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Post by terryya on May 4, 2024 22:30:28 GMT 1
Any chance of us under 50s witnessing an automatic promotion if we manage to get out of L1? Other than teams that have always been in the PL,there can't be many teams that haven't managed it in 40+ years.
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Post by htafc on May 5, 2024 0:03:03 GMT 1
have we ever been automatic promotion
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Post by willo on May 5, 2024 2:00:21 GMT 1
have we ever been automatic promotion 1979/80 season. I can just remember it. |
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Post by rubicon on May 5, 2024 4:50:21 GMT 1
Automatic promotion in 69-70 too, and I can remember it very clearly, so definitely two automatic promotions in my lifetime. I suppose I should make that three, as I was around for the 52-53 promotion as well, even if only 7 months old.
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Post by rugbyterrier on May 5, 2024 5:55:04 GMT 1
1982-3.
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on May 5, 2024 6:34:37 GMT 1
Couldn’t believe the lack of singing from Ipswich fans yesterday when cruising at 2-0 up and knowing you were assured automatic promotion.
If we were ever in that position and knew success was incoming (without the usual nail biting of a penalty shoot out), the place would be rocking
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Post by Terriersmad on May 5, 2024 7:55:54 GMT 1
It’s the cause of huge frustration.
I was thinking about Leicester yesterday. In my 30 years watching football, Leicester have enjoyed six promotions, four as champions of two divisions. They have won two league cups, an FA Cup, and obviously the big one itself in 2016. By any standard they have been enormously successful. For the overwhelming majority of clubs, that’s the dream. We can’t be Manchester United or Liverpool, but was can genuinely aspire to be a Leicester, like most clubs. Leicester’s success is as sustained as any ‘other’ club’s could be over such a period of time - and it shouldn’t be forgotten that in 2008/9 they were in League One.
On the other hand, Oldham. No promotions, umpteen failures in play-offs, relegation all the way from top flight to non-league. They’re the nightmare situation for all clubs. Not least because they just don’t look like turning it round. Not in the play-offs in the National League again.
Most clubs fall between them. We certainly do. Four promotions, four relegations in my time. No automatic promotions. A habit of high expectations falling short, and low expectations somewhat defied. We’ve never done well on the last day of a season; in fact, we’re the team you want to face. Teams win promotion or stay up against us. We always do things the hard way.
It’s time for a sea change. We have gone far too long without an automatic promotion. We have waited 42 years next season. 45 for a title. It’s tough to find a side who have had success who have also failed to win promotion automatically. Even Oldham have managed it since we did. From what I know, only your Manchester Uniteds and Arsenals haven’t, because they haven’t been able to as exclusive denizens of the top flight.
Just to add a final though: every year there are 9 sides across the 92 who gained automatic promotion the previous year. On average, every side in the 92 has gained an average of 4.2 automatic promotions since we last got one. Underachievement.
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Post by onesteviekindon on May 5, 2024 8:09:37 GMT 1
How anyone who watched the match yesterday can possibly think we are anywhere near automatic promotion is a complete mystery to me. We need to completely start again, weed out the crap, kick out those who are stealing a wage, develop the promising youngsters and here's the big one....
... recruit quality players without breaking the bank.
There's a ton of work to be done and it's going to take time. Automatic promotion?, you can forget that for a while!
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 5, 2024 8:16:03 GMT 1
Didn't take us long to get over this season, did it?
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Post by captainblack on May 5, 2024 8:28:47 GMT 1
Didn't take us long to get over this season, did it? I think a lot of Town fans saw this coming ET  |
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 5, 2024 8:32:48 GMT 1
Didn't take us long to get over this season, did it? I think a lot of Town fans saw this coming ET Yup. Didn't need to be Mystic Meg. |
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Post by tom1987 on May 5, 2024 8:34:50 GMT 1
Automatic promotion would be nice yes, but for me, we are miles off.
League 1 is a very tough league and we can't be going in to it with the arrogance (not saying the Op is) of thinking we will get autos just because we are dropping down. If we do and also have the "we're a bug club" mentality then we will get found out. We need a reset, we need a professional, winning attitude to everything we do on and off the pitch. Until that is found then we may well languish in league 1.
Looking at the teams in the league, I'd hope for top 6 at best next year given we need a rebuild.
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Post by joek on May 5, 2024 8:43:33 GMT 1
How anyone who watched the match yesterday can possibly think we are anywhere near automatic promotion is a complete mystery to me. We need to completely start again, weed out the crap, kick out those who are stealing a wage, develop the promising youngsters and here's the big one.... ... recruit quality players without breaking the bank. There's a ton of work to be done and it's going to take time. Automatic promotion?, you can forget that for a while! Unfortunately I completely agree. Discounting play-off games, yesterday was the worst I’ve felt in a football ground for 20+ years. Was just sat wondering to myself how on earth this gets sorted out. Contracted professional football players who can’t pass, tackle or shoot getting the absolute run around and no-one on the pitch seemed to even care. No-one steaming into tackles, no-one bollocking their team mates for their 1000th misplaced pass and 99% of the crowd singing about Leeds. Horrible, horrible, horrible afternoon of football with plenty more to come I fear. This could take years to sort out. Hope this post ages terribly BTW but will be astonished if it does. |
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Post by duncfost01 on May 5, 2024 8:59:20 GMT 1
It’s hard to know what next season will bring.
Will Andre stay ? Is he any good ?
Will the recruitment and the reset of the squad work ? I’ve not been at all impressed by what I’ve seen.
What will the budget be? Will we achieve a decent return on any of the players we sell ?
We all know getting out of league one isn’t easy. Even with all Deans investment and Lee Clark buying player after player he didn’t get us promoted. It took a “lucky” win in the playoff final.
The young players coming through the academy, Spencer aside I’ve not seen anything to impress. I certainly don’t see a £15 million player like Billing in there. Pat jones - what has he done so far accept be injured. Harrett ? - Mm I wouldn’t be putting on hope on him.
My gut feeling is that it isn’t going to be a quick return. The lack of investment and no clear plan - apart from “fire fighting” over the last 6 seasons or so have hurt the whole club and not just the first 11. It’s what’s underneath and that isn’t great.
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Post by E4b on May 5, 2024 9:24:08 GMT 1
This relegation is a godsend. It should mean that we never have to watch crap like this again and with KN’s financial backing we should be able to put together a whole new team with a new manager and hopefully new executive and coaching staff, a whole new beginning. It might mean we have to sell our one prized asset, Helik, but even with a limited budget it should not be difficult to create a better team than this bloody lot. Buxton did it, Jacko did it and now is the time for the next manager. With a bit of luck we might get to see some football again.
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Post by dugnet on May 5, 2024 9:45:17 GMT 1
Didn't take us long to get over this season, did it? I think as fans we all want the club to move on and be better, asap. No one is really surprised but the clamour for change is because we are heartily sick of what we have had to sit through. To the original point, I have seen two automatic promotions and it would be magnificent to see another. |
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Post by scutcher on May 5, 2024 9:46:35 GMT 1
How anyone who watched the match yesterday can possibly think we are anywhere near automatic promotion is a complete mystery to me. We need to completely start again, weed out the crap, kick out those who are stealing a wage, develop the promising youngsters and here's the big one.... ... recruit quality players without breaking the bank. There's a ton of work to be done and it's going to take time. Automatic promotion?, you can forget that for a while! There's a ton of work needed to stop the drop in to LG 2! |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 5, 2024 9:47:48 GMT 1
The fact there’s better odds on Wrexham gaining promotion then us says it all. Plus the bookies I’d expect don’t know quite how bad the state of the club is as well.
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Post by Horney Barry on May 5, 2024 9:49:37 GMT 1
This relegation is a godsend. It should mean that we never have to watch crap like this again and with KN’s financial backing we should be able to put together a whole new team with a new manager and hopefully new executive and coaching staff, a whole new beginning. It might mean we have to sell our one prized asset, Helik, but even with a limited budget it should not be difficult to create a better team than this bloody lot. Buxton did it, Jacko did it and now is the time for the next manager. With a bit of luck we might get to see some football again. I agree that selling Helik (as much as I would hate to see it) along with Thomas (who I would be glad to) should surely generate around £10m which could be reinvested into buying a new team. We just need to cover the minor £8m loss in revenue… |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 5, 2024 9:49:47 GMT 1
How anyone who watched the match yesterday can possibly think we are anywhere near automatic promotion is a complete mystery to me. We need to completely start again, weed out the crap, kick out those who are stealing a wage, develop the promising youngsters and here's the big one.... ... recruit quality players without breaking the bank. There's a ton of work to be done and it's going to take time. Automatic promotion?, you can forget that for a while! Unfortunately I completely agree. Discounting play-off games, yesterday was the worst I’ve felt in a football ground for 20+ years. Was just sat wondering to myself how on earth this gets sorted out. Contracted professional football players who can’t pass, tackle or shoot getting the absolute run around and no-one on the pitch seemed to even care. No-one steaming into tackles, no-one bollocking their team mates for their 1000th misplaced pass and 99% of the crowd singing about Leeds. Horrible, horrible, horrible afternoon of football with plenty more to come I fear. This could take years to sort out. Hope this post ages terribly BTW but will be astonished if it does. One good summer can make all the difference. Don’t jump to conclusions until September. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 5, 2024 9:49:51 GMT 1
There's a graphic doing the rounds that shows statistically only 20% of sides relegated from the Championship to League one bounce back in the first season
It's sobering but we may need to lower expectations as a fanbase. It's more likely than not that we'll still be in League One in 12 months time
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 5, 2024 10:01:28 GMT 1
It’s the cause of huge frustration. I was thinking about Leicester yesterday. In my 30 years watching football, Leicester have enjoyed six promotions, four as champions of two divisions. They have won two league cups, an FA Cup, and obviously the big one itself in 2016. By any standard they have been enormously successful. For the overwhelming majority of clubs, that’s the dream. We can’t be Manchester United or Liverpool, but was can genuinely aspire to be a Leicester, like most clubs. Leicester’s success is as sustained as any ‘other’ club’s could be over such a period of time - and it shouldn’t be forgotten that in 2008/9 they were in League One. On the other hand, Oldham. No promotions, umpteen failures in play-offs, relegation all the way from top flight to non-league. They’re the nightmare situation for all clubs. Not least because they just don’t look like turning it round. Not in the play-offs in the National League again. Most clubs fall between them. We certainly do. Four promotions, four relegations in my time. No automatic promotions. A habit of high expectations falling short, and low expectations somewhat defied. We’ve never done well on the last day of a season; in fact, we’re the team you want to face. Teams win promotion or stay up against us. We always do things the hard way. It’s time for a sea change. We have gone far too long without an automatic promotion. We have waited 42 years next season. 45 for a title. It’s tough to find a side who have had success who have also failed to win promotion automatically. Even Oldham have managed it since we did. From what I know, only your Manchester Uniteds and Arsenals haven’t, because they haven’t been able to as exclusive denizens of the top flight. Just to add a final though: every year there are 9 sides across the 92 who gained automatic promotion the previous year. On average, every side in the 92 has gained an average of 4.2 automatic promotions since we last got one. Underachievement. It’s difficult to deny what Leicester have achieved, but they were the first, or one of the first clubs to flout the rules and it fell jam side up for them. They’ve also had a lot of money pumped in. Not to the levels of a few other clubs, but that’s certainly helped them in recent yrs, and don’t forget they’ll start next season on a negative points score, so no doubt they’ll spend more to try and offset that. So yes, they’ve done extremely well, but are another club who demonstrate what modern football has become. I think Brighton might be in deep shit if Tony Bloom ever falls out with them as well. Will Town become a Leicester? Do you want success that’s largely due to money, flouting the regs, or constantly running them close? It probably is OK for many on here. Personally, for Town to become a train set for someone with unimaginable wealth, it would take the edge of any success that followed. |
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Post by Orinoco on May 5, 2024 10:42:09 GMT 1
have we ever been automatic promotion 1979/80 season. I can just remember it. My 1st full season as a 13/14 year old!!, after going to odd games with my dad n mates dad's. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 5, 2024 10:54:16 GMT 1
There's a graphic doing the rounds that shows statistically only 20% of sides relegated from the Championship to League one bounce back in the first season It's sobering but we may need to lower expectations as a fanbase. It's more likely than not that we'll still be in League One in 12 months time Fed up of this club lowering expectations we are a big fish in league one, no way am I lowering my expectations of this club . Too 6 minimum. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 5, 2024 10:54:25 GMT 1
I've watched Town 40 years and I've never seen an automatic promotion, started going in 84/85.
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on May 5, 2024 10:55:32 GMT 1
This relegation is a godsend. It should mean that we never have to watch crap like this again and with KN’s financial backing we should be able to put together a whole new team with a new manager and hopefully new executive and coaching staff, a whole new beginning. It might mean we have to sell our one prized asset, Helik, but even with a limited budget it should not be difficult to create a better team than this bloody lot. Buxton did it, Jacko did it and now is the time for the next manager. With a bit of luck we might get to see some football again. Agree, get the right coach/ manager in and that fixes a lot of the issues. The trouble is where do we find this person? |
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Post by Tinpot on May 5, 2024 10:56:47 GMT 1
There's a graphic doing the rounds that shows statistically only 20% of sides relegated from the Championship to League one bounce back in the first season It's sobering but we may need to lower expectations as a fanbase. It's more likely than not that we'll still be in League One in 12 months time I see Birmingham as comfortable title favourites as it stands. There are 4 very decent sides competing in the playoffs who I currently wouldn't fancy our chances against, and we'll play against 3 of them next season. Wrexham will be strong favourites to do well and I wouldn't underestimate Stockport with momentum behind them. Charlton have underachieved, but now have AWG at the helm who has a very good record in the lower leagues, so I'd expect to see them in or around the top 6. People say that league is shit. I'd agree that the bottom third - maybe bottom half - really is shit. But we're no great shakes ourselves. At the moment I'm predicting mid-table for us. Obviously that can change once we know who our manager/head coach is, once transfers in and out have been completed and we - more than most - have a lot of unknowns between now and the start of the season. But I do think a lot of fans are conning themselves into believing we'll piss the league as a way of comforting themselves after relegation. Without huge investment - especially in central and wide midfield - we're unlikely to even challenge for top 6. |
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Post by benhomly on May 5, 2024 11:13:17 GMT 1
This relegation is a godsend. It should mean that we never have to watch crap like this again and with KN’s financial backing we should be able to put together a whole new team with a new manager and hopefully new executive and coaching staff, a whole new beginning. It might mean we have to sell our one prized asset, Helik, but even with a limited budget it should not be difficult to create a better team than this bloody lot. Buxton did it, Jacko did it and now is the time for the next manager. With a bit of luck we might get to see some football again. I agree that selling Helik (as much as I would hate to see it) along with Thomas (who I would be glad to) should surely generate around £10m which could be reinvested into buying a new team. We just need to cover the minor £8m loss in revenue… Not a chance; 3 to 4m would be my guess for both not each. We'll never get to find out anyway. |
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Post by terryya on May 5, 2024 11:14:14 GMT 1
How anyone who watched the match yesterday can possibly think we are anywhere near automatic promotion is a complete mystery to me. We need to completely start again, weed out the crap, kick out those who are stealing a wage, develop the promising youngsters and here's the big one.... ... recruit quality players without breaking the bank. There's a ton of work to be done and it's going to take time. Automatic promotion?, you can forget that for a while! I watched the match yesterday and I'm not thinking about promotion at all next season really. However, the chances are that eventually we'll get back to to championship. This thread was more a comment on our lack of automatics for over 40 years rather than a debate on all the things we need to do to improve the team. There's enough of that going on already. |
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Post by benhomly on May 5, 2024 11:15:27 GMT 1
I've watched Town 40 years and I've never seen an automatic promotion, started going in 84/85. I've seen 2. Winning a title is obviously best but I wouldn't swap a play off final win for finishing 2nd. |
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