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Post by Fish & Chips on May 22, 2024 15:45:31 GMT 1
Working from home allows me to work for a London-based company with a hub in Manchester. My two interviews were on Teams and the first time I met my boss in person was on my first day. I go in once a week, and the rest of the time I work from home. I have regular meetings with my colleagues, sometimes at the drop of a hat. Everyone is accessible and in my opinion, the normalisation of home working is one of the good things to come out of COVID. It's the way of the world now. I’m sure it works for you, it works for most people. Depending upon your line of work and sector, at some point the bosses and shareholders of your London company may look to increase their earnings and share price by cutting costs. If any mostly remote jobs can be done remotely but much cheaper overseas, they’ll look at it closely. One interesting example, not the usual IT and administrative outsourcing to India, but some take away and sit down restaurants in the US have got rid of counter staff, instead having a live video link over Zoom to a person in the Philippines taking their order. They pay that person a tenth of hiring a local body. It’s taken off since minimum wages in New York and California shot up. Lots of examples out there. It’s not going to impact all jobs, but many jobs are dead certs for remote working and AI. If people keep telling their bosses that they don’t need to be in the office, they’ll risk being redundant before they know it. |
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Post by Lovechops on May 22, 2024 16:30:30 GMT 1
I wonder whether Kev lets them work from home. I have to say since COVID I think id struggle to concentrate in an open plan office like that. Great to see improvements though and that staff haven't been cut following relegation. Hope it all comes together next season for us. WFH doesn’t work where a high team effort is required. They all need to be in the building together as a team, rubbing off each other. Rubbish I do hybrid working and team moral is high and output even higher! Taking the work abroad wouldn’t work as we all know the quality is not the greatest , pay peanuts and that’s what you get ! |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2024 17:18:43 GMT 1
I wonder what percentage of the workforce have jobs where you can't work from home?
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 22, 2024 20:57:34 GMT 1
WFH doesn’t work where a high team effort is required. They all need to be in the building together as a team, rubbing off each other. Rubbish I do hybrid working and team moral is high and output even higher! Taking the work abroad wouldn’t work as we all know the quality is not the greatest , pay peanuts and that’s what you get ! It's not rubbish at all, it's already happening.
And you're not working from home all the time, so it's not the equivalent of some people saying they can work from home apart from popping into the office for a team meeting once a month.
Imagine paying say, an IT person based in the UK but working from home, £5,000 per month. They come into the office once a month.
The boss finds an equivalent IT worker somewhere in Eastern Europe, or India, for example. Salary could be just £1000 to 1500. Fly them into the office once a month, hotel for a night or two, say £500 total for that. That's 1500-2000 total cost. Not only that, but your boss doesn't need to pay NI contributions, saves even more.
They're saving perhaps £36,000 a year on outsourcing this job. These are just quick numbers for illustration purposes.
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Post by Lovechops on May 22, 2024 22:05:58 GMT 1
Rubbish I do hybrid working and team moral is high and output even higher! Taking the work abroad wouldn’t work as we all know the quality is not the greatest , pay peanuts and that’s what you get ! It's not rubbish at all, it's already happening.
And you're not working from home all the time, so it's not the equivalent of some people saying they can work from home apart from popping into the office for a team meeting once a month.
Imagine paying say, an IT person based in the UK but working from home, £5,000 per month. They come into the office once a month.
The boss finds an equivalent IT worker somewhere in Eastern Europe, or India, for example. Salary could be just £1000 to 1500. Fly them into the office once a month, hotel for a night or two, say £500 total for that. That's 1500-2000 total cost. Not only that, but your boss doesn't need to pay NI contributions, saves even more.
They're saving perhaps £36,000 a year on outsourcing this job. These are just quick numbers for illustration purposes.
People working in non Uk countries for Uk businesses doesn’t work hence why the majority of call centres etc have moved back to the Uk . Privacy restrictions etc aren’t the same in some countries and this has ended up in companies having data breaches and lose millions due to this . Not as straightforward as you have made it out to be. |
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Post by dooky82 on May 22, 2024 23:40:34 GMT 1
Rubbish I do hybrid working and team moral is high and output even higher! Taking the work abroad wouldn’t work as we all know the quality is not the greatest , pay peanuts and that’s what you get ! It's not rubbish at all, it's already happening.
And you're not working from home all the time, so it's not the equivalent of some people saying they can work from home apart from popping into the office for a team meeting once a month.
Imagine paying say, an IT person based in the UK but working from home, £5,000 per month. They come into the office once a month.
The boss finds an equivalent IT worker somewhere in Eastern Europe, or India, for example. Salary could be just £1000 to 1500. Fly them into the office once a month, hotel for a night or two, say £500 total for that. That's 1500-2000 total cost. Not only that, but your boss doesn't need to pay NI contributions, saves even more.
They're saving perhaps £36,000 a year on outsourcing this job. These are just quick numbers for illustration purposes.
The reason why many bosses want staff back in the office is so they can keep an eye on them. Imo if that's the case, they need to improve their recruitment and management methods. |
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Post by midge on May 23, 2024 2:00:22 GMT 1
It's not rubbish at all, it's already happening. And you're not working from home all the time, so it's not the equivalent of some people saying they can work from home apart from popping into the office for a team meeting once a month. Imagine paying say, an IT person based in the UK but working from home, £5,000 per month. They come into the office once a month.
The boss finds an equivalent IT worker somewhere in Eastern Europe, or India, for example. Salary could be just £1000 to 1500. Fly them into the office once a month, hotel for a night or two, say £500 total for that. That's 1500-2000 total cost. Not only that, but your boss doesn't need to pay NI contributions, saves even more. They're saving perhaps £36,000 a year on outsourcing this job. These are just quick numbers for illustration purposes.
The reason why many bosses want staff back in the office is so they can keep an eye on them. Imo if that's the case, they need to improve their recruitment and management methods. Did you run a business employing people through Covid!? |
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 23, 2024 8:37:14 GMT 1
It's not rubbish at all, it's already happening.
And you're not working from home all the time, so it's not the equivalent of some people saying they can work from home apart from popping into the office for a team meeting once a month.
Imagine paying say, an IT person based in the UK but working from home, £5,000 per month. They come into the office once a month.
The boss finds an equivalent IT worker somewhere in Eastern Europe, or India, for example. Salary could be just £1000 to 1500. Fly them into the office once a month, hotel for a night or two, say £500 total for that. That's 1500-2000 total cost. Not only that, but your boss doesn't need to pay NI contributions, saves even more.
They're saving perhaps £36,000 a year on outsourcing this job. These are just quick numbers for illustration purposes.
People working in non Uk countries for Uk businesses doesn’t work hence why the majority of call centres etc have moved back to the Uk . Privacy restrictions etc aren’t the same in some countries and this has ended up in companies having data breaches and lose millions due to this. Not as straightforward as you have made it out to be. “People working in non Uk countries for Uk businesses doesn’t work” You have made a blanket statement which factually wrong. You’re referring to a very specific, small segment of work outsourced overseas and then making a general assumption about it. EU countries are bound by data protection laws the same as the UK. Many Europeans speak better English than the English. Easyjet have done a very good job in outsourcing their call centres to English speaking South Africa. However, I’m not referring specifically to call centres in my examples, I’m pointing out examples relating to Finance, IT development and support, administration… My main point is simple: don’t get complacent, watch your back, don’t DEMAND to work from home. Hybrid working can be very successful, I’m not saying those jobs are necessarily at risk, it’s more about situations where people demand to work at home almost exclusively, or refuse to come back to the office now post-COVID, they’re treading on thin ice. |
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Post by dooky82 on May 23, 2024 9:20:52 GMT 1
The reason why many bosses want staff back in the office is so they can keep an eye on them. Imo if that's the case, they need to improve their recruitment and management methods. Did you run a business employing people through Covid!? No, but I am interested in hearing how this is relevant. |
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Post by goodbet on May 23, 2024 11:20:22 GMT 1
It's not rubbish at all, it's already happening. And you're not working from home all the time, so it's not the equivalent of some people saying they can work from home apart from popping into the office for a team meeting once a month. Imagine paying say, an IT person based in the UK but working from home, £5,000 per month. They come into the office once a month.
The boss finds an equivalent IT worker somewhere in Eastern Europe, or India, for example. Salary could be just £1000 to 1500. Fly them into the office once a month, hotel for a night or two, say £500 total for that. That's 1500-2000 total cost. Not only that, but your boss doesn't need to pay NI contributions, saves even more. They're saving perhaps £36,000 a year on outsourcing this job. These are just quick numbers for illustration purposes.
People working in non Uk countries for Uk businesses doesn’t work hence why the majority of call centres etc have moved back to the Uk . Privacy restrictions etc aren’t the same in some countries and this has ended up in companies having data breaches and lose millions due to this . Not as straightforward as you have made it out to be. I think you will find that the majority of call centres are still located abroad. I used to work for a US business that has closed all UK production down and slowly moving all software development to India. less than half of the software development/support team is in left in the UK. |
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Post by Big Ern on May 23, 2024 11:46:56 GMT 1
I think this has turned into the most boring thread since the inception of DATM. Kudos
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Post by rockwall on May 23, 2024 12:35:24 GMT 1
I think this has turned into the most boring thread since the inception of DATM. Kudos Did you type this from home or work? |
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Post by Big Ern on May 23, 2024 13:01:24 GMT 1
I think this has turned into the most boring thread since the inception of DATM. Kudos Did you type this from home or work? Both! |
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Post by htafcdreams on May 23, 2024 14:18:46 GMT 1
Are we back to picking the colour and fabric of the deckchairs on the titanic again.
We seemed to do this last summer discussing Netflix documentary, shirt manufacturer, Sac Town vs Town friendly, Up the Town Fake Taxi tribute documentary etc which the fans really enjoyed.
Do we need to fill the holes in the boat before we set sail in League 1 ?
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Post by incognito on May 24, 2024 10:24:28 GMT 1
Looks pretty nice . Can't wait to see what they do with the old gym downstairs when its turned into the new supporters bar. Open for next season hopefully Is this in the offing? I have to admit, it's completely passed me by if so! |
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Post by dalesterrier on Jun 7, 2024 18:11:03 GMT 1
Further investment.... guessing by KN
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 7, 2024 18:12:53 GMT 1
Further investment.... guessing by KN It's one of the best looking stadiums IMO when it is all tarted up. The blue and white seats made such a difference too from the nasty faded red ones |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Jun 7, 2024 18:23:51 GMT 1
I remember a few years a go, i was on the train approaching Huddersfield when i women said to her friend sat behind me, "what is that strange looking bridge over there" and her friend didn't have a clue just has the guard announced over the tanoy system that we are now approaching Huddersfield, some people!!.
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Jun 7, 2024 18:39:39 GMT 1
Further investment.... guessing by KN About time the roof trusses were cleaned, they've looked a mess for years. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jun 7, 2024 18:47:04 GMT 1
I think it's shit that KN has to take the burden when he doesn't even own the stadium. You can bet that Kirklees council won't have contributed towards it.
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Post by leroy212 on Jun 7, 2024 18:48:33 GMT 1
Further investment.... guessing by KN About time the roof trusses were cleaned, they've looked a mess for years. Totally agree and and easyish fix with a powerwash |
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Post by leroy212 on Jun 7, 2024 18:50:15 GMT 1
I think it's shit that KN has to take the burden when he doesn't even own the stadium. You can bet that Kirklees council won't have contributed towards it. I don't understand why they just don't get shut of the 40% they own. They don't contribute to any upkeep I believe nagle said at some point. |
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Post by ldotm on Jun 7, 2024 18:51:11 GMT 1
I remember a few years a go, i was on the train approaching Huddersfield when i women said to her friend sat behind me, "what is that strange looking bridge over there" and her friend didn't have a clue just has the guard announced over the tanoy system that we are now approaching Huddersfield, some people!!. Fair play to living up to your username |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 7, 2024 18:53:15 GMT 1
I think it's shit that KN has to take the burden when he doesn't even own the stadium. You can bet that Kirklees council won't have contributed towards it. Has Ken Davy contributed? |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 7, 2024 18:54:08 GMT 1
I think it's shit that KN has to take the burden when he doesn't even own the stadium. You can bet that Kirklees council won't have contributed towards it. I don't understand why they just don't get shut of the 40% they own. They don't contribute to any upkeep I believe nagle said at some point. I'm sure they'd be happy to offload it if Nagle pays them for it. If he wants the stadium, he needs to pay for it. |
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Post by Tiro on Jun 7, 2024 19:13:32 GMT 1
It's not rubbish at all, it's already happening. And you're not working from home all the time, so it's not the equivalent of some people saying they can work from home apart from popping into the office for a team meeting once a month. Imagine paying say, an IT person based in the UK but working from home, £5,000 per month. They come into the office once a month.
The boss finds an equivalent IT worker somewhere in Eastern Europe, or India, for example. Salary could be just £1000 to 1500. Fly them into the office once a month, hotel for a night or two, say £500 total for that. That's 1500-2000 total cost. Not only that, but your boss doesn't need to pay NI contributions, saves even more. They're saving perhaps £36,000 a year on outsourcing this job. These are just quick numbers for illustration purposes.
The reason why many bosses want staff back in the office is so they can keep an eye on them. Imo if that's the case, they need to improve their recruitment and management methods. Nonsense. The biggest reason is they're tied into, and paying, large rents on places they no longer need. Studies have shown productivity to be as high, and in some instances, higher than pre-covid. With sick days and lateness also hugely reduced. |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 7, 2024 19:17:21 GMT 1
The reason why many bosses want staff back in the office is so they can keep an eye on them. Imo if that's the case, they need to improve their recruitment and management methods. Nonsense. The biggest reason is they're tied into, and paying, large rents on places they no longer need. Studies have shown productivity to be as high, and in some instances, higher than pre-covid. With sick days and lateness also hugely reduced. I believe that it has more to do with control and seeing what is getting done. |
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Post by Tiro on Jun 7, 2024 19:21:52 GMT 1
Nonsense. The biggest reason is they're tied into, and paying, large rents on places they no longer need. Studies have shown productivity to be as high, and in some instances, higher than pre-covid. With sick days and lateness also hugely reduced. I believe that it has more to do with control and seeing what is getting done. Why? I manage a team over five diff locations globally - all of whom work remotely. Never had an issue with the output and can’t feasibly be in the same time-zone and location There are many simple ways in which output can be controlled; either through targets or quality checks - they either meet the levels or they don’t, irregardless of where they sit. If trust is an issue, maybe it’s more to do with the role and motivation. If businesses let go of the traditional ways of thinking, efficiency, morale and the bottom line can all be increased. |
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Post by leroy212 on Jun 7, 2024 19:31:08 GMT 1
I don't understand why they just don't get shut of the 40% they own. They don't contribute to any upkeep I believe nagle said at some point. I'm sure they'd be happy to offload it if Nagle pays them for it. If he wants the stadium, he needs to pay for it. He seems more than willing to pay. If they are happy to sell it I'm sure nagle would have bought the 40% already |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 7, 2024 19:52:40 GMT 1
I'm sure they'd be happy to offload it if Nagle pays them for it. If he wants the stadium, he needs to pay for it. He seems more than willing to pay. If they are happy to sell it I'm sure nagle would have bought the 40% already Well if that's the case, he'll buy it won't he. |
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