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Post by Fish & Chips on May 17, 2024 12:15:45 GMT 1
Noooooooo We need to stop this idea of bringing back old players and managers. How many times do we have to do it and watch it fail. We must be the only whose fans are completely obsessed with bringing back ex players, ex managers and ex coaching staff. It's just bizarre. It's nostalgia, but also hope. Because we've been so poor for so long, we assume that anyone who had a spell of success with us can  their magic wand. Lightning very rarely strikes twice in the same place.
I wouldn't object to him coming back, but I wouldn't expect at all that he'd repeat his achievements, totally different players, set of circumstances, etc.
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Post by rubicon on May 17, 2024 12:17:40 GMT 1
Noooooooo We need to stop this idea of bringing back old players and managers. How many times do we have to do it and watch it fail. We must be the only whose fans are completely obsessed with bringing back ex players, ex managers and ex coaching staff. It's just bizarre. Been like that for decades. Just how many times did we have Tom Johnstone back? The only club he was interested in was Rangers, which is why he kept changing the shirts to all blue. ( Yes having said that he wasn't a disaster in the 60s, just couldn't get them over the finish line.) |
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Post by morrisraspass on May 17, 2024 12:27:16 GMT 1
I can't forget even after what he did for us, he walked away from the club. I can understand this despite him rightly being considered a legend. He and the club really played up on the 'no limits', 'terrier spirit' and 'never give up' mentality - yet he literally gave up the very first time that things got tough. and once he had given up and walked away - thats when the magic had really gone and that drudge to end of the season with no belief was a very miserable time. Harsh. Was he not essentially carrying the club for months as it became apparent Hoyle was pretty critically ill? I don't he walked "the very first time that things got tough". |
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Post by htafcokay on May 17, 2024 12:38:55 GMT 1
I can understand this despite him rightly being considered a legend. He and the club really played up on the 'no limits', 'terrier spirit' and 'never give up' mentality - yet he literally gave up the very first time that things got tough. and once he had given up and walked away - thats when the magic had really gone and that drudge to end of the season with no belief was a very miserable time. Harsh. Was he not essentially carrying the club for months as it became apparent Hoyle was pretty critically ill? I don't he walked "the very first time that things got tough". He would have done if Hoyle didn't keep giving him pay rises. What was it that Hoyle said? "He was like a man who goes out flirting with other women before going back home to his wife". |
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Post by Wingman on May 17, 2024 12:42:58 GMT 1
The odd occasion returning works out but in the main, it’s a rod for your own back as you’re trying to recreate magic and end up comparing the first and second phases. 9 times from 10 it just doesn’t work.
For me it’s best not to return, move forwards and let history be just that. Show appreciation but don’t sully the feelings that remain and respect held for those people.
Create new heroes and legends. What is exciting is that we still have those to come in our timeline.
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Post by mosher on May 17, 2024 12:50:11 GMT 1
The odd occasion returning works out but in the main, it’s a rod for your own back as you’re trying to recreate magic and end up comparing the first and second phases. 9 times from 10 it just doesn’t work. For me it’s best not to return, move forwards and let history be just that. Show appreciation but don’t sully the feelings that remain and respect held for those people. Create new heroes and legends. What is exciting is that we still have those to come in our timeline. Isn't there a saying along the lines of "every hero is only a hero for so long until they become a villain"? Probably completely misremembering the actual phrase but it's pretty relevant to this discussion I think. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 17, 2024 12:53:28 GMT 1
The odd occasion returning works out but in the main, it’s a rod for your own back as you’re trying to recreate magic and end up comparing the first and second phases. 9 times from 10 it just doesn’t work. For me it’s best not to return, move forwards and let history be just that. Show appreciation but don’t sully the feelings that remain and respect held for those people. Create new heroes and legends. What is exciting is that we still have those to come in our timeline. Funnily enough, we've had three managers come back for a second spell (and one third spell). Peter Jackson and Neil Warnock both had good second spells. Tom Johnston's return was particularly a success. Mick Buxton also returned, but not as manager (at least not officially or according to the man himself) and helped us achieve the greatest Great Escape in our history. However, I don't think Wagner would ever top what he did or get anywhere close to topping it, so it would be pointless bringing him back except for nostalgia. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 12:58:24 GMT 1
Noooooooo We need to stop this idea of bringing back old players and managers. How many times do we have to do it and watch it fail. We must be the only whose fans are completely obsessed with bringing back ex players, ex managers and ex coaching staff. It's just bizarre. I thought he was a bit special. He must have done a good job under Carlos, given how well we did, and seemed to have a good rapport with the players. It isn’t a catch all I just think he is a good coach. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 17, 2024 12:59:24 GMT 1
We must be the only whose fans are completely obsessed with bringing back ex players, ex managers and ex coaching staff. It's just bizarre. I thought he was a bit special. He must have done a good job under Carlos, given how well we did, and seemed to have a good rapport with the players. It isn’t a catch all I just think he is a good coach. I thought he was fucking hopeless when I was stood at Wigan away last season. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 17, 2024 13:05:42 GMT 1
Noooooooo We need to stop this idea of bringing back old players and managers. How many times do we have to do it and watch it fail. We must be the only whose fans are completely obsessed with bringing back ex players, ex managers and ex coaching staff. It's just bizarre. Do you really think we are the only ones? Are you monitoring 91 other boards to be able to say this with surety? I bet every fanbase is the same. Everyone hankering for the good old days. Stop being such a drama queen every time someone mentions anyone who's ever had a pint in town. And as for your "why don't we put in Chico/Lillis/Gerry Murphy" comments, in the words of The Smiths 'That Joke isn't Funny Anymore'. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 17, 2024 13:19:16 GMT 1
We must be the only whose fans are completely obsessed with bringing back ex players, ex managers and ex coaching staff. It's just bizarre. Do you really think we are the only ones? Are you monitoring 91 other boards to be able to say this with surety? I bet every fanbase is the same. Everyone hankering for the good old days. Stop being such a drama queen every time someone mentions anyone who's ever had a pint in town. And as for your "why don't we put in Chico/Lillis/Gerry Murphy" comments, in the words of The Smiths 'That Joke isn't Funny Anymore'. It wasn't even funny to begin with. Not that I care one jot what you think, but there you go. |
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Post by kennyk2 on May 17, 2024 13:26:40 GMT 1
I get the feeling that Wagner would have been sacked even if Norwich had got promoted.
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Post by Dan on May 17, 2024 13:35:42 GMT 1
I get the feeling that Wagner would have been sacked even if Norwich had got promoted. I think Leeds will do the same with Farke win or lose... |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on May 17, 2024 13:40:36 GMT 1
Do you really think we are the only ones? Are you monitoring 91 other boards to be able to say this with surety? I bet every fanbase is the same. Everyone hankering for the good old days. Stop being such a drama queen every time someone mentions anyone who's ever had a pint in town. And as for your "why don't we put in Chico/Lillis/Gerry Murphy" comments, in the words of The Smiths 'That Joke isn't Funny Anymore'. It wasn't even funny to begin with. Not that I care one jot what you think, but there you go. As for obsessed, your obsession with wanting Corberan to fail is the oddest of the lot. It feels like Rubery/Stewart. Did you find him in bed with your missus? |
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Post by htafcokay on May 17, 2024 13:45:30 GMT 1
It wasn't even funny to begin with. Not that I care one jot what you think, but there you go. As for obsessed, your obsession with wanting Corberan to fail is the oddest of the lot. It feels like Rubery/Stewart. Did you find him in bed with your missus? I can't abide the fella. Pretty straightforward, really. |
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Post by royrace on May 17, 2024 13:58:54 GMT 1
The odd occasion returning works out but in the main, it’s a rod for your own back as you’re trying to recreate magic and end up comparing the first and second phases. 9 times from 10 it just doesn’t work. For me it’s best not to return, move forwards and let history be just that. Show appreciation but don’t sully the feelings that remain and respect held for those people. Create new heroes and legends. What is exciting is that we still have those to come in our timeline. Not true to say nine times out of ten or doesn't work, in fact miles off. The opposite is nearer the case in fact. I'm not wanting anyone back btw in just saying it's way too simplistic to say you should never go back. |
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Post by paderbornterrier on May 17, 2024 14:02:10 GMT 1
Tough gig to finish 6th, probably around the level of their budget and still get bulletted.
I'd have him back in a heartbeat.... but he will get a championship level job not a problem..
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on May 17, 2024 15:00:07 GMT 1
We need a total reset, no Wagner, no Warnock etc.
Wagner did fantastically well for us and that can never be taken from him but he had a part to play in the slippery slope we fell down since by wanting to pay over the odds for utter garbage players the second prem season. As htafcokay has already said, had he taken another similar size club to town up that year and then gone on to do what he has since we wouldn’t have any desire/interest to bring him back at all, just pure nostalgia.
As some have said on here his revolutionary style has now been understood and copied time and again, I actually think Corberan is more suited to “todays” game and I wouldn’t want him back either.
We need a total fresh start and in Duff I think we may have that 🤞🤞
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 15:10:54 GMT 1
I thought he was a bit special. He must have done a good job under Carlos, given how well we did, and seemed to have a good rapport with the players. It isn’t a catch all I just think he is a good coach. I thought he was fucking hopeless when I was stood at Wigan away last season. Seeing the bigger picture is obviously one of your strengths 🙂 |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 17, 2024 15:16:30 GMT 1
I get the feeling that Wagner would have been sacked even if Norwich had got promoted. I think Leeds will do the same with Farke win or lose... Modern football in a nutshell. Potentially hit the target you were signed to hit, get binned off at the first opportunity. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 17, 2024 15:24:41 GMT 1
I thought he was fucking hopeless when I was stood at Wigan away last season. Seeing the bigger picture is obviously one of your strengths 🙂 I tend not to take things too seriously. Something that is clearly lost on most on here. |
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Post by mosher on May 17, 2024 15:26:19 GMT 1
Seeing the bigger picture is obviously one of your strengths 🙂 I tend not to take things too seriously. Something that is clearly lost on most on here. That's the problem with t'interweb. It's virtually impossible to tell if someone's joking or being serious. Which is why my posts tend to be littered with those fecking stupid emoji bollocks |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2024 15:28:51 GMT 1
I tend not to take things too seriously. Something that is clearly lost on most on here. That's the problem with t'interweb. It's virtually impossible to tell if someone's joking or being serious. Which is why my posts tend to be littered with those fecking stupid emoji bollocks I haven’t seen the bollocks emoji. Is that one only on Android devices? |
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Post by shawsie on May 17, 2024 15:52:03 GMT 1
Totally agree with most....would have had him back but only because we appointed such drivel ever since. Time to move on though now.
Akways fondly remembered and rightly so......his no limits mantra sadly got replaced by the plucky underdog/small town mentality which now sees us back in league 1. A waste sadly.
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Post by 2fiatlux on May 17, 2024 16:01:57 GMT 1
We need a total reset, no Wagner, no Warnock etc. Wagner did fantastically well for us and that can never be taken from him but he had a part to play in the slippery slope we fell down since buy wanting to pay over the odds for utter garbage players the second prem season. As htafcokay has already said, had he taken another similar size club to town up that year and then gone on to do what he has since we wouldn’t have any desire/interest to bring him back at all, just pure nostalgia. As some have said on here his revolutionary style has now been understood and copied time and again, I actually think Corberan is more suited to “todays” game and I wouldn’t want him back either. We need a total fresh start and in Duff I think we may have that 🤞🤞 |
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Post by 2fiatlux on May 17, 2024 16:03:58 GMT 1
Andy Hughes would a good reason to look back.
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 17, 2024 16:04:48 GMT 1
Not that surprising is it. Writing was on the wall when Webber left. AB might end up there. Good cv and all that.
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 17, 2024 16:04:55 GMT 1
Andy Hughes would a good reason to look back. why exactly? |
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Post by impact on May 17, 2024 16:24:48 GMT 1
Norwich spent 3m on players this year. With the spending power of 3 of the top 4 finishing top 6 would always be a good achievement.
They seem a bit deluded about the strength of their squad. Ashley Barnes and Shane Duffy should not be key players for a promotion challenging side.
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Post by nicovaesen on May 17, 2024 17:04:15 GMT 1
The odd occasion returning works out but in the main, it’s a rod for your own back as you’re trying to recreate magic and end up comparing the first and second phases. 9 times from 10 it just doesn’t work. For me it’s best not to return, move forwards and let history be just that. Show appreciation but don’t sully the feelings that remain and respect held for those people. Create new heroes and legends. What is exciting is that we still have those to come in our timeline. Isn't there a saying along the lines of "every hero is only a hero for so long until they become a villain"? Probably completely misremembering the actual phrase but it's pretty relevant to this discussion I think. It’s from the dark knight “you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain!” |
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