Realistic expectations next year

[dooky82]

I'd take a top 6 finish

[Tinpot]

Apr 30, 2024 20:57:11 GMT 1 detox said:

Maybe 5 years of mid table consolidation while the jss footprint gets redeveloped for KN..then in 2030 we push for play offs, 2033 back to championship, KN has deceased and new owners from Rwanda..I'll be. 83, or dead by then...

Could you explain - for the benefit of those who have been fans for 15 years or less - what that phrase means?

[ambryboy]

Apr 30, 2024 21:28:17 GMT 1 drayltonboy (independent) said:

Happy to wait and see

Would it be impolite if my response to that was f*** *ff?

[Tinpot]

Apr 30, 2024 21:27:57 GMT 1 BLUE&WHITE said:

All the comments saying the same.

Yes the top should be the aim but let's do a reality check...


Current squad and situation, mid table.

What about when we lose our best players?

[keithAM11532]

How can you form an expectation when we have no idea who is even going to return next season. No manager, and anybody who is anybody most likely buggering off.

[teddytheterrier]

Minimum of promotion however I think we will have another god awful season.

[specialun]

Top 6 minimum standard answer - but a long way from having a clue if that’s even remotely possible budget / manager / personnel

I’m sure plenty other fans thought the same when they went to league 1

[htfcterry]

Simple, win the league.

Owner(s) have fucked us up royally, do whatever is possible to win the league.

[dugnet]

My expectation is:

We change our mindset and culture, we are currently too embedded in the past and it is very obvious things need to change.

We get everyone pulling together. It is obvious that this isn't the case. Create something that the fans can believe in and get behind.

Believe that this club can be better. None of this continual talking down our status and creating a self limiting mindset. This club has just as much potential as many currently above us.

Respect League One but create a team that can compete and succeed *

* I'm realistic, we are currently miles off any sort of coherent squad that looks likely to make any sort of promotion push. Ideally we should be aiming to bounce straight back but it might not be so simple. I suppose you could say that we should have been planning for this already so let's hear what Mr Nagle says.

My minimum expectation is that we fundamentally change and start looking up. A different narrative that allows our club to start to regain confidence and push on. I don't think any of us have really got our heads around how bad things have potential got so that is what we need to accept and deal with. Do that and we can all start to believe again.

Can we all please cut out any hint of "Billy Big boy" bollox about what we should be doing in League One. There's a difference between quiet confidence/assurance and entitled arrogance. We definitely need to believe in ourselves but we have never been an entitled lot. I don't think many are falling into that category but let's just be better and believe we can be better.

The base from which to create something really special has always been at this club but for decades we never are able to make something sustainable. That's the potential and opportunity , it's now time, for want of a better phrase, to stop dicking about and work towards achieving it.

Mr Nagle you have bought into a quality brand that undersells itself and underachieves. Over to you to be the man to create something that takes this club to a better future. The first year may have not been what anyone wanted but the opportunity is still there. I'm sure you like a challenge. This could be your biggest success of many you have had. Are you up for taking it on? I very much hope you are.

I'm very much looking forward to hearing something frank and greatly encouraging soon. Over to you.

[jim100]

Can anyone really see the current people in charge at board level delivering a promotion season? If we are to have any chance of promotion next season Nagle needs to get competent people in at board level. Probably difficult at league 1 to attract the quality we need

[rockwall]

1. Top 6 minimum, if we lose out in a play offs, that's just bad luck.

2. We bud a squad to compete. Approach it like we did under Lee Clark. Actually attack and create entertainment.

3. Minimum expectation is that anyone who is wearing the badgering through a brick wall for the club.

4. Take the Papa John's seriously. Its a cup at the end of the day. A trip to Wembley also on the cards. Don't cate how tinpot it is, a trophy is a trophy at the end of the day.

[onesteviekindon]

Anyone expecting us to bounce straight back is deluded. Decent players will leave and some serious rebuilding is needed. The first objective is to stop the slide and rediscover how to score goals. I'd settle for a top half finish in the first season and then take it from there.

[runner76]

Top 6

[irverino]

Is the squad really that bad? We had Warnock & Worthy telling us it wasn't & DM & AB suggesting it is.

My view is that its depending how the players are asked to approach the game, under NW & JW its more old school English football with simple instructions & format to suit. The other two are more up to date guys with stats & charts, folders full of different positions & pictures etc etc.
I know professional footballers should be able to adapt to whatever's put in front of them, but 4 wins from 11 played suggests what's preferred.....Mick Buxton said 'Football is a simple game', if we only want to stay in L1 for 12 months, then prune this squad (plus a few additions) & get the right manager in. Nigel Pearson would be perfect.

[Macduff]

Find someone who can see a pass and execute it, find one or two players who can make decent runs (and take the pass) and deliver crosses, maybe find one player with pace who can beat a man (not DB), and hope RH still knows where the goal is.
UTT

[bentley316]

Wrexham being in that league is going to be a big bonus for us. All eyes are on them and we can hopefully just get on with it.

Play offs should be the minimum target. Especially with the amount of overhaul this squad (and the wider club) require.

[Terriersmad]

May 1, 2024 9:30:45 GMT 1 bentley316 said:

Wrexham being in that league is going to be a big bonus for us. All eyes are on them and we can hopefully just get on with it.

Play offs should be the minimum target. Especially with the amount of overhaul this squad (and the wider club) require.

A very fair point. Wrexham have been run as a League One club for the past couple of seasons, and the pressure is now on them to keep winning at this much higher level. They've consistently signed League One players for non-league and League Two and done very well, but now those players are at their level can they keep going? There will be plenty of players keen to make a point against Wrexham.

If Birmingham come down with us, they'll also have a huge target on their backs as the biggest guns in the division. And they're not big guns in the way Leicester, Norwich, Leeds, Southampton were once upon a time. Again, players may raise their game against Birmingham.

I'd expect us to make play-offs now. Relatively speaking, we're a similar strength to Blackpool when they went down, and they've hung around on the fringes of the top six all season, just falling short. Allowing for big playing staff turnover - which is needed - I expect us to build a side capable of challenging for automatic promotion. But to do that we need to remodel the midfield, bring in big characters and leaders. People saying it's unrealistic - we went from relegation battlers with a small core of players to promotion between 2016 and 2017. Football teams can change massively over a summer

I also expect us to be the fittest side in the division. There's no excuses. There will be games where we're not on it, even if we build the best passing team in the division, a la Swansea 2008. But there should never be games where we're out-run. Going back to the promotion season of 2017, how often did we score late in tight matches because the opposition couldn't keep up with our running? Fitness must have won us 15 points or more that season. We need the same next for those games where we're not on it, but we get something late on.

What I expect us to do is build a side to be proud of again. I want a 100-point, 100-goal season. That might not be realistic with this squad. But it needs to be the target. High expectations, hard work, humility from the club, and a thirst to put mistakes right.

[overtonterrierspirit]

It will be a few months before we can realistically consider our chances of success next season.
Which players are leaving? Which players are joining?
Who is the Manager? Are any of our opponents spending money on key signings?
What will attendances be like, given the expected price increase?
Unless you are an expert on League 1 level football ( I know some on here are) how can you assess who is likely to challenge at the top end of the table?
Going to be a tough Summer.

[King Neil]

I would expect top 6 for the duration we are down there as a minimum

We never do automatic,but as long as we get a shot at promotion every Year through the playoffs then it will be bearable

[Captainslapper]

Target has to be automatic promotion, acceptable is the play offs,,,anything less will be a big disappointment.

Regroup, learn how to win matches again, get some forward momentum and come back up stronger.

[Big Ern]

Top 2 100%. Plymouth are crap and they walked that league.

[ColchTerrier]

Win the league, set our stall out first 10 games and try to get as close to 30 points as possible. That will lay the foundations, get the fans back onside and have belief in the squad we can win it.

[VLP Fan Club]

Got to be aiming to win the league, very least automatic promotion otherwise what’s the fucking point in us turning up?

[irverino]

May 1, 2024 9:54:08 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

It will be a few months before we can realistically consider our chances of success next season.
Which players are leaving? Which players are joining?
Who is the Manager? Are any of our opponents spending money on key signings?
What will attendances be like, given the expected price increase?
Unless you are an expert on League 1 level football ( I know some on here are) how can you assess who is likely to challenge at the top end of the table?
Going to be a tough Summer.

Good point, 10-12k at Stockport & Wrexham & the place is rocking which is probably worth a few points, the same amount at JSS & it will be pretty sparse......Deans approach worked filling the seats (he just picked the wrong manager), who is making the decision for SC prices this time? 

[Farsley Terrier (UK product)]

We should be aiming to win it. No excuses.

[Terrier Ramone]

The realistic expectations are that we will now be planning for a crack at returning to the Championship after next season.

Aiming for mid table is the totally wrong approach, we have to aim to be promoted at the first go, which will require money to be spent wisely, maybe on a coaching staff as well as players.

I haven't seen much Div 3 football this season at all but I refuse to believe it is full of good teams because:

1) While Ipswich have had a totally freaky season, Plymouth & Wendies have been as shite as us for the most part
2) Jordan Rhodes scored about 15 goals before Christmas until he got injured
3) We will be one of the biggest clubs in there
4) Rudoni & Wiles excelled in that division in both goals & assists last time they were in it (not that they will necessarily be with us)
5) DM got 90 odd points with SW in that league, despite the supporters not liking his style

Someone earlier made a good point about if we think the refs in the Championship are crap, the ones in L1 will be worse but the advantage we (should) have is that we are more likely, as a bigger club, to get more decisions in our favour - let's face it, we can't get any fewer. I bet we get a pen in our first 5 games.

So, obviously, we can't say where we will finish until we know who we are working with but, as fans, we should expect to have built a squad over summer that can legitimately challenge for promotion & we should aim to be winning it.

[Scott Chegg]

Apr 30, 2024 21:28:17 GMT 1 drayltonboy (independent) said:

Happy to wait and see

You my friend, are an absolute wazzock.

[Colin the Caterpillar]

What SHOULD happen is significant investment up to the maximum spend allowable, which would include signing as many Championship level players as possible even if their wage demands might be viewed normally as excessive. This would include inviting Helik to prove the loyalty professed in his public statements by signing a new deal, as a statement of intent.

Is that a realistic expectation, based purely on what we have seen so far? I’m afraid not.

[fredcarno1]

All depends on what happens in the summer for me. If the owner is prepared to accept what a monumental shambles this season has been from start to finish. We need to cut our losses if possible on many of our contracted players if we are to move fowards. Think we’re in for a disappointing season if we think the likes of Ward, Koroma, Ruffles, Jackson, Headley are going to excel in League 1.

We need to ditch Cartwright as well imo, his signings so far have been a disgrace. He’s managed to spend a significant amount of money on a mixture of crocks and players from crap leagues who’ve had little to no impact. Healy seems to be the only one up to the required standard and even he’s got a very poor injury record.

Fast forward to the squad returning from the off season to see the club pumping out social media content around Scott High Danny Ward and Kyle Hudlin looking sharp in training !!

If the club just plough on as we are, I would see mid table as a good finish next season. With the owner getting another wake up call.

[terrierneil]

We will do fuck all, lucky to finish top half.