average L1. Helik and Nichols are still here so you can hardly use them to support your argument. Miller has been excellent in the pre season games. Sorensen was in the L1 team of the season last season and has looked decent so far so hardly bang average. Kane is already a fans favourite (I suspect you didn't go to Austria). As you say Evans looks decent. Cheap bang average league 1 players my arse. I think there's a dearth of real quality players available, you only have to look at some signings/rumours so far this summer. If Southampton think Brereton Diaz is going to keep them in the PL they're deluded; Che Adams to Torino!!; Ipswich were rumoured to be looking at Szmodics! I'd be happy to have him in L1 but PL? Crazy. One thing these posters are illuding too is we have a brand manager who seems to know what he is doing and a brand new style that fans will find more entertaining. We will win far more than we lose.UTT.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 31, 2024 23:13:38 GMT 1
Helik and Nicholls are not in the new leadership group is a disappointment. Looks like there aren’t here long term. Losing Baulker, Thomas, Rudoni and potentially Helik and Nicholls has stripped majority of the quality in our starting 11. Evans looks decent but the rest look cheap bang average league 1 players. There is time yet but I would have hoped as a club we made signings which we would look to play in the championship in the future and resale value. We have a quality manager but we really do need them them signings Kev. The squad is old, slow, lacks quality and thin. Come on Kev, start seeing players as an investment like you see refurbishing a stadium and real estate I don't really agree with large chunks of this, but most is arguable and I respect it regardless That last sentence though - what has to go through people's minds. Where do you start 😵💫
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Post by dooky82 on Jul 31, 2024 23:31:16 GMT 1
What's this leadership group all about?
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Post by teesdaleterrier on Jul 31, 2024 23:40:58 GMT 1
What's this leadership group all about? It's the new thing. England have one with Kane, Rice, Bellingham etc. Not sure of the point, I guess it's all about team harmony. For me it could even invoke resentment if not used properly in some squads.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 31, 2024 23:41:06 GMT 1
What's this leadership group all about? It's a load of fucking arse that's never been mentioned before.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 31, 2024 23:48:30 GMT 1
What's this leadership group all about? It's a load of fucking arse that's never been mentioned before. In every team there will always be a few who will have there say come what may so it's a bit of stupid way to go about it.
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Post by yappledapple on Aug 1, 2024 0:02:47 GMT 1
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Post by teesdaleterrier on Aug 1, 2024 0:31:09 GMT 1
Why does he bite on twitter? I don't get it. Stay off it, he needs to for the good of his own health I reckon
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 1, 2024 0:39:10 GMT 1
Looking at that list i would say 2 CBs minimum is the priority now. Helik, Pearson and Lees is not strong or pacey enough even for League 1. Turton/Spencer may be able to do a job but not ideal. Think with the midfield will have to wait after Evans and Kane and probably 1 striker I agree with you on the CBs. I don’t think Helik aside any of the others are good enough for top 6 in this league.
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Post by DuncShearer* on Aug 1, 2024 0:41:58 GMT 1
Why does he bite on twitter? I don't get it. Stay off it, he needs to for the good of his own health I reckon Tbf that TerrierNigel is a massive bellend
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 1, 2024 0:49:25 GMT 1
Everything until that last sentence is a fair comment. Then he just ruins it by being a complete bell sniff.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Aug 1, 2024 5:13:06 GMT 1
What's this leadership group all about? It’s based on Guardiolas ‘cultural pillars’. In the Barcelona Way (highly recommend btw), Guardiola identifies individuals that will uphold his culture and values. They are a mix of personalities and ages but the idea is that everyone in the dressing room has a leader that they can relate to and identify with. I would imagine Headley has some sort of influence and respect from the B team and academy lads hence his inclusion, also it may be Duffs way of ensuring total buy in from JH. It’s a modern thing but it’s all about enforcing a culture. Great book to read like I say.
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Post by dezzly on Aug 1, 2024 6:48:23 GMT 1
I see Kev is on the offensive on twitter.I’m hoping that’s a pre cursor to getting some deals done. However I do have the nagging feeling that,certainly on Joe Taylor,we won’t do what is necessary to get him whereas other clubs will. I just don’t want to see what I imagine might happen…he goes to Bolton,helps them to promotion,gets signed and plays for them in the champ before going for big money to a parachute club. I just hope all the talk of change and doing things differently is actually the case and all the above happens when he’s playing for us.
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Post by thomo on Aug 1, 2024 7:01:53 GMT 1
I see Kev is on the offensive on twitter.I’m hoping that’s a pre cursor to getting some deals done. However I do have the nagging feeling that,certainly on Joe Taylor,we won’t do what is necessary to get him whereas other clubs will. I just don’t want to see what I imagine might happen…he goes to Bolton,helps them to promotion,gets signed and plays for them in the champ before going for big money to a parachute club. I just hope all the talk of change and doing things differently is actually the case and all the above happens when he’s playing for us. Taylor sounds a great option so totally agree - hope we get it done asap. Ps I always laugh seeing 'big money' and 'parachute club' in the same sentence - if only we'd been able to spend our parachute payments on bolstering the side for another shot at the PL rather than them been siphoned off to DH 🙄 that will always stick in the throat
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Post by dezzly on Aug 1, 2024 7:10:59 GMT 1
I see Kev is on the offensive on twitter.I’m hoping that’s a pre cursor to getting some deals done. However I do have the nagging feeling that,certainly on Joe Taylor,we won’t do what is necessary to get him whereas other clubs will. I just don’t want to see what I imagine might happen…he goes to Bolton,helps them to promotion,gets signed and plays for them in the champ before going for big money to a parachute club. I just hope all the talk of change and doing things differently is actually the case and all the above happens when he’s playing for us. Taylor sounds a great option so totally agree - hope we get it done asap. Ps I always laugh seeing 'big money' and 'parachute club' in the same sentence - if only we'd been able to spend our parachute payments on bolstering the side for another shot at the PL rather than them been siphoned off to DH 🙄 that will always stick in the throat You can never say we don’t like to be different 😀
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Post by rockwall on Aug 1, 2024 7:11:04 GMT 1
There's some crap being posted today, this is just one of them. We can't miss Baulker because he's hardly played and when he has he's not shown enough to suggest that he's quality. It's clear as day that Thomas would have never fit into Duff's system so he'd have been as useful as he has been in the pre season games ie not useful at all. Rudoni - remains to be seen whether he makes it or not but IMO he was very poor for us over the 2 seasons he was here; his final ball and efforts on goal were bang average L1. Helik and Nichols are still here so you can hardly use them to support your argument. Miller has been excellent in the pre season games. Sorensen was in the L1 team of the season last season and has looked decent so far so hardly bang average. Kane is already a fans favourite (I suspect you didn't go to Austria). As you say Evans looks decent. Cheap bang average league 1 players my arse. I think there's a dearth of real quality players available, you only have to look at some signings/rumours so far this summer. If Southampton think Brereton Diaz is going to keep them in the PL they're deluded; Che Adams to Torino!!; Ipswich were rumoured to be looking at Szmodics! I'd be happy to have him in L1 but PL? Crazy. This post can also be filed under crap Not one part of the post is crap. Please highlight where the crap is?
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Post by rockwall on Aug 1, 2024 7:14:49 GMT 1
What's this leadership group all about? It's a load of fucking arse that's never been mentioned before. It's actually the complete opposite. As someone above has said, maybe look into Pep and how he has done it at City. Something a little different and new and people still throw a paddy.
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Post by DuncShearer* on Aug 1, 2024 7:19:12 GMT 1
It's a load of fucking arse that's never been mentioned before. It's actually the complete opposite. As someone above has said, maybe look into Pep and how he has done it at City. Something a little different and new and people still throw a paddy. That's why they throw a paddy because they don't like change or new ideas !.
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Post by thomo on Aug 1, 2024 7:39:02 GMT 1
Not sure why people are so up in arms about this leadership group not including Nicholls and Helik. A leadership group is designed to help create a harmonious changing room and squad. Yes, both Helik and Nicholls lead by example on the pitch - but are they vocal enough or organisers? Perhaps not. Maybe we’ll see some developments with either or both of them, but I think it would take an extraordinary offer, with something immediately lined up to lose Helik now. I am a little surprised Nicholls isn't part of it. He's one of our senior players and is more vocal during games than many. For sure I'd feel better if both players were part of it as for me they're both players to build our team around. As I said the other day is it too far out of the question to get them signed up to new contracts and get rid of this uncertainty??
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Post by mids on Aug 1, 2024 7:53:44 GMT 1
If Nicholls and Helik were likely to stay then they'd be definite members of the leadership group. As they aren't, it is evident we don't expect them to be here by the end of August - which is fair enough - good luck to them as long as we receive decent money for both of them.
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Post by Lovechops on Aug 1, 2024 7:54:37 GMT 1
Not sure why people are so up in arms about this leadership group not including Nicholls and Helik. A leadership group is designed to help create a harmonious changing room and squad. Yes, both Helik and Nicholls lead by example on the pitch - but are they vocal enough or organisers? Perhaps not. Maybe we’ll see some developments with either or both of them, but I think it would take an extraordinary offer, with something immediately lined up to lose Helik now. I am a little surprised Nicholls isn't part of it. He's one of our senior players and is more vocal during games than many. For sure I'd feel better if both players were part of it as for me they're both players to build our team around. As I said the other day is it too far out of the question to get them signed up to new contracts and get rid of this uncertainty?? Maybe because he is already vocal on the pitch he doesn’t need to be part of it think ppl are reading too much into that group didn’t say vice captain etc .
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