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Post by dugnet on Apr 28, 2024 17:54:01 GMT 1
How about the only man we can realistically afford? Jon Worthington. The same man that doesn't want the job and has already turned down the job? Do you not think that might have been posted on a float and line, |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 28, 2024 17:57:31 GMT 1
How about the only man we can realistically afford? Jon Worthington. Mr Nagle needs to be a bit more transparent about what our budget is. Too many mixed messages about being prepared to invest but also being sustainable (which has just been significantly hit). What our plan and target is needs to be a little clearer (for me at least). |
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Post by hxterrierhx on Apr 28, 2024 18:03:46 GMT 1
I'd hope AB stays, he management has not offended me, and with a full a transfer window and full pre-season I think we would see a true AB team. He came in the back of an "attacking football" philosphy, as did Darren Moore, now I am not saying Darren Moore was a great managment choice, but he also came in with an "attacking football" ethos. So if 2 relatively experienced managers can't get the same group of players to play attacking football, or maybe more close to the truth saw them day to day in training and realised the skill level wasn't there to play attacking football, then maybe just maybe a high percentage of the blame lays with the players and not AB.
Another appointment is a backwards step in my view and already free falling club.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Apr 28, 2024 18:08:04 GMT 1
The frustrating thing with AB is we have brought a manager in with his own style and ethos and we haven't seen any of it because the players at his disposal just don't fit the criteria.
Crazy decision really when you think about it.
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Post by nnnlove on Apr 28, 2024 18:12:05 GMT 1
I just don't see AB walking away, which would make all of this moot.
He knew our position in the table when he joined, so it's not exactly unexpected where we'll be playing next season (I'm not ready to say it yet).
He deserves a season, even though he hasn't pulled off yet another great escape.
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Post by bluestripe on Apr 28, 2024 18:18:39 GMT 1
What he done to be the person you recommend? His record since Leeds game really is fantastic I suppose and all those 4-0 second half drubbings must really enamour him to some of the fanbase. Or is it his worse PPG record than Moore with the same players? Tell me what I’m missing here please, as there is plenty fancy foreign names managers who can do a better job. I mean, it’s not like wendies or QPR found one is it. He doesn’t achieve what he has without being a good manager. There is no way we’d get anyone with anywhere near his pedigree if we get rid, so the person who referred to getting a ‘big’ name in must be thinking of Steve fucking Evans. He’s not pulled up any trees, true, but he can only do so much when professional footballers can’t be arsed on and off the pitch. Culture over the course of a few seasons has caused this issue, not Andre. AB knows what needs to be done now and we have the chance to reset, give him a squad to work with and generally get some stability back to the club. But fuck it, let’s be impatient and sack another manager and do the same thing AGAIN. Agreed. If this carries on, we will become a laughing stock like Watford. |
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Post by Randy Watson on Apr 28, 2024 18:33:34 GMT 1
Grant McCann after what he's done at Doncaster. But we need a rebuild, in all aspects of the football side of things. We need a strong director of football with a solid vision that aligns with the manager. The manager needs to have an idea about how it all works and what's needed. I would go with Houghton any day of the week. He's exactly what we need. Whoever it is, whether it is AB or someone else. We have to commit to rebuilding in their way. Half the issues are with players who don't play to the style of the manager, when a new one comes in then we are stuck. We then buy a player or two in a different style and then we end up with a Mish mash of styles which no one can create a team from We need our identity right through and the manager is key to that. We need someone prepared to work at a level lower than they're used to/capable of. Grant Mccann is not a Championship manager, his type may get us promoted but then what ? AB has done nothing either to convince me he's the right man. BTW I don't know who the answer is but as someone alluded to earlier KN needs to invest heavily in them |
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Post by houllierspal on Apr 28, 2024 18:49:57 GMT 1
Happy to stay with AB but if he goes, Warne has good record in D1 although prising him from Derby is unlikely, otherwise Challinor
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Apr 28, 2024 19:58:04 GMT 1
I like the selles option, it did take the reading fans a while to take to him though. I suppose the likes of Alex Neil, Gary rowett and Nigel Pearson are all steady if not pragmatic options who might be able to neutralise the toxicity in the club. The three are names we probably should have looked at post Moore if not post Warnock with a view to going more expansive this summer. I'd probably say Pearson, he did have times playing nice football with Bristol, the other two have promotions from this league behind them but don't scream rebuild. If we are rebuilding and are going to be serious about getting shot of the bad apples, then why not copy Ipswich and go for a young coach with arguably an untainted philosophy, Ryan mason from spurs, Anthony Barry from Bayern (he'll probably leave with tuchel), Brian Barry-murphy from Manchester city's eds side. Craig Bellamy if he could be prised away from Burnley, if he wanted to be a number 1. |
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Post by onesteviekindon on Apr 29, 2024 10:59:54 GMT 1
How about the only man we can realistically afford? Jon Worthington. The same man that doesn't want the job and has already turned down the job? Yes, the very same. I wonder if anybody has actually tried talking to him? People can sometimes change their mind so why not give it a try? The only time our team has shown an ounce of spirit this season was during the few games that JW was in charge. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 11:01:33 GMT 1
The same man that doesn't want the job and has already turned down the job? Yes, the very same. I wonder if anybody has actually tried talking to him? People can sometimes change their mind so why not give it a try? The only time our team has shown an ounce of spirit this season was during the few games that JW was in charge.Warnock wants a word. |
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Post by onesteviekindon on Apr 29, 2024 11:07:49 GMT 1
Yes, the very same. I wonder if anybody has actually tried talking to him? People can sometimes change their mind so why not give it a try? The only time our team has shown an ounce of spirit this season was during the few games that JW was in charge.Warnock wants a word. I'm sure he does, but we all know that Neil isn't an option anymore don't we? |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 29, 2024 11:16:15 GMT 1
Also just to add, if Burgzorg passed at Stoke, if Burgzorg passed against Swansea, if Rebecca Welch doesn’t give that Bristol City pen - even if just one of those things went our way, we probably stay up. There’s only so much he can do in his position. Also add to that West Brom pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half, Preston pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half, Swansea pulled his pants down 4-0 in second half. Warnock and bloody Darren Moore got more out of same players. He won’t need sacking, he should walk with his dismal record I would think that’s been pre agreed. He ain’t gonna wanna manage in div 3. Not with these players. It’s been a nightmare as much for him as for the players the fans and the club. The only way forward imo is a new Director of football. Then I’d try and get Michael Skubala from Lincoln city and give him £5m to spend straight away- Let’s face it- Americans running football clubs are good for one thing and one thing only. ££££ |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 29, 2024 11:21:49 GMT 1
I no saw no firefighting. I saw us roll over and have our bellies tickled. Would you be asking for same patience for Moore? Both managers couldn’t get a tune out of the same players Warnock could, but he couldn’t keep his gob shut. AB will have a relegation clause. No need to sack him, he’ll walk off a hero to some on here Give over with the hero nonsense, you’re over exaggerating. A lot of us can see that he isn’t the problem and with the right players at his disposal, he will bring success. He’s done it in much tougher leagues before so he can do it in league one. He also now knows who to get rid of and who to keep. As I said and as you ignored, some huge moments have gone against us in the last 5 or so games that Sunday league players and Sunday league referees don’t get wrong. How can, as a coach, you legislate for stuff like that? You can’t but he got a lot wrong that was within his power. Poor tactics, formation and line ups- some bizarre ones. Hes not much of a motivator. He’s a bit dour. We’d have had more chance staying up under Worthington, who just by knowing the players and the league would’ve made less mistakes. It was the wrong appointment at the wrong time from a D of F who is just winging it and has no real understanding of the game. I’m hopeful Nagel will make a change where it matters and bring in someone with recent uk football experience. Then as I’ve said go for an up and coming league ole manager - Lincoln’s manager again worth a look, pushing they don’t make it up via the play offs. |
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Post by onekennyirons on Apr 29, 2024 11:26:32 GMT 1
Ted Lasso for me. He’s available and did a brilliant job at Richmond, hopefully he’d bring Roy Kent with him. Need to do it the right way though and bring his Mrs and kid over, not fair him being apart from them again.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 11:28:11 GMT 1
I'm sure he does, but we all know that Neil isn't an option anymore don't we? I never said he was. But I saw some fight under him this season, not just under Worthington. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 29, 2024 11:45:33 GMT 1
Whatever happens manager wise I just hope we whoever is the manager over the transfer window is given bit of time with the players they sign. After the last 4 transfer windows we have sacked the manager within a month of the window closing. Schofield Fotheringham Warnock Moore All were given a transfer window and then quickly replaced so the new manager didn't have players for the system they wanted to try and play. Hence so many times we've had players out of position or round pegs in square holes. There's an awful lot of truth in this. One of the reasons why my man for the job is Breitenreiter. He's seen the problems, he know what he wants to do, he's in the system now and can work with the heirachy to bring in the right players, and he has a track record of success. Sod this 12 games - he's battling against the squad who have ingrained bad habits and who he has had no chance to mould - underwhelming as it has been. It's not been notably better or worse than the rest of the season. One or two performances, many complete messes. It just happens to be the point of the season where it has hit the fan because while we've continued to accumulate points at more or less the rate we have all season, others have picked up. If it isn't Breitenreiter, we need a plan now. The club will presumably know whether there is a break clause in his contract in the event of relegation, and whether he intends to walk away. If he does, we need to know who's coming in (I say we, meaning the club, not the fans) and what he intends to do from 5th May. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 29, 2024 11:49:58 GMT 1
I'm sure he does, but we all know that Neil isn't an option anymore don't we? I never said he was. But I saw some fight under him this season, not just under Worthington. In fairness to each manager, there have been performances under all of them. The problem has been that they have been sporadic. Warnock saw performances against West Brom, Leicester, Rotherham, Middlesbrough in the League Cup, but he also oversaw the shambles that was Norwich. Moore oversaw Ipswich, Blackburn at home, Southampton was a decent performance, but also Cardiff at home, Leeds away, Birmingham away, and insipid performances without being awful most weeks. Worthington oversaw a performance against Sunderland, but also capitulations against Southampton and Hull. Breitenreiter has overseen performances against Leeds, Watford, and Bristol City, but also capitulations against Preston and Swansea. Warnock has a higher performance to match ration than others though, I agree. And I'm sure we'll both agree that the common denominator in all of this has been the players and what is becoming clear is a culture of rank unprofessionalism. |
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Post by onesteviekindon on Apr 29, 2024 11:53:45 GMT 1
I'm sure he does, but we all know that Neil isn't an option anymore don't we? I never said he was. But I saw some fight under him this season, not just under Worthington. Yes so did I, but we were discussing our choice of next manager so there's no point in talking about Warnock because he's not available. See the title of the thread "new manager options", is Neil an option? |
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Post by griffa on Apr 29, 2024 12:05:27 GMT 1
Whatever happens manager wise I just hope we whoever is the manager over the transfer window is given bit of time with the players they sign. After the last 4 transfer windows we have sacked the manager within a month of the window closing. Schofield Fotheringham Warnock Moore All were given a transfer window and then quickly replaced so the new manager didn't have players for the system they wanted to try and play. Hence so many times we've had players out of position or round pegs in square holes. There's an awful lot of truth in this. One of the reasons why my man for the job is Breitenreiter. He's seen the problems, he know what he wants to do, he's in the system now and can work with the heirachy to bring in the right players, and he has a track record of success. Sod this 12 games - he's battling against the squad who have ingrained bad habits and who he has had no chance to mould - underwhelming as it has been. It's not been notably better or worse than the rest of the season. One or two performances, many complete messes. It just happens to be the point of the season where it has hit the fan because while we've continued to accumulate points at more or less the rate we have all season, others have picked up. If it isn't Breitenreiter, we need a plan now. The club will presumably know whether there is a break clause in his contract in the event of relegation, and whether he intends to walk away. If he does, we need to know who's coming in (I say we, meaning the club, not the fans) and what he intends to do from 5th May. Not for me "terriersmad," couldn't organise a 'piss up in a brewery,' far too cautious, look at the Rotherham game, just wouldn't put a striker on, when the game was there to be won. Hi persistence, with playing out from the back, was weird & crazy, time to say goodbye to AB! |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 29, 2024 12:17:36 GMT 1
There's an awful lot of truth in this. One of the reasons why my man for the job is Breitenreiter. He's seen the problems, he know what he wants to do, he's in the system now and can work with the heirachy to bring in the right players, and he has a track record of success. Sod this 12 games - he's battling against the squad who have ingrained bad habits and who he has had no chance to mould - underwhelming as it has been. It's not been notably better or worse than the rest of the season. One or two performances, many complete messes. It just happens to be the point of the season where it has hit the fan because while we've continued to accumulate points at more or less the rate we have all season, others have picked up. If it isn't Breitenreiter, we need a plan now. The club will presumably know whether there is a break clause in his contract in the event of relegation, and whether he intends to walk away. If he does, we need to know who's coming in (I say we, meaning the club, not the fans) and what he intends to do from 5th May. Not for me "terriersmad," couldn't organise a 'piss up in a brewery,' far too cautious, look at the Rotherham game, just wouldn't put a striker on, when the game was there to be won. Hi persistence, with playing out from the back, was weird & crazy, time to say goodbye to AB! OK, fair enough. But who and, more importantly, how long do they get? |
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Post by mosher on Apr 29, 2024 15:11:12 GMT 1
Me. I got Halifax from National League North to the Prem in 8 seasons on FM. How hard can it be?  |
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Post by bacunatrim46 on Apr 29, 2024 15:36:19 GMT 1
Holding onto AB has to be the priority I think, as someone has already mentioned we have a habit of sacking managers shortly after transfer windows and not allowing them to build their own team. Although AB was far from convincing this season, his CV still suggests he’ll be the best manager in League One next year.
If he chooses to walk - which I think is 50/50 - then I’d much prefer a young manager from the lower leagues (or an assistant getting their first job) rather than a stopgap experienced manager. We need a total rebuild and an appointment of the ilk of Nigel Pearson or Alex Neil doesn’t fill me with any confidence.
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Apr 29, 2024 15:39:57 GMT 1
Me. I got Halifax from National League North to the Prem in 8 seasons on FM. How hard can it be? have you ever been Town manager and if so how did you do? |
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Post by mosher on Apr 29, 2024 15:59:50 GMT 1
Me. I got Halifax from National League North to the Prem in 8 seasons on FM. How hard can it be? have you ever been Town manager and if so how did you do? My usual club (surprising eh ) on FM, mixed results, usually get to the Prem, but after that I've had immediate relegations, consolidations, even took us into Europe on a couple of occasions. Wish it was as easy as FM  |
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Post by detox on Apr 29, 2024 16:01:56 GMT 1
I suppose if AB left, or was dismissed...that would mean the new guy would have to learn over the months following what AB already knows...we have a team full of wasters..by which time the squad is starting next season only for the new guy to discover by October what we already know...(does that make sense?) ..So...I'm kind of thinking let's keep him on, surely things can't be any worse...
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Post by terriers2000 on Apr 29, 2024 19:26:20 GMT 1
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Post by k1man999 on Apr 29, 2024 19:50:46 GMT 1
We like a young hungry coach from other teams wanting to make their way - I give you the Heff.
First team coach at WBA, loves the club well respected, is it too much of a gamble if had him with a experienced guy to help like a jacko/yorath set up.
Or do we stick with Andre or get an experienced man in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 19:56:41 GMT 1
AB needs to choose his squad and have a full preseason to get them ready. Carlos struggled in his first season with us, I know it was his first full managerial post but the improvement when he got proper control was remarkable.
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Apr 29, 2024 20:04:41 GMT 1
If not AB, then Grant McCann. He knows the division.
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