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Post by benhomly on Apr 28, 2024 11:23:32 GMT 1
It'd be a challenge for him, something to get his teeth into It's one thing doing it with Liverpool and a world cup winner in midfield but it's another thing doing it with Town and Ben Wiles in midfield Maybe it's only me that's noticed he's got far too many teeth for his mouth  |
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Post by maxpower on Apr 28, 2024 11:25:02 GMT 1
Mike Bassett would be good for the hairdryer in the changing room
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Post by cyberman on Apr 28, 2024 11:37:18 GMT 1
Needs to be a celebrity. Up against Wrexahm and Hollywood and need to get decent deal with TV rights, needs to be someone with bit of pizazz Dave Bassett ? - ex England manager ? |
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Post by Morning Norwood on Apr 28, 2024 11:49:23 GMT 1
AB has a worse PPG record than Moore, but some folk want him to stay. Moore was never the answer, but this guy is worse with the same players. Look at our record since the Leeds game to see why he’s completely useless.
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 28, 2024 12:04:04 GMT 1
Hopefully AB stays and is given a full preseason and backed to actually shape a team he wants, if not an up and coming manager like Mike Williamson at MK dons last thing we need for is your same old same old names that get linked at league 1.
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Post by detox on Apr 28, 2024 12:13:13 GMT 1
AB has a worse PPG record than Moore, but some folk want him to stay. Moore was never the answer, but this guy is worse with the same players. Look at our record since the Leeds game to see why he’s completely useless. After his first game following Worthington we won just one game out of 11..never scored more than one goal in a game...conceded 3 or more goals 4 times...and gained just 8 points, taking us from 19th to 23rd.
Yesterdays team had 7 players that started in the victory over Sheffield Utd under Warnock last season..with Headley, REG, Lees and Hogg replaced by Spencer, Matos, Turton and Healey..
It's absolutely clear he doesn't have what it takes and most certainly won't when we play in League One next season.
That's not to say with a better squad he wouldn't have done better, but it's horses for courses now so I think we need an experienced coach who knows how to get teams out of league one, asap..
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 28, 2024 12:13:22 GMT 1
I do not want a new manager. AB knows exactly who the rotten apples are and IS the person to get rid. Another manager starts with a clean slate and I can just see the same shit happening again next season. Let AB shape the squad.
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Post by prepare on Apr 28, 2024 12:21:30 GMT 1
Before we start hiring new managers it might be a good idea to determine what needs to change across the club. Since the appointment of Carlos, which for all his failings was an attempt to create an identity and culture by Phil Hodgkinson, our approach has been reactionary and hopeful. I don't think we can take that approach again ie "he should be good at League One level". We need a strategy, identity and plan. You could reasonably challenge, "isn't that what Cartwright should be doing". As for AB I am not sure what I make of his tenure. I don't know if he's any good but I also think he pretty much gave up on this dressing room a few weeks ago. Is his calling out of the culture an excuse or him telling it as it is? Perhaps a bit of both. Whatever those in charge need to reflect (they should be continually doing this anyway), be entirely honest about where we are, agree a strategy and a plan and recruit to it. If that's with AB they, and he, need to be committed to that and embed a new mindset across the dressing room. It's nowhere near as simple as looking at managers and thinking "they'll be OK in League One". his interview with Ogden on radio Leeds was revealing!! Lot will depend on how much the club needs to change whether he stays are goes |
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Post by scutcher on Apr 28, 2024 12:33:06 GMT 1
Instead of telling Oggy he was unhappy about players leaving early he should have stopped them leaving and not talked about it! What happened to them being kept behind after these disastrous performances for a good long bollocking in the changing room!
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Post by lifer49 on Apr 28, 2024 12:37:46 GMT 1
I agree with big ern.
Our last three successful managers have been Corboran, Wagner and Clarke. They were given the time to form their own teams. All of the other short term appointments have been a failure, although it seems we missed a chance by letting Mark Robins go. Now is the time to stick with AB, if he will agree to stay.
Unfortunately a lot think that success should come instantly.
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Post by spudson on Apr 28, 2024 12:59:13 GMT 1
Well if I were Nagle I would spend the BIGGEST amount of the budget on a new (to us) proven big name manager. For a couple of reasons :-
1/ Let’s face it we aren’t a glamorous club at the moment that can attract the best players needed - And it needs a big clear out. ! With a big turnover the new manager needs to hold and command a whole new dressing room ! , and
2/ Hiring Such a manager will make attracting those new players MUCH easier and those agreeing to come (and their agents) would probably do so for a lot less money than they would otherwise demand if we had a no name gamble of a manager…
There maybe cost savings to the club in the long run ….
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Post by shawsie on Apr 28, 2024 13:15:11 GMT 1
I do not want a new manager. AB knows exactly who the rotten apples are and IS the person to get rid. Another manager starts with a clean slate and I can just see the same shit happening again next season. Let AB shape the squad. Im no huge fan of AB ......yet. But if youve moved heaven and earth to get him you have to back him. Now is that time.....and the sooner the better. The place needs a lift asap..... a new mgr needed isnt that for me but i get why folks think it is. |
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Post by harris on Apr 28, 2024 13:17:00 GMT 1
Well if I were Nagle I would spend the BIGGEST amount of the budget on a new (to us) proven big name manager. For a couple of reasons :- 1/ Let’s face it we aren’t a glamorous club at the moment that can attract the best players needed - And it needs a big clear out. ! With a big turnover the new manager needs to hold and command a whole new dressing room ! , and 2/ Hiring Such a manager will make attracting those new players MUCH easier and those agreeing to come (and their agents) would probably do so for a lot less money than they would otherwise demand if we had a no name gamble of a manager… There maybe cost savings to the club in the long run …. The person you’re referring to is Andre Breitenreiter. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 28, 2024 13:18:29 GMT 1
If ab does not stay or want to for that matter. We could do far worse, than to go after challinor at stockport. I know they are the champs of league 2, so why move ? i understand that, but if nagle put a project to him and a budget etc and showed real ambition i think he would be temtped.
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Post by Morning Norwood on Apr 28, 2024 13:22:17 GMT 1
Well if I were Nagle I would spend the BIGGEST amount of the budget on a new (to us) proven big name manager. For a couple of reasons :- 1/ Let’s face it we aren’t a glamorous club at the moment that can attract the best players needed - And it needs a big clear out. ! With a big turnover the new manager needs to hold and command a whole new dressing room ! , and 2/ Hiring Such a manager will make attracting those new players MUCH easier and those agreeing to come (and their agents) would probably do so for a lot less money than they would otherwise demand if we had a no name gamble of a manager… There maybe cost savings to the club in the long run …. The person you’re referring to is Andre Breitenreiter. What he done to be the person you recommend? His record since Leeds game really is fantastic I suppose and all those 4-0 second half drubbings must really enamour him to some of the fanbase. Or is it his worse PPG record than Moore with the same players? Tell me what I’m missing here please, as there is plenty fancy foreign names managers who can do a better job. I mean, it’s not like wendies or QPR found one is it. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 28, 2024 13:23:24 GMT 1
It'd be a challenge for him, something to get his teeth into It's one thing doing it with Liverpool and a world cup winner in midfield but it's another thing doing it with Town and Ben Wiles in midfield Our big marquee signing going into a season in the Championship probably isn't going to be good enough in League One. If anything encapsulated the absolute state of our recruitment! |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 28, 2024 13:27:47 GMT 1
I hope AB stays. However, the situation within the club reminds me of when hired Wagner’s replacement and he was hamstrung with poor discipline and players desperate to leave.
Sometimes, circumstances govern the best option. Is AB a big enough bastard to really stamp authority on the reprobates on our wage bill?
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Post by royrace on Apr 28, 2024 13:27:49 GMT 1
Club needs a new DoF sharpish, unless Kevin is satisfied with the judgement and football decisions from this season.
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 28, 2024 13:28:30 GMT 1
It's one thing doing it with Liverpool and a world cup winner in midfield but it's another thing doing it with Town and Ben Wiles in midfield Our big marquee signing going into a season in the Championship probably isn't going to be good enough in League One. If anything encapsulated the absolute state of our recruitment! Maybe we just bring in Liverpool's recruitment team as well. Or at least all of them that weren't involved in signing Darwin Nunez. |
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Post by harris on Apr 28, 2024 13:29:16 GMT 1
The person you’re referring to is Andre Breitenreiter. What he done to be the person you recommend? His record since Leeds game really is fantastic I suppose and all those 4-0 second half drubbings must really enamour him to some of the fanbase. Or is it his worse PPG record than Moore with the same players? Tell me what I’m missing here please, as there is plenty fancy foreign names managers who can do a better job. I mean, it’s not like wendies or QPR found one is it. He doesn’t achieve what he has without being a good manager. There is no way we’d get anyone with anywhere near his pedigree if we get rid, so the person who referred to getting a ‘big’ name in must be thinking of Steve fucking Evans. He’s not pulled up any trees, true, but he can only do so much when professional footballers can’t be arsed on and off the pitch. Culture over the course of a few seasons has caused this issue, not Andre. AB knows what needs to be done now and we have the chance to reset, give him a squad to work with and generally get some stability back to the club. But fuck it, let’s be impatient and sack another manager and do the same thing AGAIN. |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 28, 2024 13:30:46 GMT 1
We do realise we are now in Division 3? No one most of us have ever heard of wants to manage in that league.
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Post by terrierinyork on Apr 28, 2024 13:31:19 GMT 1
Whatever happens manager wise I just hope we whoever is the manager over the transfer window is given bit of time with the players they sign.
After the last 4 transfer windows we have sacked the manager within a month of the window closing.
Schofield
Fotheringham
Warnock
Moore
All were given a transfer window and then quickly replaced so the new manager didn't have players for the system they wanted to try and play. Hence so many times we've had players out of position or round pegs in square holes.
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Post by harris on Apr 28, 2024 13:32:17 GMT 1
What he done to be the person you recommend? His record since Leeds game really is fantastic I suppose and all those 4-0 second half drubbings must really enamour him to some of the fanbase. Or is it his worse PPG record than Moore with the same players? Tell me what I’m missing here please, as there is plenty fancy foreign names managers who can do a better job. I mean, it’s not like wendies or QPR found one is it. He doesn’t achieve what he has without being a good manager. There is no way we’d get anyone with anywhere near his pedigree if we get rid, so the person who referred to getting a ‘big’ name in must be thinking of Steve fucking Evans. He’s not pulled up any trees, true, but he can only do so much when professional footballers can’t be arsed on and off the pitch. Culture over the course of a few seasons has caused this issue, not Andre. AB knows what needs to be done now and we have the chance to reset, give him a squad to work with and generally get some stability back to the club. But fuck it, let’s be impatient and sack another manager and do the same thing AGAIN. Also just to add, if Burgzorg passed at Stoke, if Burgzorg passed against Swansea, if Rebecca Welch doesn’t give that Bristol City pen - even if just one of those things went our way, we probably stay up. There’s only so much he can do in his position. |
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Post by griffa on Apr 28, 2024 13:40:24 GMT 1
AB has a worse PPG record than Moore, but some folk want him to stay. Moore was never the answer, but this guy is worse with the same players. Look at our record since the Leeds game to see why he’s completely useless. Needs to go & soon, planning for next season's promotion push, should start when AB leaves the club, after the game at Ipswich - UTT |
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Post by ruggedivy on Apr 28, 2024 13:42:13 GMT 1
Whoever the new manager is, it needs to be sorted asap.
We should be actively reviewing that position and the squad now.
We know what league we are going to be in and today should be the first day of fast track planning to be prepared and ready.
Some pretty damning stats for AB's tenure. It's difficult to tell if it's him
Or the players who we should hold accountable.
If I'm honest, I'd rather have someone who knows what it takes to get back out of the league at the first attempt
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 28, 2024 13:43:02 GMT 1
Says a lot about our club, that this sort of thread has been quite commonplace on here in recent seasons…
Doesn’t necessarily mean this is the problem, just that we’ve been a club in transition for far longer than any normal transition period should last.
Get rid of AB and the circus will continue…
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Post by Morning Norwood on Apr 28, 2024 13:55:27 GMT 1
He doesn’t achieve what he has without being a good manager. There is no way we’d get anyone with anywhere near his pedigree if we get rid, so the person who referred to getting a ‘big’ name in must be thinking of Steve fucking Evans. He’s not pulled up any trees, true, but he can only do so much when professional footballers can’t be arsed on and off the pitch. Culture over the course of a few seasons has caused this issue, not Andre. AB knows what needs to be done now and we have the chance to reset, give him a squad to work with and generally get some stability back to the club. But fuck it, let’s be impatient and sack another manager and do the same thing AGAIN. Also just to add, if Burgzorg passed at Stoke, if Burgzorg passed against Swansea, if Rebecca Welch doesn’t give that Bristol City pen - even if just one of those things went our way, we probably stay up. There’s only so much he can do in his position. Also add to that West Brom pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half, Preston pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half, Swansea pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half. Warnock and bloody Darren Moore got more out of same players. He won’t need sacking, he should walk with his dismal record |
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Post by harris on Apr 28, 2024 13:57:23 GMT 1
Says a lot about our club, that this sort of thread has been quite commonplace on here in recent seasons… Doesn’t necessarily mean this is the problem, just that we’ve been a club in transition for far longer than any normal transition period should last. Get rid of AB and the circus will continue… Exactly. Get rid of AB, lose the first couple of games next season and the same people will be calling for the next guys head. And the next after that. We need to give him some time. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 28, 2024 13:59:11 GMT 1
We need to do one thing or the other.
Get rid and do it now.
Keep him and let him reshape the squad and give him time to sort it out.
No point in a halfway house of keeping him, retaining the current squad and sacking him after ten games when he (surprise surprise) can’t get a tune out of the same players he’s not managed to get a tune out of this year.
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Post by harris on Apr 28, 2024 13:59:30 GMT 1
Also just to add, if Burgzorg passed at Stoke, if Burgzorg passed against Swansea, if Rebecca Welch doesn’t give that Bristol City pen - even if just one of those things went our way, we probably stay up. There’s only so much he can do in his position. Also add to that West Brom pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half, Preston pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half, Swansea pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half. Warnock and bloody Darren Moore got more out of same players. He won’t need sacking, he should walk with his dismal record Darren Moore is the reason Andre was firefighting the last few games. But fuck it, let’s sack him and hire someone else with less pedigree. What happens if they start slow, sack them too? Same again after that? That is NEVER going to bring success. Show some patience. |
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