Do you want to see Cartwright sacked?

[kjf]

Want to see him gone imo if only we chose Chris Markham instead

[boooothy]

I’ve no idea. I’m not close enough to have any idea what he does and doesn’t do.

[terriersyndrome]

YES!

[makelovenotwarnock]

He’s obviously a target at the moment. It’s pretty fair that he is. But I would say:
- Decision to keep Warnock probably not his, Nagle clearly pushed for it as per the YouTube series.
- Decision to keep Moore on so long may not have been his. Appointment of Moore clearly wrong although I saw the logic at the time.
- AB still an impressive appointment on paper even if things haven’t worked out (yet) and AB credits Cartwright for convincing him
- Some decent signings - Healey, Balker have looked decent when fit.

On balance, think someone has to take the fall for the disaster this season and it should be him. But it’s not bit without its mitigations.

[Tinpot]

Apr 28, 2024 22:42:11 GMT 1 makelovenotwarnock said:

He’s obviously a target at the moment. It’s pretty fair that he is. But I would say:
- Decision to keep Warnock probably not his, Nagle clearly pushed for it as per the YouTube series.
- Decision to keep Moore on so long may not have been his. Appointment of Moore clearly wrong although I saw the logic at the time.
- AB still an impressive appointment on paper even if things haven’t worked out (yet) and AB credits Cartwright for convincing him
- Some decent signings - Healey, Balker have looked decent when fit.

On balance, think someone has to take the fall for the disaster this season and it should be him. But it’s not bit without its mitigations.

Did you?

I'll go as far as to say I didn't expect him to be as bad as he was, but given the "position of strength" we were in it seemed insane (even without the benefit of hindsight!) to not go for an ambitious appointment.

[bluestripe]

Apr 28, 2024 22:35:21 GMT 1 boooothy said:

I’ve no idea. I’m not close enough to have any idea what he does and doesn’t do.

Exactly this. Poll needs an option for this.

But really, I should get with the mood music, and say I want every fooker employed at the club sacked and flogged with birch twigs.

[philstarbuckscoffee]

He must have been involved with getting Warnock back for this season. I think that was a mistake as he was never going to be a long term fix and should have gone out on a high last season.

Once appointed though they should have stuck with Warnock. Not doing so was a mistake. Cartwright must have been involved with that decision.

However, it appeared that Kevin had a spat and probably ruled that Colin had to go after the Norwich twitter/press conference exchanges. If so, Cartwright should have at this point refused to look to swap managers and said to KN to keep with what they had for ‘stability.’ If it played out the way I think it did with KN saying he had to go then this is another mistake by MC.

Appointing Darren Moore - no need to comment on this.

Sticking with Moore so long - mistake. If it was as clear as it was to us fans that it wasn’t and was never going to work, then DM should have been gone before the Jan transfer window. Having stuck with him it appears KN said on his diary that QPR away was a must win and that made DM’s sacking inevitable after the draw.

Not already having a replacement remotely lined up is another MC mistake.

Regardless of the Jan window and hiring of AB, the above is abject failure. If I fucked up that much in my job, I’d expect the sack

[Orinoco]

Deary me yet another pointless poll, relegation will sort it's own financial stuff out.

[hotshot]

I think that both Cartwright and Edwards should leave the club. They have been in hiding, and not communicated with the fans and have not given any official interviews since their initial ones. Someone referred to him being like a second hand lawnmower salesman, which I think is not an unfair assesment. Cartwright talks a good talk but had been away from the game for so long prior to joining and seems out of touch with the UK transfer market. He brought in his friend Darren Moore, which likely cost the club millions. Add to this why did he not resolve the conflict with Warnock. Nagle should separate these two for the clubs and his own future successes.

[Gold Coast Terrier]

I don't think it's fair to judge Edwards just yet. He has a broader scope, and off the field I would say things are progressing at the club.

Its hard for any of us to pin the blame for the managerial changes and the timings because with an involved owner those lines get blurred.

BUT... I am holding him accountable for making some shocking signings in two disastrous transfer windows. Not least Bojan, who seemed to be quickly labelled as a work in progress rather than there to help fight relegation. Its nothing personal towards Bojan, but we had more immediate priorities.

Yes Balker looks good when fit, but we shouldn't be surprised to see him injury prone.

[BlueValour]

Apr 29, 2024 0:58:28 GMT 1 Gold Coast Terrier said:

I don't think it's fair to judge Edwards just yet. He has a broader scope, and off the field I would say things are progressing at the club.
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Really? What off-field things are progressing at the Club?

[Gold Coast Terrier]

Apr 29, 2024 2:20:44 GMT 1 BlueValour said:

Apr 29, 2024 0:58:28 GMT 1 Gold Coast Terrier said:

I don't think it's fair to judge Edwards just yet. He has a broader scope, and off the field I would say things are progressing at the club.
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Really? What off-field things are progressing at the Club?

They’re rebuilding the academy with (on paper) solid personnel. They have a big job to improve the match day experience, with their hands tied. But with the e-kiosk trial and comments on their focus it at least sounds promising. Not to mention they’ve taken steps to improve the accessibility and inclusion of the match day.

Also discussions to greatly improve the merchandise at the club.

I’m not saying he’s doing a particularly great job as time will tell. But his impact will take longer to judge in my opinion. Easy to bunch the two together.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Breitenreiter was saying Cartwright had been a good Director of Football, in his opinion, make of that what you will.

[goodbet]

We were in a state and he arrived later that was ideal but failed to grasp what state we were in.

The choice of manager was poor and the decision to keep him well past any reasonable assessment was a killer for the team and the club.

The January window when we were in dire need of a lift we needed players that were Championship ready and could fit straight in to the team day one. We got players that were not fit that took time to get up to speed and could not get in to the team for some time. Players from the Finnish league may be good players eventually but they are prospects not what was needed at a club near the bottom of the league facing relegation in a few short months.

Looking back at his tenure it is difficult to see how it could have gone any worse.

[Tinpot]

Apr 29, 2024 7:13:26 GMT 1 goodbet said:

We were in a state and he arrived later that was ideal but failed to grasp what state we were in.

The choice of manager was poor and the decision to keep him well past any reasonable assessment was a killer for the team and the club.

The January window when we were in dire need of a lift we needed players that were Championship ready and could fit straight in to the team day one. We got players that were not fit that took time to get up to speed and could not get in to the team for some time. Players from the Finnish league may be good players eventually but they are prospects not what was needed at a club near the bottom of the league facing relegation in a few short months.

Looking back at his tenure it is difficult to see how it could have gone any worse.

Do you remember the summer of 2018?

[Tinpot]

I love a good witch hunt.

[Metch]

Apr 29, 2024 6:13:38 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Breitenreiter was saying Cartwright had been a good Director of Football, in his opinion, make of that what you will.

Did he provide any evidence for that statement?
There's plenty of evidence of poor decision making throughout the whole season but I can't say who is directly responsible for those decisions. You have to look at the top three Cartwright Edwards and Nagle though as they are ultimately responsible for the direction of the club which is currently down!

[Yuta be a terrier]

Apr 29, 2024 7:13:26 GMT 1 goodbet said:

We were in a state and he arrived later that was ideal but failed to grasp what state we were in.

The choice of manager was poor and the decision to keep him well past any reasonable assessment was a killer for the team and the club.

The January window when we were in dire need of a lift we needed players that were Championship ready and could fit straight in to the team day one. We got players that were not fit that took time to get up to speed and could not get in to the team for some time. Players from the Finnish league may be good players eventually but they are prospects not what was needed at a club near the bottom of the league facing relegation in a few short months.

Looking back at his tenure it is difficult to see how it could have gone any worse.

I thought the Jan signings were OK personally. Matos on loan was decent. Healey is clearly a goal scorer and recalling Spencer was a good move. However we didn't sign enough players. We desperately needed ball players and I can't help but think the timing of the Moore sacking absolutely stuffed us and left us unable to do any more business in the last few days of the window. That has to be on Cartwright.

[oldmanboothy]

The new Ross Wilson

[htfcterry]

Apr 28, 2024 22:35:21 GMT 1 boooothy said:

I’ve no idea. I’m not close enough to have any idea what he does and doesn’t do.

This is exactly where I'm at with him. It'd be good to see what falls under his remit before deciding whether he deserves the sack or not. It doesn't fill me with confidence that people who are usually reliably close to the club on here don't have anything good to say about him.

[runner76]

I think he has to go. He’s in charge of the ‘footballing’ side of the club and it’s been a disaster this season. Under his watch.

We need tough decisions and a fresh start well before Summer…..

[goodbet]

Apr 29, 2024 7:48:56 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Apr 29, 2024 7:13:26 GMT 1 goodbet said:

We were in a state and he arrived later that was ideal but failed to grasp what state we were in.

The choice of manager was poor and the decision to keep him well past any reasonable assessment was a killer for the team and the club.

The January window when we were in dire need of a lift we needed players that were Championship ready and could fit straight in to the team day one. We got players that were not fit that took time to get up to speed and could not get in to the team for some time. Players from the Finnish league may be good players eventually but they are prospects not what was needed at a club near the bottom of the league facing relegation in a few short months.

Looking back at his tenure it is difficult to see how it could have gone any worse.

Do you remember the summer of 2018?

Well, it is just as well he was not trusted with that amount of money.

[goodbet]

Apr 29, 2024 8:12:20 GMT 1 Yuta be a terrier said:

Apr 29, 2024 7:13:26 GMT 1 goodbet said:

We were in a state and he arrived later that was ideal but failed to grasp what state we were in.

The choice of manager was poor and the decision to keep him well past any reasonable assessment was a killer for the team and the club.

The January window when we were in dire need of a lift we needed players that were Championship ready and could fit straight in to the team day one. We got players that were not fit that took time to get up to speed and could not get in to the team for some time. Players from the Finnish league may be good players eventually but they are prospects not what was needed at a club near the bottom of the league facing relegation in a few short months.

Looking back at his tenure it is difficult to see how it could have gone any worse.

I thought the Jan signings were OK personally. Matos on loan was decent. Healey is clearly a goal scorer and recalling Spencer was a good move. However we didn't sign enough players. We desperately needed ball players and I can't help but think the timing of the Moore sacking absolutely stuffed us and left us unable to do any more business in the last few days of the window. That has to be on Cartwright.

We didn't need OK we needed fit players, ready to go, not players that took time to get fit and struggled to get game time.

Matos started 16 games for us but a 19 year old dropped in to a relegation battle was not the right decision. Healy started only four games, and could be what we need next season, but not what we wanted for an end of season fight for survival.

January was out last chance saloon (an Americanism in the home someone will understand this in the USA). Not the time for half hearted attempts.

[runner76]

also.....if what AB says is true (let's face it, it likely is....) on players having bad attitudes, leaving early etc etc surely that 'culture' in the footballing side comes down not just to the manager but more to the 'top' person in the footballing side, which surely has to be Cartwright? So, as well as the only constant in this shitshow being the players, the other is Cartwright - has to go

[bluestripe]

Apr 29, 2024 8:05:45 GMT 1 Metch said:

Apr 29, 2024 6:13:38 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Breitenreiter was saying Cartwright had been a good Director of Football, in his opinion, make of that what you will.

Did he provide any evidence for that statement?
There's plenty of evidence of poor decision making throughout the whole season but I can't say who is directly responsible for those decisions. You have to look at the top three Cartwright Edwards and Nagle though as they are ultimately responsible for the direction of the club which is currently down!

Come on. Breitenriter is hardly going to say Cartwright is a chump, and whilst we're at it, they Nagle doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Apr 29, 2024 14:32:35 GMT 1 bluestripe said:

Apr 29, 2024 8:05:45 GMT 1 Metch said:

Did he provide any evidence for that statement?
There's plenty of evidence of poor decision making throughout the whole season but I can't say who is directly responsible for those decisions. You have to look at the top three Cartwright Edwards and Nagle though as they are ultimately responsible for the direction of the club which is currently down!

Come on. Breitenriter is hardly going to say Cartwright is a chump, and whilst we're at it, they Nagle doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

Think it’s pretty certain that he won’t call him a “chump”

[bluestripe]

Apr 29, 2024 16:59:45 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Apr 29, 2024 14:32:35 GMT 1 bluestripe said:

Come on. Breitenriter is hardly going to say Cartwright is a chump, and whilst we're at it, they Nagle doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

Think it’s pretty certain that he won’t call him a “chump”

Sorry. "Dummkopf" then. 😉

[workshyfop]

The worrying thing is most fans could see we were in massive trouble with the quality of our squad, no strikers and no midfielder who can dictate play. Warnock was the only person probably capable of getting a tune out of them and, even then, maybe not over a full season. Not many people would have chosen Darren Moore or claimed it suited our attacking ideas (still without a striker). This isn’t hindsight either. But, the people in charge of running the club arrogantly laughed it off and thought they knew best. When we finally did make some signings they made zero impact. The result is a relegation that could set us back a decade.

[terriers2000]

YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!

[brighousesteve]

Like others, I don't know enough about his day to day operations and what he brings to the table to say whether he should be sacked or not. What I could see, time and time again, was how poor Darren Moore was when presenting himself to the media, and this reflects on Cartwright plus the others on the board that appointed him. Moore was timid and appalling at interviews. What did the recruitment board see in him? First impressions really count. Moore had little, possibly no charisma. He wasn't bold and forthcoming. He couldn't answer questions without stalling and buying time with cliches, in order to give him thinking time. He couldn't answer difficult questions. It leads me to assume that he would have been like this when being interviewed. Also, he could have been like this in front of the players so maybe this was why the rot set in. To get back to the point, what on earth persuaded Cartwright (and Edwards) to believe that this man could manage a football team, and as such, leaves me feeling very concerned about the short/mid term future, especially if Cartwiright and Edwards are going to be at the centre of the upcoming recruitment decisions.