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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Aug 1, 2024 15:28:22 GMT 1
Just on the Helik thing no idea if he’s going or not (although suspect he will) but read a couple saying it would be unforgivable to sell him?? What on earth?? That’s what happens when you get relegated. You are forced to sell your best players. Every club does it so why would we be so special??
Leeds have sold quite a few of their main men and didn’t even get relegated just didn’t get promoted. We have plucked some of the best players from L1 rivals. Football is a food chain. Deal with it.
When relegation was confirmed we all expected Helik would be first to go. I saw nobody then saying it would be a disgrace or unforgivable. What’s changed?
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Post by ezzie on Aug 1, 2024 15:33:54 GMT 1
And by the way, I’ve heard Town fans on this forum mention if Helik goes it should be a minimum of £3m £3m?🤣 anything below 7-8m is a total failure. POTS x 2 9 goals last season. Would be one of the best CBs in the C’ship around someone else half decent. He's 29 next month. £7-8m? Not a chance. So he’s 28? What planet are you on. Uh oh yeah… so he’s in his prime? But 7 million is too much for one of the best CBs in the championship, multiple player of the year/season consecutively, and scored 9 goals in a relegated team. Are you behind the times again of football fees in the 21st century? The same league that Leicester purchased Harry Souttar (a centre back) from Stoke for €17m? Only last year btw
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Post by theterrier42 on Aug 1, 2024 15:35:04 GMT 1
Townsend WBA to Ipswich 750k is a great deal for the tractor boys. WBA sold two key players in two days. I wonder whats going on there . Wonder if Carlos will quit like he did with us after we sold two key players
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Post by bells ringing :) on Aug 1, 2024 15:36:30 GMT 1
Townsend WBA to Ipswich 750k is a great deal for the tractor boys. WBA sold two key players in two days. I wonder whats going on there . Wonder if Carlos will quit like he did with us after we sold two key players Probs then wait for a champ club to sack their manager. They haven't even sold them for the going rate really or as much as sold ours for.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 1, 2024 15:36:47 GMT 1
Townsend WBA to Ipswich 750k is a great deal for the tractor boys. WBA sold two key players in two days. I wonder whats going on there . Wonder if Carlos will quit like he did with us after we sold two key players The key players hadn't even been sold before he decided to leave.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Aug 1, 2024 15:39:26 GMT 1
Wonder if Carlos will quit like he did with us after we sold two key players The key players hadn't even been sold before he decided to leave. No but the smell was there with us, where as here there is proof. I am sure he tried for the Las Palmas job until WBA put a stop to it.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 1, 2024 15:41:55 GMT 1
The key players hadn't even been sold before he decided to leave. No but the smell was there with us, where as here there is proof. I am sure he tried for the Las Palmas job until WBA put a stop to it. He's certainly a mercenary.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Aug 1, 2024 15:44:17 GMT 1
No but the smell was there with us, where as here there is proof. I am sure he tried for the Las Palmas job until WBA put a stop to it. He's certainly a mercenary. He defo has no stickability , but plenty of bounce back ability . I can see him at leeds when Farke gets the boot.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 1, 2024 15:44:49 GMT 1
He's certainly a mercenary. He defo has no stickability , but plenty of bounce back ability . I can see him at leeds when Farke gets the boot. Hopefully.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 1, 2024 15:45:37 GMT 1
Wonder if Carlos will quit like he did with us after we sold two key players The key players hadn't even been sold before he decided to leave. Was he supposed to hang around until they left? He knew they were going and Dean would not bring in the players he wanted so he walked, as anyone with any sense would have done.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 1, 2024 15:48:21 GMT 1
The key players hadn't even been sold before he decided to leave. Was he supposed to hang around until they left? He knew they were going and Dean would not bring in the players he wanted so he walked, as anyone with any sense would have done. Should have stuck around at the club that stuck by him when he should have got the bullet the year before. I'm not complaining though, because if he hadn't have left I'd have never have witnessed the last few months of 2022-23.
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Aug 1, 2024 15:49:30 GMT 1
Townsend WBA to Ipswich 750k is a great deal for the tractor boys. WBA sold two key players in two days. I wonder whats going on there . Wonder if Carlos will quit like he did with us after we sold two key players from what I am led to believe Carlos went in with a list of loanees which included Branthwaite, Simms and Anderson from Everton, and Newcastle. He was told he couldn't have them. Lack of foresight and funding from DH.
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Post by dezzly on Aug 1, 2024 15:49:32 GMT 1
He's 29 next month. £7-8m? Not a chance. So he’s 28? What planet are you on. Uh oh yeah… so he’s in his prime? But 7 million is too much for one of the best CBs in the championship, multiple player of the year/season consecutively, and scored 9 goals in a relegated team. Are you behind the times again of football fees in the 21st century? The same league that Leicester purchased Harry Souttar (a centre back) from Stoke for €17m? Only last year btw He’s also in the last year of his contract..,,be surprised if anyone’s dropping 7 million with that in mind.
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Post by 2ellandback on Aug 1, 2024 15:50:31 GMT 1
If we sell our top striker it would be unforgivable. . is Wardy going? He said top striker not golfer.
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Post by royrace on Aug 1, 2024 15:54:01 GMT 1
Not saying that we will definitely sell Helik, but some of the comments are ridiculous. If there are offers made for him and the player indicates he wants to explore those offers, then what are the club expected to do? They can reject offers and refuse Helik permission to talk but then you risk having an unhappy player who then underperforms and then becomes a depreciating asset. Football transfers are never black and white. Same with bringing players in. We will have main targets and secondary targets. Sometimes have to wait longer for your first choice so do you bite the bullet and go for second or third on the list just to appease fans by getting something done? Or, do you try and get the one you really want? It's getting a bit late in the day to sell Helik. He's our player and we don't need to sell, if he wanted to move and we don't want him to we just have to promise he'll be allowed to move if we don't get promoted or it doesn't look like we're going to be promoted. Ambitious clubs don't off load all their best players after relegation if they don't have to. There are some quality players in league one and plenty who have stuck around following relegation and turned down other offers. Barry Bannan the most obvious one. I'll be very pissed off if we lose Helik at this stage. Earlier on I'd have been accepting of it providing it was a good deal and he was replaced.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 1, 2024 15:55:12 GMT 1
He's 29 next month. £7-8m? Not a chance. So he’s 28? What planet are you on. Uh oh yeah… so he’s in his prime? But 7 million is too much for one of the best CBs in the championship, multiple player of the year/season consecutively, and scored 9 goals in a relegated team. Are you behind the times again of football fees in the 21st century? The same league that Leicester purchased Harry Souttar (a centre back) from Stoke for €17m? Only last year btw If he'd been part of a team that was capable of keeping clean sheets over the last couple of seasons and if he'd gone to the world cup and played well we could probably demand a bigger fee. The fact is, over the last 3 seasons he's been relegated from the championship twice and stayed up by the skin of his teeth in the other, in that time he's been the mainstay in teams that have conceded 212 goals. He no longer gets a look in with the Poland squad, he'll soon be 29 and coming into the finalyear of his contract. I'm a fan of Helik but £7-8m is cloud cuckoo land.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 15:57:02 GMT 1
He's 29 next month. £7-8m? Not a chance. So he’s 28? What planet are you on. Uh oh yeah… so he’s in his prime? But 7 million is too much for one of the best CBs in the championship, multiple player of the year/season consecutively, and scored 9 goals in a relegated team. Are you behind the times again of football fees in the 21st century? The same league that Leicester purchased Harry Souttar (a centre back) from Stoke for €17m? Only last year btw Harry Souttar has a lot lot more potential sell on than Helik does younger for a start, was at a Championship club. Helik at a guess will go for between 3 - 5 million if he does go and anywhere in that price range I think he will leave and it will be a good deal for all and we will reinvest. Anything less than this I think it’s not worth taking, for what it’s worth I think he will stay this season.
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Post by royrace on Aug 1, 2024 15:57:07 GMT 1
Pearson gives 100% every minute he is on the pitch, and by all accounts is also a leader off the pitch. He may be limited - although no more so than most non-Premier league central defenders - but is totally reliable in terms of effort and character, whatever position he is asked to play in. At the moment Balker just cannot be relied upon - through no fault of his own perhaps - his injury record with Town is not encouraging and he has played less than 150 games since starting his senior career in 2017. Not that impressive. Whether he shows "obvious quality" when he does play is a moot point, but I know which of the two players has given by far the most so far in their Huddersfield Town careers. Can't fault his effort, but his lack of technical ability, particularly last season, has become a massive problem, he was directly responsible for more than a few goals conceded. He will be absolutely fine in League 1 I suspect as long as he doesn't get played as a full back again Pearson was directly responsible for over three goals last season? Really? Technical ability a massive problem? Can't play right back in league one despite doing a sound job there on many occasions in the championship? Notably against Clarke one of the best wingers in the league? Hhhmmmmm
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Post by theterrier42 on Aug 1, 2024 16:01:13 GMT 1
Wonder if Carlos will quit like he did with us after we sold two key players The key players hadn't even been sold before he decided to leave. Tapped up by a certain Greek 👀
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Aug 1, 2024 16:01:42 GMT 1
Just on the Helik thing no idea if he’s going or not (although suspect he will) but read a couple saying it would be unforgivable to sell him?? What on earth?? That’s what happens when you get relegated. You are forced to sell your best players. Every club does it so why would we be so special?? Leeds have sold quite a few of their main men and didn’t even get relegated just didn’t get promoted. We have plucked some of the best players from L1 rivals. Football is a food chain. Deal with it.
When relegation was confirmed we all expected Helik would be first to go. I saw nobody then saying it would be a disgrace or unforgivable. What’s changed? Although I respect your opinion, as often at times I agree with a lot of what you say. It's statements like this that go totally against the message that those who run the club have mentioned though. "We are position where we DO NOT need to sell our best players" "Our number 1 target is promotion" "We will cut/part ways with the players that caused the problems" < or to that extent. Selling our best/better players without adequate replacements for me would be neglect. As would selling our better players, not replacing, leaving us unbalanced and not truly going for promotion that was sold to us. Which would create a more toxic environment than this club has received in recent years, and in my eyes completely undo all the hard work that those behind the scenes have done to not only improve the club, but also start to turn the attitude of those who maybe had lost faith in the ownership, and previous regimes. If we sell Helik, it'll be a bummer yes. Because, as a player I rate him, as a player I'd want to build a team around to win the league. So to part ways with arguably our best asset and not replace would be in my view catastrophic. For me it would need to be an astronomical offer that would be ridiculous for us to turn down closer to the 8 figure mark for us to justify parting ways with him. I truly believe he's worth that much to us as a team and as a club. Selling your best players/forced to sell isn't always what happens when you get relegated, especially when you want to bounce right back up. Dealing with it, is such a defensive and stubborn way to put it. What a fanbase won't and shouldn't deal with is a message that is consistently delivered as we're going to go for promotion any means necessary, we're going to invest, and were going to do this and that. And not have those messages/promises delivered. It's called accountability.
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 1, 2024 16:03:06 GMT 1
The key players hadn't even been sold before he decided to leave. Tapped up by a certain Greek 👀 Would explain that "performance" in the final and the dropping of Turton, Holmes and Russell, who were all performing well going into that final.
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Post by dooky82 on Aug 1, 2024 16:04:03 GMT 1
Helik linked with Luton on Twitter, if true I hope Joe Taylor is heading in the opposite direction as part of any deal.
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 1, 2024 16:09:25 GMT 1
Helik linked with Luton on Twitter, if true I hope Joe Taylor is heading in the opposite direction as part of any deal. I'd want a central defender too. Depends on the Twitter source whether there's anything in it, of course. So much rubbish spouted on there (and on here in fairness).
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Post by durhamterrier on Aug 1, 2024 16:13:30 GMT 1
For what it’s worth, so close to the start of the season I think we are miles away from where we need to be to compete in the top half of the table. Either we are underestimating the turnaround that needed to be done this summer or we are missing out on numerous targets. In a dreadful Championship bar 3 teams we were 2nd worst comfortably and deservedly so. We had numerous managers who couldn’t get anything from the players and the amount of people who said ‘this team would struggle in League 1’ both on here and at the games. Yet suddenly I am seeing comments that we have a better squad than the others in League 1. I wouldn’t have been bothered to see any player from last season moved on. If we got the reported 5 mill for Rudoni we have done well as I would have got rid for a tenth of that. These are players, who for the last 2 seasons in a lot of cases, have been nothing short of abject and dreadful despite playing under numerous managers. I expected at least 10 squad players moved out if not more and a rebuild almost from scratch. These players are not good enough and the top teams in league 1 are better than the rubbish we saw at the bottom end of the championship in a lot of cases. We desperately need 8 or 9 more in and 5 or 6 out. I mean starting the season with 2 strikers who will be in the physio room within a couple of games, and back up who won’t score 5 between them. It doesn’t bode well if we think that will fire us back up to the championship. As for pre season I take no notice of performance or results. It means nothing and never has done. The amount of times we win all the games and look good then struggle when the season starts, and vice versa. I have not commented until now on the transfer window and there is no knee jerk reaction. That’s my opinion a few days before the season starts. Right now I would be happy with mid table. We are massively underestimating what is required in my opinion. We know league 1 and what it took last time to get out of it. We know these players and their capability and I think some people might be in for a shock this season if they are expecting us to be easily top 6. Would disagree we NEED players in by the first game . It’s natural that we’ll continue to trade until deadline day and agree we need a few in by then too … however that’ll likely see some go too . If we start the Peterborough game along the lines of the below I think that’s an extremely strong squad . Nichols Sorensen Pearson Helik Spencer Miller Kane Hogg Kasumu Healey Koroma Bench of Maxwell Turton Lees Ruffels Headley Evans Iorpenda Bojan Ward Realised I’ve missed Wiles out of this too and apparently only 7 subs in league one . We’ve a fucking decent squad . Wish people would stop saying we need 5 or 6 in in the next 7 days
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Post by theterrier42 on Aug 1, 2024 16:16:08 GMT 1
Tapped up by a certain Greek 👀 Would explain that "performance" in the final and the dropping of Turton, Holmes and Russell, who were all performing well going into that final. I don’t get into that cause I’ll be called a conspiracy theorist 😂😂
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 1, 2024 16:18:13 GMT 1
Would explain that "performance" in the final and the dropping of Turton, Holmes and Russell, who were all performing well going into that final. I don’t get into that cause I’ll be called a conspiracy theorist 😂😂 It's no more conspiracy theory than the "Jon Moss is corrupt" argument 😂😂
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Post by kirkheatonterrier on Aug 1, 2024 16:19:20 GMT 1
Just on the Helik thing no idea if he’s going or not (although suspect he will) but read a couple saying it would be unforgivable to sell him?? What on earth?? That’s what happens when you get relegated. You are forced to sell your best players. Every club does it so why would we be so special?? Leeds have sold quite a few of their main men and didn’t even get relegated just didn’t get promoted. We have plucked some of the best players from L1 rivals. Football is a food chain. Deal with it.
When relegation was confirmed we all expected Helik would be first to go. I saw nobody then saying it would be a disgrace or unforgivable. What’s changed? Although I respect your opinion, as often at times I agree with a lot of what you say. It's statements like this that go totally against the message that those who run the club have mentioned though. "We are position where we DO NOT need to sell our best players" "Our number 1 target is promotion" "We will cut/part ways with the players that caused the problems" < or to that extent. Selling our best/better players without adequate replacements for me would be neglect. As would selling our better players, not replacing, leaving us unbalanced and not truly going for promotion that was sold to us. Which would create a more toxic environment than this club has received in recent years, and in my eyes completely undo all the hard work that those behind the scenes have done to not only improve the club, but also start to turn the attitude of those who maybe had lost faith in the ownership, and previous regimes. If we sell Helik, it'll be a bummer yes. Because, as a player I rate him, as a player I'd want to build a team around to win the league. So to part ways with arguably our best asset and not replace would be in my view catastrophic. For me it would need to be an astronomical offer that would be ridiculous for us to turn down closer to the 8 figure mark for us to justify parting ways with him. I truly believe he's worth that much to us as a team and as a club. Selling your best players/forced to sell isn't always what happens when you get relegated, especially when you want to bounce right back up. Dealing with it, is such a defensive and stubborn way to put it. What a fanbase won't and shouldn't deal with is a message that is consistently delivered as we're going to go for promotion any means necessary, we're going to invest, and were going to do this and that. And not have those messages/promises delivered. It's called accountability.
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Post by blanquiazules on Aug 1, 2024 16:25:31 GMT 1
Would disagree we NEED players in by the first game . It’s natural that we’ll continue to trade until deadline day and agree we need a few in by then too … however that’ll likely see some go too . If we start the Peterborough game along the lines of the below I think that’s an extremely strong squad . Nichols Sorensen Pearson Helik Spencer Miller Kane Hogg Kasumu Healey Koroma Bench of Maxwell Turton Lees Ruffels Headley Evans Iorpenda Bojan Ward Realised I’ve missed Wiles out of this too and apparently only 7 subs in league one . We’ve a fucking decent squad . Wish people would stop saying we need 5 or 6 in in the next 7 days We desperately need at least one striker. Everyone knows that (including the club as we tried to sign May). Until that happens we ought to be concerned. Any other signings would be replacements for leavers imo (ie if any of Nicholls, Helik, Spencer or Kasumu go we would have to bring someone in). Otherwise we'll likely be going with what we have.
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Aug 1, 2024 16:32:50 GMT 1
I could stomach losing Helik to Luton if we got Taylor and 2 more CB in.
And please let one of them not look like they're wading through treacle when running towards their own goal.
As much as I like Helik and his goals are massive for us, he has been part of 2 relegated defences now.
Obviously not all the blame sits on his shoulders etc (that goes without saying) but he's not irreplaceable in my eyes.
No I don't have any idea who I'd replace him with so it's a fairly useless statement.
Id love him to stay, but if it was the only chance to get Taylor...
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Post by detox on Aug 1, 2024 16:37:49 GMT 1
Anyone heard anything about the 'consortium' KN was hoping to assemble which would jointly own/invest in the club ? At the moment KN is having to fund everything from stadium repairs, staffing and developments and players...plus all the juggling around with stadium ownership and the ensuing development subsequent to that... meanwhile he's also running Sacramento... That's a lot on his plate so I'm surprised we've heard naught of a consortium..(unless no one is interested of course).. Not heard anything of him wanting to get a consortium together. Every time he has spoken about ownership, funding etc been quite clear it’s him and happy to do it himself www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11914265/Huddersfield-Town-announce-American-businessman-Kevin-M-Nagle-prospective-new-owner.html
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