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Post by kennyk2 on May 14, 2024 9:42:47 GMT 1
Article from the Yorkshire Post on Duff from when he was at Barnsley: MICHAEL Duff and Sean Dyche share a lot more in common than being former centre-halves and individuals held in high regard by Burnley supporters. It extends beyond being great friends as well. Not many League One bosses can pick up the telephone and speak to an experienced Premier League manager just like that. Barnsley chief Duff is someone who can. Dyche - who worked wonders during his time at Turf Moor - is currently between jobs. At some point in the future, a struggling top-flight club is likely to beat a path to his door and offer him employment, such is his outstanding track record operating with comparatively modest resources at the Clarets. He has already popped down to Oakwell to catch up with Duff this season at Barnsley, a proud and defiant one-town club like Burnley. Like Dyche - who gave his Burnley players a questionnaire to complete anonymously in order to get their honest view of the existing culture at the club when he arrived in 2012 - Duff is big on core values. His guiding principles revolve around hard work and humility and he won’t tolerate players with egos. His players, like Dyche's at Burnley, aren't allowed to wear caps when they walk into the ground on match-days or don headphones either for instance. On the pitch, like Burnley during much of Dyche's era, Duff's Barnsley side are also well organised, hard to beat and defensively robust.The eighth-placed Reds have the joint best defensive record in League One with Bolton. The Oakwell outfit have amassed eight clean sheets already, the latest arriving at Shrewsbury on Saturday, and have conceded just one away goal in the second half of matches so far in 2022-23. They are the sort of statistics that command respect and would go down well with Dyche. Duff, a player under Dyche at Burnley before moving into the coaching realm after hanging up his boots, told The Yorkshire Post: "He came up quite early in the season. I speak to him quite regularly. "I was supposed to go down and have lunch with him (recently) and he is someone I seek counsel from a lot. He has been there and done it and I have got a lot of respect for him. He tells it like it is and won't fluff things up good, bad or indifferent. "I still consider myself a young manager, although I might not look it! Most things I have asked him about, he has already experienced. It is quite funny but sometimes we have conversations and he starts laughing. He says stuff like: 'You realise that was you (as a player) once' and 'how do I deal with this idiot here.' So that's why you are always careful to not be hypocritical as I was a young player once." When it comes to Dyche, there are many nuances and plenty beneath the crew-cut and gravel-voiced exterior, according to Duff. His man-management and not just his organisational qualities as a coach have made the biggest impression upon the Barnsley chief as much as anything and he has picked up plenty in that regard. He continued: "I am four years and 200 games in. He (Dyche) has been good to me from the very first. "I left Burnley to go to Cheltenham and didn't win a game for ten games and in that time, I probably spoke to him - if not every day, every other day. "He just told me to keep sticking to what I believe in and keep working hard and don't try and cut corners. It worked for him and me as players. "Because similar to me, he wasn't a great player. "In terms of man-management and psychology, he is as good as there is in the business in my opinion. "He knows how to get the best out of a group of people. I don't know it all and it is why I ask the staff regularly. “It is impossible that I can always be right and sometimes, I will bounce a few ideas off him and sometimes, he will say: 'I think you are overthinking it, get on with it' or 'what about thinking of this?'. On his other influences, Duff said: "There's two or three people. John Ward is my LMA (League Managers' Association) manager and mentor and I have learned things from him. Steve Cotterill is also someone I learned a lot of in the early part of my career and someone I spoke to a lot at Cheltenham." Duff's Reds took the spoils at Cotterill's Shrewsbury in a game in which the term 'hard-fought' was made for. Right up to the moment late on when there was a flare-up after Brad Collins was fouled. Barnsley's players stuck up for each other and protected their own. It's the sort of thing that Duff - and no doubt Dyche - appreciate. Duff added: "Our lads protected their mate, then their lads protected their own. I would expect nothing else. It’s 94 minutes in. "We don’t want our lads in melees all the time, but we want them to stick together.” "...won’t tolerate players with egos." See ya Sorba  "aren't allowed to wear caps when they walk into the ground on match-days or don headphones either for instance". Josh... you're gonna have to hum to yourself. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on May 14, 2024 9:42:49 GMT 1
Do we know anything of his coaching staff? Does he have same people around him at each club? Our very own Martin Paterson was his assistant at Barnsley and Swansea, he's currently having a stinker at Burton but appears that he will still be in charge next season so maybe a new number two. |
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Post by Dan on May 14, 2024 9:42:50 GMT 1
Out of interest, does anyone know the last manager we had who was poached by another team? Ignoring Corberan as he technically resigned/was sacked(?) Bill Shankly in 1959. It is mental that. When VP posed that question I thought that it definitely hasn't happened in my lifetime supporting Town (mid-90's). Obviously we came very close with Wagner angling for a move a few times. There can't be many other clubs in English football that has not had a manager poached from them in 65 years?! |
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Post by htafcokay on May 14, 2024 9:49:23 GMT 1
It is mental that. When VP posed that question I thought that it definitely hasn't happened in my lifetime supporting Town (mid-90's). Obviously we came very close with Wagner angling for a move a few times. There can't be many other clubs in English football that has not had a manager poached from them in 65 years?! It's only happened twice. Herbert Chapman in 1925 and Shankly in 1959. Shankly actually agreed to join Liverpool on 1st Dec 1959, but the Town board refused to let him go straight away and insisted he stayed until 31st Dec 1959. Eventually, after a week, they agreed to let him leave. Arthur Fairclough left for Leeds in 1919, as part of the failed merger, but didn't become manager there until 1920. |
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Post by crux on May 14, 2024 10:17:26 GMT 1
Article from the Yorkshire Post on Duff from when he was at Barnsley: MICHAEL Duff and Sean Dyche share a lot more in common than being former centre-halves and individuals held in high regard by Burnley supporters. It extends beyond being great friends as well. Not many League One bosses can pick up the telephone and speak to an experienced Premier League manager just like that. Barnsley chief Duff is someone who can. Dyche - who worked wonders during his time at Turf Moor - is currently between jobs. At some point in the future, a struggling top-flight club is likely to beat a path to his door and offer him employment, such is his outstanding track record operating with comparatively modest resources at the Clarets. He has already popped down to Oakwell to catch up with Duff this season at Barnsley, a proud and defiant one-town club like Burnley. Like Dyche - who gave his Burnley players a questionnaire to complete anonymously in order to get their honest view of the existing culture at the club when he arrived in 2012 - Duff is big on core values. His guiding principles revolve around hard work and humility and he won’t tolerate players with egos. His players, like Dyche's at Burnley, aren't allowed to wear caps when they walk into the ground on match-days or don headphones either for instance. On the pitch, like Burnley during much of Dyche's era, Duff's Barnsley side are also well organised, hard to beat and defensively robust.The eighth-placed Reds have the joint best defensive record in League One with Bolton. The Oakwell outfit have amassed eight clean sheets already, the latest arriving at Shrewsbury on Saturday, and have conceded just one away goal in the second half of matches so far in 2022-23. They are the sort of statistics that command respect and would go down well with Dyche. Duff, a player under Dyche at Burnley before moving into the coaching realm after hanging up his boots, told The Yorkshire Post: "He came up quite early in the season. I speak to him quite regularly. "I was supposed to go down and have lunch with him (recently) and he is someone I seek counsel from a lot. He has been there and done it and I have got a lot of respect for him. He tells it like it is and won't fluff things up good, bad or indifferent. "I still consider myself a young manager, although I might not look it! Most things I have asked him about, he has already experienced. It is quite funny but sometimes we have conversations and he starts laughing. He says stuff like: 'You realise that was you (as a player) once' and 'how do I deal with this idiot here.' So that's why you are always careful to not be hypocritical as I was a young player once." When it comes to Dyche, there are many nuances and plenty beneath the crew-cut and gravel-voiced exterior, according to Duff. His man-management and not just his organisational qualities as a coach have made the biggest impression upon the Barnsley chief as much as anything and he has picked up plenty in that regard. He continued: "I am four years and 200 games in. He (Dyche) has been good to me from the very first. "I left Burnley to go to Cheltenham and didn't win a game for ten games and in that time, I probably spoke to him - if not every day, every other day. "He just told me to keep sticking to what I believe in and keep working hard and don't try and cut corners. It worked for him and me as players. "Because similar to me, he wasn't a great player. "In terms of man-management and psychology, he is as good as there is in the business in my opinion. "He knows how to get the best out of a group of people. I don't know it all and it is why I ask the staff regularly. “It is impossible that I can always be right and sometimes, I will bounce a few ideas off him and sometimes, he will say: 'I think you are overthinking it, get on with it' or 'what about thinking of this?'. On his other influences, Duff said: "There's two or three people. John Ward is my LMA (League Managers' Association) manager and mentor and I have learned things from him. Steve Cotterill is also someone I learned a lot of in the early part of my career and someone I spoke to a lot at Cheltenham." Duff's Reds took the spoils at Cotterill's Shrewsbury in a game in which the term 'hard-fought' was made for. Right up to the moment late on when there was a flare-up after Brad Collins was fouled. Barnsley's players stuck up for each other and protected their own. It's the sort of thing that Duff - and no doubt Dyche - appreciate. Duff added: "Our lads protected their mate, then their lads protected their own. I would expect nothing else. It’s 94 minutes in. "We don’t want our lads in melees all the time, but we want them to stick together.” "...won’t tolerate players with egos." See ya Sorba "aren't allowed to wear caps when they walk into the ground on match-days or don headphones either for instance". Josh... you're gonna have to hum to yourself. As I read the article, those were the two bits I picked out as well AND I pictured the same players 🤔🤣 |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 14, 2024 10:26:23 GMT 1
Looks a good appointment to me
Knows the league we're in. Has had success at two clubs - so it would appear to have methods that work with different dressing rooms
He's managed 100's of games but is still young and the right profile for a 3 year project etc
Has had a set back - most managers have one. He will have learned and probably a better manager for it
Also love that he's in already. He's had 5 months to recharge and I bet he's chomping on the bit to get started. It's a busy summer and we need someone recharged and enthusiastic for challenge. Duff should be just that
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Post by nicovaesen on May 14, 2024 10:27:09 GMT 1
It is mental that. When VP posed that question I thought that it definitely hasn't happened in my lifetime supporting Town (mid-90's). Obviously we came very close with Wagner angling for a move a few times. There can't be many other clubs in English football that has not had a manager poached from them in 65 years?! It's only happened twice. Herbert Chapman in 1925 and Shankly in 1959. Shankly actually agreed to join Liverpool on 1st Dec 1959, but the Town board refused to let him go straight away and insisted he stayed until 31st Dec 1959. Eventually, after a week, they agreed to let him leave. Arthur Fairclough left for Leeds in 1919, as part of the failed merger, but didn't become manager there until 1920. If you were only to have two poached they’re a pretty high standard to have been poached imho of course. |
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Post by richhtfc on May 14, 2024 10:29:08 GMT 1
Looks a good appointment to me Knows the league we're in. Has had success at two clubs - so it would appear to have methods that work He's managed 100's of games but is still young and the right profile for a 3 year project etc Has had a set back - most managers have one. He will have learned and probably a better manager for it Also love that he's in already. He's had 5 months to recharge and I bet he's chomping on the bit to get started. It's a busy summer and we need someone recharged and enthusiastic for challenge. Duff should be just that Agree, I have a good feeling about him, he’s young, hungry to do well and appears to have waited for an opportunity that appealed to him rather than jumping into the next available role. I think the fact he’s had a difficult time at Swansea will mean he’ll be determined to prove himself again. |
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Post by huddshroom on May 14, 2024 10:30:32 GMT 1
It is mental that. When VP posed that question I thought that it definitely hasn't happened in my lifetime supporting Town (mid-90's). Obviously we came very close with Wagner angling for a move a few times. There can't be many other clubs in English football that has not had a manager poached from them in 65 years?! Phil Parkinson got poached before he did the press conference |
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Post by sapphireblue on May 14, 2024 10:30:35 GMT 1
It always used to be Blue and White Army didn't it? Much prefer that! Think it changed when Warnock came back for some reason? Yes definitely And for fooks sake It's...ooh to be a Terrier!! Not..ooh to be a!! That was a song by 80,s band kajagoogoo Finish the fucking song!!!! It would work brilliantly as a call and reply chant. Like left-side, right-side. |
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Post by whatanother1 on May 14, 2024 10:35:45 GMT 1
When is the press conference 🤔
Or don't press turn up for them in league 1?
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 14, 2024 10:51:19 GMT 1
Seems like the majority seem to think he's a bit of a mercenary. But so what. If he gets us up, then up again (or at least the start of competing at the top end) I couldn't care less. It's not as if we haven't had mercenaries as managers [cough Carlos cough] and players [cough Pritchard cough] before. If they do a good job while they're here then expect interest from above. FFS even clubs like Manure, Chelski and Arse get their managers and players poached, why should Town (or Barnsley) be any different? In each job he's taken it's been to better his career. Wonder if the Barnsley fans called him a mercenary when they poached him from Cheltenham? Most wouldn't have complained if he chose to go back there. It's part an parcel (or is it partial 🤔🤣) of football that if your club does well then your manager/players might get 'poached' by bigger clubs. A big part of it is whether they outgrow the club, if the clubs ambition and willingness to develop aren't there (or the resources to support it) then the managers move. Can't think of many examples where the clubs get promoted and are prepared to spend and push on, that the managers leave. Nearly always comes down to lack of support and ambition. If KN is true to his word about wanting premier league and doing everything to get there then Duff will probably have a great chance with us next year, in a team he's already built and developed. (This is an important reason I like duff. His team's show development year on year. Unlike AB who had a good first year but seemed to fail the next year) If Duff doesn't get us promoted then he won't be poached, he won't been seen as successful. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 14, 2024 10:52:51 GMT 1
Do we know anything of his coaching staff? Does he have same people around him at each club? Our very own Martin Paterson was his assistant at Barnsley and Swansea, he's currently having a stinker at Burton but appears that he will still be in charge next season so maybe a new number two. Expecting a recently retired Burnley lad whose at the beginning of his coaching/managing career. |
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Post by hgterrier on May 14, 2024 10:55:57 GMT 1
So. Is he moving up to Huddersfield or staying in Cheltenham?
Seeing as that seemed to be the big issue in whether we appoint him or not.
Anybody heard?
(I don't give a flying shit either way so I don't know why I'm even asking.)
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Post by ram on May 14, 2024 10:59:19 GMT 1
I notice several on here are referring to Duff as the Manager,he isn,t,the club site clearly states he is the new Head Coach! and Cartwright is the DOF.so he will still be in charge of player and other recruitment. Will Duff be able to veto his suggestions?
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Post by runner76 on May 14, 2024 11:10:00 GMT 1
So. Is he moving up to Huddersfield or staying in Cheltenham? Seeing as that seemed to be the big issue in whether we appoint him or not. Anybody heard? (I don't give a flying shit either way so I don't know why I'm even asking.) Would assume he will come up for some of the working week (assuming not 7 days?) and then back home......not a commute you can do daily or regularly |
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Post by jackys on May 14, 2024 11:10:55 GMT 1
It does kind of feels like we interviewed him back in February then appointed Andre but we told him we'd keep his CV for future and now the jobs available again we've gone back to him rather than having a proper look at the coaching market and seeing who was interested. I hope it was a smart decision rather than a rushed one and keen to see what style of football he will be implementing.
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Post by Big Ern on May 14, 2024 11:14:16 GMT 1
It does kind of feels like we interviewed him back in February then appointed Andre but we told him we'd keep his CV for future and now the jobs available again we've gone back to him rather than having a proper look at the coaching market and seeing who was interested. I hope it was a smart decision rather than a rushed one and keen to see what style of football he will be implementing. I don't see that as being rushed, if anything more measured. You can bet your bottom dollar that the club have been talking to him for a while, definitely since the Birmingham game. I have a really good feeling about him. I can't really say anything negative. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2024 11:18:12 GMT 1
Seems like the majority seem to think he's a bit of a mercenary. But so what. If he gets us up, then up again (or at least the start of competing at the top end) I couldn't care less. It's not as if we haven't had mercenaries as managers [cough Carlos cough] and players [cough Pritchard cough] before. If they do a good job while they're here then expect interest from above. FFS even clubs like Manure, Chelski and Arse get their managers and players poached, why should Town (or Barnsley) be any different? He had a fairly rapid rise. 3 season at Cheltenham, I think, then Barnsley brought him in and Swansea saw his potential and for him it must have seemed like a brilliant career move. Better squad, regular Championship and aspirations for the Premiership, better funding. He was bound to be tempted. Not sure he thinks the grass is always greener now, that was probably a reality check for him. I don’t see that as mercenary myself. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 14, 2024 11:20:49 GMT 1
It is mental that. When VP posed that question I thought that it definitely hasn't happened in my lifetime supporting Town (mid-90's). Obviously we came very close with Wagner angling for a move a few times. There can't be many other clubs in English football that has not had a manager poached from them in 65 years?! Phil Parkinson got poached before he did the press conference Didn't he just renege on the deal & stay where he was, rather than poached? Another one for the history books of course, the empty chair interview... That would have been TV gold if that were played out on Netflix... ;-) |
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Post by King Neil on May 14, 2024 11:28:36 GMT 1
It does kind of feels like we interviewed him back in February then appointed Andre but we told him we'd keep his CV for future and now the jobs available again we've gone back to him rather than having a proper look at the coaching market and seeing who was interested. I hope it was a smart decision rather than a rushed one and keen to see what style of football he will be implementing. I don't see that as being rushed, if anything more measured. You can bet your bottom dollar that the club have been talking to him for a while, definitely since the Birmingham game. I have a really good feeling about him. I can't really say anything negative. I have the same gut feeling too Another bloke who comes across well in the media..and more importantly we have hired a man with experience of this division...worry about the championship when we get back there |
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Post by townarentbest on May 14, 2024 11:31:02 GMT 1
It always used to be Blue and White Army didn't it? Much prefer that! Think it changed when Warnock came back for some reason? 2 different chants. Barmy army has always been for a manager Peter Jacksons barmy army etc. Then there is. We're the blue and white army. To the tune of seven nation army. Always Blue & White army in both scenarios for me, since the 1980's, and I've always been reasonably sure thats what people around me are chanting too! |
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Post by irverino on May 14, 2024 11:32:57 GMT 1
When is the press conference 🤔 Or don't press turn up for them in league 1? Oggy mentioned he would be talking to MD at some point this week..........Probably Friday, L33DS play (crash out of the play offs) on Thursday. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2024 11:34:16 GMT 1
I notice several on here are referring to Duff as the Manager,he isn,t,the club site clearly states he is the new Head Coach! and Cartwright is the DOF.so he will still be in charge of player and other recruitment. Will Duff be able to veto his suggestions? Let’s hope it’s done by discussion and cooperation. |
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Post by CowshedJack on May 14, 2024 11:34:35 GMT 1
Hopefully we get a new back line, Duff plays 3-5-2 counter attacking football. It’s not hoof ball at all, but it’s pretty direct with a high line. I can’t watch Pearson shanking it out when trying a 20 yard pass every week and then too slow to get back.
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Post by incognito on May 14, 2024 11:34:37 GMT 1
Seems like the majority seem to think he's a bit of a mercenary. But so what. If he gets us up, then up again (or at least the start of competing at the top end) I couldn't care less. It's not as if we haven't had mercenaries as managers [cough Carlos cough] and players [cough Pritchard cough] before. If they do a good job while they're here then expect interest from above. FFS even clubs like Manure, Chelski and Arse get their managers and players poached, why should Town (or Barnsley) be any different? The search function on the Barnsley forum wipes the floor with ours. You can get a better feel for what they thought about him from some of the threads prior to him leaving for Swansea: 09/04/23: Duff to Uddersfield11/04/23: 300 Days of Duff29/05/23: Duff16/06/23: Duff linked to Swansea |
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Post by jackys on May 14, 2024 11:34:50 GMT 1
It does kind of feels like we interviewed him back in February then appointed Andre but we told him we'd keep his CV for future and now the jobs available again we've gone back to him rather than having a proper look at the coaching market and seeing who was interested. I hope it was a smart decision rather than a rushed one and keen to see what style of football he will be implementing. I don't see that as being rushed, if anything more measured. You can bet your bottom dollar that the club have been talking to him for a while, definitely since the Birmingham game. I have a really good feeling about him. I can't really say anything negative. Me too in terms of having a good feeling about him, he took over with Barnsley on the back of their relegation and got them a game away from promotion so he knows what to do and should have more hunger this time round after losing at Wembley last year. I think had we appointed him back in Feb it would have been questioned a lot more but makes more sense with us now being a League One club. |
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Post by Bubbles on May 14, 2024 11:35:15 GMT 1
It always used to be Blue and White Army didn't it? Much prefer that! Think it changed when Warnock came back for some reason? Yes definitely And for fooks sake It's...ooh to be a Terrier!! Not..ooh to be a!! That was a song by 80,s band kajagoogoo Finish the fucking song!!!! Yes that annoys me as well..I always finish it! |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 14, 2024 11:35:45 GMT 1
We have strikers But none know how to shoot Think we need stickers to actually shoot and mybe score 🤔 Healey will rinse this league Hope so ern. cant help but remember a similar thing being said about Mbenza though when we came down from the PL!! |
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Post by CowshedJack on May 14, 2024 11:36:01 GMT 1
So. Is he moving up to Huddersfield or staying in Cheltenham? Seeing as that seemed to be the big issue in whether we appoint him or not. Anybody heard? (I don't give a flying shit either way so I don't know why I'm even asking.) Steven Chicken reported he’ll have temporary accommodation while up here, so hopefully a better split than Swansea where he spent 5 days down south and 2 in Swansea. |
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