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Post by pauldaltonsboots on May 12, 2024 11:39:42 GMT 1
Playing out from the back doesn’t mean the football isn’t attacking - it’s just doing it well and at tempo.
Man C, Arsenal etc all do it and it works! And Crawley for example do it and do it well.
It’s about how the manager and players implement it - not just the chosen style. I like watching attacking passing football that builds up from the back, but if done slowly and without purpose and tempo, then it looks dull.
I know I might be in the majority but I really ended the way we played under Corberan
The idea that to be ‘attacking football’ means we have to pump it long at every opportunity doesn’t excite me as a fan tbh
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Post by goodbet on May 12, 2024 11:50:03 GMT 1
Playing out from the back doesn’t mean the football isn’t attacking - it’s just doing it well and at tempo. Man C, Arsenal etc all do it and it works! And Crawley for example do it and do it well. It’s about how the manager and players implement it - not just the chosen style. I like watching attacking passing football that builds up from the back, but if done slowly and without purpose and tempo, then it looks dull. I know I might be in the majority but I really ended the way we played under Corberan The idea that to be ‘attacking football’ means we have to pump it long at every opportunity doesn’t excite me as a fan tbh I agree with you, but the kicker is that you need the players with the ability to play to this style. First of all you need players who can pass, we don't. Then you need players that want the ball, that move in to positions where they are available to receive a pass. Maybe because we have struggled so much over recent years more than a few of our players hide behind the opposition players because they don't have any confidence. We need a complete team rebuild similar to Wagner era and I can't see us doing that. |
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Post by dezzly on May 12, 2024 12:18:05 GMT 1
Playing out from the back doesn’t mean the football isn’t attacking - it’s just doing it well and at tempo. Man C, Arsenal etc all do it and it works! And Crawley for example do it and do it well. It’s about how the manager and players implement it - not just the chosen style. I like watching attacking passing football that builds up from the back, but if done slowly and without purpose and tempo, then it looks dull. I know I might be in the majority but I really ended the way we played under Corberan The idea that to be ‘attacking football’ means we have to pump it long at every opportunity doesn’t excite me as a fan tbh I’d like to see us have a team that play attacking football also.But you can’t be doing that for the full 90minutes. As a fan base we have a tendency to be very impatient when there’s more of a build up phase.That said that is probably because when we do it there doesn’t seem any purpose,it’s done slowly and as a team as a whole we end up losing the ball so regularly. I’d be after a team that when they get the opportunity they pass and move well,the movement is as important as the quality of the passing,we’ve had neither for ages.If it’s on,play out from the back,if it’s not go more direct,but not aimlessly.We need a mixture of qualities up top to do both and probably also in midfield. Just be better than we have been I recent years because the football for the most part has been dreadful.Noine asking for Barcelona just look like you’re professionals 😂 |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on May 12, 2024 12:46:08 GMT 1
Who really cares about tactics when the results are there as they were with Corberan? If a team is winning then the vast majority of fans will be happy whatever style is played. That wasn't what I was getting at. I was comparing Rosenior's tactics to Corberan's tactics. The way his Hull side played against us down here reminded me of how Corberan played. Anti-football. yet they scored 20 goals more than us in the league and conceded 17 fewer. Oh, and finished 16 places higher. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 12, 2024 12:48:10 GMT 1
That wasn't what I was getting at. I was comparing Rosenior's tactics to Corberan's tactics. The way his Hull side played against us down here reminded me of how Corberan played. Anti-football. yet they scored 20 goals more than us in the league and conceded 17 fewer. Oh, and finished 16 places higher. And your point is? |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on May 12, 2024 12:54:46 GMT 1
yet they scored 20 goals more than us in the league and conceded 17 fewer. Oh, and finished 16 places higher. And your point is? My point is it was clearly effective. You've juat mentioned two managers who fin9shed in the top 7. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 12, 2024 13:01:35 GMT 1
My point is it was clearly effective. You've juat mentioned two managers who fin9shed in the top 7. I'm not disagreeing. |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on May 12, 2024 13:29:46 GMT 1
Playing out from the back doesn’t mean the football isn’t attacking - it’s just doing it well and at tempo. Man C, Arsenal etc all do it and it works! And Crawley for example do it and do it well. It’s about how the manager and players implement it - not just the chosen style. I like watching attacking passing football that builds up from the back, but if done slowly and without purpose and tempo, then it looks dull. I know I might be in the majority but I really ended the way we played under Corberan The idea that to be ‘attacking football’ means we have to pump it long at every opportunity doesn’t excite me as a fan tbh I agree with you, but the kicker is that you need the players with the ability to play to this style. First of all you need players who can pass, we don't. Then you need players that want the ball, that move in to positions where they are available to receive a pass. Maybe because we have struggled so much over recent years more than a few of our players hide behind the opposition players because they don't have any confidence. We need a complete team rebuild similar to Wagner era and I can't see us doing that. Absolutely, as sh1t as it is getting relegated - we should now look medium to long term as a club. The fear of relegation in the championship maybe prevented that. Culturally on and off the pitch we need a complete reset. It isn’t an overnight job, but we need to pick a philosophy and culture we want and then hire and embed that and stick with the plan even if results are not immediate. The Wagner promo season was amazing because of the culture, the bond with the fans, the players fighting for each and being good guys. Get that stuff right and we will be happy and winning will more likely follow. Crazy to think we only scored 8 goals less this season than the Wagner promo year! It’s not just what you do, it is how you do it. Yes we all want to win, but even better if we can do it the right way |
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on May 12, 2024 13:42:05 GMT 1
For those wanting Nigel Pearson I’d suggest you look at the reasons given by the Bristol City chairman for sacking him in October. Primarily players being given too much time off and not being conditioned well enough (fit enough). Sound familiar. Just what we don’t need.
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Post by Terriersmad on May 12, 2024 14:12:48 GMT 1
I agree with you, but the kicker is that you need the players with the ability to play to this style. First of all you need players who can pass, we don't. Then you need players that want the ball, that move in to positions where they are available to receive a pass. Maybe because we have struggled so much over recent years more than a few of our players hide behind the opposition players because they don't have any confidence. We need a complete team rebuild similar to Wagner era and I can't see us doing that. Absolutely, as sh1t as it is getting relegated - we should now look medium to long term as a club. The fear of relegation in the championship maybe prevented that. Culturally on and off the pitch we need a complete reset. It isn’t an overnight job, but we need to pick a philosophy and culture we want and then hire and embed that and stick with the plan even if results are not immediate. The Wagner promo season was amazing because of the culture, the bond with the fans, the players fighting for each and being good guys. Get that stuff right and we will be happy and winning will more likely follow. Crazy to think we only scored 8 goals less this season than the Wagner promo year! It’s not just what you do, it is how you do it. Yes we all want to win, but even better if we can do it the right way We've been very short term for some time. Literally every transfer window was addressing glaring weaknesses rather than building something more for the future. Part of that has been down to limited budgets, part of it down to injuries. But lacking that over-arching culture as you say has meant bringing in players for a here and now that has subsequently been and gone within six months. Think Martyn Waghorn. Even in 2021/22 we were doing that with the Carel Eitings and Jamal Blackmans of the world. And a huge part of that was the ownership issue, of someone who wasn't our owner putting the money in to support the club while it wasn't his to decide strategy, etc, knowing the sale of the club was an aim, so no point him having that strategy when someone new could treat the club as a blank canvas. And it's bitten us on the backside. |
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Post by Orinoco on May 12, 2024 16:02:26 GMT 1
This constant searching for managers has now got to the point to say fook it, football has become a joke, hello Rugby league and ice hockey!!
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Post by Lovechops on May 12, 2024 17:10:26 GMT 1
This constant searching for managers has now got to the point to say fook it, football has become a joke, hello Rugby league and ice hockey!! Teams in both them sports also have turnovers of staff ! Players leaving league for a few seasons for the money in Union etc . It's the same in all sports |
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Post by Orinoco on May 12, 2024 17:13:34 GMT 1
This constant searching for managers has now got to the point to say fook it, football has become a joke, hello Rugby league and ice hockey!! Teams in both them sports also have turnovers of staff ! Players leaving league for a few seasons for the money in Union etc . It's the same in all sports How many managers has Sir Kenneth Davey sacked in his tenure as owner of the RL club? |
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Post by jqhtfc on May 12, 2024 17:19:05 GMT 1
Teams in both them sports also have turnovers of staff ! Players leaving league for a few seasons for the money in Union etc . It's the same in all sports How many managers has Sir Kenneth Davey sacked in his tenure as owner of the RL club? Bit different in RL though when it’s pretty much a closed shop and you allow a coach to try properly build a team |
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Post by kjf on May 12, 2024 17:21:24 GMT 1
Rosenior most likely
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Post by htafcokay on May 12, 2024 17:22:09 GMT 1
Teams in both them sports also have turnovers of staff ! Players leaving league for a few seasons for the money in Union etc . It's the same in all sports How many managers has Sir Kenneth Davey sacked in his tenure as owner of the RL club? During his five years in charge, Davy appointed three managers. Kevin Nagle has appointed three managers in his first year. |
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Post by theterrier42 on May 12, 2024 17:28:58 GMT 1
We just need castlehillterrier to tell us who it is so we can stop with all these random names
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on May 12, 2024 17:33:58 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 12, 2024 17:46:18 GMT 1
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Post by Tinpot on May 12, 2024 17:47:45 GMT 1
How many managers has Sir Kenneth Davey sacked in his tenure as owner of the RL club? During his five years in charge, Davy appointed three managers. Kevin Nagle has appointed three managers in his first year. And it'll be 4 in the first year assuming the new guy is in place before 22nd June. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 12, 2024 17:48:21 GMT 1
During his five years in charge, Davy appointed three managers. Kevin Nagle has appointed three managers in his first year. And it'll be 4 in the first year assuming the new guy is in place before 22nd June. We're in good hands. |
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Post by willo on May 12, 2024 19:06:02 GMT 1
It was Dave Challinor 24 hours ago, make your mind up. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on May 12, 2024 19:13:29 GMT 1
We just need castlehillterrier to tell us who it is so we can stop with all these random names Yup. It's giving me a haddock now. |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on May 12, 2024 19:17:30 GMT 1
Rosenior would be worth a contract surely.
Finished 7th in the championship
And the 6 above you’d have definitely said should have 100% finished above .
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Post by rockwall on May 12, 2024 19:28:04 GMT 1
Rosenior would be worth a contract surely. Finished 7th in the championship And the 6 above you’d have definitely said should have 100% finished above . But he has a negative approach. Can you imagine the cried in League 1 setting up negatively. I really really don't see the hype. His tactics are very much Darren Moore. |
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Post by uw2ba on May 12, 2024 20:05:53 GMT 1
What about Jay from the inbetweeners?
He took woking from the conference to the champions league in six seasons
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Post by Carlito Brigante on May 12, 2024 20:10:58 GMT 1
How many managers has Sir Kenneth Davey sacked in his tenure as owner of the RL club? During his five years in charge, Davy appointed three managers. Kevin Nagle has appointed three managers in his first year. Davy was never particularly interested in the football side of things when he owned the club Happy to just keep it ticking over at minimum cost The Andy Ritchie era was bloody awful |
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Post by htafcokay on May 12, 2024 20:15:05 GMT 1
During his five years in charge, Davy appointed three managers. Kevin Nagle has appointed three managers in his first year. Davy was never particularly interested in the football side of things when he owned the club Happy to just keep it ticking over at minimum cost The Andy Ritchie era was bloody awful It was, but at least we had the high point of an FA Cup run. |
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Post by incognito on May 12, 2024 20:26:48 GMT 1
Gabriel Sutton generally delivers pretty good insight on EFL matters. Should we be looking at poaching somebody already in a job, his 'Top Five Managers of The Season' lists may be of interest to some: League TwoLeague OneChampionship (Purely for info. Spoiler: Darren didn't make it) The lad certainly knows his stuff  |
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Post by Orinoco on May 12, 2024 22:58:50 GMT 1
How many managers has Sir Kenneth Davey sacked in his tenure as owner of the RL club? During his five years in charge, Davy appointed three managers. Kevin Nagle has appointed three managers in his first year. Said during his time as giants chairman!!, a club can't just keep ridding managers when the going gets tough!, this club has struggled for years and next season will be no different due to the "talented players" that are still on the books, yet another manager has to try and make this lot into a winning team, quite a lot of fans are taking a season out for this reason, and probably the other reason is being totally peed off with the garbage served up year on year from these players who seem to have been around as long as a ration book in the war years!! |
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