Hoggy

[hueypnewton]

I honestly think relegation and League One means offering Hoggy another year is a good option. He can do a job at that level and clearly cares about the club.

[utttrooper]

His leadership should hopefully help pull us out of that shithole

[Made In Yorkshire]

It hasn't helped us much in avoiding that shithole in the first place though has it? I thought he was the general yet he's overseen two divisive camps form within the squad.
It's time this club looked forward instead of back.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Too injury prone. Budget is being cut and we cannot carry injury prone players out of sympathy

[specialun]

He remains our best centre mid - He shouldn’t be but he is. That’s a reflection of recruitment the failed B team project

He will have to take a cut but if he will and it fits the wage structure he absolutely should stay

Other big wages needed to get off the books though

[tepidterrier]

Nope, we need a reset. At the end of the day he's been a leader in a dressing room in a side that's got used to perpetual failure throughout almost his entire time at the club

[Ross83]

Should be number one priority now. Exactly what we need for that league.

This won't go down well, but I think we should also be speaking to Rhodes. Been there and done it with us before and certainly proved this season he's good enough for an option from the bench should Healey/Radulovic stay.

[foxtrot666]

Apr 28, 2024 11:23:40 GMT 1 specialun said:

He remains our best centre mid - He shouldn’t be but he is

He will have to take a cut but if he will and it fits the wage structure he absolutely should stay

Other big wages needed to get off the books though

Which helps to explain why we've been relegated, he's well passed his best and although he's been a very decent player for us over the years it's time we moved on. 

[htafcokay]

We are never ever going to learn, are we?

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 28, 2024 11:28:56 GMT 1 Ross83 said:

Should be number one priority now. Exactly what we need for that league.

This won't go down well, but I think we should also be speaking to Rhodes. Been there and done it with us before and certainly proved this season he's good enough for an option from the bench should Healey/Radulovic stay.

Healey is basically a younger version of Rhodes. We don't need two of them with a limited budget to work around

[Wingman]

I would, for what it’s worth, give him a years deal. We need some experience next year, some leadership, some passion, some backbone. Hoggy brings that to the table. I wouldn’t expect him to be the first name on the teamsheet now but every club making its way up to the Championship has some nous and experience in there, alongside vibrant youth and skill.

We’d be daft to let Hoggy leave this Summer.

[htafcokay]

Apr 28, 2024 11:38:33 GMT 1 Wingman said:

I would, for what it’s worth, give him a years deal. We need some experience next year, some leadership, some passion, some backbone. Hoggy brings that to the table. I wouldn’t expect him to be the first name on the teamsheet now but every club making its way up to the Championship has some nous and experience in there, alongside vibrant youth and skill.

We’d be daft to let Hoggy leave this Summer.

Where's the leadership been this season, when players have been taking the piss out of the manager?

Players leaving early every day, why isn't the captain telling them they're going nowhere?

You speak to any ex player, and they'll tell you that the captain runs that dressing room.

There's been very little leadership this season from our club captain.

[htafc]

replace him and start thinking long term

[Wingman]

Apr 28, 2024 11:41:14 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

Apr 28, 2024 11:38:33 GMT 1 Wingman said:

I would, for what it’s worth, give him a years deal. We need some experience next year, some leadership, some passion, some backbone. Hoggy brings that to the table. I wouldn’t expect him to be the first name on the teamsheet now but every club making its way up to the Championship has some nous and experience in there, alongside vibrant youth and skill.

We’d be daft to let Hoggy leave this Summer.

Where's the leadership been this season, when players have been taking the piss out of the manager?

Players leaving early every day, why isn't the captain telling them they're going nowhere?

You speak to any ex player, and they'll tell you that the captain runs that dressing room.

There's been very little leadership this season from our club captain.

We don’t know what’s gone on behind the scenes this year, and as Andre alluded to in his interview, there has been a lot which he may disclose.

My point is we would benefit from his experience for a further year. We don’t have much on offer in Midfield right now and it would make sense to keep hold to help shape a rebuild.

[Torquayterrier]

This really represents the best opportunity for a proper reset we've had in years (if KN really has the cash to do it) so please no more talk of extending or renewing past it and/or woefully underperforming players.
Remember years ago when Powell was in charge at Charlton and they cleared out nearly the entire squad one summer? Went on to have a great following season iirc.

[HuddsTerrier]

Apr 28, 2024 11:25:46 GMT 1 tepidterrier said:

Nope, we need a reset. At the end of the day he's been a leader in a dressing room in a side that's got used to perpetual failure throughout almost his entire time at the club

Depends on failure

Most seasons staying up has been the target - certainly was the aim pre Wagner

Hogg also played a big role in getting to the Premier League, staying in the Premier and finishing third two years ago

To say his time at Huddersfield is categorised as a failure is a bit extreme

I mean he's spent his entire Town career in the top two leagues - over the last 50 years as a club we've probably spent more seasons on the third tier than any other division

Whatever the frustrations Hogg's time at Town is not a failure and he's probably been one of the best value signings we ever made £500k for 10 years service. Bargain

[Terry Jacko]

Would definitely keep him as back up to Kasumu who should look good at league one on the provision we sign two midfielders who are comfortable on the ball next to him.

[specialun]

Apr 28, 2024 11:29:48 GMT 1 foxtrot666 said:

Apr 28, 2024 11:23:40 GMT 1 specialun said:

He remains our best centre mid - He shouldn’t be but he is

He will have to take a cut but if he will and it fits the wage structure he absolutely should stay

Other big wages needed to get off the books though

Which helps to explain why we've been relegated, he's well passed his best and although he's been a very decent player for us over the years it's time we moved on. 

I get your point in theory - but we’ve had years to find better options / longer term replacements and failed.

His injury record the last few years is imo no doubt at 35 he’s having to
start where he’s fit as the rest of the options are not good enough. He should be competing for a spot / being rotated whereas he’s got to start if fit

What makes you think we’ll find better options the next transfer window?

(Very decent - imo a brilliant player over a decade, tremendous signing for £0.5m)

[Tinpot]

This season he should have been the guy you put on the bench to bring on in order to see out a game. Next season we'll be in a lower division but he'll be a year older. At best, that's all I'd hope for with Hogg this coming season.

This club needs a reset. If that includes Hogg as club captain because we're desperate for a bit of leadership, that makes sense. If the budget is better spent on a leader that can play 40+ games a season, that makes sense too.

On balance, I'm of the opinion that we don't renew, but if the club takes a different approach that's not necessarily a disaster.

[crux]

Apr 28, 2024 11:55:05 GMT 1 Terry Jacko said:

Would definitely keep him as back up to Kasumu who should look good at league one on the provision we sign two midfielders who are comfortable on the ball next to him.

Kasumu has the energy, but is really lacking in quality. If he stays, I'd want him to be our 'worst' midfield player!

[harris]

Regrettably, it’s time to move on.

[Kirchenglocken]

Apr 28, 2024 11:35:06 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

We are never ever going to learn, are we?

The issue wouldn't be giving Hogg a new deal, it would be giving him a new deal and hoping High/Austerfield step up, meaning Hogg continues in the role as most important midfield player at the club. If he is re-signed as 5th choice behind 2 if not 3 new quality players then I think it's a good move from Town. Exact same goes for Ruffels, Koroma and Ward who should not have been resigned as starters but players you know what you get from them but have to compete with new additions. The new additions part is clearly what has been missing.

Another issue though is that Town have 24 (or so) players on their books for next season, that doesn't include Hogg, Pearson, everyone else out of contract. Re-signing without shifting on others or shipping out the younger lot (Daley, Iorpenda as examples) on loan will result in players who should be back up ultimately being the first names on the team sheet.

[detox]

The danger for Town is we'll end up signing a bunch of league one veterans on the cheap, coupled with a few has-beens on loan.

Cutting our cloth to our new lowly status with reduced incomes.

What we actually need it to strengthen by recruiting players that would also be good enough in higher leagues once we get out of league one..(hopefully). We do have some potential in our squad but lack direction and leadership on the pitch...that would be my first priority.

It's not my money of course, but is a massive decision now for Nagle as to what he sees as the medium term future of his club.

[htafcokay]

Apr 28, 2024 13:01:23 GMT 1 Kirchenglocken said:

Apr 28, 2024 11:35:06 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

We are never ever going to learn, are we?

The issue wouldn't be giving Hogg a new deal, it would be giving him a new deal and hoping High/Austerfield step up, meaning Hogg continues in the role as most important midfield player at the club. If he is re-signed as 5th choice behind 2 if not 3 new quality players then I think it's a good move from Town. Exact same goes for Ruffels, Koroma and Ward who should not have been resigned as starters but players you know what you get from them but have to compete with new additions. The new additions part is clearly what has been missing.

Another issue though is that Town have 24 (or so) players on their books for next season, that doesn't include Hogg, Pearson, everyone else out of contract. Re-signing without shifting on others or shipping out the younger lot (Daley, Iorpenda as examples) on loan will result in players who should be back up ultimately being the first names on the team sheet.

I agree.

I wouldn't be massively against it if he was employed in the Dean Whitehead role.

But he won't be, you just know that he'll be starting the first game of next season in the middle of midfield.

[shawsie]

Hes been an iconic figure here but we have to move away from appointing historic figures - this rose tinted approach doesnt work long term inspite of some short term gains.
A proper reset surely now needed - for yrs weve "made do" and stuck plasters on things. Long term it bites you on the arse - we are now back where we were 12 yrs ago....heres hoping its not a decade or so to return. It shouldnt be but we will be the hunted next yr.....the lovely ground to visit for some clubs we havent played for yrs. That in itself is a challenge.

[Kirchenglocken]

Apr 28, 2024 13:03:04 GMT 1 htafcokay said:

Apr 28, 2024 13:01:23 GMT 1 Kirchenglocken said:

The issue wouldn't be giving Hogg a new deal, it would be giving him a new deal and hoping High/Austerfield step up, meaning Hogg continues in the role as most important midfield player at the club. If he is re-signed as 5th choice behind 2 if not 3 new quality players then I think it's a good move from Town. Exact same goes for Ruffels, Koroma and Ward who should not have been resigned as starters but players you know what you get from them but have to compete with new additions. The new additions part is clearly what has been missing.

Another issue though is that Town have 24 (or so) players on their books for next season, that doesn't include Hogg, Pearson, everyone else out of contract. Re-signing without shifting on others or shipping out the younger lot (Daley, Iorpenda as examples) on loan will result in players who should be back up ultimately being the first names on the team sheet.

I agree.

I wouldn't be massively against it if he was employed in the Dean Whitehead role.

But he won't be, you just know that he'll be starting the first game of next season in the middle of midfield.

Perfect way to describe it. Yep until there are changes or better said the evidence tells us otherwise then re-signing Hogg or anyone else probably means they carry on in the same role, in which case letting them leave would be better as it would at least force Town into having to make signings (you would hope).

[tepidterrier]

Apr 28, 2024 11:49:32 GMT 1 HuddsTerrier said:

Apr 28, 2024 11:25:46 GMT 1 tepidterrier said:

Nope, we need a reset. At the end of the day he's been a leader in a dressing room in a side that's got used to perpetual failure throughout almost his entire time at the club

Depends on failure

Most seasons staying up has been the target - certainly was the aim pre Wagner

Hogg also played a big role in getting to the Premier League, staying in the Premier and finishing third two years ago

To say his time at Huddersfield is categorised as a failure is a bit extreme

I mean he's spent his entire Town career in the top two leagues - over the last 50 years as a club we've probably spent more seasons on the third tier than any other division

Whatever the frustrations Hogg's time at Town is not a failure and he's probably been one of the best value signings we ever made £500k for 10 years service. Bargain

I don't think his time has been a failure at all. He's had a long and distinguished career with us and was a crucial part of our biggest achievement in the last 50 years. But ultimately the dressing room decks need clearing. There is an attitude that merely staying up is fine, and we are allergic to winning. Hogg has been one of our leaders for at least 7 seasons, he sets that standard. To quote A Tribe Called Quest, we got it from here... thank u 4 your service

[Tinpot]

Apr 28, 2024 13:02:30 GMT 1 detox said:

The danger for Town is we'll end up signing a bunch of league one veterans on the cheap, coupled with a few has-beens on loan.

Cutting our cloth to our new lowly status with reduced incomes.

What we actually need it to strengthen by recruiting players that would also be good enough in higher leagues once we get out of league one..(hopefully). We do have some potential in our squad but lack direction and leadership on the pitch...that would be my first priority.

It's not my money of course, but is a massive decision now for Nagle as to what he sees as the medium term future of his club.

Having seen the state of our recruitment recently, I'd suggest that would be an improvement.

[boooothy]

I always said Wagner did well because Hudson and Whitehead bought into it and brought the squad with them. Neither of them were good enough in my opinion to justify a starting place in the team but played a massive role.

You’d think Hogg should be capable of something similar. Or maybe he isn’t the voice in the dressing room i thought he was, if that’s the case and it’s purely on football ability then he can leave.

[space hardware]

As a club, we love a nostalgic pick.

I'd imagine he'll be offered a new deal.