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Post by King Neil on Jun 10, 2024 13:15:15 GMT 1
Boothy spoke highly of Edwards at a recent 'event' I don't understand what Edwards has done wrong, to be honest. Even Warnock and Jepson said he was a decent bloke. Some Town fans can't even tell you the difference between Edwards and Cartwright, and that just about sums it up. Edwards is Cartwright,s boss He,s been overseeing this shitshow so has to take blame aswell...despite Cartwright taking no blame for anything I have a boss...and my boss has a boss...they were mates before they even joined town Again on here it's praise and defend failure If they do anything good only then I'll give them praise and respect
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 10, 2024 13:21:14 GMT 1
I don't understand what Edwards has done wrong, to be honest. Even Warnock and Jepson said he was a decent bloke. Some Town fans can't even tell you the difference between Edwards and Cartwright, and that just about sums it up. Edwards is Cartwright,s boss He,s been overseeing this shitshow so has to take blame aswell...despite Cartwright taking no blame for anything I have a boss...and my boss has a boss...they were mates before they even joined town Again on here it's praise and defend failure If they do anything good only then I'll give them praise and respect So by that logic, Nagle is to blame for the whole lot?
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Post by King Neil on Jun 10, 2024 13:24:42 GMT 1
Edwards is Cartwright,s boss He,s been overseeing this shitshow so has to take blame aswell...despite Cartwright taking no blame for anything I have a boss...and my boss has a boss...they were mates before they even joined town Again on here it's praise and defend failure If they do anything good only then I'll give them praise and respect So by that logic, Nagle is to blame for the whole lot? Absolutely Kevin m nagle...owner Then jake Edwards..chief executive and then mark Cartwright..director of football League one football because of these 3 people
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jun 10, 2024 13:27:53 GMT 1
So by that logic, Nagle is to blame for the whole lot? Absolutely Kevin m nagle...owner Then jake Edwards..chief executive and then mark Cartwright..director of football League one football because of these 3 people Your username suggests there’s somebody you won’t blame. Along with the other managers and the players.
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 10, 2024 13:30:34 GMT 1
So by that logic, Nagle is to blame for the whole lot? Absolutely Kevin m nagle...owner Then jake Edwards..chief executive and then mark Cartwright..director of football League one football because of these 3 people Nothing to do with the players?
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jun 10, 2024 13:32:47 GMT 1
So by that logic, Nagle is to blame for the whole lot? Absolutely Kevin m nagle...owner Then jake Edwards..chief executive and then mark Cartwright..director of football League one football because of these 3 people But only Cartwright is "bellend", "complete narcissist c#nt"?
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 10, 2024 13:34:27 GMT 1
Surely alarm bells should have been ringing when it said Ben Jackson for £500,000? I’ve seen madder transfer fees. The market is bonkers at the moment. I would be demanding a big sell-on were we to sell him as there is a player there, but hasn’t shown it enough in recent months to justify a reasonable price tag were we to receive offers. But who knows in this market? It just takes one click to see the rubbish spouted by that account. But that’s just beyond some people. They just do not think and parrot it. Then get all disappointed when it doesn’t happen! Drives me absolutely mad. I'm yet to see this, I'm afraid. If someone was offering £50,000 I'd take it, never mind £500,000.
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Post by King Neil on Jun 10, 2024 13:36:28 GMT 1
Absolutely Kevin m nagle...owner Then jake Edwards..chief executive and then mark Cartwright..director of football League one football because of these 3 people Nothing to do with the players? The players would have been fine with the right manager We didn't sink like a stone we just drew too many games with dull tactics The players were better than this..kev himself said the same thing
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 10, 2024 13:37:48 GMT 1
Nothing to do with the players? The players would have been fine with the right manager We didn't sink like a stone we just drew too many games with dull tactics The players were better than this..kev himself said the same thing Kev was talking shite, the players aren't better than this. The players are rubbish. One manager out of five got a tune out of them. That tells it's own story.
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Post by King Neil on Jun 10, 2024 13:40:19 GMT 1
The players would have been fine with the right manager We didn't sink like a stone we just drew too many games with dull tactics The players were better than this..kev himself said the same thing Kev was talking shite, the players aren't better than this. The players are rubbish. One manager out of five got a tune out of them. That tells it's own story. Personally I think we were better than relegation by about 2/3 league positions But I'm happy with duff...I just hope he gets the freedom to do his job to the best of his abilities
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Post by uw2ba on Jun 10, 2024 13:40:36 GMT 1
Can't wait for us to sign some players so people will start looking forward to this season rather than having the same conversations about the past.
Regardless of what has happened and who's at fault etc the reality is we are in league one, Michael Duff is our manager, Mark Cartwright is our director of football. Not a great first full year under our new tenure however let's all get behind the club this season and hopefully have a good season. We have a proven manager, an owner willing to back and cheap season tickets. It's time to all unite again! UTT
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Post by keefer on Jun 10, 2024 13:43:58 GMT 1
I don't understand what Edwards has done wrong, to be honest. Even Warnock and Jepson said he was a decent bloke. Some Town fans can't even tell you the difference between Edwards and Cartwright, and that just about sums it up. Edwards is Cartwright,s boss He,s been overseeing this shitshow so has to take blame aswell...despite Cartwright taking no blame for anything I have a boss...and my boss has a boss...they were mates before they even joined town Again on here it's praise and defend failure If they do anything good only then I'll give them praise and respect How do you fancy opening a new thread, maybe called "We all hate Edwards and Cartwright" and then people who want to know about transfer rumours (like me) can do that and not wade through pages of bilge and bile repeated ad naseum. Just a polite suggestion
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Post by Jimuano on Jun 10, 2024 13:44:02 GMT 1
I think last season was a perfect shitstorm. New senior management chucked into the deep end and trying to find their feet on a sinking ship.
The decisions they made were (mostly) greeted with positivity and optimism by us fans. - Who could have known Moore would have been so dreadful, given his record prior to joining us? - Pretty much all signings made were met with hope and excitement by the fans. Who could have known they would prove so ineffective? - Who could have known Breitenreiter would only have a further negative effect, and not the extremely positive one his career record shows he should have had? - It's been well aired that the players attitudes and behaviour have been questioned, but almost exclusively the players mentioned are those that have been HTFC players pre the Nagle takeover. - Cartwright/Edwards have now had their 'worst honeymoon in the world'/ baptism of fire period, and have been given the time and owner's backing to start something from almost square one, and I think it's fair to give them a chance and judge them on what happens from this off-season onwards, and not last season.
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Post by King Neil on Jun 10, 2024 13:47:21 GMT 1
Edwards is Cartwright,s boss He,s been overseeing this shitshow so has to take blame aswell...despite Cartwright taking no blame for anything I have a boss...and my boss has a boss...they were mates before they even joined town Again on here it's praise and defend failure If they do anything good only then I'll give them praise and respect How do you fancy opening a new thread, maybe called "We all hate Edwards and Cartwright" and then people who want to know about transfer rumours (like me) can do that and not wade through pages of bilge and bile repeated ad naseum. Just a polite suggestion It's linked because Cartwright is going to be the one picking the players I'll be the first to congratulate him when he does something good It's fair criticism
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 10, 2024 14:36:07 GMT 1
I think last season was a perfect shitstorm. New senior management chucked into the deep end and trying to find their feet on a sinking ship. The decisions they made were (mostly) greeted with positivity and optimism by us fans. - Who could have known Moore would have been so dreadful, given his record prior to joining us? - Pretty much all signings made were met with hope and excitement by the fans. Who could have known they would prove so ineffective? - Who could have known Breitenreiter would only have a further negative effect, and not the extremely positive one his career record shows he should have had? - It's been well aired that the players attitudes and behaviour have been questioned, but almost exclusively the players mentioned are those that have been HTFC players pre the Nagle takeover. - Cartwright/Edwards have now had their 'worst honeymoon in the world'/ baptism of fire period, and have been given the time and owner's backing to start something from almost square one, and I think it's fair to give them a chance and judge them on what happens from this off-season onwards, and not last season. It would have been far less bleeding annoying had we stuck with one manager or at most 2 for starters. Add in all the talk from the club which turned out to be bollocks, because too many of the players were less than interested in the season itself, rendering the management impotent until the last manager got his dig in early doors, before fucking off. Much talk since but up to today just mild rumours about prices for some of the playing staff. To 'start from scratch' means getting back to 'scratch' and Im not convinced we can offload some of last seasons 'success' stories🙄 I await the clubs 'moves' with great interest. Talk no longer interests me.
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Post by dezzly on Jun 10, 2024 14:39:12 GMT 1
How do you fancy opening a new thread, maybe called "We all hate Edwards and Cartwright" and then people who want to know about transfer rumours (like me) can do that and not wade through pages of bilge and bile repeated ad naseum. Just a polite suggestion It's linked because Cartwright is going to be the one picking the players I'll be the first to congratulate him when he does something good It's fair criticism Cartwright isn’t the one picking the players.There is a recruitment team.head of recruitment and staff under him.Cartwright basically oversees it and may have input and probably gets the deals signed off.Cartwright does however or should have the greatest say on picking the manager and also picking the recruitment team so I’m terms of recruitment it’s his responsibility whether he is “picking the players” or not. Just judge him/them on the window. Wait and see what happens.hardly any transfers other than Rotherham from what iv seen and they will have been weeks ahead of everyone especially on the free transfer front because it was near enough nailed on they were going down from January/February onwards.
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Post by bluestripe on Jun 10, 2024 14:39:19 GMT 1
I don't understand what Edwards has done wrong, to be honest. Even Warnock and Jepson said he was a decent bloke. Some Town fans can't even tell you the difference between Edwards and Cartwright, and that just about sums it up. The vast majority of the whinging comes from idiots who have no idea what either of them do and think that a football club should have about 5 members of staff - Manager, Assistant, Owner, Physio and Scout. No six. You got to have a tea lady. 🤪
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Post by King Neil on Jun 10, 2024 14:40:05 GMT 1
Absolutely Kevin m nagle...owner Then jake Edwards..chief executive and then mark Cartwright..director of football League one football because of these 3 people Your username suggests there’s somebody you won’t blame. Along with the other managers and the players. Naturally The one bloke who DID accomplish something But ooh we don't want that..how dare you🤣
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Post by Terriersmad on Jun 10, 2024 15:03:13 GMT 1
I’ve seen madder transfer fees. The market is bonkers at the moment. I would be demanding a big sell-on were we to sell him as there is a player there, but hasn’t shown it enough in recent months to justify a reasonable price tag were we to receive offers. But who knows in this market? It just takes one click to see the rubbish spouted by that account. But that’s just beyond some people. They just do not think and parrot it. Then get all disappointed when it doesn’t happen! Drives me absolutely mad. I'm yet to see this, I'm afraid. If someone was offering £50,000 I'd take it, never mind £500,000. Hence the sell-on idea! I’d also accept a nominal fee on performances last season, but only if we had a good, chunky 30%+ sell-on fee to protect us were he to come very good.
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Post by royrace on Jun 10, 2024 15:19:13 GMT 1
I think last season was a perfect shitstorm. New senior management chucked into the deep end and trying to find their feet on a sinking ship. The decisions they made were (mostly) greeted with positivity and optimism by us fans. - Who could have known Moore would have been so dreadful, given his record prior to joining us? - Pretty much all signings made were met with hope and excitement by the fans. Who could have known they would prove so ineffective? - Who could have known Breitenreiter would only have a further negative effect, and not the extremely positive one his career record shows he should have had? - It's been well aired that the players attitudes and behaviour have been questioned, but almost exclusively the players mentioned are those that have been HTFC players pre the Nagle takeover. - Cartwright/Edwards have now had their 'worst honeymoon in the world'/ baptism of fire period, and have been given the time and owner's backing to start something from almost square one, and I think it's fair to give them a chance and judge them on what happens from this off-season onwards, and not last season. I disagree. I knew there was a very good chance of relegation as soon as Warnock was sacked, when confirmed it was Moore I was even more worried. Summer transfers were a disgrace, Warnock was complaining his hands were tied and clearly wasn't happy about the leeway for signings, alarm bells. After the Moore fiasco, when they waited far too long, it needed experienced, they went for AB, very risky. The January signings were key, all we're unsuitable for various reasons and they spent £4M. It was an entirely predictable monumental fk up from start to finish. I'm staggered there are so many apologists on DATM. They fked up, big time, all three of them. MC the most culpable imo for obvious reasons. They destroyed 12 years of progress in one season and chucked away championship status. LOTS of making up to do.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Jun 10, 2024 15:25:50 GMT 1
So by that logic, Nagle is to blame for the whole lot? Absolutely Kevin m nagle...owner Then jake Edwards..chief executive and then mark Cartwright..director of football League one football because of these 3 people Did I miss their 1st team appearances? I'd have the vast majority of the blame on the 20+ players we have contracted to our 1st team squad for the relegation. Along with the shitshow performances from managers and coaching staff.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jun 10, 2024 15:25:59 GMT 1
I'm no apologist. I'm just pragmatic about it. We are where we are. There is a cautious feeling of a line being drawn, a new start and some reasons for optimism. All of the stuff around the infrastructure of the club off the pitch seems to be heading in the right direction, and leads me to think that a similar approach will be taken on the pitch. So I'm happy to wait and see. We've nearly 3 months til the window closes, (it's not technically open yet!) and I'm certain the squad will have a very different look and feel this season.
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Post by King Neil on Jun 10, 2024 15:32:14 GMT 1
Absolutely Kevin m nagle...owner Then jake Edwards..chief executive and then mark Cartwright..director of football League one football because of these 3 people Did I miss their 1st team appearances? I'd have the vast majority of the blame on the 20+ players we have contracted to our 1st team squad for the relegation. Along with the shitshow performances from managers and coaching staff. Yeah yeah The same players that won 7 out of the last 15 2 months earlier Championship playoff final 2 years ago but we've been on the slide for years Zzzzzzz
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Post by mosher on Jun 10, 2024 15:33:02 GMT 1
I think last season was a perfect shitstorm. New senior management chucked into the deep end and trying to find their feet on a sinking ship. The decisions they made were (mostly) greeted with positivity and optimism by us fans. - Who could have known Moore would have been so dreadful, given his record prior to joining us? - Pretty much all signings made were met with hope and excitement by the fans. Who could have known they would prove so ineffective? - Who could have known Breitenreiter would only have a further negative effect, and not the extremely positive one his career record shows he should have had? - It's been well aired that the players attitudes and behaviour have been questioned, but almost exclusively the players mentioned are those that have been HTFC players pre the Nagle takeover. - Cartwright/Edwards have now had their 'worst honeymoon in the world'/ baptism of fire period, and have been given the time and owner's backing to start something from almost square one, and I think it's fair to give them a chance and judge them on what happens from this off-season onwards, and not last season. I disagree. I knew there was a very good chance of relegation as soon as Warnock was sacked, when confirmed it was Moore I was even more worried. Summer transfers were a disgrace, Warnock was complaining his hands were tied and clearly wasn't happy about the leeway for signings, alarm bells. After the Moore fiasco, when they waited far too long, it needed experienced, they went for AB, very risky. The January signings were key, all we're unsuitable for various reasons and they spent £4M. It was an entirely predictable monumental fk up from start to finish. I'm staggered there are so many apologists on DATM. They fked up, big time, all three of them. MC the most culpable imo for obvious reasons. They destroyed 12 years of progress in one season and chucked away championship status. LOTS of making up to do. I think some of the blame has to be further afield. Not ALL the fuckups have been this season, there's been plenty that have led us to this relegation. I'm not excusing MC's "performance" by any means but it's not just the current three incumbents that have caused this slide, we were already sliding to the inevitable trapdoor and I'm not convinced (going by early season performances) that King Neil would have kept us up either. Or Worthy for that matter. The players seem to be escaping a lot of your ire but they're the ones that wear the shirt and can't pass to team-mates, can't block shots, can't hit the net, can't run for 90 minutes. Jeez, even in the performances that are lauded (Wendies at home for one) the players only performed for half the match, if that.
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Post by runner76 on Jun 10, 2024 15:35:28 GMT 1
I think last season was a perfect shitstorm. New senior management chucked into the deep end and trying to find their feet on a sinking ship. The decisions they made were (mostly) greeted with positivity and optimism by us fans. - Who could have known Moore would have been so dreadful, given his record prior to joining us? - Pretty much all signings made were met with hope and excitement by the fans. Who could have known they would prove so ineffective? - Who could have known Breitenreiter would only have a further negative effect, and not the extremely positive one his career record shows he should have had? - It's been well aired that the players attitudes and behaviour have been questioned, but almost exclusively the players mentioned are those that have been HTFC players pre the Nagle takeover. - Cartwright/Edwards have now had their 'worst honeymoon in the world'/ baptism of fire period, and have been given the time and owner's backing to start something from almost square one, and I think it's fair to give them a chance and judge them on what happens from this off-season onwards, and not last season. I disagree. I knew there was a very good chance of relegation as soon as Warnock was sacked, when confirmed it was Moore I was even more worried. Summer transfers were a disgrace, Warnock was complaining his hands were tied and clearly wasn't happy about the leeway for signings, alarm bells. After the Moore fiasco, when they waited far too long, it needed experienced, they went for AB, very risky. The January signings were key, all we're unsuitable for various reasons and they spent £4M. It was an entirely predictable monumental fk up from start to finish. I'm staggered there are so many apologists on DATM. They fked up, big time, all three of them. MC the most culpable imo for obvious reasons. They destroyed 12 years of progress in one season and chucked away championship status. LOTS of making up to do. 12 years of progress?….. 2012/13 - 19th 13/14 - 17th 14/15 - 16th 15/16 - 19th 16 / 17 - 5th - promoted to Premier league 17/18 - 16th 18/19 - 20th - relegated 19-20 - 19th 20/21 - 20th 21/22 - 3rd 22/23 - 18th 23/24 - 23rd relegated 12 years of struggling with a dream PL holiday thrown in. Hardly categorise as 12 years of progress…..
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Post by mosher on Jun 10, 2024 15:35:36 GMT 1
Did I miss their 1st team appearances? I'd have the vast majority of the blame on the 20+ players we have contracted to our 1st team squad for the relegation. Along with the shitshow performances from managers and coaching staff. Yeah yeah The same players that won 7 out of the last 15 2 months earlier Championship playoff final 2 years ago but we've been on the slide for years Zzzzzzz That play off appearance was an anomaly IMO that came about because Carlos happened upon a (dull, turgid) system that picked us up points. It was a blip in the shitshow that has been Town since the 2nd Prem season. It's much easier to perform above your ability over 15 games than it is over an entire season. All IMO obviously.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 10, 2024 15:37:10 GMT 1
Did I miss their 1st team appearances? I'd have the vast majority of the blame on the 20+ players we have contracted to our 1st team squad for the relegation. Along with the shitshow performances from managers and coaching staff. Yeah yeah The same players that won 7 out of the last 15 2 months earlier Championship playoff final 2 years ago but we've been on the slide for years Zzzzzzz Neil signed Danny Ward to a 2 year contract… whether you like it or not everyone including your hero has contributed to the shit show… enough fucking said.
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Post by Sio on Jun 10, 2024 15:38:42 GMT 1
I think last season was a perfect shitstorm. New senior management chucked into the deep end and trying to find their feet on a sinking ship. The decisions they made were (mostly) greeted with positivity and optimism by us fans. - Who could have known Moore would have been so dreadful, given his record prior to joining us? - Pretty much all signings made were met with hope and excitement by the fans. Who could have known they would prove so ineffective? - Who could have known Breitenreiter would only have a further negative effect, and not the extremely positive one his career record shows he should have had? - It's been well aired that the players attitudes and behaviour have been questioned, but almost exclusively the players mentioned are those that have been HTFC players pre the Nagle takeover. - Cartwright/Edwards have now had their 'worst honeymoon in the world'/ baptism of fire period, and have been given the time and owner's backing to start something from almost square one, and I think it's fair to give them a chance and judge them on what happens from this off-season onwards, and not last season. I disagree. I knew there was a very good chance of relegation as soon as Warnock was sacked, when confirmed it was Moore I was even more worried. Summer transfers were a disgrace, Warnock was complaining his hands were tied and clearly wasn't happy about the leeway for signings, alarm bells. After the Moore fiasco, when they waited far too long, it needed experienced, they went for AB, very risky. The January signings were key, all we're unsuitable for various reasons and they spent £4M. It was an entirely predictable monumental fk up from start to finish. I'm staggered there are so many apologists on DATM. They fked up, big time, all three of them. MC the most culpable imo for obvious reasons. They destroyed 12 years of progress in one season and chucked away championship status. LOTS of making up to do. Agree with everything except this. We haven't really 'progressed' as a club at all, and that includes a promotion and a near-promotion. The writing has been on the wall for years - we've just consistently papered over the cracks or fumbled into the occasional good season to avoid the drop.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Jun 10, 2024 15:48:44 GMT 1
Did I miss their 1st team appearances? I'd have the vast majority of the blame on the 20+ players we have contracted to our 1st team squad for the relegation. Along with the shitshow performances from managers and coaching staff. Yeah yeah The same players that won 7 out of the last 15 2 months earlier Championship playoff final 2 years ago but we've been on the slide for years Zzzzzzz 2 swans don't make a summer. League Positions last 10+ years: 12/13: 19th 13/14: 17th 14/15: 16th 15/16: 19th (Season Wagner came in) 16/17: 5th (Promoted via Play-Offs) 17/18: (Prem) 16th 18/19: (Prem) 20th (last - Relegated) 19/20: 18th 20/21: 20th 21/22: 3rd (Play off final loss) 22/23: 18th 23/24: 23rd (Relegated) Year over year, for the most part perrenial fucking strugglers. Yet it's the current boardroom thats to blame. (they're to blame for some issues yes, don't get me wrong. (Re-hiring Warnock/Jeppo for the season, and then parting ways early, hiring DM and keeping him too long. RE: AB most were excited about it, but didn't work out) But solely to blame? Absolutely not). We've bit off more than we could chew for years now. Escaped relegation how many years? We've been piss poor for most of the last decade now. To try make out this squad or team is good is borderline insanity.
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Post by King Neil on Jun 10, 2024 15:50:31 GMT 1
A lot of Gaslighting from above
We have even heard from above that actually we are in a better position now than this time last year
You couldn't make it up...all drivel from above
Now hands up who prefers league one football to the Championship
Trust and respect has to be earned..and judging by their actions so far they are fucking clueless
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