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Post by sabailand on May 5, 2024 11:21:46 GMT 1
This relegation is a godsend. It should mean that we never have to watch crap like this again and with KN’s financial backing we should be able to put together a whole new team with a new manager and hopefully new executive and coaching staff, a whole new beginning. It might mean we have to sell our one prized asset, Helik, but even with a limited budget it should not be difficult to create a better team than this bloody lot. Buxton did it, Jacko did it and now is the time for the next manager. With a bit of luck we might get to see some football again. "This relegation is a godsend", no its not its hugely disappointing and a bloody disaster. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 5, 2024 11:52:47 GMT 1
This relegation is a godsend. It should mean that we never have to watch crap like this again and with KN’s financial backing we should be able to put together a whole new team with a new manager and hopefully new executive and coaching staff, a whole new beginning. It might mean we have to sell our one prized asset, Helik, but even with a limited budget it should not be difficult to create a better team than this bloody lot. Buxton did it, Jacko did it and now is the time for the next manager. With a bit of luck we might get to see some football again. I don't see it. We can rebuild? Sure, but we could have done that if we'd stayed up too. Footfall when we have no West Yorkshire derby (if Donny don't get promoted & Barnsley do, no Yorkshire derby at all), lots of long trips for home and away fans. New coaching staff? Maybe. Do we feel we haven't changed coaching staff enough times recently? Even the Watford job offers more job security at the moment! As for harking back to Buxton & Jacko - great times indeed, but football has moved on since then. Ever wondered why neither have been involved for so long? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 5, 2024 11:55:15 GMT 1
There’s at least Town v Rotherham Tinpot, but hardly surprising that slips the mind in this shitshow of a season.
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Post by Tinpot on May 5, 2024 11:56:00 GMT 1
This relegation is a godsend. It should mean that we never have to watch crap like this again and with KN’s financial backing we should be able to put together a whole new team with a new manager and hopefully new executive and coaching staff, a whole new beginning. It might mean we have to sell our one prized asset, Helik, but even with a limited budget it should not be difficult to create a better team than this bloody lot. Buxton did it, Jacko did it and now is the time for the next manager. With a bit of luck we might get to see some football again. "This relegation is a godsend", no its not its hugely disappointing and a bloody disaster. Disappointing? Yep. Disaster? No. Nobody dies. Nothing changes in the grand scheme of things, and if anyone is worried - I've been to Cambridge, it's not that bad! |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 5, 2024 11:56:31 GMT 1
I’m not for gambling, but as a barometer, it’ll be interesting to see how they judge our dealings over the summer when they release the odds for promotion…
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Post by Tinpot on May 5, 2024 11:57:47 GMT 1
There’s at least Town v Rotherham Tinpot, but hardly surprising that slips the mind in this shitshow of a season. LOL. Yeah, I forgot about them. Can't wait! |
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Post by JG Mellor on May 5, 2024 11:58:37 GMT 1
It’s the cause of huge frustration. I was thinking about Leicester yesterday. In my 30 years watching football, Leicester have enjoyed six promotions, four as champions of two divisions. They have won two league cups, an FA Cup, and obviously the big one itself in 2016. By any standard they have been enormously successful. For the overwhelming majority of clubs, that’s the dream. We can’t be Manchester United or Liverpool, but was can genuinely aspire to be a Leicester, like most clubs. Leicester’s success is as sustained as any ‘other’ club’s could be over such a period of time - and it shouldn’t be forgotten that in 2008/9 they were in League One. On the other hand, Oldham. No promotions, umpteen failures in play-offs, relegation all the way from top flight to non-league. They’re the nightmare situation for all clubs. Not least because they just don’t look like turning it round. Not in the play-offs in the National League again. Most clubs fall between them. We certainly do. Four promotions, four relegations in my time. No automatic promotions. A habit of high expectations falling short, and low expectations somewhat defied. We’ve never done well on the last day of a season; in fact, we’re the team you want to face. Teams win promotion or stay up against us. We always do things the hard way. It’s time for a sea change. We have gone far too long without an automatic promotion. We have waited 42 years next season. 45 for a title. It’s tough to find a side who have had success who have also failed to win promotion automatically. Even Oldham have managed it since we did. From what I know, only your Manchester Uniteds and Arsenals haven’t, because they haven’t been able to as exclusive denizens of the top flight. Just to add a final though: every year there are 9 sides across the 92 who gained automatic promotion the previous year. On average, every side in the 92 has gained an average of 4.2 automatic promotions since we last got one. Underachievement. It’s difficult to deny what Leicester have achieved, but they were the first, or one of the first clubs to flout the rules and it fell jam side up for them. They’ve also had a lot of money pumped in. Not to the levels of a few other clubs, but that’s certainly helped them in recent yrs, and don’t forget they’ll start next season on a negative points score, so no doubt they’ll spend more to try and offset that. So yes, they’ve done extremely well, but are another club who demonstrate what modern football has become. I think Brighton might be in deep shit if Tony Bloom ever falls out with them as well. Will Town become a Leicester? Do you want success that’s largely due to money, flouting the regs, or constantly running them close? It probably is OK for many on here. Personally, for Town to become a train set for someone with unimaginable wealth, it would take the edge of any success that followed. Really?? |
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Post by sabailand on May 5, 2024 11:58:40 GMT 1
"This relegation is a godsend", no its not its hugely disappointing and a bloody disaster. Disappointing? Yep. Disaster? No. Nobody dies Nothing changes in the grand scheme of things, and if anyone is worried - I've been to Cambridge, it's not that bad! Yeah i know i meant in footballing terms for us as a club. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 5, 2024 12:00:12 GMT 1
I’m not for gambling, but as a barometer, it’ll be interesting to see how they judge our dealings over the summer when they release the odds for promotion… I expect our odds will be short regardless. We're one of the "bigger" (aka more fashionable) clubs at that level. |
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Post by Stewpot on May 5, 2024 12:14:25 GMT 1
There's a graphic doing the rounds that shows statistically only 20% of sides relegated from the Championship to League one bounce back in the first season It's sobering but we may need to lower expectations as a fanbase. It's more likely than not that we'll still be in League One in 12 months time I see Birmingham as comfortable title favourites as it stands. There are 3 very decent sides competing in the playoffs who I currently wouldn't fancy our chances against. Wrexham will be strong favourites to do well and I wouldn't underestimate Stockport with momentum behind them. Charlton have underachieved, but now have AWG at the helm who has a very good record in the lower leagues, so I'd expect to see them in or around the top 6. People say that league is shit. I'd agree that the bottom third - maybe bottom half - really is shit. But we're no great shakes ourselves. At the moment I'm predicting mid-table for us. Obviously that can change once we know who our manager/head coach is, once transfers in and out have been completed and we - more than most - have a lot of unknowns between now and the start of the season. But I do think a lot of fans are conning themselves into believing we'll piss the league as a way of comforting themselves after relegation. Without huge investment - especially in central and wide midfield - we're unlikely to even challenge for top 6. And a Kazakhstan billionaire has just bought a 90% share in Wycombe. Maybe they'll be up there as strong contenders. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 5, 2024 12:26:03 GMT 1
It’s difficult to deny what Leicester have achieved, but they were the first, or one of the first clubs to flout the rules and it fell jam side up for them. They’ve also had a lot of money pumped in. Not to the levels of a few other clubs, but that’s certainly helped them in recent yrs, and don’t forget they’ll start next season on a negative points score, so no doubt they’ll spend more to try and offset that. So yes, they’ve done extremely well, but are another club who demonstrate what modern football has become. I think Brighton might be in deep shit if Tony Bloom ever falls out with them as well. Will Town become a Leicester? Do you want success that’s largely due to money, flouting the regs, or constantly running them close? It probably is OK for many on here. Personally, for Town to become a train set for someone with unimaginable wealth, it would take the edge of any success that followed. Really?? Yep, call me old fashioned, but every measure of success nowadays is tied into money. How much will they be prepared to pay for player ‘x’ and references everywhere to the finances of the game. It’s always had an influence, but never to the degree it does nowadays. Football clubs actually owned by countries for example… |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 5, 2024 12:32:14 GMT 1
I’m not for gambling, but as a barometer, it’ll be interesting to see how they judge our dealings over the summer when they release the odds for promotion… My opinion. In no particular order. Brum, Wrexham, Town, Bolton as top 4 |
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Post by workshyfop on May 5, 2024 12:33:27 GMT 1
I’m not for gambling, but as a barometer, it’ll be interesting to see how they judge our dealings over the summer when they release the odds for promotion… My opinion. In no particular order. Brum, Wrexham, Town, Bolton as top 4 Bolton will go up this season, I would’ve thought. Look a very good side. |
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Post by benhomly on May 5, 2024 12:33:46 GMT 1
There's a graphic doing the rounds that shows statistically only 20% of sides relegated from the Championship to League one bounce back in the first season It's sobering but we may need to lower expectations as a fanbase. It's more likely than not that we'll still be in League One in 12 months time I see Birmingham as comfortable title favourites as it stands. There are 3 very decent sides competing in the playoffs who I currently wouldn't fancy our chances against. Wrexham will be strong favourites to do well and I wouldn't underestimate Stockport with momentum behind them. Charlton have underachieved, but now have AWG at the helm who has a very good record in the lower leagues, so I'd expect to see them in or around the top 6. People say that league is shit. I'd agree that the bottom third - maybe bottom half - really is shit. But we're no great shakes ourselves. At the moment I'm predicting mid-table for us. Obviously that can change once we know who our manager/head coach is, once transfers in and out have been completed and we - more than most - have a lot of unknowns between now and the start of the season. But I do think a lot of fans are conning themselves into believing we'll piss the league as a way of comforting themselves after relegation. Without huge investment - especially in central and wide midfield - we're unlikely to even challenge for top 6. Who is AWG? I can only think of something that might be construed as racism so I can't put that |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 5, 2024 12:50:51 GMT 1
My opinion. In no particular order. Brum, Wrexham, Town, Bolton as top 4 Bolton will go up this season, I would’ve thought. Look a very good side. Sorry meant Barnsley |
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Post by Orinoco on May 5, 2024 12:53:47 GMT 1
Bottom end championship clubs and the so called bigger league 1 clubs seem to battle it out for the better lower league players,:money will always win!!.
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Post by royrace on May 5, 2024 12:56:45 GMT 1
How anyone who watched the match yesterday can possibly think we are anywhere near automatic promotion is a complete mystery to me. We need to completely start again, weed out the crap, kick out those who are stealing a wage, develop the promising youngsters and here's the big one.... ... recruit quality players without breaking the bank. There's a ton of work to be done and it's going to take time. Automatic promotion?, you can forget that for a while! I agree, there's a decent nucleus of players there though and also some value if as we expect Helik goes for example it should be a good fee. Needs a quality manager and some shrewd additions. Not easy by any stretch and it needs someone IMO who knows the football league inside out and the players that could help us. Some decent players in L1 and ones that have graced the champ beflore no doubt. Morsy for example and Chaplin at Ipswich, probably categorised as championship has beens but proved if well coached they're more than good enough. Those are perhaps the types of players we need but it needs someone with very good knowledge of the leagues, either DoF, coach or preferably both. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 5, 2024 12:57:12 GMT 1
I see Birmingham as comfortable title favourites as it stands. There are 3 very decent sides competing in the playoffs who I currently wouldn't fancy our chances against. Wrexham will be strong favourites to do well and I wouldn't underestimate Stockport with momentum behind them. Charlton have underachieved, but now have AWG at the helm who has a very good record in the lower leagues, so I'd expect to see them in or around the top 6. People say that league is shit. I'd agree that the bottom third - maybe bottom half - really is shit. But we're no great shakes ourselves. At the moment I'm predicting mid-table for us. Obviously that can change once we know who our manager/head coach is, once transfers in and out have been completed and we - more than most - have a lot of unknowns between now and the start of the season. But I do think a lot of fans are conning themselves into believing we'll piss the league as a way of comforting themselves after relegation. Without huge investment - especially in central and wide midfield - we're unlikely to even challenge for top 6. And a Kazakhstan billionaire has just bought a 90% share in Wycombe. Maybe they'll be up there as strong contenders. Didn't know that. Presumably we'll all be going to Wycombe in our Mankinis now that we have this information. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 5, 2024 12:58:28 GMT 1
I see Birmingham as comfortable title favourites as it stands. There are 3 very decent sides competing in the playoffs who I currently wouldn't fancy our chances against. Wrexham will be strong favourites to do well and I wouldn't underestimate Stockport with momentum behind them. Charlton have underachieved, but now have AWG at the helm who has a very good record in the lower leagues, so I'd expect to see them in or around the top 6. People say that league is shit. I'd agree that the bottom third - maybe bottom half - really is shit. But we're no great shakes ourselves. At the moment I'm predicting mid-table for us. Obviously that can change once we know who our manager/head coach is, once transfers in and out have been completed and we - more than most - have a lot of unknowns between now and the start of the season. But I do think a lot of fans are conning themselves into believing we'll piss the league as a way of comforting themselves after relegation. Without huge investment - especially in central and wide midfield - we're unlikely to even challenge for top 6. Who is AWG? I can only think of something that might be construed as racism so I can't put that Angry Welsh Goblin. |
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Post by benhomly on May 5, 2024 13:10:04 GMT 1
Who is AWG? I can only think of something that might be construed as racism so I can't put that Angry Welsh Goblin. A bit more complimentary than what I came up with  |
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Post by jimmynich on May 5, 2024 13:55:36 GMT 1
This is only season in our entire history that we were unbeaten at home all season....promoted at Leeds Rd beating Newport County 1-0 Wouldn't it be great to actually win a league title again.....I've seen 69/70 and 79/80 but such a long time ago.....we'd have the full set of all 4 divisional titles if we could win 3rd tier |
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Post by Moooooy on May 5, 2024 14:14:29 GMT 1
There's a graphic doing the rounds that shows statistically only 20% of sides relegated from the Championship to League one bounce back in the first season It's sobering but we may need to lower expectations as a fanbase. It's more likely than not that we'll still be in League One in 12 months time Fed up of this club lowering expectations we are a big fish in league one, no way am I lowering my expectations of this club . Too 6 minimum. My expectations are low because of the mess we’re in. We’ve got so much to do over the summer and we’ll need to get 90% of it right to have any hope of challenging next year. We don’t know who the manager is going to be, we need to get rid of a lot of players and we need to bring in a lot of players (most of them for the first 11). When you factor in that the board have fucked up almost every decision since Nagle took over, I’ll be very surprised if we’re in the top 6 at the end of next season. I reckon it’ll take a good 2 or 3 seasons to get to the stage where we can be on the up again. I can see us being lower mid table next season. |
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Post by Ox Terrier on May 5, 2024 14:43:27 GMT 1
Right here, right now, I’d deal at the offer of a mid-table finish in L1. A LOT of works need me to be done to realistically expect higher.
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Post by Tinpot on May 5, 2024 14:57:27 GMT 1
Seeing talk of automatic promotion, I think a lot of people are going to have an unpleasant surprise next season. League 1 has some very decent sides in it. Many of the names may be unfashionable but it's not a pub league.
I'm confident that we'll get our manager situation sorted early. I'm confident that we'll get our recruitment done early and if we do that AND get it right then promotion is a realistic aim. But whilst promotion is a realistic target for us next season, there's about a dozen clubs in that division who will be thinking the same.
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Post by Sio on May 5, 2024 15:00:29 GMT 1
We'll be the second biggest club in the division and I want us to act like it for once.
No denying right now we have basically a total overhaul to sort out, but it should be possible. We should throw our relative weight around.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 5, 2024 15:03:28 GMT 1
If we go into next season thinking mid table will be fine, we'll be lucky to get mid table. You have to aim high.
Remember Wendies & Plymouth massacred that division last year & both only just survived on the last day this season. Ipswich have totally out-performed a lot of expectations but there is no way the first two mentioned are much better than us.
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Post by King Neil on May 5, 2024 15:03:48 GMT 1
I have managed to see 2
Div 4 champions 1979/80
And div 3 promotion1983
Great times at Leeds Road
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Post by billy143 on May 5, 2024 15:04:12 GMT 1
I've seen 3 automatic promotions, 69/70, 79/80 & 82/83 plus 6 Play Off Finals, EFL Trophy Final, League Cup semi final, FA Cup quarter final and a Youth Cup Final.
All that in 56 years, what more can a man ask for?
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Post by King Neil on May 5, 2024 15:06:47 GMT 1
I've seen 3 automatic promotions, 69/70, 79/80 & 82/83 plus 5 Play Off Finals, EFL Trophy Final, League Cup semi final, FA Cup quarter final and a Youth Cup Final. All that in 56 years, what more can a man ask for? Do you mean 56 years supporting? As you would have only been 2 in 1970🤣 I was alive in 1970...born in 69 |
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Post by billy143 on May 5, 2024 15:12:56 GMT 1
I've seen 3 automatic promotions, 69/70, 79/80 & 82/83 plus 5 Play Off Finals, EFL Trophy Final, League Cup semi final, FA Cup quarter final and a Youth Cup Final. All that in 56 years, what more can a man ask for? Do you mean 56 years supporting? As you would have only been 2 in 1970🤣 I was alive in 1970...born in 69 Started supporting in 68 |
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