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Post by dugnet on Aug 1, 2024 11:24:49 GMT 1
The nervousness/negativity that is currently evident around the transfer window has to be expected. We have endured a period of poor choices which has led to even worse outcomes. I understand why some feel that way.
That said because we have lived through some miserable times doesn't mean we should lose sight of how big a job it is likely to be to turn things round. We will all have different opinions of what we need in the squad but one thing I think we might all agree on is the need for a different mindset. The job that MD, and those in charge higher up, have to do is create a new outlook and atmosphere. I would bet that the training ground, dressing room and atmosphere across the club hasn't been the best these last 2 years. I don't think we should underestimate how hard it might be to change this, but it does need to change.
From a recruitment viewpoint, and looking in from afar, it appears that the failure to secure May's signature may have derailed things a little. That said I don't think there are many Premier League loans (happy to be corrected) yet and movement up the pyramid seems a little less than normal (once again happy to be corrected). I think the full window maybe used before we complete our business.
Of course from a perception viewpoint any perceived reluctance to recruit or delay will be seen as us still being in the malaise of the recent past. That might be unfair but it is what it is. Start the season slowly, with the recruitment question still prevalent, and the mood will very quickly turn to borderline unpleasant. Those responsible hopefully know this.
The balance of course is that the investment in the stadium, the signings so far and the appointment of a manager who I think is ambitious suggest that there is the desire to change the fortunes of the club. Credible people have intimated that there is a clear ambition to return to the Championship and I haven’t seen any reason to challenge that, yet.
Turning the Town tanker round may take a bit longer than we want but I think it is turning. Where we are in May 25 is what matters. Personally I'm happy to make a judgement on our journey at the end of September. We'll know by then where we really stand.
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Post by Wingman on Aug 1, 2024 11:25:43 GMT 1
Got to agree with royrace, the noise around Balker is unjustified. IMO he’s done nothing to deserve the status he has with Town fans; he has a long way to go to prove he was worth the outlay. Granted his injuries haven’t helped but then that’s part of the problem. And as for the tweets sent to Nagle on X, Jesus wept and cried into his Cheerios, embarrassing. Who on Earth thinks ‘oh I’ll direct an arsey statement to the owner today’. Folk need to get a grip. I’d be inclined to tell one or two to go screw themselves, the man has patience that’s for sure!
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 1, 2024 11:26:34 GMT 1
Ward and Healey are too similar for Me. Bojan - looks lightweight and has done nothing Harratt - has also done nothing that makes me think he will be an asset to us. Koroma - had a good pre-season. Does have more threat than the others. A confident Josh will definitely be an asset in this division. For me we need some pace up there.Koroma is fairly quick but doesn’t seem to make those runs between and in behind defenders. We now have midfield players to find those runs so maybe he will more often but I think we need to add at least one more who can do that and who’s willing to press. 100% we need this. One thing I’ve noticed about Miller is he is looking for that early pass all time. Looking to get that ball down the line. One cross on Sunday he whipped in a great ball. Ward arrived 10 minutes too late. He isn’t a natural striker and should have made that run.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 1, 2024 11:28:23 GMT 1
Town fans are strange. Most will chuck praise at a poor Pearson yet refute clear and obvious quality that Balker has.
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Post by boooothy on Aug 1, 2024 11:32:15 GMT 1
Got to agree with royrace, the noise around Balker is unjustified. IMO he’s done nothing to deserve the status he has with Town fans; he has a long way to go to prove he was worth the outlay. Granted his injuries haven’t helped but then that’s part of the problem. And as for the tweets sent to Nagle on X, Jesus wept and cried into his Cheerios, embarrassing. Who on Earth thinks ‘oh I’ll direct an arsey statement to the owner today’. Folk need to get a grip. I’d be inclined to tell one or two to go screw themselves, the man has patience that’s for sure! The players themselves rate Helik very highly but i hear they rate Baulker higher. As for the transfer window. This is a massive drop in standard. The players we might not have rated last year such as Wiles should excel.
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Post by ambryboy on Aug 1, 2024 11:34:08 GMT 1
I remember the opening game of the season town went up under Warnock in the 90s. Away at Blackpool. Jepson and Boothy up front. They were brilliant. Town won 4-2. But they didn’t even win automatic promotion that season. It had to take a scuffed penalty by Bullock to get to the play-off final. I would think the division is harder now. Look at the mediocrity they have to work with this season compared to Jepson and Booth. This squad is mid table material. I’m not sure what fans are basing their ‘this squad is good enough for league one’ from. Sounds like arrogance but I’m not sure what town fans have to be arrogant about. I'm sorry but Bullock's penalty was not scuffed, granted the keeper got something on it but it had enough power for that not to matter. Furthermore, only one team was automatically promoted that season due to the restructuring of the leagues so it's hardly a like-for-like comparison. However if you prefer to be negative before a ball has even been kicked in anger then crack on, fwiw I'm mildly optimistic we might have a decent season.
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Post by dugnet on Aug 1, 2024 11:35:14 GMT 1
Town fans are strange. Most will chuck praise at a poor Pearson yet refute clear and obvious quality that Balker has. Balker, if fit (that's the problem) is clearly better than League One. The fact is he is injured, again, means he is irrelevant at the moment.
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Post by wigster on Aug 1, 2024 11:51:39 GMT 1
Town fans are strange. Most will chuck praise at a poor Pearson yet refute clear and obvious quality that Balker has. Pearson gives 100% every minute he is on the pitch, and by all accounts is also a leader off the pitch. He may be limited - although no more so than most non-Premier league central defenders - but is totally reliable in terms of effort and character, whatever position he is asked to play in. At the moment Balker just cannot be relied upon - through no fault of his own perhaps - his injury record with Town is not encouraging and he has played less than 150 games since starting his senior career in 2017. Not that impressive. Whether he shows "obvious quality" when he does play is a moot point, but I know which of the two players has given by far the most so far in their Huddersfield Town careers.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2024 11:52:39 GMT 1
It's still a very light squad rammed with injury prone, ageing players.
Nagle sounds confident we'll be bringing in some quality reinforcements though, not just squad fillers. This time last year he said he was happy with the squad and wasn't worried, when anyone with eyes and half a brain knew we'd struggle. Hope he's learned some big lessons since then.
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Post by detox on Aug 1, 2024 11:56:29 GMT 1
Anyone heard anything about the 'consortium' KN was hoping to assemble which would jointly own/invest in the club ?
At the moment KN is having to fund everything from stadium repairs, staffing and developments and players...plus all the juggling around with stadium ownership and the ensuing development subsequent to that... meanwhile he's also running Sacramento...
That's a lot on his plate so I'm surprised we've heard naught of a consortium..(unless no one is interested of course)..
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Post by detox on Aug 1, 2024 12:03:18 GMT 1
It's still a very light squad rammed with injury prone, ageing players. Nagle sounds confident we'll be bringing in some quality reinforcements though, not just squad fillers. This time last year he said he was happy with the squad and wasn't worried, when anyone with eyes and half a brain knew we'd struggle. Hope he's learned some big lessons since then. Don't we all..KN made a few bad choices which ultimately led to our relegation..and yes we as fans could recognise the dangers long before KN seemed to...or KN's chosen management team... My concern remains that he's still not really understanding english football, and that he doesn't seem to appoint very good people...
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Aug 1, 2024 12:06:22 GMT 1
If Nicholls and Helik were likely to stay then they'd be definite members of the leadership group. As they aren't, it is evident we don't expect them to be here by the end of August - which is fair enough - good luck to them as long as we receive decent money for both of them. For me has to be more than decent money for them. More importantly they HAVE to be replaced with similar ability or improved ability otherwise we're weakening ourselves again. Which is a big no no for me and would go against everything that was said about strengthening, and building with 1 objection this season. To get promoted.
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Post by ezzie on Aug 1, 2024 12:15:43 GMT 1
And by the way, I’ve heard Town fans on this forum mention if Helik goes it should be a minimum of £3m
£3m?🤣 anything below 7-8m is a total failure. POTS x 2
9 goals last season. Would be one of the best CBs in the C’ship around someone else half decent.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2024 12:18:03 GMT 1
And by the way, I’ve heard Town fans on this forum mention if Helik goes it should be a minimum of £3m £3m?🤣 anything below 7-8m is a total failure. POTS x 2 9 goals last season. Would be one of the best CBs in the C’ship around someone else half decent. He's 29 next month. £7-8m? Not a chance.
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Post by Donny Terrier on Aug 1, 2024 12:33:38 GMT 1
And by the way, I’ve heard Town fans on this forum mention if Helik goes it should be a minimum of £3m £3m?🤣 anything below 7-8m is a total failure. POTS x 2 9 goals last season. Would be one of the best CBs in the C’ship around someone else half decent. He's 29 next month. £7-8m? Not a chance. Selling Helik would be the final straw for me...no amount of money can replace a 9 goal defender/striker We have 2 players in one with Helik It would be a fire sale Selling him and just telling the fans a load of porkies as usual If the owner is genuinely ambitious then michal will be back in the championship in 10 months time so what's the problem?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2024 12:35:21 GMT 1
He's 29 next month. £7-8m? Not a chance. Selling Helik would be the final straw for me...no amount of money can replace a 9 goal defender/striker We have 2 players in one with Helik It would be a fire sale Selling him and just telling the fans a load of porkies as usual If the owner is genuinely ambitious then michal will be back in the championship in 10 months time so what's the problem? I never said their was a problem, nor do I want us to sell him. I was just pointing out that £7-8m for Helik is pie in the sky.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Aug 1, 2024 12:51:01 GMT 1
Anyone heard anything about the 'consortium' KN was hoping to assemble which would jointly own/invest in the club ? At the moment KN is having to fund everything from stadium repairs, staffing and developments and players...plus all the juggling around with stadium ownership and the ensuing development subsequent to that... meanwhile he's also running Sacramento... That's a lot on his plate so I'm surprised we've heard naught of a consortium..(unless no one is interested of course).. Not heard anything of him wanting to get a consortium together. Every time he has spoken about ownership, funding etc been quite clear it’s him and happy to do it himself
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Post by runner76 on Aug 1, 2024 13:05:51 GMT 1
If we sell our top striker it would be unforgivable.
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Post by E4b on Aug 1, 2024 13:08:32 GMT 1
If we sell our top striker it would be unforgivable. . is Wardy going?
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Post by htafcdan on Aug 1, 2024 13:11:38 GMT 1
If we sell our top striker it would be unforgivable. ??
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Post by Ross83 on Aug 1, 2024 13:12:18 GMT 1
If we sell our top striker it would be unforgivable. ?? Helik, I'm guessing.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2024 13:12:55 GMT 1
If we sell our top striker it would be unforgivable. . is Wardy going? Hopefully 🤞
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Post by htafcdan on Aug 1, 2024 13:13:14 GMT 1
ah right, thought he meant healey 🤣 seen a luton fan on twitter today thinking they’re in for helik
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Post by trevuptop on Aug 1, 2024 13:14:29 GMT 1
Town fans are strange. Most will chuck praise at a poor Pearson yet refute clear and obvious quality that Balker has. Pearson gives 100% every minute he is on the pitch, and by all accounts is also a leader off the pitch. He may be limited - although no more so than most non-Premier league central defenders - but is totally reliable in terms of effort and character, whatever position he is asked to play in. At the moment Balker just cannot be relied upon - through no fault of his own perhaps - his injury record with Town is not encouraging and he has played less than 150 games since starting his senior career in 2017. Not that impressive. Whether he shows "obvious quality" when he does play is a moot point, but I know which of the two players has given by far the most so far in their Huddersfield Town careers. Balker technically is miles ahead of Pearson, especially if they're competing for playing as the wide centre half. But obviously the best player is a fit player
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Post by goodbet on Aug 1, 2024 13:16:41 GMT 1
If we sell our top striker it would be unforgivable. . is Wardy going? Very funny! How close to Helik did Ward get?
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Post by midlander on Aug 1, 2024 13:16:47 GMT 1
Not saying that we will definitely sell Helik, but some of the comments are ridiculous. If there are offers made for him and the player indicates he wants to explore those offers, then what are the club expected to do? They can reject offers and refuse Helik permission to talk but then you risk having an unhappy player who then underperforms and then becomes a depreciating asset. Football transfers are never black and white. Same with bringing players in. We will have main targets and secondary targets. Sometimes have to wait longer for your first choice so do you bite the bullet and go for second or third on the list just to appease fans by getting something done? Or, do you try and get the one you really want?
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Post by hoggy1975 on Aug 1, 2024 13:27:55 GMT 1
Not saying that we will definitely sell Helik, but some of the comments are ridiculous. If there are offers made for him and the player indicates he wants to explore those offers, then what are the club expected to do? They can reject offers and refuse Helik permission to talk but then you risk having an unhappy player who then underperforms and then becomes a depreciating asset. Football transfers are never black and white. Same with bringing players in. We will have main targets and secondary targets. Sometimes have to wait longer for your first choice so do you bite the bullet and go for second or third on the list just to appease fans by getting something done? Or, do you try and get the one you really want? Helik has a contract with the club and we can say no. If he chooses to be unprofessional that is his call, but that would mean spending an entire season on the bench and would reduce his chances of getting a decent team in the league above. We have to stay strong. When Leeds went down Gnonto wanted to leave, Leeds said no as no one met their valuation, and then he got his head down and played. Similar happens at other clubs, like Birmingham who look like they will keep players they thought they’d lose. As far as I’m aware, the club don’t need to sell. There’s been over a month since we lost out on May who was clearly our first option and if our second option is a striker who’s been injured for the last 6-9 months, it’s hardly going to excite the fans when we nearly purchased league one’s top goal scorer. Pre season is nearly done and although football transfers are a long process, fans are entitled to say we are short up top when we have two injury prone strikers (ward is bang average), koroma and a youngster.
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Post by dezzly on Aug 1, 2024 13:28:24 GMT 1
ah right, thought he meant healey 🤣 seen a luton fan on twitter today thinking they’re in for helik Swap deal for Taylor?it’s a theory
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Post by gowlinggoal on Aug 1, 2024 13:30:31 GMT 1
The nervousness/negativity that is currently evident around the transfer window has to be expected. We have endured a period of poor choices which has led to even worse outcomes. I understand why some feel that way. That said because we have lived through some miserable times doesn't mean we should lose sight of how big a job it is likely to be to turn things round. We will all have different opinions of what we need in the squad but one thing I think we might all agree on is the need for a different mindset. The job that MD, and those in charge higher up, have to do is create a new outlook and atmosphere. I would bet that the training ground, dressing room and atmosphere across the club hasn't been the best these last 2 years. I don't think we should underestimate how hard it might be to change this, but it does need to change. From a recruitment viewpoint, and looking in from afar, it appears that the failure to secure May's signature may have derailed things a little. That said I don't think there are many Premier League loans (happy to be corrected) yet and movement up the pyramid seems a little less than normal (once again happy to be corrected). I think the full window maybe used before we complete our business. Of course from a perception viewpoint any perceived reluctance to recruit or delay will be seen as us still being in the malaise of the recent past. That might be unfair but it is what it is. Start the season slowly, with the recruitment question still prevalent, and the mood will very quickly turn to borderline unpleasant. Those responsible hopefully know this. The balance of course is that the investment in the stadium, the signings so far and the appointment of a manager who I think is ambitious suggest that there is the desire to change the fortunes of the club. Credible people have intimated that there is a clear ambition to return to the Championship and I haven’t seen any reason to challenge that, yet. Turning the Town tanker round may take a bit longer than we want but I think it is turning. Where we are in May 25 is what matters. Personally I'm happy to make a judgement on our journey at the end of September. We'll know by then where we really stand. Dug - you realise you're on DATM? No reasoned thoughts here - no shade of grey - knee jerk reactions only
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 1, 2024 13:32:55 GMT 1
I remember the opening game of the season town went up under Warnock in the 90s. Away at Blackpool. Jepson and Boothy up front. They were brilliant. Town won 4-2. But they didn’t even win automatic promotion that season. It had to take a scuffed penalty by Bullock to get to the play-off final. I would think the division is harder now. Look at the mediocrity they have to work with this season compared to Jepson and Booth. This squad is mid table material. I’m not sure what fans are basing their ‘this squad is good enough for league one’ from. Sounds like arrogance but I’m not sure what town fans have to be arrogant about. So much to work on here: * Town won 4-1 * Why would you think the division is harder now? * Reasons for thinking this squad is good enough for League 1 - Helik, Pearson & Lees are all Championship quality when it comes to strength, know-how & determination the problem they have is against pace (how many pacey League 1 strikers will they be playing against, as opposed to big lumps?) - We have bought 4 players (so far) who have been top end League 1 in the last couple of seasons - We have a proven manager at League 1 level - If you've watched any pre-season friendly, you will have seen us stop passing it about at the back for 2 mins before hoofing it upfield to a lone striker, we have a clear method of how we want to play - We look far fitter & organised than at any time last season - We have players looking for, & even demanding, the ball, the total opposite to last season - We were prepared to pay really good League 1 money for May only, quite rightly, to let Brum have him for a ridiculous amount of money - KN will spend money on the right player, without putting anything at risk (do you think all the Brum players will be happy on May being on 20k?) - I think the plan was to get May & a loan striker, May we lost out to but clubs have to decide on their squads before allowing loans out - All the background work at the Stadium smacks to me of an owner here for the long haul - Last season the promoted teams were clear of League 1 rivals by a country mile. Ipswich just continued that, miraculously, but the other 2 teams really struggled in the Championship & weren't, in truth, much better than us, they both could really easily have been relegated - I expect the teams in League 1 to be hard-working & organised, so of course it won't be easy, but, for the vast majority, there will be nothing like the quality of player we have been playing against recently - I expect us to see far more of the ball this season, which would be the worst thing we could have done with our team last year, however, we now have midfielders who are comfortable on the ball so I don't expect us to have to rely on set pieces for goals - That being said, we now also have a free kick taker that will threaten the goal, in Evans - I would also put money on us getting a pen in the first 5 games of the season. We will be seen by refs as a big fish in this league & we will get decisions in our favour, with a more than fair number of pens given over the season
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