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Post by Terriersmad on May 16, 2024 8:26:18 GMT 1
I just expect him to be able to pass to his teammates, but even that seems beyond him. I forget which game but it was at home where he broke from our half down the right and squared it to, I think it was Burgzorg, for an early goal. Good break and the right decision plus a good final pass. He can do it with the right coaching and better players around him. Bristol City. Great goal, all from Kasumu's strong running and decision-making. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 16, 2024 9:11:59 GMT 1
Does he do tricks and stuff? Or tell a few gags before they go out? If he’d played with us and just scored less than a third of those goals in games we drew this past season, we wouldn’t now be preparing for life in Division 3. There’s a few goals left in him which could help us be contenders for automatic promotion or playoffs. He’s a positive character and mentor to the youngsters. So it's all ifs and buts then. Let's move on and sign some younger, and quite frankly, better players rather than offering new contracts to 34-year-olds that have flattered to deceive since they've been here. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on May 16, 2024 9:32:25 GMT 1
Rhodes shouldn't have been carted off last season without an adequate replacement. I do think he could have scored us a few goals especially in some of those draws under Moore. However would I try get him t sign on for this year, I probably would as can still do a job in lg 1, however can't see duff wanting him doesn't suit the high press style. With the benefit of hindsight we were daft to let him go out on loan. So many times last season we were starting matches without a recognised striker in the matchday squad. He was amongst the top scorers in league 1 before his injury mid season. But Town have got a lot of strikers still under contract and we probably could do with freeing up some of those wages due to reduced revenue etc now we're in league one. He won't be first choice at Town and if I was him I'd rather play every week at a Club like Blackpool or say Wigan than sit on Town's bench. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 16, 2024 9:45:35 GMT 1
Let's look at Hogg another way - if he'd been at Birmingham 10 years and was on the market, would we want to sign him? Highly doubt it and the midfield is the weakest area of our squad currently.
So why would we re-sign him? It's time for a re-set, no room for sentiment.
He's been a brilliant player for us, was a key part of the promotion team and deserved a proper send off with a standing ovation from the fans. But he's not what we need going forward, so let's move on and at least give him a great send off online and in the media.
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Post by exberlinerterrier on May 16, 2024 10:17:42 GMT 1
Rhodes shouldn't have been carted off last season without an adequate replacement. I do think he could have scored us a few goals especially in some of those draws under Moore. However would I try get him t sign on for this year, I probably would as can still do a job in lg 1, however can't see duff wanting him doesn't suit the high press style. I wouldn't offer a contract myself, but if we were to offer one I'd not be against it for those reasons. He can't play the high press, but he's the best pure goalscorer you'll see at that level. He gets a yard, he scores. Quite a lot - there's nobody currently active in English football who can better his 242 career goals. Even allowing for his recent slow-down and cameo-based roles, it's a ludicrous number of goals. Even at 34, he offers something significant to someone. That being said, we have Healey - who is definitely a poacher - and Radulovic - who has the hallmarks of Jordan Rhodes a few years ago even if we've only seen small glimpses. We need another option, another style of player. The rough, tough target man who doesn't necessarily score all that many but who creates space and roughs up defences, or a pest who harries and chases every lost cause - or both. That's why I'm willing to let us say our goodbyes to Rhodes and proceed with the Radulovic experiment. If we get our recruitment right, I would expect us to be much better at creating decent goalscoring chances next season, and that's where Radulovic would come in handy (in the same way Rhodes would). If we started the season with Healey, Ward, Radulovic and one other new striker - would take a big lump who might not score loads but could at least handle League 1 centre backs, then I think we'd have a decent balance. |
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Post by H6dds on May 16, 2024 10:23:15 GMT 1
I'm not sure which players have contracts running out but wouldn't offer anyone a new contract. We need to clear out as many as possible and any player with a contract will be hard to get rid.
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Post by thomo on May 16, 2024 10:24:49 GMT 1
Let's look at Hogg another way - if he'd been at Birmingham 10 years and was on the market, would we want to sign him? Highly doubt it and the midfield is the weakest area of our squad currently. So why would we re-sign him? It's time for a re-set, no room for sentiment. He's been a brilliant player for us, was a key part of the promotion team and deserved a proper send off with a standing ovation from the fans. But he's not what we need going forward, so let's move on and at least give him a great send off online and in the media. You're probably right but we all know he'll be offered a deal. Just hope it's one year on reduced terms so as to not eat up a big chunk of our budget. Still I'd rather it be Danny Ward out of contract - that would be an easy decision to make |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 16, 2024 10:36:04 GMT 1
I wouldn't offer a contract myself, but if we were to offer one I'd not be against it for those reasons. He can't play the high press, but he's the best pure goalscorer you'll see at that level. He gets a yard, he scores. Quite a lot - there's nobody currently active in English football who can better his 242 career goals. Even allowing for his recent slow-down and cameo-based roles, it's a ludicrous number of goals. Even at 34, he offers something significant to someone. That being said, we have Healey - who is definitely a poacher - and Radulovic - who has the hallmarks of Jordan Rhodes a few years ago even if we've only seen small glimpses. We need another option, another style of player. The rough, tough target man who doesn't necessarily score all that many but who creates space and roughs up defences, or a pest who harries and chases every lost cause - or both. That's why I'm willing to let us say our goodbyes to Rhodes and proceed with the Radulovic experiment. If we get our recruitment right, I would expect us to be much better at creating decent goalscoring chances next season, and that's where Radulovic would come in handy (in the same way Rhodes would). If we started the season with Healey, Ward, Radulovic and one other new striker - would take a big lump who might not score loads but could at least handle League 1 centre backs, then I think we'd have a decent balance. I'd agree. And my own preference is for a target man rather than the buzzy pest type of striker for two reasons: 1) We have a buzzy pest (in many senses). Kian Harratt might be in the last-chance saloon, but if we intend to hold on to him (provided he hasn't got himself in trouble again, as has been alluded to) he's that exact type of forward. Run channels, press, unsettle and turn defences, run in behind, be a general nuisance (hopefully to defences, not any legal teams). Obviously if he is in trouble again that doesn't hold, but assuming he isn't he does have the quality to be part of a strikeforce at this level and has something to prove. 2) A target man creates space for others. In holding up the ball they allow others to play off them and make running easier. Now I had noticed that Charlie Wyke had been released by Wigan. He was on loan at Rotherham at the back end of the season, and is a very experienced League One striker. If we were to go down this route, I can't think of many better at what Wyke does in League One than Charlie Wyke. I would imagine his release from Wigan is more down to money than ability, as he was starting regularly all the way up to his January move. |
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Post by nnnlove on May 16, 2024 10:43:25 GMT 1
Let's look at Hogg another way - if he'd been at Birmingham 10 years and was on the market, would we want to sign him? Highly doubt it and the midfield is the weakest area of our squad currently. So why would we re-sign him? It's time for a re-set, no room for sentiment. He's been a brilliant player for us, was a key part of the promotion team and deserved a proper send off with a standing ovation from the fans. But he's not what we need going forward, so let's move on and at least give him a great send off online and in the media. Or better still, a testimonial. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 16, 2024 10:52:46 GMT 1
I wouldn't offer a contract myself, but if we were to offer one I'd not be against it for those reasons. He can't play the high press, but he's the best pure goalscorer you'll see at that level. He gets a yard, he scores. Quite a lot - there's nobody currently active in English football who can better his 242 career goals. Even allowing for his recent slow-down and cameo-based roles, it's a ludicrous number of goals. Even at 34, he offers something significant to someone. That being said, we have Healey - who is definitely a poacher - and Radulovic - who has the hallmarks of Jordan Rhodes a few years ago even if we've only seen small glimpses. We need another option, another style of player. The rough, tough target man who doesn't necessarily score all that many but who creates space and roughs up defences, or a pest who harries and chases every lost cause - or both. That's why I'm willing to let us say our goodbyes to Rhodes and proceed with the Radulovic experiment. If we get our recruitment right, I would expect us to be much better at creating decent goalscoring chances next season, and that's where Radulovic would come in handy (in the same way Rhodes would). If we started the season with Healey, Ward, Radulovic and one other new striker - would take a big lump who might not score loads but could at least handle League 1 centre backs, then I think we'd have a decent balance. For me we need to give Bojan a good chance to prove himself. His composure on front of goal is, from the little we’ve seen, very impressive (sending Dias to the corner shop against City) and it’s a vital attribute. Yes he needs to improve his physicality quite a bit, but it’s far better to give him the opportunity to develop his potential here than go for a stop gap option in Rhodes. |
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Post by royrace on May 16, 2024 11:20:31 GMT 1
I just expect him to be able to pass to his teammates, but even that seems beyond him. I forget which game but it was at home where he broke from our half down the right and squared it to, I think it was Burgzorg, for an early goal. Good break and the right decision plus a good final pass. He can do it with the right coaching and better players around him. Like a lot of them he will hopefully benefit from better conditioning. They all looked slow and unfit, the Wagner team always looked fitter and stronger than the opposition and I think a lot of that was down to the way they were prepared and conditioned. Kasumu looked a good athlete when he first arrived and will hopefully benefit from some quality coaching. |
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Post by runner76 on May 16, 2024 11:32:26 GMT 1
when is the retained list published?
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Post by H6dds on May 16, 2024 11:45:12 GMT 1
when is the retained list published? have to be this week due to regulations (apparently). Would guess later today or tomorrow then |
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Post by hasta el pueblo on May 16, 2024 11:45:44 GMT 1
when is the retained list published? Saturday at the latest. |
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Post by duncfost01 on May 16, 2024 11:46:58 GMT 1
I would say today as duff is doing his presser.
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Post by paderbornterrier on May 16, 2024 11:47:34 GMT 1
Probably after the Duff presser, so he can mention he has met the players and made decisive decisions.
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Post by htfcterry on May 16, 2024 11:48:55 GMT 1
We signed Kasumu as an athletic holding midfielder with the ability to burst past the initial defensive line and hand it off to someone that can play. I expected him to be the successor to Hogg, not part of the same midfield. He's not a box to box midfielder or a wing back. He shouldn't be in the final third slicing shots high and wide or fluffing final balls - that's not his game. His athleticism (or his teammates' lack of it) has almost worked against him the last couple of seasons in terms of the roles he's been asked to play. I just expect him to be able to pass to his teammates, but even that seems beyond him. It was beyond the whole team last season tbf. Our passing and first touch over the past few years has been appalling. |
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Post by k1man999 on May 16, 2024 12:15:31 GMT 1
Rhodes shouldn't have been carted off last season without an adequate replacement. I do think he could have scored us a few goals especially in some of those draws under Moore. However would I try get him t sign on for this year, I probably would as can still do a job in lg 1, however can't see duff wanting him doesn't suit the high press style. With the benefit of hindsight we were daft to let him go out on loan. So many times last season we were starting matches without a recognised striker in the matchday squad. He was amongst the top scorers in league 1 before his injury mid season. But Town have got a lot of strikers still under contract and we probably could do with freeing up some of those wages due to reduced revenue etc now we're in league one. He won't be first choice at Town and if I was him I'd rather play every week at a Club like Blackpool or say Wigan than sit on Town's bench. Agree with points raised but it's not hindsight to know we needed him if no replacement was lined up first. as we were never going to have enough with ward, hudlin,harratt it was common sense not to let him go without a replacement through the door. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 13:03:25 GMT 1
when is the retained list published? After the press conference for sure I would think. |
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Post by specialun on May 16, 2024 13:27:52 GMT 1
Let's look at Hogg another way - if he'd been at Birmingham 10 years and was on the market, would we want to sign him? Highly doubt it and the midfield is the weakest area of our squad currently. So why would we re-sign him? It's time for a re-set, no room for sentiment. He's been a brilliant player for us, was a key part of the promotion team and deserved a proper send off with a standing ovation from the fans. But he's not what we need going forward, so let's move on and at least give him a great send off online and in the media. I ask for the fifth time Who are we replacing him with to give us better option? How many centre mids we have signed have been better than him in last 10 years aside Mooy? Nil responses to date Why are you confident that changes now or we don’t weaken the squad You say surely we should find the new Hogg - 100% agree not just now, 3 years ago. Failed. Why any different now? |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 16, 2024 13:34:47 GMT 1
Let's look at Hogg another way - if he'd been at Birmingham 10 years and was on the market, would we want to sign him? Highly doubt it and the midfield is the weakest area of our squad currently. So why would we re-sign him? It's time for a re-set, no room for sentiment. He's been a brilliant player for us, was a key part of the promotion team and deserved a proper send off with a standing ovation from the fans. But he's not what we need going forward, so let's move on and at least give him a great send off online and in the media. I ask for the fifth time Who are we replacing him with to give us better option? How many centre mids we have signed have been better than him in last 10 years aside Mooy? Nil responses to date Why are you confident that changes now or we don’t weaken the squad Have you asked me four times already? No. We're not having a conversation face to face so there's no need to get agitated. I don't know how to install a new radiator, but that won't stop me from relying on the professional whose job it is to replace it. If the plumber does a poor job on the replacement, that's a poor piece of installation rather than the wrong decision to install a new radiator. I'd suggest that one of Barnsley's centre midfielders (Connell, Kane) would be an improvement, and I'm sure there are literally dozens more out there that we should be able to get for a similar or lower wage now we're in League One. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 16, 2024 13:36:09 GMT 1
I think the one type of striker we are missing is a big, strong, old fashioned, physical CF & despite his age, I'd be taking a look at Matt Smith, who scored a goal every 2 games for Salford last season in a poor side. He made the League 2 team of the season but has left the club now, though he did say he might be looking at alternatives to playing. He wouldn't need to be playing 90 mins every game & I think, if we used him sparingly, he would be a very useful addition to Healey, Bojan, Ward & Harratt.
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Post by townarentbest on May 16, 2024 14:09:51 GMT 1
I forget which game but it was at home where he broke from our half down the right and squared it to, I think it was Burgzorg, for an early goal. Good break and the right decision plus a good final pass. He can do it with the right coaching and better players around him. Like a lot of them he will hopefully benefit from better conditioning. They all looked slow and unfit, the Wagner team always looked fitter and stronger than the opposition and I think a lot of that was down to the way they were prepared and conditioned. Kasumu looked a good athlete when he first arrived and will hopefully benefit from some quality coaching. A lot of that looking fitter was probably more to do with how we played than real heightened fitness. The systems were about protecting ball possession and getting it back as quickly as possible when lost...when you're dominating possession and passing it around, even if ineffectually, it all becomes very easy, you look like unbeatable superhumans and the opposition spend a lot of time chasing around. |
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Post by bullard on May 16, 2024 14:38:55 GMT 1
Heard Hogg’s got another year, JK & DW were told they could find another club.
LN leaving for personal reasons, JR/ ST fell out with AB but situation may well have changed now.
TL injury is believed to be pretty bad, so question marks around him.
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Post by kennyk2 on May 16, 2024 14:46:02 GMT 1
Heard Hogg’s got another year, JK & DW were told they could find another club. LN leaving for personal reasons, JR/ ST fell out with AB but situation may well have changed now. TL injury is believed to be pretty bad, so question marks around him. I'm still trying to work out the initials. JR... Jordan Rhodes or Josh Ruffels. |
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Post by Sio on May 16, 2024 14:50:04 GMT 1
Heard Hogg’s got another year, JK & DW were told they could find another club. LN leaving for personal reasons, JR/ ST fell out with AB but situation may well have changed now. TL injury is believed to be pretty bad, so question marks around him. I'm still trying to work out the initials. JR... Jordan Rhodes or Josh Ruffels. Jack Rudoni |
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Post by kennyk2 on May 16, 2024 14:50:40 GMT 1
I'm still trying to work out the initials. JR... Jordan Rhodes or Josh Ruffels. Jack Rudoni Too many JRs! |
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Post by Wingman on May 16, 2024 14:53:18 GMT 1
More shots in an episode of Dallas than at a Town game. |
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Post by runner76 on May 16, 2024 14:56:52 GMT 1
More shots in an episode of Dallas than at a Town game. ...at least the Dallas JR shot was always on target |
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Post by londoncowling on May 16, 2024 14:59:12 GMT 1
I wouldn't offer a contract myself, but if we were to offer one I'd not be against it for those reasons. He can't play the high press, but he's the best pure goalscorer you'll see at that level. He gets a yard, he scores. Quite a lot - there's nobody currently active in English football who can better his 242 career goals. Even allowing for his recent slow-down and cameo-based roles, it's a ludicrous number of goals. Even at 34, he offers something significant to someone. That being said, we have Healey - who is definitely a poacher - and Radulovic - who has the hallmarks of Jordan Rhodes a few years ago even if we've only seen small glimpses. We need another option, another style of player. The rough, tough target man who doesn't necessarily score all that many but who creates space and roughs up defences, or a pest who harries and chases every lost cause - or both. That's why I'm willing to let us say our goodbyes to Rhodes and proceed with the Radulovic experiment. If we get our recruitment right, I would expect us to be much better at creating decent goalscoring chances next season, and that's where Radulovic would come in handy (in the same way Rhodes would). If we started the season with Healey, Ward, Radulovic and one other new striker - would take a big lump who might not score loads but could at least handle League 1 centre backs, then I think we'd have a decent balance. Tyreece Simpson? |
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